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Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.
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--The Olive Branch 19:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedian!
Because you were a participating member of the Deletion review for Category:Gay Wikipedians, I've contacted you to let you (and all others involved) know about and participate in the current category discussion. Thanks for your participation!
Ncboy2010 ( talk) 15:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Am I overly wordy? Dloh cierekim 17:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks much for voting. When we put the RfC together, one thing we were all agreed on was that it should run a week, so that it didn't take too much time away from more central questions ... but we decided not to put that in the RfC, I think because we didn't want to force a cutoff in the middle of a good debate. At this point, I've added that question, if you'd like to vote on that one too. - Dank ( push to talk) 15:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
You may be interested in this discussion. I'm notifying you because you participated in the first deletion discussion and/or the deletion review. Ladyof Shalott 16:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi S Marshall. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 June 5#User:Timeshift9, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination). Cunard ( talk) 06:02, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
An old 2009 unsourced, non-notable bio was redirected to River City. OTRS got an email asking why it redirected there. I don't see the connection.... Is that the proper redirect? You were the one who proposed it at the AFD. Cheers! Ocaasi t | c 17:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Marshall, Please excuse my naivety but i am new to wikipedia and had created an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kumar_Parakala which has been deleted. I noticed your comment on today's deletion review. I couldn't understand a few parts of it. My request is that the article was speedy deleted because of lack of substantial sources but i assure you that the article was written with a neutral point of view and had no element of promotion what so ever. Please advise me if the article can be retrieved back and then i can add other sources and make it better with the help of wikipedia admins. PriyankaLewis ( talk) 12:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
Do you really think I "invent [my]own speedy deletion criteria, or [...] go outside the speedy deletion criteria the community has set for [me]"? The content was broadly the same as that which had an WP:AFD in mid-2011 so deleting largely the same recreated article seems a perfect match for the speedy deletion criterion of G4 (I'll get it right this time). Note: I make no comment on the quality of the AFD but the material I deleted this time was largely the same as that which had a consensus to delete. I don't think I "invented" anything. The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:27, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
No need to clog an AFD discussion with this, but your interpretation of G4 is excessively literal. The purpose of G4 is to prevent the community's time from being wasted on repetitive discussions that will inevitably lead to the same result. It has nothing to do with justice or editor retention. If the new version of the article doesn't address any of the issues that the original AFD was based on, it's substantially identical. That's the difference between between being substantially identical and textually identical.— Kww( talk) 17:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, the purpose of G4 is to prevent copy/paste re-creations of the same material by the original author or his/her sockpuppets or meatpuppets. It has nothing to do with wasting the community's time. This is why it uses the words "substantially identical".
Secondly, you are not the judge of whether the issues at the AfD have been addressed. You are a sysop, with jurisdiction over conduct, consensus and copyright violations. You have no jurisdiction over content. Specifically, it is not for you to evaluate whether these sources are better than those sources, or whether this text is better than that text. Only the community is fit to make that decision.
Thirdly, speedy deletion is inherently bite-y and contrary to what you say, it absolutely is an editor retention issue. Possibly the single most important one. Therefore there must be an appeal from any and all speedy deletions that don't exactly fit the criteria, and sysops who do exceed their authority with speedy deletions must be brought to heel. That's DRV's job---to see that the process is strictly and exactly followed.— S Marshall T/ C 18:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The content wasn't substantially similar, comprising as it did a fresh set of sources and new text. The fresh sources are particularly important because administrators are not given jurisdiction over sources. You aren't authorised to make the decision that you made. The community decides about sources and content in a discussion. Administrators do not decide about sources and content.
To your credit you did, wisely, overturn yourself before the community did it for you.— S Marshall T/ C 20:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello. As a participant in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion article titles, you may wish to register an opinion on its followup RFC, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, which is now in its community feedback phase. Please note that WP:RFC/AAMC is not simply a repeat of WP:RFC/AAT, and is attempting to achieve better results by asking a more narrowly-focused, policy-based question of the community. Assumptions based on the previous RFC should be discarded before participation, particularly the assumption that Wikipedia has or inherently needs to have articles covering generalized perspective on each side of abortion advocacy, and that what we are trying to do is come up with labels for that. Thanks! —chaos5023 20:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I realize that your edits at WP:V are small (and mostly uncontroversial) and that you would like to get them done... but slow down a bit, please. There is no need to rush. In a major policy like WP:V, even a small edit can have a big impact on how people interpret what the policy says. Give others a chance to think about (and if necessary comment upon) an edit to one sentence before you move on to editing another sentence. An hour or two (or even one day) between edits will not overly delay the process. Thanks. Blueboar ( talk) 20:00, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Re "Incremental simplification; at this rate the policy ought to be somewhat clearer by 2017" [1] — Hmmm......... 2017. Was that year chosen because it fits into your plans for this? -- Bob K31416 ( talk) 20:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
[2] Spartaz Humbug! 01:53, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Spartaz is a great asset too. Usually comes across as wise and mostly calm. Please have a Merry Christmas both of you. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#SchumiWeb and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
Thanks, I've named you as a participant because you proposed de-admining him, but if you want to beg off I would not object. Mangoe ( talk) 17:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi, as you were a contributor to a previous DRV on the Freemasons category there is another deletion discussion on this. JASpencer ( talk) 16:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 13:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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When I go to the trouble of starting a new article about a person who doesn't have one, you are entitled to edit it, to add to it, to criticise it. You are not entitled arbitrarily to delete it. Wilson is a professor and published author, he meets any reasonable standard of notability, and if I want to write an article about him, I will do so. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:08, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Barrie Wilson is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barrie Wilson until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Spartaz Humbug! 05:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
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Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.
In this issue:
--The Olive Branch 19:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedian!
Because you were a participating member of the Deletion review for Category:Gay Wikipedians, I've contacted you to let you (and all others involved) know about and participate in the current category discussion. Thanks for your participation!
Ncboy2010 ( talk) 15:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Am I overly wordy? Dloh cierekim 17:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks much for voting. When we put the RfC together, one thing we were all agreed on was that it should run a week, so that it didn't take too much time away from more central questions ... but we decided not to put that in the RfC, I think because we didn't want to force a cutoff in the middle of a good debate. At this point, I've added that question, if you'd like to vote on that one too. - Dank ( push to talk) 15:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
You may be interested in this discussion. I'm notifying you because you participated in the first deletion discussion and/or the deletion review. Ladyof Shalott 16:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi S Marshall. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 June 5#User:Timeshift9, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination). Cunard ( talk) 06:02, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
An old 2009 unsourced, non-notable bio was redirected to River City. OTRS got an email asking why it redirected there. I don't see the connection.... Is that the proper redirect? You were the one who proposed it at the AFD. Cheers! Ocaasi t | c 17:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Marshall, Please excuse my naivety but i am new to wikipedia and had created an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kumar_Parakala which has been deleted. I noticed your comment on today's deletion review. I couldn't understand a few parts of it. My request is that the article was speedy deleted because of lack of substantial sources but i assure you that the article was written with a neutral point of view and had no element of promotion what so ever. Please advise me if the article can be retrieved back and then i can add other sources and make it better with the help of wikipedia admins. PriyankaLewis ( talk) 12:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
Do you really think I "invent [my]own speedy deletion criteria, or [...] go outside the speedy deletion criteria the community has set for [me]"? The content was broadly the same as that which had an WP:AFD in mid-2011 so deleting largely the same recreated article seems a perfect match for the speedy deletion criterion of G4 (I'll get it right this time). Note: I make no comment on the quality of the AFD but the material I deleted this time was largely the same as that which had a consensus to delete. I don't think I "invented" anything. The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:27, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
No need to clog an AFD discussion with this, but your interpretation of G4 is excessively literal. The purpose of G4 is to prevent the community's time from being wasted on repetitive discussions that will inevitably lead to the same result. It has nothing to do with justice or editor retention. If the new version of the article doesn't address any of the issues that the original AFD was based on, it's substantially identical. That's the difference between between being substantially identical and textually identical.— Kww( talk) 17:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, the purpose of G4 is to prevent copy/paste re-creations of the same material by the original author or his/her sockpuppets or meatpuppets. It has nothing to do with wasting the community's time. This is why it uses the words "substantially identical".
Secondly, you are not the judge of whether the issues at the AfD have been addressed. You are a sysop, with jurisdiction over conduct, consensus and copyright violations. You have no jurisdiction over content. Specifically, it is not for you to evaluate whether these sources are better than those sources, or whether this text is better than that text. Only the community is fit to make that decision.
Thirdly, speedy deletion is inherently bite-y and contrary to what you say, it absolutely is an editor retention issue. Possibly the single most important one. Therefore there must be an appeal from any and all speedy deletions that don't exactly fit the criteria, and sysops who do exceed their authority with speedy deletions must be brought to heel. That's DRV's job---to see that the process is strictly and exactly followed.— S Marshall T/ C 18:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The content wasn't substantially similar, comprising as it did a fresh set of sources and new text. The fresh sources are particularly important because administrators are not given jurisdiction over sources. You aren't authorised to make the decision that you made. The community decides about sources and content in a discussion. Administrators do not decide about sources and content.
To your credit you did, wisely, overturn yourself before the community did it for you.— S Marshall T/ C 20:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello. As a participant in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion article titles, you may wish to register an opinion on its followup RFC, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, which is now in its community feedback phase. Please note that WP:RFC/AAMC is not simply a repeat of WP:RFC/AAT, and is attempting to achieve better results by asking a more narrowly-focused, policy-based question of the community. Assumptions based on the previous RFC should be discarded before participation, particularly the assumption that Wikipedia has or inherently needs to have articles covering generalized perspective on each side of abortion advocacy, and that what we are trying to do is come up with labels for that. Thanks! —chaos5023 20:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I realize that your edits at WP:V are small (and mostly uncontroversial) and that you would like to get them done... but slow down a bit, please. There is no need to rush. In a major policy like WP:V, even a small edit can have a big impact on how people interpret what the policy says. Give others a chance to think about (and if necessary comment upon) an edit to one sentence before you move on to editing another sentence. An hour or two (or even one day) between edits will not overly delay the process. Thanks. Blueboar ( talk) 20:00, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Re "Incremental simplification; at this rate the policy ought to be somewhat clearer by 2017" [1] — Hmmm......... 2017. Was that year chosen because it fits into your plans for this? -- Bob K31416 ( talk) 20:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
[2] Spartaz Humbug! 01:53, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Spartaz is a great asset too. Usually comes across as wise and mostly calm. Please have a Merry Christmas both of you. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#SchumiWeb and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
Thanks, I've named you as a participant because you proposed de-admining him, but if you want to beg off I would not object. Mangoe ( talk) 17:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi, as you were a contributor to a previous DRV on the Freemasons category there is another deletion discussion on this. JASpencer ( talk) 16:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 13:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Holiday Cheer | ||
Michael Q. Schmidt talkback is wishing you Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings. |
When I go to the trouble of starting a new article about a person who doesn't have one, you are entitled to edit it, to add to it, to criticise it. You are not entitled arbitrarily to delete it. Wilson is a professor and published author, he meets any reasonable standard of notability, and if I want to write an article about him, I will do so. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:08, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Barrie Wilson is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barrie Wilson until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Spartaz Humbug! 05:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)