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For your well-done closure at Talk:Race and crime. –– FormalDude talk 02:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC) |
Hi. I've waited a few days to bring this up, hoping that one of the editors at bee hummingbird would add the dinosaur fact back on the page somewhere. But nobody has. Probably because if it is allowed in the article at all it would then again be lead worthy. So, please reconsider your close of the discussion which states that consensus exists to remove the fact from the lead. Because what exists are lots of editors saying in various words that they don't like it, that it gives them the willies, and that Wikipedia's readers will catch the vapors and faint right away after reading that the bee hummingbird, bless its soul, is not only the smallest bird but is the smallest known dinosaur. All of the objections to including that fact in the lead were refuted not once but several times, in several different ways. Not one objection holds up, at least I don't see one. Since consensus is not a show of hands but keeping agreements as to how Wikipedia does business behind the curtains, some of those agreements were brought up during the discussion. And, not surprisingly, nobody had a point not countered by what I'd describe as common sense mixed with a dash of wonder and seasoning and a jolly (oh, wait, I've digressed, thinking about Christmas). The fact that the bee hummingbird is the smallest known dinosaur exists on several Wikipedia pages, and highlights a couple of them, but it can't be allowed on its own page. This is a quandary. Please read the discussion again with an eye for why editors don't want it on the page (and again, wouldn't a section on the page, which should be perfectly fine, also be worth a sentence or sentence-portion summary in the lead?, hence the quandary) because there really isn't a good unrefuted reason presented in the discussion. May I ask where do you see one? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 21:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
What a great conversation you cut short here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_89#Rent_control:_%22on_consensus_among_economists%22 What improvements in the articles did you achieve by cutting off such a conversation? 83.37.61.228 ( talk) 15:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi S Marshall, Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Thank you especially for having taken the time to create the closure review at WP:AN regarding WP:RFA2021/P#8B. Cheers, ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 00:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular Primefac, Lee Vilenski, and Ymblanter for closing the most difficult conversations and for TonyBallioni for closing the review of one of the closes.
The following proposals gained consensus and have all been implemented:
Why are you interested in becoming an administrator?Special thanks to xaosflux for help with implementation.
The following proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration:
Editors who wish to discuss these ideas or other ideas on how to try to address any of the six issues identified during phase 1 for which no proposal gained are encouraged to do so at RFA's talk page or an appropriate village pump.
A final and huge thanks all those who participated in this effort to improve our RFA process over the last 4 months.
This is the final update with no further talk page messages planned.
01:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already! |
Greetings S Marshall. I have seen you around, many times, and I've always been impressed with your manner and clue. I have especially come to appreciate you having collaborated on matters of RfA reform, and now, the implementation of XRV. I believe that your contributions and editing history are sufficient, upon review, to foster the community trust and support needed for your candidacy to succeed. I am confident that a number of respected administrators would be willing to nominate you, and I'd certainly be glad to give my own, unreserved, support. Nevertheless, I have reviewed RfA 1 and 2, and do understand if you've sworn the process off entirely. I guess it mostly depends on you, and whether your interested in becoming an admin or not. Either way, you are an administrator without tools and Wikipedia benefits because you are here. With sincere and best regards.-- John Cline ( talk) 10:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Since that discussion is overlong, I'd rather not weigh in there, but I was struck by the conjunction of two remarks you made in your exchange with Cbl62:
I'm rather confident that deprecation of the SNGs so that the GNG applied uniformly would have a far worse effect on the chance of articles about physicists surviving AfD than it would on our articles about footballers. I'm quite certain that the relaxation of the curious conjunction of criteria that GNG requires in NPROF allows quality, verifiable articles to be written on subjects that do not satisfy GNG. — Charles Stewart (talk) 13:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.
The topics proposed for revocation are:
The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:
Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.
Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. -- Barkeep49 ( talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Would an "oppose" along the lines of "thanks for volunteering, but..." have been sufficient, or was there some reason to emphatically oppose the candidacy of a 16-year-old with "absolutely not"? When adults are mean to kids, that shows a lack of maturity, judgment, and discretion by the adult, and it's not good for the website. Levivich 14:52, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
User:S Marshall/RfC close log. Somehow you got away with closing all those stressful discussions, and are still around to tell the tale! Whenever I happen to look at WP:AN/RFC I turn the page quickly and go work on something else. Your experience might suggest that more people should draw attention to difficult things they have handled. Thanks for your work. EdJohnston ( talk) 19:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Good morning! Or afternoon, or evening, depending on your location. I owe you an apology for my comment on this AfD discussion. The way I reacted to your response to another users !vote was out of line and I sincerely apologize! Clearly I wasn't assuming good faith in this regard. There's been a pretty heated debate recently about NFL players in particular, and what criteria they should be held against when it comes to GNG and NSPORTS, and for whatever reason I read your response to one of the comments as sarcastic, which obviously it wasn't. Sorry again, and I'll do my best to avoid that in the future! SPF121188 (tell me!) (contribs) 13:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The article seems to me to be of too great an age for a PROD, but I have not dePRODed it on that basis, nor at all. While the thing she advocates is distasteful are we sure that is a reason for deletion? I doubt it would be deleted at AfD. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
If one is going to assume another editor is "entirely mistaken", then make sure you are entirely correct before making such an assertion. I do not know the level of expertise you have in the topic area of Irish toponymy or whether you have simply a fleeting fancy with it, however I have quite a high and respected level of expertise in the field and have contributed to written publications on local townlands. By all means become involved in discussions but tagging an article for deletion based on an entirely mistaken whim is not the way to conduct things. Mabuska (talk) 16:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Part I of this Note will provide a brief discussion of doping regulations prior to the 1999 formation of WADA. Part II will highlight some of the changes that WADA has made to the fight against doping. Part III will detail the recent case of Kicker Vencill, an American swimmer who tested positive for a steroid precursor in 2003. Part IV will use the Vencill case to discuss the inadequacies of current testing. Part V will provide a discussion of WADA's strict liability standard in light of the Vencill case. Finally, Part VI will present suggestions for improvement to the system. While doping is clearly an international problem, this Note will use examples and events from the United States.
— Foschi, Jessica K. (2006). "A Constant Battle: The Evolving Challenges in the International Fight Against Doping in Sport". Duke Journal of Comparative & International Law. 16 (2): 457–486.
Sometimes it really does appear as though if something isn't a statistic to dump from a database, a mention in a film or a television program, or a news report to desperately shoe-horn into a biography, it doesn't get written about. The words "strict liability" do not even occur in our WADA article. (They're on page 9 of the 2017 Cambridge University Press guide to the Code.)
Uncle G ( talk) 03:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
It is commonly believed that suicide is a normal response to an abnormal situation. Scientists know that the opposite is true: suicide is an abnormal reaction to a normal situation. [1]
— van Heeringen, Kees (2018). "Introduction". The Neuroscience of Suicidal Behavior. Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781107148949.
Suicidal behaviour is neither a normal response to the levels of stress experienced by most people, nor a standard consequence of major mental disorders [2]
— Rihmer, Zoltán; Rutz, Wolfgang (2021). "Early detection and management of suicidal patients in primary care". In Wasserman, Danuta (ed.). Oxford Textbook of Suicidology and Suicide Prevention (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. doi: 10.1093/med/9780198834441.003.0052. ISBN 9780198834441.
DHHS also provided a list of practices to avoid, […] Many media reports do not take the time to describe the complex relationship between bullying and suicide, and instead portray bullying as the sole cause of suicide. This may normalize suicide as a response to bullying, which could lead to suicide contagion in the wake of such reporting. [3]
— Bliss, Whitney; Pflum, Samantha; Sciacca, Laura; Goldblum, Peter (2014). "Bullying, Suicide, and the Media". In Goldblum, Peter; Espelage, Dorothy L.; Chu, Joyce; Bongar, Bruce (eds.). Youth Suicide and Bullying: Challenges and Strategies for Prevention and Intervention. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780199950713.
Uncle G ( talk) 10:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
If you had called me a liar during the original deletion discussion, I would have addressed it, probably with the level of detail I have added to the DR discussion. I therefore request that you review the sources in my DR comments, which were in the article during the AfD, and consider striking your comments
[1] about The "keep" side
, i.e. they lied
as well as your assertion We have no source for any biographical information about her whatsoever.
If the AfD gets relisted, I would be happy to continue to discuss
WP:BLP1E and the need to satisfy all of the criteria to support a deletion, but in the meantime, I would appreciate your attention to this. Thank you,
Beccaynr (
talk)
23:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I've been following your ardency in this topic, and I just don't get it. I mean, I disagree with your interpretation of the facts, but I don't see you as someone who is in the habit of picking a hill to die on. Why this topic? I can guarantee you that the damage done to Ms. Foschi by the associated publicity is a) almost entirely in the past, and b) not dependent on Wikipedia. Jclemens ( talk) 06:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
By the way, I had never mentioned that my legal training and experience informed my view on the significance of the event as well as Foschi's substantial and well-documented role (and thus not WP:BLP1E due to #3), but I had perceived the complexity, duration, and novel nature of the proceedings, although articulating that without having the time or focus to fully analyze all of the sources during the wide-ranging discussions was a challenge. And then there is all of the reporting about her swimming career (undermining WP:BLP1E#1), as well as reporting and coverage later on that indicates she did not remain low-profile (undermining WP:BLP1E#2). Anyway, the Jessica Foschi article has been revised and hopefully addresses the concerns you raised. Beccaynr ( talk) 04:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi there,
So that was my first RfC. My apologies in advance if I structured it poorly or carried it out incorrectly. Thank you very much for "closing" it. I just had one follow-up question. You mentioned at the end of your comments that, "In the discussion below, despite some articulate and well-argued dissent, the community reaches a weak consensus that what's called for here is guidance rather than regulation. Editors are invited to discuss how to phrase an appropriate edit to MOS:ACCESS that would explain the benefits of leaving a white line after headings for visually impaired people, and also the drawbacks for small-screen users. When the phrasing is agreed, the appropriate edit may be made." My question is regards to where we should now carry on further comment or conversation? And what exactly we are now to discuss for a new consensus. I just don't want to offend anyone further or to push "my side" inadvertently (as I was accused of doing from time to time by some editors). Much thanks again, sorry if I am asking you to re-articulate something you have already stated. ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 14:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Just a note that you appear to have breached 3RR on M1 Group. I noticed your warning on Kajouz's talk page. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
First off, thank you for closing the discussion. But could I ask you to add an entry to WP:RSP reflecting the close? Thanks, nableezy - 02:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for coming in to try to be reasonable just about at the time that I decided that it wasn't being useful to try to resolve that dispute. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
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The Closer's Barnstar | ||
For your well-done closure at Talk:Race and crime. –– FormalDude talk 02:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC) |
Hi. I've waited a few days to bring this up, hoping that one of the editors at bee hummingbird would add the dinosaur fact back on the page somewhere. But nobody has. Probably because if it is allowed in the article at all it would then again be lead worthy. So, please reconsider your close of the discussion which states that consensus exists to remove the fact from the lead. Because what exists are lots of editors saying in various words that they don't like it, that it gives them the willies, and that Wikipedia's readers will catch the vapors and faint right away after reading that the bee hummingbird, bless its soul, is not only the smallest bird but is the smallest known dinosaur. All of the objections to including that fact in the lead were refuted not once but several times, in several different ways. Not one objection holds up, at least I don't see one. Since consensus is not a show of hands but keeping agreements as to how Wikipedia does business behind the curtains, some of those agreements were brought up during the discussion. And, not surprisingly, nobody had a point not countered by what I'd describe as common sense mixed with a dash of wonder and seasoning and a jolly (oh, wait, I've digressed, thinking about Christmas). The fact that the bee hummingbird is the smallest known dinosaur exists on several Wikipedia pages, and highlights a couple of them, but it can't be allowed on its own page. This is a quandary. Please read the discussion again with an eye for why editors don't want it on the page (and again, wouldn't a section on the page, which should be perfectly fine, also be worth a sentence or sentence-portion summary in the lead?, hence the quandary) because there really isn't a good unrefuted reason presented in the discussion. May I ask where do you see one? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 21:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
What a great conversation you cut short here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_89#Rent_control:_%22on_consensus_among_economists%22 What improvements in the articles did you achieve by cutting off such a conversation? 83.37.61.228 ( talk) 15:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi S Marshall, Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Thank you especially for having taken the time to create the closure review at WP:AN regarding WP:RFA2021/P#8B. Cheers, ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 00:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular Primefac, Lee Vilenski, and Ymblanter for closing the most difficult conversations and for TonyBallioni for closing the review of one of the closes.
The following proposals gained consensus and have all been implemented:
Why are you interested in becoming an administrator?Special thanks to xaosflux for help with implementation.
The following proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration:
Editors who wish to discuss these ideas or other ideas on how to try to address any of the six issues identified during phase 1 for which no proposal gained are encouraged to do so at RFA's talk page or an appropriate village pump.
A final and huge thanks all those who participated in this effort to improve our RFA process over the last 4 months.
This is the final update with no further talk page messages planned.
01:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already! |
Greetings S Marshall. I have seen you around, many times, and I've always been impressed with your manner and clue. I have especially come to appreciate you having collaborated on matters of RfA reform, and now, the implementation of XRV. I believe that your contributions and editing history are sufficient, upon review, to foster the community trust and support needed for your candidacy to succeed. I am confident that a number of respected administrators would be willing to nominate you, and I'd certainly be glad to give my own, unreserved, support. Nevertheless, I have reviewed RfA 1 and 2, and do understand if you've sworn the process off entirely. I guess it mostly depends on you, and whether your interested in becoming an admin or not. Either way, you are an administrator without tools and Wikipedia benefits because you are here. With sincere and best regards.-- John Cline ( talk) 10:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Since that discussion is overlong, I'd rather not weigh in there, but I was struck by the conjunction of two remarks you made in your exchange with Cbl62:
I'm rather confident that deprecation of the SNGs so that the GNG applied uniformly would have a far worse effect on the chance of articles about physicists surviving AfD than it would on our articles about footballers. I'm quite certain that the relaxation of the curious conjunction of criteria that GNG requires in NPROF allows quality, verifiable articles to be written on subjects that do not satisfy GNG. — Charles Stewart (talk) 13:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.
The topics proposed for revocation are:
The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:
Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.
Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. -- Barkeep49 ( talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Would an "oppose" along the lines of "thanks for volunteering, but..." have been sufficient, or was there some reason to emphatically oppose the candidacy of a 16-year-old with "absolutely not"? When adults are mean to kids, that shows a lack of maturity, judgment, and discretion by the adult, and it's not good for the website. Levivich 14:52, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
User:S Marshall/RfC close log. Somehow you got away with closing all those stressful discussions, and are still around to tell the tale! Whenever I happen to look at WP:AN/RFC I turn the page quickly and go work on something else. Your experience might suggest that more people should draw attention to difficult things they have handled. Thanks for your work. EdJohnston ( talk) 19:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Good morning! Or afternoon, or evening, depending on your location. I owe you an apology for my comment on this AfD discussion. The way I reacted to your response to another users !vote was out of line and I sincerely apologize! Clearly I wasn't assuming good faith in this regard. There's been a pretty heated debate recently about NFL players in particular, and what criteria they should be held against when it comes to GNG and NSPORTS, and for whatever reason I read your response to one of the comments as sarcastic, which obviously it wasn't. Sorry again, and I'll do my best to avoid that in the future! SPF121188 (tell me!) (contribs) 13:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The article seems to me to be of too great an age for a PROD, but I have not dePRODed it on that basis, nor at all. While the thing she advocates is distasteful are we sure that is a reason for deletion? I doubt it would be deleted at AfD. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
If one is going to assume another editor is "entirely mistaken", then make sure you are entirely correct before making such an assertion. I do not know the level of expertise you have in the topic area of Irish toponymy or whether you have simply a fleeting fancy with it, however I have quite a high and respected level of expertise in the field and have contributed to written publications on local townlands. By all means become involved in discussions but tagging an article for deletion based on an entirely mistaken whim is not the way to conduct things. Mabuska (talk) 16:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Part I of this Note will provide a brief discussion of doping regulations prior to the 1999 formation of WADA. Part II will highlight some of the changes that WADA has made to the fight against doping. Part III will detail the recent case of Kicker Vencill, an American swimmer who tested positive for a steroid precursor in 2003. Part IV will use the Vencill case to discuss the inadequacies of current testing. Part V will provide a discussion of WADA's strict liability standard in light of the Vencill case. Finally, Part VI will present suggestions for improvement to the system. While doping is clearly an international problem, this Note will use examples and events from the United States.
— Foschi, Jessica K. (2006). "A Constant Battle: The Evolving Challenges in the International Fight Against Doping in Sport". Duke Journal of Comparative & International Law. 16 (2): 457–486.
Sometimes it really does appear as though if something isn't a statistic to dump from a database, a mention in a film or a television program, or a news report to desperately shoe-horn into a biography, it doesn't get written about. The words "strict liability" do not even occur in our WADA article. (They're on page 9 of the 2017 Cambridge University Press guide to the Code.)
Uncle G ( talk) 03:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
It is commonly believed that suicide is a normal response to an abnormal situation. Scientists know that the opposite is true: suicide is an abnormal reaction to a normal situation. [1]
— van Heeringen, Kees (2018). "Introduction". The Neuroscience of Suicidal Behavior. Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781107148949.
Suicidal behaviour is neither a normal response to the levels of stress experienced by most people, nor a standard consequence of major mental disorders [2]
— Rihmer, Zoltán; Rutz, Wolfgang (2021). "Early detection and management of suicidal patients in primary care". In Wasserman, Danuta (ed.). Oxford Textbook of Suicidology and Suicide Prevention (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. doi: 10.1093/med/9780198834441.003.0052. ISBN 9780198834441.
DHHS also provided a list of practices to avoid, […] Many media reports do not take the time to describe the complex relationship between bullying and suicide, and instead portray bullying as the sole cause of suicide. This may normalize suicide as a response to bullying, which could lead to suicide contagion in the wake of such reporting. [3]
— Bliss, Whitney; Pflum, Samantha; Sciacca, Laura; Goldblum, Peter (2014). "Bullying, Suicide, and the Media". In Goldblum, Peter; Espelage, Dorothy L.; Chu, Joyce; Bongar, Bruce (eds.). Youth Suicide and Bullying: Challenges and Strategies for Prevention and Intervention. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780199950713.
Uncle G ( talk) 10:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
If you had called me a liar during the original deletion discussion, I would have addressed it, probably with the level of detail I have added to the DR discussion. I therefore request that you review the sources in my DR comments, which were in the article during the AfD, and consider striking your comments
[1] about The "keep" side
, i.e. they lied
as well as your assertion We have no source for any biographical information about her whatsoever.
If the AfD gets relisted, I would be happy to continue to discuss
WP:BLP1E and the need to satisfy all of the criteria to support a deletion, but in the meantime, I would appreciate your attention to this. Thank you,
Beccaynr (
talk)
23:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I've been following your ardency in this topic, and I just don't get it. I mean, I disagree with your interpretation of the facts, but I don't see you as someone who is in the habit of picking a hill to die on. Why this topic? I can guarantee you that the damage done to Ms. Foschi by the associated publicity is a) almost entirely in the past, and b) not dependent on Wikipedia. Jclemens ( talk) 06:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
By the way, I had never mentioned that my legal training and experience informed my view on the significance of the event as well as Foschi's substantial and well-documented role (and thus not WP:BLP1E due to #3), but I had perceived the complexity, duration, and novel nature of the proceedings, although articulating that without having the time or focus to fully analyze all of the sources during the wide-ranging discussions was a challenge. And then there is all of the reporting about her swimming career (undermining WP:BLP1E#1), as well as reporting and coverage later on that indicates she did not remain low-profile (undermining WP:BLP1E#2). Anyway, the Jessica Foschi article has been revised and hopefully addresses the concerns you raised. Beccaynr ( talk) 04:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi there,
So that was my first RfC. My apologies in advance if I structured it poorly or carried it out incorrectly. Thank you very much for "closing" it. I just had one follow-up question. You mentioned at the end of your comments that, "In the discussion below, despite some articulate and well-argued dissent, the community reaches a weak consensus that what's called for here is guidance rather than regulation. Editors are invited to discuss how to phrase an appropriate edit to MOS:ACCESS that would explain the benefits of leaving a white line after headings for visually impaired people, and also the drawbacks for small-screen users. When the phrasing is agreed, the appropriate edit may be made." My question is regards to where we should now carry on further comment or conversation? And what exactly we are now to discuss for a new consensus. I just don't want to offend anyone further or to push "my side" inadvertently (as I was accused of doing from time to time by some editors). Much thanks again, sorry if I am asking you to re-articulate something you have already stated. ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 14:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Just a note that you appear to have breached 3RR on M1 Group. I noticed your warning on Kajouz's talk page. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
First off, thank you for closing the discussion. But could I ask you to add an entry to WP:RSP reflecting the close? Thanks, nableezy - 02:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for coming in to try to be reasonable just about at the time that I decided that it wasn't being useful to try to resolve that dispute. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)