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Thanks for that. I think that a slap on the wrist might turn their head in the right direction. Here's a question, would I have been out of line in making that suggestion when I made the report? I don't do a lot of 3RR reports (probably less than 10 in 5 years), but I would have hated to see them get like a month block for something like this. Onel5969 TT me 14:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hey Salvio! Can I have some time of yours to discuss something?-- Anbans 585 ( talk) 12:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Salvio. I was going to leave my thoughts on that AE, but noted that you just closed it with the conclusion "No violation, although the edits skirted fairly close to the line". I have a few details to add, if I may, and I'll keep it short hopefully – given Orientls' involvement on this talk page since at least July, this report did not make sense. In the report, Orientls clarified they were not seeking a santion, but then used 'topic ban violation' in the same sentence, which doesn't inspire much confidence. They also chose to file the AE despite knowing, and choosing not to point out there, that I was permitted by admin BU Rob13 to edit the article. I don't know if I'm expected to have this engraved in stone:
@ Mar4d: After a complete review of the situation and a review of your sanction itself, I do not object to your participation in that discussion. You are restricted from edits or pages about the conflict, which is actually narrower than a usual topic ban. This page is not about the topic, and neither was your edit, so even if the discussion broaches on the topic, you're very technically fine. Related to this, I've indefinitely topic banned Sdmarathe from this topic area. I'm extremely unimpressed with both the current and previous attempts to remove opposition from discussions through various processes [1]
Ivanvector had echoed some sentiments on the RfC recently elsewhere. I'm also going to refer comments by power~enwiki not too long back.
My comments on that article and talk page have been completely limited to the discussion on Pakistan only, and finding neutral, reliable sources on the inclusion of Pakistan. The 'conflict' TBAN never came up, nor have I anywhere breached into that area. I'd also like to add that Pakistan has been listed on regional power since at least 2009 as others pointed out on the talk page, so repeatedly (not just once) and deliberately trying to bring up the TBAN, making off-topic references to it, in an issue and discussion that is of little relevance to it, to me, is WP:POINTY and really stretching the limits of weaponizing TBAN restrictions. That especially on an article which I'm not banned from in the first place.
I'm getting tired of these below-the-belt ploys, and I somewhat hope these repeat frivolous filings would be looked into too because this also, IMO, qualifies as disruptive. It's obviously too late to comment on the AE, but I thought I'd pen some of my final concerns just to convey my perspective. I suppose my only question, in defence, would be: how was this AE by Orientls, and some of the misleading statements in there, any different to what another user tried only a few days back? Kind regards, Mar4d ( talk) 13:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Dear Salvio thank you for your intervention on the edit-warring notice board regarding User:Briancua. I probably didn't express myself very well and probably didn't use the right formatting. But it was out of desperation really. I am absolutely miserable at the way Briancua has been behaving over a range of articles and I don't know what to do anymore. I've been editing for years and enjoy it, but I've been put off now to the extent that I'm not sure I want to edit anymore. Briancua is simply partisan in pushing a biased conservative religious agenda - he/she uses the cover of pointing to various bits of contradictory guidance in whatever way suits them to make sure their point of view is the one that always triumphs. He/ she is determined to do whatever they can to make sure editors like me that highlight concerns or challenge them are ultimately disgraced and banned. There is no reasoned or rational discussion, there is no hint of compromise. There is no suggestion of them making edits that are for AND against the position of the Catholic Church. I tried an ANI but no-one seemed to respond. I'm sorry for unburdening myself here - it's probably wrong of me. I think maybe it's more sensible if I just take a long break. Apologies again. Contaldo80 ( talk) 02:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Salvio. Thanks for protecting the page, but (I'm sorry to be a pain) the version you've reverted to also contains a clear factual error in stating that it was a whites only vote (the NYT source makes it clear that a small number (10,000) of black voters were enrolled for the referendum. Cheers, Number 5 7 21:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
demand?? Seriously? You don't own the page so you can't really demand anything... -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 21:31, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
demanding that things be done their way or they will revert until the page is protected again. -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 21:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Not an insult, just pointing out how you continue to violate policy. -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 22:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
work together in a civil manneryou finally realized that? -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 02:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
The same eligibility rules did apply, hence why the NYT mentions the A and B voter rolls. As for what I'd say, perhaps something like "Only 105,444 of the colony's 4m population were registered to vote in the referendum, and many of the registered black voters did not vote." This can be sourced to the NYT article above and the source used in the results table. Number 5 7 08:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for that. I think that a slap on the wrist might turn their head in the right direction. Here's a question, would I have been out of line in making that suggestion when I made the report? I don't do a lot of 3RR reports (probably less than 10 in 5 years), but I would have hated to see them get like a month block for something like this. Onel5969 TT me 14:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hey Salvio! Can I have some time of yours to discuss something?-- Anbans 585 ( talk) 12:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Salvio. I was going to leave my thoughts on that AE, but noted that you just closed it with the conclusion "No violation, although the edits skirted fairly close to the line". I have a few details to add, if I may, and I'll keep it short hopefully – given Orientls' involvement on this talk page since at least July, this report did not make sense. In the report, Orientls clarified they were not seeking a santion, but then used 'topic ban violation' in the same sentence, which doesn't inspire much confidence. They also chose to file the AE despite knowing, and choosing not to point out there, that I was permitted by admin BU Rob13 to edit the article. I don't know if I'm expected to have this engraved in stone:
@ Mar4d: After a complete review of the situation and a review of your sanction itself, I do not object to your participation in that discussion. You are restricted from edits or pages about the conflict, which is actually narrower than a usual topic ban. This page is not about the topic, and neither was your edit, so even if the discussion broaches on the topic, you're very technically fine. Related to this, I've indefinitely topic banned Sdmarathe from this topic area. I'm extremely unimpressed with both the current and previous attempts to remove opposition from discussions through various processes [1]
Ivanvector had echoed some sentiments on the RfC recently elsewhere. I'm also going to refer comments by power~enwiki not too long back.
My comments on that article and talk page have been completely limited to the discussion on Pakistan only, and finding neutral, reliable sources on the inclusion of Pakistan. The 'conflict' TBAN never came up, nor have I anywhere breached into that area. I'd also like to add that Pakistan has been listed on regional power since at least 2009 as others pointed out on the talk page, so repeatedly (not just once) and deliberately trying to bring up the TBAN, making off-topic references to it, in an issue and discussion that is of little relevance to it, to me, is WP:POINTY and really stretching the limits of weaponizing TBAN restrictions. That especially on an article which I'm not banned from in the first place.
I'm getting tired of these below-the-belt ploys, and I somewhat hope these repeat frivolous filings would be looked into too because this also, IMO, qualifies as disruptive. It's obviously too late to comment on the AE, but I thought I'd pen some of my final concerns just to convey my perspective. I suppose my only question, in defence, would be: how was this AE by Orientls, and some of the misleading statements in there, any different to what another user tried only a few days back? Kind regards, Mar4d ( talk) 13:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Dear Salvio thank you for your intervention on the edit-warring notice board regarding User:Briancua. I probably didn't express myself very well and probably didn't use the right formatting. But it was out of desperation really. I am absolutely miserable at the way Briancua has been behaving over a range of articles and I don't know what to do anymore. I've been editing for years and enjoy it, but I've been put off now to the extent that I'm not sure I want to edit anymore. Briancua is simply partisan in pushing a biased conservative religious agenda - he/she uses the cover of pointing to various bits of contradictory guidance in whatever way suits them to make sure their point of view is the one that always triumphs. He/ she is determined to do whatever they can to make sure editors like me that highlight concerns or challenge them are ultimately disgraced and banned. There is no reasoned or rational discussion, there is no hint of compromise. There is no suggestion of them making edits that are for AND against the position of the Catholic Church. I tried an ANI but no-one seemed to respond. I'm sorry for unburdening myself here - it's probably wrong of me. I think maybe it's more sensible if I just take a long break. Apologies again. Contaldo80 ( talk) 02:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Username policy. Legobot ( talk) 04:29, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:NPOV dispute. Legobot ( talk) 04:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Salvio. Thanks for protecting the page, but (I'm sorry to be a pain) the version you've reverted to also contains a clear factual error in stating that it was a whites only vote (the NYT source makes it clear that a small number (10,000) of black voters were enrolled for the referendum. Cheers, Number 5 7 21:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
demand?? Seriously? You don't own the page so you can't really demand anything... -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 21:31, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
demanding that things be done their way or they will revert until the page is protected again. -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 21:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Not an insult, just pointing out how you continue to violate policy. -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 22:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
work together in a civil manneryou finally realized that? -- Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 02:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
The same eligibility rules did apply, hence why the NYT mentions the A and B voter rolls. As for what I'd say, perhaps something like "Only 105,444 of the colony's 4m population were registered to vote in the referendum, and many of the registered black voters did not vote." This can be sourced to the NYT article above and the source used in the results table. Number 5 7 08:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, Salvio giuliano. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
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