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I was reverting the edits of User:Sindicate, a banned editor. Regarding the comparison between "Quisling" and "Benedict Arnold", that sounds like original research to me. Do you have a source for that? Jayjg (talk) 17:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Gee, if you removed my comparison by mistake why don't you just say so. We all make mistakes, but defending an error is to err again (and a much worse error in my opinion).
Do you really need a source just for pointing out a synonym? With such strict standards wiki would be stuffed to the gunwhales with links and source references. Just read the Benedict Arnold article and the Quilding article.
It is not original research. I found it in a dictionary. I'll see if I can find out which one.
Sensemaker
I got rid of the comparison because I didn't think it added anything to the article, as above. It seemed somewhat OR to me, and also rather Americocentric in an article about a European politician. I hope that makes sense. -- Guinnog 15:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The translation I'm referring to is yours- I condensed it down, because in the end, all you're saying is that he is praising the aesthetics (it does a great job of depicting medieval warfare). By putting the whole thing like you have, you are putting far too much emphasis on his review. Very short summaries of reviews are preferable, otherwise the criticism section gets too long- note that websites that review games (such as IGN and Gamespot) only got a sentence each. Mr. Englund shouldn't get significantly more than that. Cheers -- DarthBinky 13:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Please stop policing the Medieval 2 article by reflex-reverting me. You can't fall back on previous discussion as though anything following it is a breech of consensus. I made a very detailed motivation for my edits over two weeks ago, and you appear not to have read it. I also tweaked the prose and the the citation, which in no way interferes with what previous discussions have been about, yet you reverted these improvements with no reasonable motivation.
Peter Isotalo 08:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Your opinion has been answered on the discussion page. -Sensemaker
The aesthetics thing I based on your initial paragraph. You have since clarified that the emphasis was on the genre, not on the game's aesthetics. The article now reflects that.
We've already been over that, and we've already come to a consensus with which we're both reasonably happy. There is no point in continuing that argument because you are not convincing me, and, judging by the extreme length of that conversation, I am not convincing you. So let's stay with what we know works and leave it at that.
And no, I completely disagree with your final assertion. We should not assume that someone knows something or doesn't know something based on where they live, nor is it relevant to the article. Unless someone tells you what they know or don't know, you cannot possibly know that, and it's wrong to assume you do. While odds are, someone from China wouldn't know about the Battle of Little Bighorn, you never know when you're going to run into someone who DOES know about it- especially so in a place like this! -- DarthBinky 16:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
you claim to be a utilitarian, so let me put you in the following situation: you have Anne Frank and her family stashed away in your attic, and the Nazis (assuming you live in occupied Europe) come to your door and ask if there are any jews there. what do you do? If you are utilitarianistic you would tell the Nazis where Anne is hiding because by giving up the jews you save the life of you and your family, whereas saying u dont have any jews hiding in your attic will not only put Anne Frank in the concentration camps, but your family as well.
there is no way you can claim that killing Guderian and Kluge would shorten the war, as you are assuming they would have been replaced by worse commanders, I however beg to differ. They were "yes men", especially Kluge, they allowed Corporal Hitler to think he was a great commander, and thus helped shorten the war. All of your claims are pure conjecture, there is no way you can tie Guderian's death to a quicker peace
you said: To give another example, if I could travel back in time I would kill Hitler and Stalin as infants, or even better, made sure they never existed at all. again pure conjecture, how do you know a more evil man then Stalin (i know it would be hard to top his 100 million murders) would not have taken over the USSR. or how do you know that there wouldnt have been another Hitler, the man does not necessarily make his own fortune, Germany was ready for a radical leader after the rape of Versailles, if not Hitler then someone else, Hitler was in the right place at the right time to exploit the situation, how do u know someone else wouldn't have done so with more disastrous result.
-- Jadger 00:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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Excellent, an opt out option was all I was asking for. A sensible but persistant appeal to a gentleman's sense of decency and reciprocity almost always succeeds. I am glad it did so in this case too. I have done a simple test and it seems to have worked. Thank you. -Sensemaker
I've noticed that several times at [Talk:Medieval II: Total War: Kingdoms]], you have removed Sinebot's automatic signature, saying that you had already signed the page. You included your name, but you didn't exactly sign your post. To sign your post, put four tildes (as in ~~~~) after your post. Imperator3733 20:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Imperator 3733, but I strongly prefer to sign my posts myself. -Sensemaker
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It's not our place as editors to place reminders on the page. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 09:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Not really strict, no. Plus, what you're trying to say ("Things can and do change".) is covered by the banner at the top of the article ("The content may change substantially as more information becomes available.") My biggest problem is the claim "For comparison when making the first Fable game Lionhead failed to include features that Peter Molyneux had mentioned while the game was still in development." You're placing blame on Lionhead and making Peter Molyneux blameless (POV). For all we know, PM could have been entirely unrealistic in his desire for features for the deadline needed for the game. Considering that we have said that the content may change before release, it's entirely unnecessary to compare to the first Fable. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 12:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_Death_Note_characters&diff=304844621&oldid=303386843
It is not sourced to an article in a newspaper or magazine, so the analysis seems to be written and created by you. However we do not allow " Wikipedia:Original research," so I removed the analysis. Please be familiar with the original research policy. Thank you WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Wiki is suppose to be academic, not opinion. Your saying anyone who read it would come to your conclusion when not everyone has, as this would not be a problem. Wiki additions are about sourced information. The significance of his death is neither sourced by the creator, nor critics, nor any form of scholar who views it from a neautral standpoint. What happened is suppose to be said. Creators intentions, sourced by the creators, is to be sourced. Interpretting and commenting on the significance is not your place, nor is it in accordance with the purpose of this site. Plus, when now three people are commenting that you are wrong, and giving you proof of it and your still not accepting it, is purely illogical and emotionally based. Find one source that even remotely says anywhere that the intention of Raye's death was to be a turning point, contrast with Light's other murders, or done to cause the reader to lose respect for Light, then add it. Interpretting the events to be as such is not scholarly. Find ANY source where the writer, artist, or critics comment on Raye's death to confirm you assertions before you just assume its noteworthy for you to add your own interpretation on it Undead penguin ( talk) 00:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
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I prefer not to. It takes just one more mouseclick to contact me without this type of signature. I do believe I am forgiven for causing people to click the mouse one extra time. -Sensemaker
I'm sure you know it takes two parties to edit war—and that's why I'm leaving a message on the talk pages of both parties involved currently at List of Death Note characters. Now's the time to take the situation to the talk page before anybody runs afoul of WP:3RR. — C.Fred ( talk) 05:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
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I was reverting the edits of User:Sindicate, a banned editor. Regarding the comparison between "Quisling" and "Benedict Arnold", that sounds like original research to me. Do you have a source for that? Jayjg (talk) 17:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Gee, if you removed my comparison by mistake why don't you just say so. We all make mistakes, but defending an error is to err again (and a much worse error in my opinion).
Do you really need a source just for pointing out a synonym? With such strict standards wiki would be stuffed to the gunwhales with links and source references. Just read the Benedict Arnold article and the Quilding article.
It is not original research. I found it in a dictionary. I'll see if I can find out which one.
Sensemaker
I got rid of the comparison because I didn't think it added anything to the article, as above. It seemed somewhat OR to me, and also rather Americocentric in an article about a European politician. I hope that makes sense. -- Guinnog 15:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The translation I'm referring to is yours- I condensed it down, because in the end, all you're saying is that he is praising the aesthetics (it does a great job of depicting medieval warfare). By putting the whole thing like you have, you are putting far too much emphasis on his review. Very short summaries of reviews are preferable, otherwise the criticism section gets too long- note that websites that review games (such as IGN and Gamespot) only got a sentence each. Mr. Englund shouldn't get significantly more than that. Cheers -- DarthBinky 13:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Please stop policing the Medieval 2 article by reflex-reverting me. You can't fall back on previous discussion as though anything following it is a breech of consensus. I made a very detailed motivation for my edits over two weeks ago, and you appear not to have read it. I also tweaked the prose and the the citation, which in no way interferes with what previous discussions have been about, yet you reverted these improvements with no reasonable motivation.
Peter Isotalo 08:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Your opinion has been answered on the discussion page. -Sensemaker
The aesthetics thing I based on your initial paragraph. You have since clarified that the emphasis was on the genre, not on the game's aesthetics. The article now reflects that.
We've already been over that, and we've already come to a consensus with which we're both reasonably happy. There is no point in continuing that argument because you are not convincing me, and, judging by the extreme length of that conversation, I am not convincing you. So let's stay with what we know works and leave it at that.
And no, I completely disagree with your final assertion. We should not assume that someone knows something or doesn't know something based on where they live, nor is it relevant to the article. Unless someone tells you what they know or don't know, you cannot possibly know that, and it's wrong to assume you do. While odds are, someone from China wouldn't know about the Battle of Little Bighorn, you never know when you're going to run into someone who DOES know about it- especially so in a place like this! -- DarthBinky 16:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
you claim to be a utilitarian, so let me put you in the following situation: you have Anne Frank and her family stashed away in your attic, and the Nazis (assuming you live in occupied Europe) come to your door and ask if there are any jews there. what do you do? If you are utilitarianistic you would tell the Nazis where Anne is hiding because by giving up the jews you save the life of you and your family, whereas saying u dont have any jews hiding in your attic will not only put Anne Frank in the concentration camps, but your family as well.
there is no way you can claim that killing Guderian and Kluge would shorten the war, as you are assuming they would have been replaced by worse commanders, I however beg to differ. They were "yes men", especially Kluge, they allowed Corporal Hitler to think he was a great commander, and thus helped shorten the war. All of your claims are pure conjecture, there is no way you can tie Guderian's death to a quicker peace
you said: To give another example, if I could travel back in time I would kill Hitler and Stalin as infants, or even better, made sure they never existed at all. again pure conjecture, how do you know a more evil man then Stalin (i know it would be hard to top his 100 million murders) would not have taken over the USSR. or how do you know that there wouldnt have been another Hitler, the man does not necessarily make his own fortune, Germany was ready for a radical leader after the rape of Versailles, if not Hitler then someone else, Hitler was in the right place at the right time to exploit the situation, how do u know someone else wouldn't have done so with more disastrous result.
-- Jadger 00:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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Excellent, an opt out option was all I was asking for. A sensible but persistant appeal to a gentleman's sense of decency and reciprocity almost always succeeds. I am glad it did so in this case too. I have done a simple test and it seems to have worked. Thank you. -Sensemaker
I've noticed that several times at [Talk:Medieval II: Total War: Kingdoms]], you have removed Sinebot's automatic signature, saying that you had already signed the page. You included your name, but you didn't exactly sign your post. To sign your post, put four tildes (as in ~~~~) after your post. Imperator3733 20:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Imperator 3733, but I strongly prefer to sign my posts myself. -Sensemaker
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People from all six Nordic Wiki-communities (sv, no, nn, fi, da and is) are coordinating a bid for Wikimania 2010 in Stockholm. I'm sending you a message to let you know that this is occurring, and over the next few months we're looking for community support to make sure this happens! See the bid page on meta and if you like such an idea, please sign the "supporters" list at the bottom. Tack (or takk), and have a wonderful day! Mike H. Fierce! 09:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not our place as editors to place reminders on the page. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 09:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Not really strict, no. Plus, what you're trying to say ("Things can and do change".) is covered by the banner at the top of the article ("The content may change substantially as more information becomes available.") My biggest problem is the claim "For comparison when making the first Fable game Lionhead failed to include features that Peter Molyneux had mentioned while the game was still in development." You're placing blame on Lionhead and making Peter Molyneux blameless (POV). For all we know, PM could have been entirely unrealistic in his desire for features for the deadline needed for the game. Considering that we have said that the content may change before release, it's entirely unnecessary to compare to the first Fable. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 12:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_Death_Note_characters&diff=304844621&oldid=303386843
It is not sourced to an article in a newspaper or magazine, so the analysis seems to be written and created by you. However we do not allow " Wikipedia:Original research," so I removed the analysis. Please be familiar with the original research policy. Thank you WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Wiki is suppose to be academic, not opinion. Your saying anyone who read it would come to your conclusion when not everyone has, as this would not be a problem. Wiki additions are about sourced information. The significance of his death is neither sourced by the creator, nor critics, nor any form of scholar who views it from a neautral standpoint. What happened is suppose to be said. Creators intentions, sourced by the creators, is to be sourced. Interpretting and commenting on the significance is not your place, nor is it in accordance with the purpose of this site. Plus, when now three people are commenting that you are wrong, and giving you proof of it and your still not accepting it, is purely illogical and emotionally based. Find one source that even remotely says anywhere that the intention of Raye's death was to be a turning point, contrast with Light's other murders, or done to cause the reader to lose respect for Light, then add it. Interpretting the events to be as such is not scholarly. Find ANY source where the writer, artist, or critics comment on Raye's death to confirm you assertions before you just assume its noteworthy for you to add your own interpretation on it Undead penguin ( talk) 00:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
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I prefer not to. It takes just one more mouseclick to contact me without this type of signature. I do believe I am forgiven for causing people to click the mouse one extra time. -Sensemaker
I'm sure you know it takes two parties to edit war—and that's why I'm leaving a message on the talk pages of both parties involved currently at List of Death Note characters. Now's the time to take the situation to the talk page before anybody runs afoul of WP:3RR. — C.Fred ( talk) 05:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
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