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Hi,
I've seen the stunning work you're doing with regard to the overviews of the dogs. The table looks great and certainly most of the breeds could do with it, it's a good summary of the dog, well done :o)
That said, I don't think there should be the Guard-dog, learning rate, activity levels and temperament sections...at least not in the format they exist currently.
Temperament is as different from dog to dog as in humans and using words like cheerful etc seem like POV as does the guard-dog ability (that could depend on the temperament of the dog). Learning ability mainly is down to the patience of the owner (though they're very stubborn I've known Bulldogs perform in agility, which means their learning ability is quite high, it's their temperament that means they choose not to learn, or listen). Generalities are fine, to a certain extent, but best avoided in an overview I think.
Let me know what you think, and well done fotr the basis of a sterling piece of work :o) Drivenapart ( talk) 09:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am in complete agreement with you. Dogs are individuals, and the breed characteristics are generalizations. I've been mulling over how to get that across even while writing those overviews.
That being said, people need to know what they are getting into with a dog. The dog pounds are often full of Labs because people do not realize just how hyper the field line of Labs are. People want a beautiful Siberian Husky, but don't realize how destructive and independent they are. So the overview presents them with some stark information they need to know when getting a dog. People seem to ignore the full text, even when they read it! I actually believe they spend more time looking at the photos!
One problem here is presentation. The overview is too simplified. For example, the English Bulldog is mellow and friendly -- not the classic guard dog like a Rottie or Dobie or GSD. But the Bulldog's appearance has a deterrent effect, so the Bulldog is often classified as a guard dog. How do I manage to explain _that_ in a little box that is designed to say "high" or "low"? Well, I could try.
I am thinking of including my sources in a footnote. Is that possible? Also, I could add a blurb from the AKC description of the breed, which is in some respects a formal guideline for how the breed _should_ behave. Any ideas?
cheers, Shawnregan
I also have a suggestion about the two dog infobox and the overview box: lets combine them. The French Wikipedia uses a box that includes just about all the information which appears in the two boxes here. I think it would be easy to import it and use it.
Best, Awsguy1 ( talk) 20:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Shawnregan (though I think Quick Facts is a better title than Overview, as the info is IMO too sparse/bulleted to be an Overview). Almost every "breed in a nutshell" offering includes activity, intelligence/trainabilty, personality/temperament, guard/working ability or breed purpose - as well as often grooming needs and colors. Of course some of these will vary by individual dog, but the point is a general description of the breed, and these characteristics are in most cases clearly stated either in the breed standard or in national breed parent club publications. People who want a 'snapshot' of a particular dog breed are going to care more about how much exercise they typically need and what their temperament is than in how many puppies they usually have in a litter. (In my breed that varies from 1 to 14, so the ~6 that is used is really just POV as well.) Put a disclaimer, if you must, that "Quick Facts are based on breed standards; individual dogs may vary in these traits" or something along those lines.
Drivenapart (I think) wrote, "While I see what you're saying about giving people info with regards to dogs so they know what they're getting into, sadly Wiki isn't the right place for that." In that case, why have a Quick Facts/Overview box at all? Just have the article - which covers all of the Quick Facts item except maybe litter size (which could be easily incorporated) and leave it at that.
It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from an article. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -- Ixfd64 ( talk) 22:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I have rolled back your recent edits (except that which adjusted the tablewidth) due to the Physique table interfering horizontally with the vertical infobox in my browser (Firefox), and no doubt doing the same in many others. There is no point in adding information to an article if you can't read it properly. This is the second time I have made this adjustment, for the same reason. Please discuss on the talk page for the article. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 00:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone is reverting to my older edits!!!! Flattered as I am, I spent a whole Saturday moving the "Overview" over to the "Description"!! I am going crazy!! -- Shawnregan
Hi, the recent edit you made to Yorkshire Terrier has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Tuvok T @ lk/ Improve 01:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
-- JForget 02:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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02:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thank you for your help with the Olde English Bulldogge page. I'm the President of the OEBKC and have been trying to figure out how to format the page so it is consistent with the other dog pages so you're a blessing. I'm not very good with Wiki editing but I'm SLOWLY working on it. Thanks for getting the page squared away(my table was awful!), it looks great. On a side note or FYI, the OEB is catergorized as a "Working Dog" simply because it's supposed to be PHYSICALLY able to work and play without physical inadequacy or more specifically, possess the atheltic abilty of its bull-baiting ancestors. The guy that developed the breed isn't the sharpest knife in the draw and will agree with ANYONE that fawns over him. Personal Protection people think he's some guru until they get to know him. Unfortunately, many people (I have several names for these people but it would be inappropriate here) assume the categories "Working Dog" and "Guard Dog" automatically qualifies a dog for personal protection training. Not sure we'll ever be able to do anything about that. Anyways, I agree with you on temperament and drive, each dog is different for several reasons, but in general, the OEB should be proportioned and athletic there by preventing it from ever becoming the English Bulldog. I still don't understand these people that think that just because a breed is listed under a certain category that ALL dogs within that breed are capable of the same type of work. I suppose it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Thanks again for your hard work Shawn. Don Pelon ( talk) 21:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
I'm not sure if you knew that your templates on the appearance sections in dog articles are being discussed by members of WikiProject Dogs and there is the possibility that the templates may be removed. There isn't a lot of consensus, but it seems many want to integrate "appearance" information into the pre-existing {{ Infobox Dogbreed}} template and remove your templates. The discussion may be found here. I just thought you might want to know. Regards -- Pharaoh Hound (talk) (The Game) 12:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Labrador Retriever is up at peer review, please see Wikipedia:Peer review/Labrador Retriever/archive1. Cirt ( talk) 06:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome!
Hello, Shawnregan, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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18:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to
Akita Inu, did not appear to be constructive and has been
reverted or removed. Please use
the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the
welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.
Oda Mari (
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09:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I've seen the stunning work you're doing with regard to the overviews of the dogs. The table looks great and certainly most of the breeds could do with it, it's a good summary of the dog, well done :o)
That said, I don't think there should be the Guard-dog, learning rate, activity levels and temperament sections...at least not in the format they exist currently.
Temperament is as different from dog to dog as in humans and using words like cheerful etc seem like POV as does the guard-dog ability (that could depend on the temperament of the dog). Learning ability mainly is down to the patience of the owner (though they're very stubborn I've known Bulldogs perform in agility, which means their learning ability is quite high, it's their temperament that means they choose not to learn, or listen). Generalities are fine, to a certain extent, but best avoided in an overview I think.
Let me know what you think, and well done fotr the basis of a sterling piece of work :o) Drivenapart ( talk) 09:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am in complete agreement with you. Dogs are individuals, and the breed characteristics are generalizations. I've been mulling over how to get that across even while writing those overviews.
That being said, people need to know what they are getting into with a dog. The dog pounds are often full of Labs because people do not realize just how hyper the field line of Labs are. People want a beautiful Siberian Husky, but don't realize how destructive and independent they are. So the overview presents them with some stark information they need to know when getting a dog. People seem to ignore the full text, even when they read it! I actually believe they spend more time looking at the photos!
One problem here is presentation. The overview is too simplified. For example, the English Bulldog is mellow and friendly -- not the classic guard dog like a Rottie or Dobie or GSD. But the Bulldog's appearance has a deterrent effect, so the Bulldog is often classified as a guard dog. How do I manage to explain _that_ in a little box that is designed to say "high" or "low"? Well, I could try.
I am thinking of including my sources in a footnote. Is that possible? Also, I could add a blurb from the AKC description of the breed, which is in some respects a formal guideline for how the breed _should_ behave. Any ideas?
cheers, Shawnregan
I also have a suggestion about the two dog infobox and the overview box: lets combine them. The French Wikipedia uses a box that includes just about all the information which appears in the two boxes here. I think it would be easy to import it and use it.
Best, Awsguy1 ( talk) 20:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Shawnregan (though I think Quick Facts is a better title than Overview, as the info is IMO too sparse/bulleted to be an Overview). Almost every "breed in a nutshell" offering includes activity, intelligence/trainabilty, personality/temperament, guard/working ability or breed purpose - as well as often grooming needs and colors. Of course some of these will vary by individual dog, but the point is a general description of the breed, and these characteristics are in most cases clearly stated either in the breed standard or in national breed parent club publications. People who want a 'snapshot' of a particular dog breed are going to care more about how much exercise they typically need and what their temperament is than in how many puppies they usually have in a litter. (In my breed that varies from 1 to 14, so the ~6 that is used is really just POV as well.) Put a disclaimer, if you must, that "Quick Facts are based on breed standards; individual dogs may vary in these traits" or something along those lines.
Drivenapart (I think) wrote, "While I see what you're saying about giving people info with regards to dogs so they know what they're getting into, sadly Wiki isn't the right place for that." In that case, why have a Quick Facts/Overview box at all? Just have the article - which covers all of the Quick Facts item except maybe litter size (which could be easily incorporated) and leave it at that.
It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from an article. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -- Ixfd64 ( talk) 22:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I have rolled back your recent edits (except that which adjusted the tablewidth) due to the Physique table interfering horizontally with the vertical infobox in my browser (Firefox), and no doubt doing the same in many others. There is no point in adding information to an article if you can't read it properly. This is the second time I have made this adjustment, for the same reason. Please discuss on the talk page for the article. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 00:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone is reverting to my older edits!!!! Flattered as I am, I spent a whole Saturday moving the "Overview" over to the "Description"!! I am going crazy!! -- Shawnregan
Hi, the recent edit you made to Yorkshire Terrier has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Tuvok T @ lk/ Improve 01:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
-- JForget 02:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
While editing an article there is a rectangular space called edit summary where you can explain what you did in that particular edit. It is recommended to provide an edit summary when making major edits like you did at
Labrador Retriever. Removing content without providing an explanation to it (by edit summary and/or on the talk page) may be perceived as vandalism--
JForget
02:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thank you for your help with the Olde English Bulldogge page. I'm the President of the OEBKC and have been trying to figure out how to format the page so it is consistent with the other dog pages so you're a blessing. I'm not very good with Wiki editing but I'm SLOWLY working on it. Thanks for getting the page squared away(my table was awful!), it looks great. On a side note or FYI, the OEB is catergorized as a "Working Dog" simply because it's supposed to be PHYSICALLY able to work and play without physical inadequacy or more specifically, possess the atheltic abilty of its bull-baiting ancestors. The guy that developed the breed isn't the sharpest knife in the draw and will agree with ANYONE that fawns over him. Personal Protection people think he's some guru until they get to know him. Unfortunately, many people (I have several names for these people but it would be inappropriate here) assume the categories "Working Dog" and "Guard Dog" automatically qualifies a dog for personal protection training. Not sure we'll ever be able to do anything about that. Anyways, I agree with you on temperament and drive, each dog is different for several reasons, but in general, the OEB should be proportioned and athletic there by preventing it from ever becoming the English Bulldog. I still don't understand these people that think that just because a breed is listed under a certain category that ALL dogs within that breed are capable of the same type of work. I suppose it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Thanks again for your hard work Shawn. Don Pelon ( talk) 21:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
I'm not sure if you knew that your templates on the appearance sections in dog articles are being discussed by members of WikiProject Dogs and there is the possibility that the templates may be removed. There isn't a lot of consensus, but it seems many want to integrate "appearance" information into the pre-existing {{ Infobox Dogbreed}} template and remove your templates. The discussion may be found here. I just thought you might want to know. Regards -- Pharaoh Hound (talk) (The Game) 12:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Labrador Retriever is up at peer review, please see Wikipedia:Peer review/Labrador Retriever/archive1. Cirt ( talk) 06:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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