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{{ circa}} has nothing on the bottom of {{ infobox drug}}... worth the fight to have it removed as well? Primefac ( talk) 13:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
{{
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idea I posted
here. With an additional parameter instead of an embedded list, it can pull the changelog you want to do from a subpage, which would probably be the cleanest way to do it (i.e., just have a collapsed log box on the talk page, but the actual log entries not bulking up the amount of material in the page if you edit the talk page, since it would be transcluding the list from /changelog or whatever). —
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11:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)re this edit you made: You did not discuss it. IOW, you had to use your WP:TPE rights to push your point (other quotes from the TPE apply). So I propose (strongly) that you revert, and then start a proposal talk here. - DePiep ( talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Changes that don't affect the result when the template is transcluded, which is in the can almost always be made unilaterally section. In addition, plenty of reasons were given when they made the edit, and they all make sense. Primefac ( talk) 23:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
However, I do take exception to the WP:AGF problem of strange accusations like "I state that you (ab)used your TPE". (I do this kind of editing all the time, and if it were against WP:TPE, I would have lost that bit long ago.) I'm not butt-hurt about it, but it seems rather out-of-the-blue and unreasonably hostile. Next, "obviously disputed/controversial/undiscussed" is not accurate. There is no dispute or controversy about the edit itself (the content change); rather, DePiep is unreasonably disputing my personal actions in a particular role and within the rules of that role (i.e., raising a behavioral not content claim – we are on the right-hand side of "address the edits and the content, not the editor and the person" – not to mention toward the grimy bottom of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement). And one editor's objection even about content doesn't constitute a "controversy" (see WP:CONSENSUS: does not require unanimity), nor a "dispute"; a dispute is what happens when two or more editors are failing to get along, whether that be over content or anything else, and are in need of dispute resolution. Yet this pseudo-dispute is one-sided. I'm not angry or anything like that; the whole exchange just seems kind of silly. That the edit was initially "undiscussed" is irrelevant per the previously cited policies etc., and is moot per discussion now ongoing (in two places). See also #A side comment to both parties in previous thread; I make a point of clearing my mental buffers of who said or did what, and it's a good way to avoid WP:DRAMA. I have vague memories of frequently agreeing with DePiep, and sometimes disagreeing, but cannot for the life of me recall disputation so acrimonious that would inspire this level of assumptive hostility, especially over something so patently trivial. To the extent I get a "feeling" when I see DePiep it has been positive; I get a sense of "this is one of our more tech-competent regulars" (which is why I though the editor already had template-editor permissions).
While it was written to Primefac, not me, I also have no idea what "you are threatening me with severe repercussions, enwiki-level wise or worse" means. I think we have a
WP:MASTODON moment happening, and someone needs to take a little wikibreak perhaps. There's certainly nothing real or important here that warrants this sort of flaming. This is making a mountain out of a dust mote on a molehill.
—
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03:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
PS, @ DePiep: If after all of this you are still convinced you are right and that I'm abusing advanced permissions, you're free to raise a de-TemplateEditor-ing case at WP:TPE. Be aware that this is just a notch below a desysopping case at ArbCom (i.e. you should probably re-familiarize yourself with WP:BOOMERANG). Now, I'm going to go back to the mainspace work that all this weirdness interrupted. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hello Mac, I seek your advice on yet another perturbation. Back in the past you were involved in this move:
Talk:Domesticated red fox#Requested move 28 September 2017. So we have an article on the
Domesticated red fox which covers the "domestication" experiment. Unfortunately, the fox that was "domesticated" was the melanistic form of the red fox, the fur-traded
Silver fox (animal) that already existed (but you were not to know), which also covers the experiment. We have a content fork. Now to add a complication, the scientist that undertook the experiment was
Dmitry Belyayev (zoologist), which also covers the experiment in great detail. Triple fork. We also have an article on the
Red fox#Taming and domestication which gives a brief overview. Do you have any views on an approach to consolidate some of this stuff?
William Harris
talk
11:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
{{
Main}}
tag. The topic itself has more than enough non-trivial coverage to exist as a stand-alone article. We just don't need to tell the same story in detail in four places, which will produce conflicting information, possibly even a
WP:POVFORK, and is apt to confuse readers into thinking two kinds of foxes have been quasi-domesticated. —
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22:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
{{
Main}}
cross-reference hatnotes. —
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22:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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Don't worry, I'm well aware of what eventually happens if any editor seeks a consensus against the usage of diacritics. No one ever accused Wikipedia of being 'open minded'. GoodDay ( talk) 14:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Mac - I'm working on Timothy Drury, and trying to figure out the best formatting to use for the material I'd like to add to the article, a rough draft of which you can see in my sandbox. I'm working on finding the sources I need to cite so any help in that department would be most welcome. I'm thinking a table, or possibly individual tables, or would prose be better? Atsme Talk 📧 21:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{ circa}} has nothing on the bottom of {{ infobox drug}}... worth the fight to have it removed as well? Primefac ( talk) 13:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
{{
To do}}
idea I posted
here. With an additional parameter instead of an embedded list, it can pull the changelog you want to do from a subpage, which would probably be the cleanest way to do it (i.e., just have a collapsed log box on the talk page, but the actual log entries not bulking up the amount of material in the page if you edit the talk page, since it would be transcluding the list from /changelog or whatever). —
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11:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)re this edit you made: You did not discuss it. IOW, you had to use your WP:TPE rights to push your point (other quotes from the TPE apply). So I propose (strongly) that you revert, and then start a proposal talk here. - DePiep ( talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Changes that don't affect the result when the template is transcluded, which is in the can almost always be made unilaterally section. In addition, plenty of reasons were given when they made the edit, and they all make sense. Primefac ( talk) 23:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
However, I do take exception to the WP:AGF problem of strange accusations like "I state that you (ab)used your TPE". (I do this kind of editing all the time, and if it were against WP:TPE, I would have lost that bit long ago.) I'm not butt-hurt about it, but it seems rather out-of-the-blue and unreasonably hostile. Next, "obviously disputed/controversial/undiscussed" is not accurate. There is no dispute or controversy about the edit itself (the content change); rather, DePiep is unreasonably disputing my personal actions in a particular role and within the rules of that role (i.e., raising a behavioral not content claim – we are on the right-hand side of "address the edits and the content, not the editor and the person" – not to mention toward the grimy bottom of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement). And one editor's objection even about content doesn't constitute a "controversy" (see WP:CONSENSUS: does not require unanimity), nor a "dispute"; a dispute is what happens when two or more editors are failing to get along, whether that be over content or anything else, and are in need of dispute resolution. Yet this pseudo-dispute is one-sided. I'm not angry or anything like that; the whole exchange just seems kind of silly. That the edit was initially "undiscussed" is irrelevant per the previously cited policies etc., and is moot per discussion now ongoing (in two places). See also #A side comment to both parties in previous thread; I make a point of clearing my mental buffers of who said or did what, and it's a good way to avoid WP:DRAMA. I have vague memories of frequently agreeing with DePiep, and sometimes disagreeing, but cannot for the life of me recall disputation so acrimonious that would inspire this level of assumptive hostility, especially over something so patently trivial. To the extent I get a "feeling" when I see DePiep it has been positive; I get a sense of "this is one of our more tech-competent regulars" (which is why I though the editor already had template-editor permissions).
While it was written to Primefac, not me, I also have no idea what "you are threatening me with severe repercussions, enwiki-level wise or worse" means. I think we have a
WP:MASTODON moment happening, and someone needs to take a little wikibreak perhaps. There's certainly nothing real or important here that warrants this sort of flaming. This is making a mountain out of a dust mote on a molehill.
—
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
03:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
PS, @ DePiep: If after all of this you are still convinced you are right and that I'm abusing advanced permissions, you're free to raise a de-TemplateEditor-ing case at WP:TPE. Be aware that this is just a notch below a desysopping case at ArbCom (i.e. you should probably re-familiarize yourself with WP:BOOMERANG). Now, I'm going to go back to the mainspace work that all this weirdness interrupted. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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A first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Wikipedia:Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello Mac, I seek your advice on yet another perturbation. Back in the past you were involved in this move:
Talk:Domesticated red fox#Requested move 28 September 2017. So we have an article on the
Domesticated red fox which covers the "domestication" experiment. Unfortunately, the fox that was "domesticated" was the melanistic form of the red fox, the fur-traded
Silver fox (animal) that already existed (but you were not to know), which also covers the experiment. We have a content fork. Now to add a complication, the scientist that undertook the experiment was
Dmitry Belyayev (zoologist), which also covers the experiment in great detail. Triple fork. We also have an article on the
Red fox#Taming and domestication which gives a brief overview. Do you have any views on an approach to consolidate some of this stuff?
William Harris
talk
11:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
{{
Main}}
tag. The topic itself has more than enough non-trivial coverage to exist as a stand-alone article. We just don't need to tell the same story in detail in four places, which will produce conflicting information, possibly even a
WP:POVFORK, and is apt to confuse readers into thinking two kinds of foxes have been quasi-domesticated. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
22:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
{{
Main}}
cross-reference hatnotes. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
22:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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Don't worry, I'm well aware of what eventually happens if any editor seeks a consensus against the usage of diacritics. No one ever accused Wikipedia of being 'open minded'. GoodDay ( talk) 14:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Mac - I'm working on Timothy Drury, and trying to figure out the best formatting to use for the material I'd like to add to the article, a rough draft of which you can see in my sandbox. I'm working on finding the sources I need to cite so any help in that department would be most welcome. I'm thinking a table, or possibly individual tables, or would prose be better? Atsme Talk 📧 21:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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