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Hello Rlevse/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
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You might want to put this on your user page instead. -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 17:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment on the article. Indeed, the justices ruling in the case did find that her gender and ethnicity were factors in her reception of an unfair trial. For more information about why, you can follow the external links or check out the texts used as references from your local library. If you feel that the article is written from a certain point of view, feel free to point out how and why on the talk page, and then to improve it yourself. I also welcome criticisms on my talkpage.-- Rockero 04:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello again Rlevse. There seems to be some confusion about what goes on a person's user page and what goes on their talk page. Generally, Wikipedians use their user pages to describe themselves, their interests, and to gloat about their contributions. Of course, they are free to use the namespace anyway they see fit (within certain limits). A person's talk page, on the other hand, is generally used by members of the community other than the user him/herself to ask questions, make comments, ask for advice, request arbitration, et cetera. In line with this standard, I have moved your comment on the Yvonne Wanrow article from my user page to my talk page. You may want to split up the content on your talk page between your talk and user pages, but of course that is your prerogative. Just a friendly FYI.-- Rockero 18:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction! I'm glad somebody double-checked me on that. I think an article on Merit Badge Collecting would be interesting (I didn't know people collected merit badges), but merging the list would be a bad idea. The list is plenty long to stand alone, and I think it's useful as a separate entity. Tuf-Kat 05:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, like I said, it's too bad that these things didn't come out during Peer Review. But at least these are valid, concrete and specific suggestions that can easily be worked on. -- JohnDBuell 15:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The reason it is not showing up on the search is probably because it is very new. Give it a few more days. I used a bit of external software to count it for you. I make the wikicode 25,891 bytes. The HTML document will probably be somewhat bigger. I looks featured quality to me. Good luck with that. :) -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 21:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Contributions are welcome, but Stax calling his me crazy is highly inappropriate. He's the one that made a personal attack, not me. He's is definitely in need of 'keeping it cool' Rlevse 12:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, there. You found my name, not that it's very difficult to find - stalking much? ;) I'm kidding, of course. As for editing out comments: you never, ever touch somebody else's comments until they have said that the problem has been resolved. Even then, it's best to create a archive page. If you'll see the FA review for The West Wing (television) here, you'll see that someone created an archive page by adding "/SolvedIssuesArchive1" to the end of the URL and linking to it from the main page, and copying and pasted the resolved issues only into that page. Good luck. - Rebelguys2 14:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd be glad to. I'm in the middle of final exams, which is the only reason it's 10:30 AM and I haven't been to bed yet, so I'll probably be around at completely random times for the next week or two. Good luck! - Rebelguys2 16:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Howdy. By using the tool found
here, you can find out more about your edits than you ever cared to know, probably.
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Regarding the Examples of merit badge changes subsection of Merit badge types (BSA): It now just looks like an unbulleted list to me. Have you considered just rewriting all of it into one single paragraph? -- JohnDBuell 17:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
If it was an image that suddenly appeared where one of your existing images SHOULD have been, then it was the image itself that was vandalized and not your page and its text itself. It sounds as if an administrator may have caught and restored the appropriate image. -- JohnDBuell 21:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I didn't get your messages until today. Sorry about that. For future, if you can't get hold of anyone who can help you, you can try Wikipedia:Help Desk. For information on templates, you can check out Help:Template. -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 16:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey there - I suggest what be done about the lists is like this:
Instead of:
have this : blah 1, etc 2, note 3.
Thats usually the kind of thing I do - good luck with getting your article featured. — Wackymacs 21:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Blah 1, these are unusual kinds of blah; etc 2, the most prominent... Semi-colons are good ;)
Wackymacs 10:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite to participate in the FAC. I am going to be offline for the next week, so I will not ba able to participate (getting married will do that to a guy). -- Gadget850 14:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I read your comment about the /temp page, and added another suggestion to it, as someone mentioned under the FAC how there shouldn't be a reliance on 'mouseover'. -- JohnDBuell 16:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I tried to explain the Lion King image. Here's my source for it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110357/trivia. There are also a few websites, like this one ( http://www.lionking.org/movies/) that offer downloads of the scene. If I could, I'd put that in there, but something tells me it's a MAJOR copyright violation. (I think the streaming Quicktime is the only available one at present) Palm_Dogg 19:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Good stuff. I found out about the "humor" merit badges at http://www.streamwood.net/cat568.htm. And, while I am still on merit badges, I like to present you with the Good Article Writing Merit Badge for the great work you have done on this article. Zach (Smack Back) 19:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Rlevse, you have done some outstanding work on this article and I commend you for that! I will continue to watch the article's progression and help in any way that I can. All of the recent suggestions on the FAC page in regards to how the article should progress have my head spinning because there are so many of them hehe. At this point I'm not completely sure which suggestions I agree or disagree with. If you want me to check anything or help in any way (with this article or any other one) - let me know, I would be happy too. You are a great editor, keep it up as time permits :) -- Naha| (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Got one for you-what the heck is this thing really? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7735203216&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 YiS, Chris 21:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
There's a good reason the image on the Eagle Scout template was changed. I totally agree with your insights, but we can't change it back - I've posted more on the template's talk page. - Rebelguys2 19:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry too much about getting every last person to change their vote - some people simply won't come back, and administrators will take into account that you've satisfied objections without any new responses. Nixie has been around a long time and is a very tough, yet clear-headed and helpful individual - I think he's just looking for the article name change, which should be a very quick change to make. Tuf-kat and Tony, however, I haven't worked much with before. The latter's prose objections can always be an issue - there's always room for improvement, however subjective. He makes some good suggestions, and the article could use a good copyedit, but a handful of naysayers at this article's close isn't going to hurt anything if you've responded sufficiently to specific complaints. Tsavage always has a long list of possible improvements to FA candidates; I think that, in this case, his objections can be resolved simply by clarifying the scope and focus of this article - "merit badge types."
He seems to want more information here, less information there, and so on. I can see where he's going, and your problem is that this article isn't clear and very tightly written to emphasize that the primary focus are the sections about the actual, physical badges.
I probably won't get around to it tonight, but I'll get around to finely going through the article soon. I'm looking at a rewrite of the lead section, as well as massive copyediting throughout the body. As a side note - I don't understand the need for the table with the "Botany" merit badges. I can see that it's there to compare the two types of badge, but why did we suddenly get so specific here? Why couldn't we just use Botany badges for the main Type F and Type G boxes? I hesitated to bring it up on the main FAC page as I wasn't sure if I was missing something there.
Happy New Year! - Rebelguys2 02:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
We may want to re-reconsider using Merit Badge Design History (BSA) as an article title, and one of the sections could be "Collecting different generations of merit badges" - I think this would meet some of the objections for clarifying what the article actually IS or ISN'T about. Just my $0.02. And Happy New Year! -- JohnDBuell 03:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
If we use the word DESIGN in the title, people may confuse it with the motif rather than the basic badge type. I see where this argument is coming from, but i just haven't thought of a just the right title. This is why I suggested waiting awhile before we settle on one; definitely after most copyediting is done. I think part of this comes from it starting out as including more collecting info and then we took it out. However, at this point, I strongly feel all sections should stay in. I thought about removing the Botany F&G section.
HAPPY NEW YEAR (I guess us three aren't the party animal types -;) Rlevse 03:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'll be getting around to it sometime after the dust has settled from the name change and such. - Rebelguys2 19:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey guys, had fun working with you all on the Merit Badge history article ...if there is anything else I can do there, or on any of the other BSA (or other) articles in this series or anywhere else let me know. Its really nice working with folks who communicate well and take constructive criticism ..constructively and do not become defensive about it hehe :) I kind of lost track of where we are with the BSA "project" ..so again, feel free to fill me in or ask for help with anything ..I'll be happy to TRY :) -- Naha| (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
((old link)) Brother, I want to share this with you, but didn't think it would be right just to add it to your userpage without asking you. Chris 04:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
ps-Randy please e-mail me Chris 06:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
<Looking at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Titles (MoS), I would believe that scout, scouter and scouting should be capitilized only when used as a title or as part of the group name. On the other hand, BSA appears to capitilize all uses of scout. On the gripping hand, would scout be capitilzed when refering to a non WOSM scout? I would tend to go with the MoS useage for Wikipedia entries. -- Gadget850 16:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Change of mind. Per The Language of Scouting:
-- Gadget850 20:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
The problem with the Henry Fonda lies in it's extensive use of numbered URL links. To comply with the Manual of Style, these links should be converted to footnotes. One of the quirks of WP footnotes is that the references get numbered in line with those links, but the actual notes start with 1. While you can manually set the number in the footnote, it's a hassle if anyone adds more links. We could go in and convert those 18 links to footnotes, but it is a pain (I've done this before). I would recommend that you let it stand for now: someone who is really interested in the article will fix it.
BTW, footnotes should go under a ==Notes== section.
dab is short for disambiguation. The original link was Eagle Scout, which leads to a disambiguation page; I changed it to Eagle Scout which now goes directly to the proper page. I've been doing this as I find it. -- Gadget850 16:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
After reading footnotes again, there is no preference for footnotes or embedded links. It looks like the recommendation is to use the style already in use in an existing article. -- Gadget850 18:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I think footnotes work better, but it seems to be a matter of preference. -- Gadget850 18:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I have mixed feelings about designating on the Eagle Scouts list which Eagles are also NESA recipents since it's a politicaly motivated award really.
I would perfer a seperate list be made of people who also have the NESA.
grazon 22:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
After seeing Michael S. Dukakis on the list of DESA (not NESA that was a mistake) recipents I have decided you are right about it not being politicaly motivated.
grazon 23:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Please indicate suggestions from the articles you start as self-nom - it reduces our work load ;-) -- Gurubrahma 08:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes: That's a capital idea. There are any number of things to do that should be co-ordinated. I'm on Woodbadge staff this year, so I've been thinking of adding some stuff.
As far as renaming the rank articles, we need a consensus on keeping the individual articles, or keeping List of BSA rank requirements ( talk). I could easily go either way on this one.
I'm going to be traveling next week, so my contributions are going to be spotty. The next week I will be recovering from some minor surgery and will be bored to tears. -- Gadget850 21:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone started a discussion on this yet? -- Gadget850 15:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! Maybe we could suggest this as an Eagle Project to someone? ;) Nah, probably not.... -- JohnDBuell 18:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I just uploaded a higher quality picture for the infobox. The last one, when automatically re-demensioned to fit the info-box template, became distorted hehe. -- Naha| (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. The phto in the Undisputed (film) article is distorted too. Generally I try to find larger picture, rather than a smaller one because they don't really get distorted if they are shrunk, but when they get blown up ..that tends to happen. You might try this one. -- Naha| (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about this and for listing my name. I would be very glad to help in this effort to improve BSA articles. Have a nice day! Dustimagic *\o/* ( talk/ contribs) *\o/* 22:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes: I just saw that also. I was going to revert it and refer to the Notability section on the Talk page. I'm not happy the guy is a bank robber, but it is what it is. I did the Google test because the Brescia article was so skimpy, and it did pass: He's an Eagle. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment on Cheers' FAC! I ref'ed the Portnoy link, and hope Cheers can garner your eventual support vote! :) Staxringold 18:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Not only is "WB" scouting only, it's BSA only! Stick to your guns. :) -- JohnDBuell 20:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the category changes - I believe the system is hierarchical - picture it like a family tree - so "Wood Badger Wikipedians" is a subset of the "Scouting and Guiding members" category (and they're actually linked to each other), so there's no need to list it in both places. I don't really know much about Guiding, so I don't know what to say, but I think that's what the disagreement was about. - Rebelguys2 00:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
John: Wood Badge is used in more than just the USA. I know that the UK and Australia have it, and there are probably more. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC) WB is used in many countries around the world. See msg on Gadget's talk page. Rlevse 13:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have moved this page into the Wikipedia: namespace, where all pages that are not directly encyclopaedia content are placed. Cheers, [[Sam Korn]] 14:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Rle, you are doing a great job moving everything from our collaboration page to the Wikiproject page and reformatting it to a useable form etc. Keep up the good work. Earlier today I started digging through the 'pedia trying to tag Scouting articles with the {{ScoutingWikiProject}} template. I got quite a few of them but there are still a hell of a lot left out there I know. I'll continue doing this the next few days, it will give us a handle on what articles are already out there. I read through some of the ones I was tagging - there are A LOT of World Scouting articles that seem, incorrectly, BSA-centric that we will have to work on. And there are A LOT of Scouting articles that need a lot of restructuring, formatting and basically an all-around over-haul because their quality is so poor. Hopefully, this new Project will help us find more interested users to aid us with the large task ahead. Keep up the good work! -- Naha| (talk) 21:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking my Follow Me, Boys! note and running with it, that's great! I had forgotten Kurt Russell was in it.
And finally, congratulations on your merit badge article success! Your brother in Scouting, Chris 23:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
ps-Randy, check out User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop/Gallery of Scout and Guide national emblems, and see if the idea has merit. YiS Chris 22:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
pps-give a look at how Template:WikiProject Indiana links to all articles just by the addition of the template, would that be desirable? It seems like it might be positive. Chris 22:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
-- Gurubrahma 19:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Finally! Yay! Third time's a charm I guess? -- JohnDBuell 20:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
After the first Merit Badge Collecting title, we renamed it to Merit Badge Types - so did Raul allow it to stay up there the WHOLE time while all the kinks were worked out? I'm IMPRESSED. -- JohnDBuell 21:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your Featured Article! I went ahead and removed your addition to the dab on top of Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America); while it's good news, articles should never disambiguate to, refer to, or even mention anything Wikipedia-related, unless the article itself is Wikipedia-related. Regardless, congratulations again! - Rebelguys2 23:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on the Featured Article! You have worked very hard on this and other Scouting articles and it shows :) Congrats also on the barnstar! -- Naha| (talk) 04:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I reworked the criteria for Talk:List of Eagle Scouts a bit. Take a look at: User:Gadget850/Sandbox2. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I like that! We're adopting it. Rlevse 17:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. We should do something similar for any article that needs some sort of specific guideline. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Please check out my comments here about the United Nations. evrik 17:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Are you going to be upset if I add this language, or a version of it back into the pages in question?
Did you see this proposal? Scouting Barnstarn -- evrik 19:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Not before, but there is a Wiki Merit Badge. For this one, I think the scope should be bigger. See the page you put it on. Rlevse 19:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the award that was created for the Scouting Barnstar should be a topical award. Scouting is a world-wide movement that has served youth in many countries for more than 100 years and represents the youth of the world at the United Nations.
It has been suggested that the award be given as a PUA. The first line on the PUA page reads, "This page provides a collection of awards created by individual Wikipedians." The Scouting Barnstar was created by the WikiProject Scouting.
Currently, the is a discussion going on at Wikipedia_talk:Barnstars#Removed_the_scouting_barnstar. Please comment there if you are interested. evrik 17:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
The debate has raged while I sleep on the other side of the world as usual. I am confused about the difference between the different kinds of barnstars and awards. There seems to be considerable objection to what I think is the topical award. Several Projects have PUAs. If that is the easiest way forward, go for a PUA. Since you convene the project, I suggest you cut through the nonsense and just accept what is possible in the quickest way. Barnstars are no big deal. We all have better things to do. Regards, -- Bduke 21:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I like this page in many ways, but I came away rather confused. I'm not sure who are traditional Scouts. Are they people in the BPSA or the WFIS, or are they people inside BSA, Scouts Canada, etc.? The web links you provided did not really help either. Am I just being dumb as I have just got out of bed? -- Bduke 20:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you find an image without a tag you can add the no source tag to it {{no source|month=January|day=25|year=2006}} and then add this tag to the uploader's talk page: {{subst:Image source|Image:ImageName.jpg}} --~~~~. For more information, see
Wikipedia:Untagged images.
Oh, and thanks for the thanks. I hope I wasn't too blunt when you first joined. It's nice to see your progress. --
JiFish(
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Where can I get a full list of all the various stub templates for scouting? I know the main one, {{scout-stub}} but there are sub category stub templates too I have seen on several pages, just wondering if we have them all listed in one place? -- Naha| (talk) 04:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, User:Robhmac is going wild creating Scout lists, they are being added to AfD as soon as they are created, can you please introduce him to the Project?
1) I am suspending the Bronze Wolf and World Committee stuff for a while, the state article thing seems more imperative right now. I have gone ahead and done three test articles, for anyone to improve, as right now they are just adds-back-in of other articles. I used Alabama 1) as alphabetically first; 2) as it had no links so no one would complain if I moved it; and 3) as a scarcely-visited article, we can test and modify as seems appropriate to us. (As to the clip I borrowed from the controversy page, some states just don't yet have a lot of unique things I know about them, and for that my apologies). I then tried to set an example merging my own Colorado and Hawaii articles into new state pages.
2) please note the vandalism and butchery of Scouting in Canada and Scouts Canada by 207.6.53.202 (I hate anonymous users), as well as Norman Rockwell by 69.37.100.105, have you figured out how to auto-revert, without cutting and pasting? (You see it a lot, reverting vandalism back to version x)
Good night and have a nice weekend, YiS, Chris 03:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted Scouting in Canada as the anon user had just taken out stuff that should be retained. However Scouts Canada is more complicated as the anon user made changes that might need to be kept, although some sections that were removed do need to be put back. -- Bduke 04:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Rlevse 03:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Randy! I have now completed the transition from state list to articles on Scouting in each state. Please help fill in some blanks at Scouting in Virginia! Thanks, YiS, Chris 09:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, did I misunderstand? I thought we were merging Councils into states. Tidewater looks great, truly, but I thought that was the whole point of what I just changed everything to. Please let me know. Chris 18:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, on the BSA main article, it says "Councils, which range in size from two small West Virginia counties (Mountaineer Council) to all of DC and much of Maryland and northern Virginia (National Capital Area Council)."
Are we going by Council membership statistics? (if so, they should be found and highest/lowest chosen)
Are we going by geographic area? If so, then there are two smaller yet councils, only one city-Piedmont Council in California and Greenwich Council in Connecticut-unmergables that have fought BSA to retain their historic place. Then there are ones vaster than NCAC-Aloha Council spreads over much of the earth's surface in the Pacific, and the largest by land area is Transatlantic Council, encompassing most of Europe.
For your perusal. YiS, Chris 00:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I think you should put the template below the article's main infobox/image instead of at the top. It seems to mess up the positioning of infoboxes when placed at directly on top, and I think it looks better just below the images. — TheKMan talk 19:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Regardless, the Portal looks amazing! Nice work! - Rebelguys2 21:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Dear Rlevse, I'm embarrased about my lack of response to your message from two weeks ago. It simply slipped by my attention among another edits at my talk page, and I honestly didn't observe it until now. I see that you have already added your Undisputed (film) article to our WikiFilms project, which is great. Again, I'm sorry for not noticing your message until now, and if I can be of any help to you, please just let me know... I swear I will answer this time! =) Kisses, - Phædriel ♥ tell me - 22:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I voted. ;) -- JohnDBuell 23:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I've fixed the references according to WP:CITE, including inline citations. It would be nice of you if you could provide additional feedback on this nomination. Thank you. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 04:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, I think LARS went overboard in taking out information on the Scouting article, could you give it a look? I am concerned about recent unilateral changes made to articles made by non-project members, would like to know if you have similar trepidation. Chris 19:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America_controversy_and_Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America_controversies_to_.28he_didn.27t_say_what.29 I'll be sure to vote on these issues. Have a good one! Dustimagic *\o/* ( talk/ contribs) *\o/* 21:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Rlevse,
Thanks so very much for supporting the recent FAC of Cheers. It was successful and Cheers has been promoted! I'm looking forward to hopefully getting Cheers on the front page. In the mean time, please accept this Beer as a token of my gratitude.
Cheers! Staxringold 11:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC) (UTC)Randy, I wrote this extensive explanation I left yesterday for you at my talk page, you didn't apparently get it, so I am reprinting it here.
See Bandalag Íslenskra Skáta about a Bronze Wolf. Rlevse 12:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
There's no way to change the link color, unfortunately; it's the default MediaWiki external link color on every portal. —
Kirill Lok
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23:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, sheepish grin, I didn't expect there would be more than one such named famous person. Should we make that into a disambig page? Chris 04:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
My mistake; yes, I meant the BSA Jamboree. It's interesting how little I know about anything outside the BSA and OA. - Pureblade | Θ 17:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
There has been severe deletion on this page by one or more parties. Comments that were made by you, me and others have been removed. Normally, I would just do a typical revert back to the last "known good version" - but there have been new comments/posts since all the deletion - and if I reverted the deletion, it would also remove the new commentary which would also be bad. Removing other people's comments on talk pages is considered vandalism, and I'm not quite sure what to do. Conversations are to be preserved, not deleted, and not vandalized.
I was going to revert back to the last good version and then paste in the new stuff people had added, but I kept getting it all out of order and it was going to turn into a mess :( Deleting other people's comments on talk pages really gets under my skin, even if they are comments from someone else that I disagree with - you just don't mess with that. Any suggestions? -- Naha| (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest find an older page with the comments and save it as a subpage, then mark it as an archive. You are right- talk page comments should not be deleted, just archived as the page fills up. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh Randy, my comment wasn't really about how to report anon users suspected of vandalism etc - I do that all the time. What I was really needing help on was how to revert this particular type of vandalism (where there have been comments made since deletion) without losing other people's new comments. I'm in the process of reporting them now though. Thanks -- Naha| (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not completely sure what you are referring to regarding the high adventure category. However, what I assume you are talking about is the proposed name change. I think "BSA national high adventure bases" is more correct than "BSA National High Adventure Bases" as in most BSA publications it is not capitalized. When I created the category I capitalized it by accident. If you think it is correct as it is then please let me know so I can remove it from the name change list. Thanks and good job with all of the Scouting articles. Dustimagic *\o/* ( talk/ contribs) *\o/* 22:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
AS best I can tell, the bases are administered by the BSA High Adventure division.-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
As I find useful WP guides and templates and such, I've been dumping them into User:Gadget850/Wikipedia. You might find it useful. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I actually have no idea whether the image that I borrowed from USSSP is even ok to post to Wikipedia, and mostly I was hoping that someone could clue me in on that issue. I saw your message, but don't really understand how that works. Please advise. NThurston 16:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again. There is definitely a steep learning curve on this culture which is different than the culture in our in-house Wiki. NThurston 16:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure I get it. The monument (not only the socle) were for airmen vets of the WWI and the Polish-Bolshevik War. The Germans came in 1939 and dismantled the sculpture while leaving the socle. Hence there's no sculpture on the 1942 picture, while there is the sculpture on a 1935 pic and 2001 pic. Does it answer your doubts? Or perhaps it should be reworded? Halibu tt 13:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Your objections with the article have been fixed. -- Fallout boy 22:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 22, 2006 — Very cool! — Rebelguys2 talk 21:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Just curious why FFA falls under the Scouting Portal. I was heavily involved in FFA and Scouting, and do not believe there is an obvious connection. NThurston 22:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I can, but at the moment I am at work and don't have access to the computer that runs syrcatbot. :/ If it can wait until tonight then I can do it, or you might check with User:Kbdank71. He runs the same software, but does it under his account instead of a bot account.
Did you already nominate this for a speedy rename on WP:CFD? I don't know why someone would object, but if you haven't you might post it there and link to the discussion on the scouting project.
Let me know. Thanks! -- Syrthiss 17:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey Rlevse:
Happy to be of assistance. I've been a Girl Scout for 13 years now, worked as a Girl Scout Summer Camp Counselor (in high school) recently joined as a Venturer, and will be working on as the first Space Port Program Director at Camp William B. Snyder in Prince William County, VA in it's inaugural summer. [\ http://www.boyscouts-ncac.org/pages/18_camp_william_b_snyder.cfm.\ Camp William B. Synder].
I have earned my Gold Award, and was somewhat bemused to see three Eagle Scout User boxes, yet no Gold Award. :) To be honest, I want to find an actual image of the Gold Award it self, then the Girl Scout Logo which is the current image. I'm thinking about to sending an email to some Girl Scout colleagues in the Girl Scout Council of the Nation's Capital about image usage for the Gold Award User box.
If you have any questions, or need some help, fell free to ask. I have access to most of the major Girl Scout handbooks.
Zidel333 03:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Do you have a 3-bead image? If so, I would like to create a userbox for Wood Badge Staffers. NThurston 17:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I checked at home, and no, I do not have a 3-bead image. Rlevse 11:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I've retagged this image. You placed a {{ pd-self}} tag on this image. This image is a derivative work of Image:OA-logo.jpg, and thus it is not public domain. The {{ logo}} tag applies. As a consequence, this image's use in {{ User Arrowman}} is not allowed under the terms of fair use. I have removed the image from the template. -- Durin 20:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding: User:207.200.116.70, I commented here as to them only having 2 edits today. This IP appears to belong to a dynamic proxitized host, AOL. I did watch the use contribs for a few mins, and did provide (via the delisting comment) that they may be relisted if persisting for action. Test templates and WP:AIV are GREAT tools, and had they had more then the two edits today I would have blocked. xaosflux Talk/ CVU 03:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think we have a formal "Featured Portal Director" yet, but Cyberjunkie has been promoting them so far. You might want to leave him a message, since I'm not sure how often he checks the candidate page. — Kirill Lokshin 16:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at Durin's edits today, especially what he did to userboxes. He's on a "fair use in userboxes" campaign. I noticed your exchange with James S. over the {{:tl:Template:User_former_BSA}}. Can you explain how it's okay to use this image and not the ones Durin removed from userboxes? It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Rlevse 19:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I subst.'d the 4 userboxes I had after noticing a massive purge affecting other editors userpages. If you want to move the Philmont one, that would be fine (I was considering moving it to my user namespace but am a little confused about whats going on). L1AM ( talk - 'tribs.) 11:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the proper process to complain about userboxes done with a user's own code (not a template from a userbox page) that is POV and slams a group? Specifically, check out User:Liftarn. He's made his own "Unamerican" and "America is a police state" boxes. I highly doubt asking him to remove them will be successful. I can't find these on the userbox pages--his page has it's own code. Rlevse 16:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
You blocked 194.66.199.249, but there is not blocked tag on his/her talk page. Could you add one? Thanks for blocking this repeat vandal. Rlevse 15:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Protecting the main page FA is a horrible idea, IMO. It is policy to never protect anything on the main page. The reason is that we wish to encourage people to edit. When someone who is new comes here, the first thing that they will probably click on is the main page. If they find that they can't edit it, they will get put off from Wikis. There are people who are deveoted to vandal fighting. We have mulitple IRC channels wiht bots which report suspicious edits. Protecting the main page FA is un-wiki and creates worse problems than you seem to think it solves. The main page FA has multiple people watching it at any given times. There are other ... which would be much harder to keep track of. — WAvegetarian TALK CONTRIBS EMAIL 19:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Vandalising the Featured Article for the day is never a good idea. The vandal placed himself on watch for that action alone. He's gone for a 24 hour period. Let me know if they return using another ip. Thanks for your alert. -- Longhair 22:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I am sure there are many people out there that know much more that me, and was hoping for someone else to adopt it. I couldn't find a place for "articles that need adoptive parents" so I thought that perhaps someone would see it there. If there is a better place, please move it, but let me know so I can get it right next time. Thanks. NThurston 23:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Check the Bart Simpson bit added to the spoof mb section of our mb article. What do you think? I have mixed feelings about if it belongs there. YIS,Randy Rlevse 18:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia began as an open effort to create an encyclopedia of the people, by the people, for the people. Sadly, its bureaucracy has put an end to those goals. To this end, we must promote a peaceful revolution to reform it. We must eliminate the undue influence of certain people and remake Wikipedia as a people's encyclopedia. We, the reformers, are led by TJWhite who endured only briefly before suffering an indefinite block. Visit his user page to see our ideology, roughly outlined. I for one do not condone his call to vandalism. Instead, by using the power of the people, we can reform wikipedia. Join us to recreate an encyclopedia where all are equal; an encyclopedia that does not strive to become Brittannica, but rather seeks to be a one of kind encyclopedia for all of the people of the world. Please pass this message in some form to as many people as you can. Secondly, petition for the unblock of TJWhite, the one who began our glorious movement. Finally, link to his page from your user page and express your sentiments for reform on your page. Thank You, fellow wikipedians. LaRevolution 15:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't really mind which title the page is at, but your last move has broken some redirects by creating double ones. For example, Baden-Powell now redirects to Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell which redirects to the article. When you move a page, you are promtped to check for double redirects, so please do so when you move pages in the future. JRawle 14:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
RE: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of BSA local Order of the Arrow (OA) lodges
I have nominated Cub Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) for a peer review, and I welcome your comments. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Umm... Chris 02:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I didn't see Ed's change, what concerned me was the interesting melange of English and whatever, and the attempt to tell the whole history of Scouting on that page by the vigorous but unWikified user. Chris 01:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rlevse, Thanks for your note, I have come to have a lot of confidence in your sense of reason and fairness. No, we have no problems you and I, but the topic is explosive and it drives people to a high pitch. Nevertheless, I am very heartened by the way things are going, minor hitches and all, and I think that we will reach a workable solution. If I was not endlessly optimistic I would not be here doing this work. I for one feel enriched by the process - I come thinking to teach but end up learning instead. Be well, Haiduc 05:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
What are you doing? Coffeeboy 15:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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You might want to put this on your user page instead. -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 17:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment on the article. Indeed, the justices ruling in the case did find that her gender and ethnicity were factors in her reception of an unfair trial. For more information about why, you can follow the external links or check out the texts used as references from your local library. If you feel that the article is written from a certain point of view, feel free to point out how and why on the talk page, and then to improve it yourself. I also welcome criticisms on my talkpage.-- Rockero 04:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello again Rlevse. There seems to be some confusion about what goes on a person's user page and what goes on their talk page. Generally, Wikipedians use their user pages to describe themselves, their interests, and to gloat about their contributions. Of course, they are free to use the namespace anyway they see fit (within certain limits). A person's talk page, on the other hand, is generally used by members of the community other than the user him/herself to ask questions, make comments, ask for advice, request arbitration, et cetera. In line with this standard, I have moved your comment on the Yvonne Wanrow article from my user page to my talk page. You may want to split up the content on your talk page between your talk and user pages, but of course that is your prerogative. Just a friendly FYI.-- Rockero 18:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction! I'm glad somebody double-checked me on that. I think an article on Merit Badge Collecting would be interesting (I didn't know people collected merit badges), but merging the list would be a bad idea. The list is plenty long to stand alone, and I think it's useful as a separate entity. Tuf-Kat 05:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, like I said, it's too bad that these things didn't come out during Peer Review. But at least these are valid, concrete and specific suggestions that can easily be worked on. -- JohnDBuell 15:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The reason it is not showing up on the search is probably because it is very new. Give it a few more days. I used a bit of external software to count it for you. I make the wikicode 25,891 bytes. The HTML document will probably be somewhat bigger. I looks featured quality to me. Good luck with that. :) -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 21:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Contributions are welcome, but Stax calling his me crazy is highly inappropriate. He's the one that made a personal attack, not me. He's is definitely in need of 'keeping it cool' Rlevse 12:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, there. You found my name, not that it's very difficult to find - stalking much? ;) I'm kidding, of course. As for editing out comments: you never, ever touch somebody else's comments until they have said that the problem has been resolved. Even then, it's best to create a archive page. If you'll see the FA review for The West Wing (television) here, you'll see that someone created an archive page by adding "/SolvedIssuesArchive1" to the end of the URL and linking to it from the main page, and copying and pasted the resolved issues only into that page. Good luck. - Rebelguys2 14:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd be glad to. I'm in the middle of final exams, which is the only reason it's 10:30 AM and I haven't been to bed yet, so I'll probably be around at completely random times for the next week or two. Good luck! - Rebelguys2 16:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Howdy. By using the tool found
here, you can find out more about your edits than you ever cared to know, probably.
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20:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Regarding the Examples of merit badge changes subsection of Merit badge types (BSA): It now just looks like an unbulleted list to me. Have you considered just rewriting all of it into one single paragraph? -- JohnDBuell 17:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
If it was an image that suddenly appeared where one of your existing images SHOULD have been, then it was the image itself that was vandalized and not your page and its text itself. It sounds as if an administrator may have caught and restored the appropriate image. -- JohnDBuell 21:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I didn't get your messages until today. Sorry about that. For future, if you can't get hold of anyone who can help you, you can try Wikipedia:Help Desk. For information on templates, you can check out Help:Template. -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 16:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey there - I suggest what be done about the lists is like this:
Instead of:
have this : blah 1, etc 2, note 3.
Thats usually the kind of thing I do - good luck with getting your article featured. — Wackymacs 21:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Blah 1, these are unusual kinds of blah; etc 2, the most prominent... Semi-colons are good ;)
Wackymacs 10:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite to participate in the FAC. I am going to be offline for the next week, so I will not ba able to participate (getting married will do that to a guy). -- Gadget850 14:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I read your comment about the /temp page, and added another suggestion to it, as someone mentioned under the FAC how there shouldn't be a reliance on 'mouseover'. -- JohnDBuell 16:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I tried to explain the Lion King image. Here's my source for it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110357/trivia. There are also a few websites, like this one ( http://www.lionking.org/movies/) that offer downloads of the scene. If I could, I'd put that in there, but something tells me it's a MAJOR copyright violation. (I think the streaming Quicktime is the only available one at present) Palm_Dogg 19:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Good stuff. I found out about the "humor" merit badges at http://www.streamwood.net/cat568.htm. And, while I am still on merit badges, I like to present you with the Good Article Writing Merit Badge for the great work you have done on this article. Zach (Smack Back) 19:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Rlevse, you have done some outstanding work on this article and I commend you for that! I will continue to watch the article's progression and help in any way that I can. All of the recent suggestions on the FAC page in regards to how the article should progress have my head spinning because there are so many of them hehe. At this point I'm not completely sure which suggestions I agree or disagree with. If you want me to check anything or help in any way (with this article or any other one) - let me know, I would be happy too. You are a great editor, keep it up as time permits :) -- Naha| (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Got one for you-what the heck is this thing really? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7735203216&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 YiS, Chris 21:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
There's a good reason the image on the Eagle Scout template was changed. I totally agree with your insights, but we can't change it back - I've posted more on the template's talk page. - Rebelguys2 19:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry too much about getting every last person to change their vote - some people simply won't come back, and administrators will take into account that you've satisfied objections without any new responses. Nixie has been around a long time and is a very tough, yet clear-headed and helpful individual - I think he's just looking for the article name change, which should be a very quick change to make. Tuf-kat and Tony, however, I haven't worked much with before. The latter's prose objections can always be an issue - there's always room for improvement, however subjective. He makes some good suggestions, and the article could use a good copyedit, but a handful of naysayers at this article's close isn't going to hurt anything if you've responded sufficiently to specific complaints. Tsavage always has a long list of possible improvements to FA candidates; I think that, in this case, his objections can be resolved simply by clarifying the scope and focus of this article - "merit badge types."
He seems to want more information here, less information there, and so on. I can see where he's going, and your problem is that this article isn't clear and very tightly written to emphasize that the primary focus are the sections about the actual, physical badges.
I probably won't get around to it tonight, but I'll get around to finely going through the article soon. I'm looking at a rewrite of the lead section, as well as massive copyediting throughout the body. As a side note - I don't understand the need for the table with the "Botany" merit badges. I can see that it's there to compare the two types of badge, but why did we suddenly get so specific here? Why couldn't we just use Botany badges for the main Type F and Type G boxes? I hesitated to bring it up on the main FAC page as I wasn't sure if I was missing something there.
Happy New Year! - Rebelguys2 02:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
We may want to re-reconsider using Merit Badge Design History (BSA) as an article title, and one of the sections could be "Collecting different generations of merit badges" - I think this would meet some of the objections for clarifying what the article actually IS or ISN'T about. Just my $0.02. And Happy New Year! -- JohnDBuell 03:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
If we use the word DESIGN in the title, people may confuse it with the motif rather than the basic badge type. I see where this argument is coming from, but i just haven't thought of a just the right title. This is why I suggested waiting awhile before we settle on one; definitely after most copyediting is done. I think part of this comes from it starting out as including more collecting info and then we took it out. However, at this point, I strongly feel all sections should stay in. I thought about removing the Botany F&G section.
HAPPY NEW YEAR (I guess us three aren't the party animal types -;) Rlevse 03:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'll be getting around to it sometime after the dust has settled from the name change and such. - Rebelguys2 19:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey guys, had fun working with you all on the Merit Badge history article ...if there is anything else I can do there, or on any of the other BSA (or other) articles in this series or anywhere else let me know. Its really nice working with folks who communicate well and take constructive criticism ..constructively and do not become defensive about it hehe :) I kind of lost track of where we are with the BSA "project" ..so again, feel free to fill me in or ask for help with anything ..I'll be happy to TRY :) -- Naha| (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
((old link)) Brother, I want to share this with you, but didn't think it would be right just to add it to your userpage without asking you. Chris 04:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
ps-Randy please e-mail me Chris 06:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
<Looking at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Titles (MoS), I would believe that scout, scouter and scouting should be capitilized only when used as a title or as part of the group name. On the other hand, BSA appears to capitilize all uses of scout. On the gripping hand, would scout be capitilzed when refering to a non WOSM scout? I would tend to go with the MoS useage for Wikipedia entries. -- Gadget850 16:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Change of mind. Per The Language of Scouting:
-- Gadget850 20:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
The problem with the Henry Fonda lies in it's extensive use of numbered URL links. To comply with the Manual of Style, these links should be converted to footnotes. One of the quirks of WP footnotes is that the references get numbered in line with those links, but the actual notes start with 1. While you can manually set the number in the footnote, it's a hassle if anyone adds more links. We could go in and convert those 18 links to footnotes, but it is a pain (I've done this before). I would recommend that you let it stand for now: someone who is really interested in the article will fix it.
BTW, footnotes should go under a ==Notes== section.
dab is short for disambiguation. The original link was Eagle Scout, which leads to a disambiguation page; I changed it to Eagle Scout which now goes directly to the proper page. I've been doing this as I find it. -- Gadget850 16:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
After reading footnotes again, there is no preference for footnotes or embedded links. It looks like the recommendation is to use the style already in use in an existing article. -- Gadget850 18:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I think footnotes work better, but it seems to be a matter of preference. -- Gadget850 18:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I have mixed feelings about designating on the Eagle Scouts list which Eagles are also NESA recipents since it's a politicaly motivated award really.
I would perfer a seperate list be made of people who also have the NESA.
grazon 22:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
After seeing Michael S. Dukakis on the list of DESA (not NESA that was a mistake) recipents I have decided you are right about it not being politicaly motivated.
grazon 23:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Please indicate suggestions from the articles you start as self-nom - it reduces our work load ;-) -- Gurubrahma 08:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes: That's a capital idea. There are any number of things to do that should be co-ordinated. I'm on Woodbadge staff this year, so I've been thinking of adding some stuff.
As far as renaming the rank articles, we need a consensus on keeping the individual articles, or keeping List of BSA rank requirements ( talk). I could easily go either way on this one.
I'm going to be traveling next week, so my contributions are going to be spotty. The next week I will be recovering from some minor surgery and will be bored to tears. -- Gadget850 21:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone started a discussion on this yet? -- Gadget850 15:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! Maybe we could suggest this as an Eagle Project to someone? ;) Nah, probably not.... -- JohnDBuell 18:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I just uploaded a higher quality picture for the infobox. The last one, when automatically re-demensioned to fit the info-box template, became distorted hehe. -- Naha| (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. The phto in the Undisputed (film) article is distorted too. Generally I try to find larger picture, rather than a smaller one because they don't really get distorted if they are shrunk, but when they get blown up ..that tends to happen. You might try this one. -- Naha| (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about this and for listing my name. I would be very glad to help in this effort to improve BSA articles. Have a nice day! Dustimagic *\o/* ( talk/ contribs) *\o/* 22:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes: I just saw that also. I was going to revert it and refer to the Notability section on the Talk page. I'm not happy the guy is a bank robber, but it is what it is. I did the Google test because the Brescia article was so skimpy, and it did pass: He's an Eagle. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment on Cheers' FAC! I ref'ed the Portnoy link, and hope Cheers can garner your eventual support vote! :) Staxringold 18:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Not only is "WB" scouting only, it's BSA only! Stick to your guns. :) -- JohnDBuell 20:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the category changes - I believe the system is hierarchical - picture it like a family tree - so "Wood Badger Wikipedians" is a subset of the "Scouting and Guiding members" category (and they're actually linked to each other), so there's no need to list it in both places. I don't really know much about Guiding, so I don't know what to say, but I think that's what the disagreement was about. - Rebelguys2 00:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
John: Wood Badge is used in more than just the USA. I know that the UK and Australia have it, and there are probably more. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC) WB is used in many countries around the world. See msg on Gadget's talk page. Rlevse 13:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have moved this page into the Wikipedia: namespace, where all pages that are not directly encyclopaedia content are placed. Cheers, [[Sam Korn]] 14:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Rle, you are doing a great job moving everything from our collaboration page to the Wikiproject page and reformatting it to a useable form etc. Keep up the good work. Earlier today I started digging through the 'pedia trying to tag Scouting articles with the {{ScoutingWikiProject}} template. I got quite a few of them but there are still a hell of a lot left out there I know. I'll continue doing this the next few days, it will give us a handle on what articles are already out there. I read through some of the ones I was tagging - there are A LOT of World Scouting articles that seem, incorrectly, BSA-centric that we will have to work on. And there are A LOT of Scouting articles that need a lot of restructuring, formatting and basically an all-around over-haul because their quality is so poor. Hopefully, this new Project will help us find more interested users to aid us with the large task ahead. Keep up the good work! -- Naha| (talk) 21:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking my Follow Me, Boys! note and running with it, that's great! I had forgotten Kurt Russell was in it.
And finally, congratulations on your merit badge article success! Your brother in Scouting, Chris 23:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
ps-Randy, check out User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop/Gallery of Scout and Guide national emblems, and see if the idea has merit. YiS Chris 22:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
pps-give a look at how Template:WikiProject Indiana links to all articles just by the addition of the template, would that be desirable? It seems like it might be positive. Chris 22:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
-- Gurubrahma 19:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Finally! Yay! Third time's a charm I guess? -- JohnDBuell 20:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
After the first Merit Badge Collecting title, we renamed it to Merit Badge Types - so did Raul allow it to stay up there the WHOLE time while all the kinks were worked out? I'm IMPRESSED. -- JohnDBuell 21:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your Featured Article! I went ahead and removed your addition to the dab on top of Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America); while it's good news, articles should never disambiguate to, refer to, or even mention anything Wikipedia-related, unless the article itself is Wikipedia-related. Regardless, congratulations again! - Rebelguys2 23:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on the Featured Article! You have worked very hard on this and other Scouting articles and it shows :) Congrats also on the barnstar! -- Naha| (talk) 04:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I reworked the criteria for Talk:List of Eagle Scouts a bit. Take a look at: User:Gadget850/Sandbox2. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I like that! We're adopting it. Rlevse 17:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. We should do something similar for any article that needs some sort of specific guideline. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Please check out my comments here about the United Nations. evrik 17:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Are you going to be upset if I add this language, or a version of it back into the pages in question?
Did you see this proposal? Scouting Barnstarn -- evrik 19:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Not before, but there is a Wiki Merit Badge. For this one, I think the scope should be bigger. See the page you put it on. Rlevse 19:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the award that was created for the Scouting Barnstar should be a topical award. Scouting is a world-wide movement that has served youth in many countries for more than 100 years and represents the youth of the world at the United Nations.
It has been suggested that the award be given as a PUA. The first line on the PUA page reads, "This page provides a collection of awards created by individual Wikipedians." The Scouting Barnstar was created by the WikiProject Scouting.
Currently, the is a discussion going on at Wikipedia_talk:Barnstars#Removed_the_scouting_barnstar. Please comment there if you are interested. evrik 17:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
The debate has raged while I sleep on the other side of the world as usual. I am confused about the difference between the different kinds of barnstars and awards. There seems to be considerable objection to what I think is the topical award. Several Projects have PUAs. If that is the easiest way forward, go for a PUA. Since you convene the project, I suggest you cut through the nonsense and just accept what is possible in the quickest way. Barnstars are no big deal. We all have better things to do. Regards, -- Bduke 21:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I like this page in many ways, but I came away rather confused. I'm not sure who are traditional Scouts. Are they people in the BPSA or the WFIS, or are they people inside BSA, Scouts Canada, etc.? The web links you provided did not really help either. Am I just being dumb as I have just got out of bed? -- Bduke 20:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you find an image without a tag you can add the no source tag to it {{no source|month=January|day=25|year=2006}} and then add this tag to the uploader's talk page: {{subst:Image source|Image:ImageName.jpg}} --~~~~. For more information, see
Wikipedia:Untagged images.
Oh, and thanks for the thanks. I hope I wasn't too blunt when you first joined. It's nice to see your progress. --
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Where can I get a full list of all the various stub templates for scouting? I know the main one, {{scout-stub}} but there are sub category stub templates too I have seen on several pages, just wondering if we have them all listed in one place? -- Naha| (talk) 04:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, User:Robhmac is going wild creating Scout lists, they are being added to AfD as soon as they are created, can you please introduce him to the Project?
1) I am suspending the Bronze Wolf and World Committee stuff for a while, the state article thing seems more imperative right now. I have gone ahead and done three test articles, for anyone to improve, as right now they are just adds-back-in of other articles. I used Alabama 1) as alphabetically first; 2) as it had no links so no one would complain if I moved it; and 3) as a scarcely-visited article, we can test and modify as seems appropriate to us. (As to the clip I borrowed from the controversy page, some states just don't yet have a lot of unique things I know about them, and for that my apologies). I then tried to set an example merging my own Colorado and Hawaii articles into new state pages.
2) please note the vandalism and butchery of Scouting in Canada and Scouts Canada by 207.6.53.202 (I hate anonymous users), as well as Norman Rockwell by 69.37.100.105, have you figured out how to auto-revert, without cutting and pasting? (You see it a lot, reverting vandalism back to version x)
Good night and have a nice weekend, YiS, Chris 03:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted Scouting in Canada as the anon user had just taken out stuff that should be retained. However Scouts Canada is more complicated as the anon user made changes that might need to be kept, although some sections that were removed do need to be put back. -- Bduke 04:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Rlevse 03:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Randy! I have now completed the transition from state list to articles on Scouting in each state. Please help fill in some blanks at Scouting in Virginia! Thanks, YiS, Chris 09:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, did I misunderstand? I thought we were merging Councils into states. Tidewater looks great, truly, but I thought that was the whole point of what I just changed everything to. Please let me know. Chris 18:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, on the BSA main article, it says "Councils, which range in size from two small West Virginia counties (Mountaineer Council) to all of DC and much of Maryland and northern Virginia (National Capital Area Council)."
Are we going by Council membership statistics? (if so, they should be found and highest/lowest chosen)
Are we going by geographic area? If so, then there are two smaller yet councils, only one city-Piedmont Council in California and Greenwich Council in Connecticut-unmergables that have fought BSA to retain their historic place. Then there are ones vaster than NCAC-Aloha Council spreads over much of the earth's surface in the Pacific, and the largest by land area is Transatlantic Council, encompassing most of Europe.
For your perusal. YiS, Chris 00:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I think you should put the template below the article's main infobox/image instead of at the top. It seems to mess up the positioning of infoboxes when placed at directly on top, and I think it looks better just below the images. — TheKMan talk 19:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Regardless, the Portal looks amazing! Nice work! - Rebelguys2 21:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Dear Rlevse, I'm embarrased about my lack of response to your message from two weeks ago. It simply slipped by my attention among another edits at my talk page, and I honestly didn't observe it until now. I see that you have already added your Undisputed (film) article to our WikiFilms project, which is great. Again, I'm sorry for not noticing your message until now, and if I can be of any help to you, please just let me know... I swear I will answer this time! =) Kisses, - Phædriel ♥ tell me - 22:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I voted. ;) -- JohnDBuell 23:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I've fixed the references according to WP:CITE, including inline citations. It would be nice of you if you could provide additional feedback on this nomination. Thank you. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 04:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Randy, I think LARS went overboard in taking out information on the Scouting article, could you give it a look? I am concerned about recent unilateral changes made to articles made by non-project members, would like to know if you have similar trepidation. Chris 19:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America_controversy_and_Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America_controversies_to_.28he_didn.27t_say_what.29 I'll be sure to vote on these issues. Have a good one! Dustimagic *\o/* ( talk/ contribs) *\o/* 21:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Rlevse,
Thanks so very much for supporting the recent FAC of Cheers. It was successful and Cheers has been promoted! I'm looking forward to hopefully getting Cheers on the front page. In the mean time, please accept this Beer as a token of my gratitude.
Cheers! Staxringold 11:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC) (UTC)Randy, I wrote this extensive explanation I left yesterday for you at my talk page, you didn't apparently get it, so I am reprinting it here.
See Bandalag Íslenskra Skáta about a Bronze Wolf. Rlevse 12:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
There's no way to change the link color, unfortunately; it's the default MediaWiki external link color on every portal. —
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Okay, sheepish grin, I didn't expect there would be more than one such named famous person. Should we make that into a disambig page? Chris 04:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
My mistake; yes, I meant the BSA Jamboree. It's interesting how little I know about anything outside the BSA and OA. - Pureblade | Θ 17:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
There has been severe deletion on this page by one or more parties. Comments that were made by you, me and others have been removed. Normally, I would just do a typical revert back to the last "known good version" - but there have been new comments/posts since all the deletion - and if I reverted the deletion, it would also remove the new commentary which would also be bad. Removing other people's comments on talk pages is considered vandalism, and I'm not quite sure what to do. Conversations are to be preserved, not deleted, and not vandalized.
I was going to revert back to the last good version and then paste in the new stuff people had added, but I kept getting it all out of order and it was going to turn into a mess :( Deleting other people's comments on talk pages really gets under my skin, even if they are comments from someone else that I disagree with - you just don't mess with that. Any suggestions? -- Naha| (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest find an older page with the comments and save it as a subpage, then mark it as an archive. You are right- talk page comments should not be deleted, just archived as the page fills up. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh Randy, my comment wasn't really about how to report anon users suspected of vandalism etc - I do that all the time. What I was really needing help on was how to revert this particular type of vandalism (where there have been comments made since deletion) without losing other people's new comments. I'm in the process of reporting them now though. Thanks -- Naha| (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not completely sure what you are referring to regarding the high adventure category. However, what I assume you are talking about is the proposed name change. I think "BSA national high adventure bases" is more correct than "BSA National High Adventure Bases" as in most BSA publications it is not capitalized. When I created the category I capitalized it by accident. If you think it is correct as it is then please let me know so I can remove it from the name change list. Thanks and good job with all of the Scouting articles. Dustimagic *\o/* ( talk/ contribs) *\o/* 22:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
AS best I can tell, the bases are administered by the BSA High Adventure division.-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
As I find useful WP guides and templates and such, I've been dumping them into User:Gadget850/Wikipedia. You might find it useful. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I actually have no idea whether the image that I borrowed from USSSP is even ok to post to Wikipedia, and mostly I was hoping that someone could clue me in on that issue. I saw your message, but don't really understand how that works. Please advise. NThurston 16:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again. There is definitely a steep learning curve on this culture which is different than the culture in our in-house Wiki. NThurston 16:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure I get it. The monument (not only the socle) were for airmen vets of the WWI and the Polish-Bolshevik War. The Germans came in 1939 and dismantled the sculpture while leaving the socle. Hence there's no sculpture on the 1942 picture, while there is the sculpture on a 1935 pic and 2001 pic. Does it answer your doubts? Or perhaps it should be reworded? Halibu tt 13:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Your objections with the article have been fixed. -- Fallout boy 22:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 22, 2006 — Very cool! — Rebelguys2 talk 21:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Just curious why FFA falls under the Scouting Portal. I was heavily involved in FFA and Scouting, and do not believe there is an obvious connection. NThurston 22:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I can, but at the moment I am at work and don't have access to the computer that runs syrcatbot. :/ If it can wait until tonight then I can do it, or you might check with User:Kbdank71. He runs the same software, but does it under his account instead of a bot account.
Did you already nominate this for a speedy rename on WP:CFD? I don't know why someone would object, but if you haven't you might post it there and link to the discussion on the scouting project.
Let me know. Thanks! -- Syrthiss 17:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey Rlevse:
Happy to be of assistance. I've been a Girl Scout for 13 years now, worked as a Girl Scout Summer Camp Counselor (in high school) recently joined as a Venturer, and will be working on as the first Space Port Program Director at Camp William B. Snyder in Prince William County, VA in it's inaugural summer. [\ http://www.boyscouts-ncac.org/pages/18_camp_william_b_snyder.cfm.\ Camp William B. Synder].
I have earned my Gold Award, and was somewhat bemused to see three Eagle Scout User boxes, yet no Gold Award. :) To be honest, I want to find an actual image of the Gold Award it self, then the Girl Scout Logo which is the current image. I'm thinking about to sending an email to some Girl Scout colleagues in the Girl Scout Council of the Nation's Capital about image usage for the Gold Award User box.
If you have any questions, or need some help, fell free to ask. I have access to most of the major Girl Scout handbooks.
Zidel333 03:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Do you have a 3-bead image? If so, I would like to create a userbox for Wood Badge Staffers. NThurston 17:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I checked at home, and no, I do not have a 3-bead image. Rlevse 11:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I've retagged this image. You placed a {{ pd-self}} tag on this image. This image is a derivative work of Image:OA-logo.jpg, and thus it is not public domain. The {{ logo}} tag applies. As a consequence, this image's use in {{ User Arrowman}} is not allowed under the terms of fair use. I have removed the image from the template. -- Durin 20:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding: User:207.200.116.70, I commented here as to them only having 2 edits today. This IP appears to belong to a dynamic proxitized host, AOL. I did watch the use contribs for a few mins, and did provide (via the delisting comment) that they may be relisted if persisting for action. Test templates and WP:AIV are GREAT tools, and had they had more then the two edits today I would have blocked. xaosflux Talk/ CVU 03:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think we have a formal "Featured Portal Director" yet, but Cyberjunkie has been promoting them so far. You might want to leave him a message, since I'm not sure how often he checks the candidate page. — Kirill Lokshin 16:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at Durin's edits today, especially what he did to userboxes. He's on a "fair use in userboxes" campaign. I noticed your exchange with James S. over the {{:tl:Template:User_former_BSA}}. Can you explain how it's okay to use this image and not the ones Durin removed from userboxes? It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Rlevse 19:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I subst.'d the 4 userboxes I had after noticing a massive purge affecting other editors userpages. If you want to move the Philmont one, that would be fine (I was considering moving it to my user namespace but am a little confused about whats going on). L1AM ( talk - 'tribs.) 11:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the proper process to complain about userboxes done with a user's own code (not a template from a userbox page) that is POV and slams a group? Specifically, check out User:Liftarn. He's made his own "Unamerican" and "America is a police state" boxes. I highly doubt asking him to remove them will be successful. I can't find these on the userbox pages--his page has it's own code. Rlevse 16:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
You blocked 194.66.199.249, but there is not blocked tag on his/her talk page. Could you add one? Thanks for blocking this repeat vandal. Rlevse 15:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Protecting the main page FA is a horrible idea, IMO. It is policy to never protect anything on the main page. The reason is that we wish to encourage people to edit. When someone who is new comes here, the first thing that they will probably click on is the main page. If they find that they can't edit it, they will get put off from Wikis. There are people who are deveoted to vandal fighting. We have mulitple IRC channels wiht bots which report suspicious edits. Protecting the main page FA is un-wiki and creates worse problems than you seem to think it solves. The main page FA has multiple people watching it at any given times. There are other ... which would be much harder to keep track of. — WAvegetarian TALK CONTRIBS EMAIL 19:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Vandalising the Featured Article for the day is never a good idea. The vandal placed himself on watch for that action alone. He's gone for a 24 hour period. Let me know if they return using another ip. Thanks for your alert. -- Longhair 22:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I am sure there are many people out there that know much more that me, and was hoping for someone else to adopt it. I couldn't find a place for "articles that need adoptive parents" so I thought that perhaps someone would see it there. If there is a better place, please move it, but let me know so I can get it right next time. Thanks. NThurston 23:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Check the Bart Simpson bit added to the spoof mb section of our mb article. What do you think? I have mixed feelings about if it belongs there. YIS,Randy Rlevse 18:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia began as an open effort to create an encyclopedia of the people, by the people, for the people. Sadly, its bureaucracy has put an end to those goals. To this end, we must promote a peaceful revolution to reform it. We must eliminate the undue influence of certain people and remake Wikipedia as a people's encyclopedia. We, the reformers, are led by TJWhite who endured only briefly before suffering an indefinite block. Visit his user page to see our ideology, roughly outlined. I for one do not condone his call to vandalism. Instead, by using the power of the people, we can reform wikipedia. Join us to recreate an encyclopedia where all are equal; an encyclopedia that does not strive to become Brittannica, but rather seeks to be a one of kind encyclopedia for all of the people of the world. Please pass this message in some form to as many people as you can. Secondly, petition for the unblock of TJWhite, the one who began our glorious movement. Finally, link to his page from your user page and express your sentiments for reform on your page. Thank You, fellow wikipedians. LaRevolution 15:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't really mind which title the page is at, but your last move has broken some redirects by creating double ones. For example, Baden-Powell now redirects to Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell which redirects to the article. When you move a page, you are promtped to check for double redirects, so please do so when you move pages in the future. JRawle 14:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
RE: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of BSA local Order of the Arrow (OA) lodges
I have nominated Cub Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) for a peer review, and I welcome your comments. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Umm... Chris 02:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I didn't see Ed's change, what concerned me was the interesting melange of English and whatever, and the attempt to tell the whole history of Scouting on that page by the vigorous but unWikified user. Chris 01:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rlevse, Thanks for your note, I have come to have a lot of confidence in your sense of reason and fairness. No, we have no problems you and I, but the topic is explosive and it drives people to a high pitch. Nevertheless, I am very heartened by the way things are going, minor hitches and all, and I think that we will reach a workable solution. If I was not endlessly optimistic I would not be here doing this work. I for one feel enriched by the process - I come thinking to teach but end up learning instead. Be well, Haiduc 05:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
What are you doing? Coffeeboy 15:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)