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JBW (
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23:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)S.K. ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The block IMHO misses to correctly evaluate the result of the move discussion to judge my behavior. The move request was denied not based on the question if Aramaic was a language family or not, but based on the grounds that Aramaic was considered a common name/precise enough. :To explain this reasoning see for example the following comments from the discussion: :*While I think the underlying point is sound, I don't think it necessitates that we change the title of the article. […] In my view, it'd be more helpful to discuss the language-vs-group status of Aramaic in the article body, while leaving the title as is. ModernDayTrilobite(talk • contribs) 19:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:* Oppose per AjaxSmack, and per the fact that 'Aramaic' is very commonly used to refer to any of its variants. It would help though if the lead would sooner and more clearly specify that it's also a language family. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 10:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
:That’s what I did after the move was declined, adapt the lead/article, providing reliable sources. :On the other hand did you check the language and behavior of Syriac563 before you judged my vandalism report regarding him? Or is It is clear that you are an Assyrian nationalist
considered normal discussion language? Did you check related edit comments from him and IPs on the page? And comments from Syriac653 towards other editors regarding theses topics? :That‘s why I think the evaluation of me "long-term edit warring" is grossly misrepresenting the actual events/behavior, the block is therefore IMHO inappropriate.
S.K. (
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00:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You are blocked for edit warring. Of course you think you are correct. Everyone thinks they are correct when they engage in edit warring. This is not relevant. Yamla ( talk) 01:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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@ Dan Palraz: With the ridiculous block of JBW I can't at the moment and given this overall experience I don't want to contribute to the English Wikipedia anymore.
Just one last response regarding your comment: There are a two reliable sources accepted by at least three of the six participants of the move discussion from what seems to be one of the most respected Aramaists in the world (look at the book description at the publisher etc. and search for him in Wikipedia and be surprised that articles of him are cited in many of the articles in this language family) and two other evenly well respected researchers on language classification cited by a renowned research institute as the basis for their classification of Aramaic as language family.
So assuming for the moment there is a "language family" "Aramaic" what should that be besides that what is currently described in the article Aramaic? The current article describes all historic and current varieties. And yes, which of those varieties are considered languages and which are considered dialects based on which definition of language is open for discussion. That's why I put in the Cleanup template. But this needs to be resolved IN THIS article, as I see no place for two articles. They would describe the same thing, only under different titles.
BTW: One last word regarding the wording "language family": The German Wikipedia distinguishes between "language family" and " de:Genetische Einheit". The English Wikipedia uses the same word for both concepts. That's why I used "sub-group of the Semitic languages" to describe the concept, where in German I would have used "Genetische Einheit". S.K. ( talk) 16:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Assyrian nationalist. S.K. ( talk) 05:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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JBW (
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23:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)S.K. ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The block IMHO misses to correctly evaluate the result of the move discussion to judge my behavior. The move request was denied not based on the question if Aramaic was a language family or not, but based on the grounds that Aramaic was considered a common name/precise enough. :To explain this reasoning see for example the following comments from the discussion: :*While I think the underlying point is sound, I don't think it necessitates that we change the title of the article. […] In my view, it'd be more helpful to discuss the language-vs-group status of Aramaic in the article body, while leaving the title as is. ModernDayTrilobite(talk • contribs) 19:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:* Oppose per AjaxSmack, and per the fact that 'Aramaic' is very commonly used to refer to any of its variants. It would help though if the lead would sooner and more clearly specify that it's also a language family. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 10:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
:That’s what I did after the move was declined, adapt the lead/article, providing reliable sources. :On the other hand did you check the language and behavior of Syriac563 before you judged my vandalism report regarding him? Or is It is clear that you are an Assyrian nationalist
considered normal discussion language? Did you check related edit comments from him and IPs on the page? And comments from Syriac653 towards other editors regarding theses topics? :That‘s why I think the evaluation of me "long-term edit warring" is grossly misrepresenting the actual events/behavior, the block is therefore IMHO inappropriate.
S.K. (
talk)
00:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You are blocked for edit warring. Of course you think you are correct. Everyone thinks they are correct when they engage in edit warring. This is not relevant. Yamla ( talk) 01:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
@ Dan Palraz: With the ridiculous block of JBW I can't at the moment and given this overall experience I don't want to contribute to the English Wikipedia anymore.
Just one last response regarding your comment: There are a two reliable sources accepted by at least three of the six participants of the move discussion from what seems to be one of the most respected Aramaists in the world (look at the book description at the publisher etc. and search for him in Wikipedia and be surprised that articles of him are cited in many of the articles in this language family) and two other evenly well respected researchers on language classification cited by a renowned research institute as the basis for their classification of Aramaic as language family.
So assuming for the moment there is a "language family" "Aramaic" what should that be besides that what is currently described in the article Aramaic? The current article describes all historic and current varieties. And yes, which of those varieties are considered languages and which are considered dialects based on which definition of language is open for discussion. That's why I put in the Cleanup template. But this needs to be resolved IN THIS article, as I see no place for two articles. They would describe the same thing, only under different titles.
BTW: One last word regarding the wording "language family": The German Wikipedia distinguishes between "language family" and " de:Genetische Einheit". The English Wikipedia uses the same word for both concepts. That's why I used "sub-group of the Semitic languages" to describe the concept, where in German I would have used "Genetische Einheit". S.K. ( talk) 16:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Assyrian nationalist. S.K. ( talk) 05:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)