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I don't care if you altered it, that's fine. I just really need to learn everything bout Wiki. Oh I just realized you deleted it. Why do you keep deleting it? Why do people feel the need to protect America from very REAL problems. Unsigned comment by User:Klutzulmaniack ( talk).

Great work! I would wish you good luck and continued sanity – you're a brave [man] for poking into the outer fringes of the Falun Gong universe! Ohconfucius ( talk) 08:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, could you check out here [1]. There is a dispute over the wording "persecution" vs "banned" over a section on Falun Gong. It's likely to end in an edit war and can you help out a bit? Thanks-- PCPP ( talk) 04:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

On 3 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Brave New Films, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass ( talk) 12:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The ref you just fixed in the infobox broke, the way it did when I tried it. Something weird is happening ... - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Details like that (infobox fix you figured out) are far too close to - ugh - work! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

By the way, is this message a test of how closely we read your Talk page? I will be on a wikibreak from Thursday, October 30 to Monday, October 3 - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the hook a bit. Hope it's better. Thanks for informing me, btw! Bsimmons666 ( talk) ^Friend? 22:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

On 5 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Zebda, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 19:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I was scratching my head trying to figure out how it kept coming back, because I actually removed it three times from various pages including the front page, but someone beat me to it on a couple of pages I think :) Gatoclass ( talk) 03:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I've proposed a further alternative hook for the McLaren M6A article on DYK, which I think combines your concerns while still maintaining the spirit of my original hook. Just a heads up. The359 ( talk) 01:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Your hook is much tighter, and I prefer it, thanks. Ceoil ^sláinte 03:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, clarification is needed. Checking other sources. Ceoil ^sláinte 03:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Its 4.15am here, and I woke about 30 minutes ago and am confused. You were referring to the took, I though the article. Hook ammended. Ceoil ^sláinte 04:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer, Dzongkha actually uses the Tibetan alphabet, so (as far as I know) Tibetan language support should be enough to display Bhutanese names. The standard practice for native versions of proper names seems to be to go ahead and use the Unicode versions (assuming the language has Unicode support), for example in Thimphu, Lhasa, and the text (but not the infoboxes!) of Bhutan and Dzongkha. I tend to agree with this approach, on the theory that sticking to Unicode text is simple and robust, while making up images to display text is a needlessly complicated work-around for the temporary problem of browsers that haven't caught up quite yet. But I am happy to provide the images: , .

Also, I really can't agree that putting foreign language names in an infobox "ruins Wikipedia;" it's one of the most helpful uses of an infobox! Otherwise, the lead of an article often ends up extremely choppy, broken up with many lines of parenthetical notes and alternate spellings that prevent the reader from finding more important information - like what the article is about! Here are a few bad cases: Muhammad, Lavrentiy Beria, Courland, Alexander Lukashenko. -- Amble ( talk) 06:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. It may unfortunately be the case that any long name in Tibetan causes similar problems for browsers that don't support it. Usually, you just get a row of boxes of the same length as the name itself, but Tibetan has various compound letters and instructions for stacking letters up, so I can easily imagine that the row of boxes grows out of control. I have no objection to using images instead, especially if somebody else is willing to take care of it! Let me know if there are any more names you want in SVG. It's just a simple copy & paste for me to create them. -- Amble ( talk) 18:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer. I´ve just intended to support a new user and his/her fine first article ( Zlín International Film Festival for Children and Youth). I added few inline citations and nominated it. Unfortunately, today I´m at work whole day, and my internet access is almost exclusively limited to wikipedia. I can´t find a better hook now. It is a pity. However, thank you for your notice. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 15:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I just created and populated Category:Wikipedia Did you know templates. If you have the time, go through each template and see whether the DYK project still needs them. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 21:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, a lot! Quite honestly, you've done everything and your points make sense - removal of settings, everything. Thanks, and best wishes on your travelings! Yours truly, A _talk 19:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer; I've said this before, and I will say it again, but thanks for all your help. Should I still try and expand the article? Because I can try! By the way, I've taken up on your offer to try and turn Runaways itself into a GA. I'll work on it heavily and peer review it before I nominate it again. Yours truly, A _talk 02:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay! I've added a Style section - I should have done this earlier; I read before that Pride & Joy stood out a mile because it didn't feature any superhero stereotypes. I've also added an extra paragraph to Production. But Reception sort of looks small, and doesn't appear to have a wide range of reviews for Pride & Joy itself, so I guess I should expand it to a length similar to Production. A _talk 22:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, thank you. Quite honestly, I don't know where I'd be if you hadn't helped. Thanks for everything! Best wishes, A _talk 17:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I just realized your willing to actually go buy the issues in order to make the article better. It's only fitting you deserve this barnstar!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your tireless help on improving articles (specifically, all the pages worth of information you gave for Pride & Joy. I'm truly, truly pleased to be the one to give this to you. ;) A talk 22:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I see what you mean. I'll reduce the protection period to 36 hours, then, so that hopefully the vandal will get bored, but it'll open back up for general editing quickly. Thanks for pointing that out; I wasn't looking at the content of the vandalism per se, so I didn't see the resemblance. -- Masamage ♫ 05:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am sure that everyone appreciates the work you're doing. It's just that the edit summary here might have been a little more tactful. With great respect, — BillC ^talk 13:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries, no harm done. I was hoping the the editor would redact the material himself, though he doesn't appear to have done so. I've already turned down one of his DYK summaries recently, which is unfortunate. Anyway, thanks a lot for your reply. Best, — BillC ^talk 16:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

can you finish it off? Victuallers ( talk) 15:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Quite a few hooks volunteer pictures and we only have one pic per set .... so some good pictures have to be sacrificed to make sure the hooks don't wait forever. hope that helps Victuallers ( talk) 20:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer. I didn't mean to step on your toes at the DYK Suggestions. I shouldn't have use a DYK symbol when you had one outstanding that had yet to be resolved. Sorry about that. -- Suntag ☼ 03:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 03:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I have tried in vain to copy and paste or drag and drop the ogg theora file but, I can find no way to copy/paste these files. Can you help me with this issue. The ogg theora file is topsy.ogg, it's Topsy the Elephant, it has it's own webpage. I am trying to copy it to HP Image Zone. I can't copy and paste any of these ogg files. These are the only files I've run into that I can't copy paste, drag and drop, or get any right click command to do anything with it, I can only copy the mpeg file of the shot on screen, not the video file. Thank You Please respond on this page. Thank You Dennishansen1 ( talk) 21:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about those files. Try asking again at the Help Desk, where you asked before. Make sure you explain clearly what the files are, and what you are trying to do with them. Good luck, — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 22:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits to Asher Roth. I left some comments in the DYK discussion. I'm happy to address any remaining concerns. - Boston ( talk) 20:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I responded about Confederate Memorial Gates in Mayfield.-- Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 06:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

On 9 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Daniel Mangeas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your rewriting/DYK efforts Autodidactyl ( talk) 12:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed the wording on James Deshler see how you like it now. Thanks and Have a Great Day! Duke R. Oliver I ^{His Duchy} 15:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Have a Great Day! Duke R. Oliver I ^{His Duchy} 18:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Politzer. Thanks for the note on my talk page. I actually meant the comment about not liking zombie movies as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Most people think zombie movies are utter shlock. For whatever twisted reason, they do appeal to me. As I noted on the DYK page, I have no stake in this particular movie, I just thought it was a good eye-catching hook on an interesting topic. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I saw your edits on Pigs in the City, and I addressed the needs you noted. Lexington Barbecue Festival could use your skills as well. It is a much larger article. I created both, and it is obvious that I wasn't an English major. The info is there and cited well (I believe) and I did the photography as well, but it really could use another set of eyes with a better grasp of proper grammar and layout. If you have the time and choose to, I would be grateful. I moved to Lexington 2 years ago and find their facination with pigs pretty funny. Thanks again. I think this other article is pretty close to being "good" with the right help. DENNIS BROWN ( T) ( C) 22:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• I added a note to dyk. I did a little work to the article Pigs in the City, adding real info and captions. I would obviously be hugely flattered if it made dyk, but not expecting it. I've done over 8k edits but never a dyk. Anyway, thanks. DENNIS BROWN ( T) ( C) 23:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • And added 5 more images. Yes, it has a pretty big gallery now, but it is an article on an arts initiative. DENNIS BROWN ( T) ( C) 00:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Lexington Barbecue Festival looks much better. The OR claims can be met once I clean up the citations and use them properly, they are just buried in the cites which are a mess (needs a complete cite rewrite, which I can do). This really helps, and gives me a better platform to expand the article from. Would love to get it to at least GA quality over the next couple of months. Might even make an interesting FA some day, but then again, I like unusual cultural stuff on the front page. Thanks again for the objective look and fixes. DENNIS BROWN ( T) ( C) 12:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

1. Brilliant work at dyk...well done
2. late hook - I added it to the next one ... its my first use of the bot and I want to keep it low risk so although it might squeeze in, I'd prefer to leave a safety space
3. might be worth mentioning the problem to the bot author as this may happen again
4. cheers Victuallers ( talk) 18:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Re: this revert. It looks like Vancouver has been noticed by the Nimbley6 troll. This troll has an obsession with Scottish topics and flags (among other things), and one of its pet activities is making sure that Socttish twin-towns are in Scotland, and English/Welsh/Northern Irish twin-towns are in the United Kingdom.

My advice is simply to continue to revert on sight. Unfortunately the troll has a dynamic IP address and knows how to use it, so range-blocking - or even basic blocking - aren't effective.

Cheers, This flag once was red ^propaganda _deeds 18:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Politzer, Thanks for reviewing this hook. The interpretation that the facts here are originial research is debatable.

Ref stated as personal communication is actually a public communication:

"You may quote me for the white bison report as it is first-hand and completely authentic."

This ref is not my observation. It was sent to me (secondary source) unsolicited by the primary source, George Rosen, a resident of Kookal, whom, after researching him, I consider reliable, though I've never met or heard from him before.

"This is to inform you that on a weekend in the first week of May 2007 I had taken a couple from Madras trekking and we did see a wild white bison above Manjampatty Valley."

This is verifiable by the couple who were with Mr. Rosen, and also saw the Bison. Granted, the fact has not been published in a peer reviewed journal or even a local newspaper, but I used it in good faith. Though I'm not trying to Ignore all rules, I do agree that:

"The spirit of the rule trumps the letter of the rule. The common purpose of building a free encyclopedia trumps both. If this common purpose is better served by ignoring the letter of a particular rule, then that rule should (may) be ignored."

Only photo or film documentation could be more reliable in this unusual one time observation.

I'm interested in what other well experienced DYK reviewers think on this reference and if it is acceptable for this DYK hook. I will accept and learn from the consensus, Whatever. Marcus ( talk) 01:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think we can add one more non-bio hook to the next batch; I was planning to remove one entry from ITN because TFA is shorter than yesterday, but nevermind. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 06:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, one has been added. Thanks for the note. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 06:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I’ve been working on a lot of ‘’ Dungeons & Dragons’’ articles lately and saw that you have too, and am inviting you to rejoin Wikipedia’s D&D group. I've been hard at work removing tags placed inappropriately on D&D articles, as well as modifying articles to remove tags that were placed legitimately. In addition, I have been compiling related articles together so that the articles are longer, making it easier to remove tags and to have short articles on lesser topics by just putting it into another appropriate article (links to such compiled articles can be found on my userpage). Check out the project here , and ask any questions that you may have here. Thank you for your time. - Drilnoth ( talk) 13:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution to the Wordsworth pages. :) I tend to avoid lead work in general, so if you have any ideas or the rest, feel free. Also, they are a little incomplete (summaries needed on Lucy, the College and Early Career needed on Wordsworth), and I should be able to finish those soon. Ottava Rima ( talk) 14:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

After you grabbed it from the nom list, it appears to have vanished. It isn't in mainspace or in recently featured. Is something wrong? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I spoke too soon, as Cirt just let me know its featured. I should have known better, Never mind; these are not the droids you are looking for... - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

There was no problem, I just felt like splitting them up. Cirt ( talk) 15:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Replied at DYK. Thanks, Bencherlite ^Talk 16:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I responded on the DYK page, but I'd like to repeat it here too please:
Thanks, Politizer. I believed the hook should have been interested for Wikipedia readers, but whatever... I withdraw the nomination. I only would like to add that I enjoyed working on the article and learning something new in the process, and that IMO, if such an interesting matter as Fata Morgana cannot be featured ad DYK, there ought to be something wrong with the rules of DYK nominations. I also hope that Wikipedia readers, who are interested in mirages will find the article without DYK.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 18:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not in any way upset, after all, its only suggestions for DYK and we can't expect every one to be picked. I've had plenty go through in the past and I've got two more still on the list. Regarding the TSV article: TSV Gerbrunn was one of three losers being picked for the German Cup in 2003. What happens is, that the German football association every season awards a place to each regional cup winner, of which there are 21, to enter next years cup competition. Additionally, the three losers from the three largest regional federations also get a spot, to make up the numbers, Bavaria being one of them. What makes Gerbrunn stand out is not the fact, that it advanced as a loser, every year, three clubs do, but the fact that it lost 0–14 and then did the same thing again in the first round of the German Cup, thats very unusual. If you can see how to make something out of it, let me know. If not, no big deal, you win some, you lose some and I'm sure I can get some other bizarre Bavarian football fact on the the front page some other day! Have fun, EA210269 ( talk) 01:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh sorry. Nosebutton ( talk) 04:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ohh my gosh thank you soo much I did not know. Nosebutton ( talk) 04:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

How do you find free images and how do you download them into your article? Also how do you know when an image is free or not? Nosebutton ( talk) 04:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You are a life saver! I don't know what would've happened to my account if I didn't have you point out the things that could've ruined it! Thank you sooo much. So if I need any help or guidance from any user I know who to turn to. Nosebutton ( talk) 05:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I've already taken it to User talk:Cirt. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thank you for explaining everything you did. I replied in full about this on my talk page.

Thanks again. Flyer22 ( talk) 07:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Per the notes I left on the article talk page and DYK suggestions page, it appears you have raised legitimate concerns about conflict of interest. I have left a note for the user (FrankLloydGallery) giving them a chance to respond. Absent clarification, I will withdraw the nomination. I appreciate your diligence in calling this to my attention. Cbl62 ( talk) 08:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Politizer! Can you take a look at this and tell me if it's in any way connected with the post I have made below it? Is it the same hook? If not, forget it :) Thanks. Chamal ^talk 08:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I bet your probably tired of hearing this but I'll say it again:THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! I love how I have all this new information now tht I can use to help me! Thank you soo much Politzer. Nosebutton ( talk) 17:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Politzer Do you know who created the Silence Becomes You article? Because it is the most ridiculouse article ever!

That is true it is kinda like everyones work. Also I think I might look up some info on the film and improve the "article". Nosebutton ( talk) 22:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• Politzer

How are you? I'm fine. Anyways, I made a little summary of Silence Becomes You! It's not that long because I found a plot on Imdb and it wasn't very long. But fear not. I did not write the exact same thing. I put it in my own words. Thank you for the encouragement! Nosebutton ( talk) 22:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Politzer

How do you do that Re:blah blah thing on someones talk page? Do you do something on your talk page and it goes to theirs or do you just write Re:blah blah blah as the title of your comment? Oh and how do you put that little I con on your comment like when you left me the Jessica alba thing there was like a little exclamation mark there or something? Nosebutton ( talk) 23:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

This information is not plagerized, it was written by me, Frank Lloyd. Please stop altering articles that I have posted on the artists I represent. The Frank Lloyd Gallery represents 20 different artists including Peter Shire, Larry Bell, Craig Kauffman, Tony Marsh, Cindy Kolodziejski. Please stop vandalizing the artist pages that I have created. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankLloydGallery ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Now that this discussion is over, I would like to ask that this be removed from your talk page and the COI Noticeboard. It is just housekeeping or cleaning up at this point. Artarch ( talk) 01:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

give me a chance! i was about to add ref-- Jtle515 ( talk) 18:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

there, added ref. and how does yoda get away without one? add ref or delete.-- Jtle515 ( talk) 18:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

and dont be so deletion trigger happy. theres something called "citation needed". use it.-- Jtle515 ( talk) 18:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait a second here. I know forum threads are not always reliable sources of fact, but the information is contained in the content of the forum itself. That policy was obviously meant to discourage people from referencing forum threads where facts are uncheckable, but the "O-Chul Facts" only exist in the forum thread--they are not referencing any source of fact which could be corrupted. This should be a viable exception to the rule against referencing with forum threads, since the spirit of the rule did not account for such a situation.-- Jtle515 ( talk) 19:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

"A topic is...notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources...."

Significant: 13-page thread, check.

Reliable: Original source, no corruption possible, check.-- Jtle515 ( talk) 01:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer, I just wanted to thank you for supporting my DYK review of User:Mbz1's Fata Morgana nomination yesterday. I'm sitting at UTC+2 and was offline when Mbz1 replied to my assessment. Thank you for the kind words. -- Bruce1ee ^talk 07:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about a dab page unless there were three or more individuals by the name. Also, I added some more criticism to qwell any possible notability concerns. This is one of Wordsworth's most anthologized pieces, so it shouldn't be too big of a concern. Anyway, thanks. Ottava Rima ( talk) 22:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I forgot to add - I think the five part nom is more adequate, because it doesn't have any technical issues about the theme. I added a small bit on the Wordsworth early life bio right now to secure "death" as an important theme of the 1799 poems. Its a five part nom, and 8 characters shorter, so it shouldn't have any problems. Ottava Rima ( talk) 22:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Please re-review the article at T:TDYK. I have been ill over the past couple of days, hence my perceived unresponsefullness. ~the editorofthewiki ^{( talk/ contribs/ editor review)}~ 01:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I thought you removed it, and I was too lazy to look through the page history. :( ~the editorofthewiki ^{( talk/ contribs/ editor review)}~ 22:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

HI!Poliltzer,

There was a message ticker of a New message appearing when I opened my Ropar Wetland article just a while ago. But the talk page does not have any message posted in it.Are there any more issues to be addressed on Ropar Wetland? Please let me know if there is problem with my talk page length. -- Nvvchar ( talk) 01:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer. This DYK verification is being discussed here. -- Suntag ☼ 03:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

On 13 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kenyon Athletic Center, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for your contributions! - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 05:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

If the reference is in the linked article, why does it need to be copied into the other article? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 15:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

You don't think Adlai Stevenson is notable? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 16:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Then the Dorothy Parker and Harry Von Zell examples should go too. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 16:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. (People who don't do anything don't make mistakes). No apology required. Victuallers ( talk) 18:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Please check again. Cheers. CeeGee ( talk) 19:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer. Thanks for redirecting my template to the template-space one. I kept meaning to do it myself but I haven't had the time to be around DYK as much recently as I'd have liked. Happy editing! Olaf Davis | Talk 20:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I could have sworn you were an administrator. Your note on the DYK talk page surprised me! I can't believe you've been here a shorter time than I have. I'd offer you a nomination of adminship if you had just a little more time here - you certainly could use it with your work on DYK. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on ( talk) 23:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, what a compliment! I really appreciate your approval; I see your name popping up a lot and I actually thought you were an admin as well. Anyway, at the moment I think I am too busy to deal with the kind of stuff admins have to deal with (although I spend far too much time here anyway, so I don't see much difference) and, like you said, I haven't been here very long and still have a lot to learn. But thank you very much for your message! Happy editing, — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 00:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

There are plenty more of them where this one comes from! Vmenkov ( talk) 04:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, could you please explain why you deleted the entry from suggestion page? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 05:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see you have suggested it in Next update page. But it is removed because it is still on AfD. Please wait a bit until the AfD is closed. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 06:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Since the entry was removed from next update page, I have added it back in the suggestion page. Please wait a bit until the AfD is closed. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 06:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice, my other two DYK about bizzare Bavarian football facts went through! Like I said, you win some, you lose some. Well, thanks for all your efforts on DYK, without it, all those obscure little articles people like me write would never get looked up at all. EA210269 ( talk) 13:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, actually I was not aware of the queue. This is for the first time I noticed this page. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 15:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

		The Tiger Personal User Award
		I hereby award the Tiger personal user award to Politizer for patient, controlled strength in vetting the DYK suggestions -- Suntag ☼ 15:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

- Thanks for taking strong stances at DYK (which helps move things along) and thanks for seconding my comments. -- Suntag ☼ 15:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Politzer,

Wanted to make sure that my comments on the DYK talk page weren't lost regarding the uniqueness of the seven transitions of the SOS. I agree, it's not possible to verify that it's unique, and the article as it stands claims that it's unusual instead. Will that work?-- otherlleft ( talk) 16:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not convinced that Stormy Ordos is Nimbley6: SO seems to have a far higher level of communication skills than Nimbley6! I think some of the flag edits were questionable, but probably in good faith - SO removed a claim that Montpellier was twinned with Glasgow, for example - Nimbley6 would leave the claim unchecked and simply add a Scottish flag.

Thanks again, Cheers This flag once was red ^propaganda _deeds 19:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

...but 78.149.103.134? Definitely! Good catch, that was classic Nimbley6 - Scottish issues, twin-town nonsense, flags...

Cheers, This flag once was red ^propaganda _deeds 19:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The DYK credits for Queue 4 have one incorrect article. It should be Portugal in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008, not Vânia Fernandes. I would fix it myself, but its protected. Grk1011/Stephen ( talk) 23:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi P., this is just a response to a note you left on the suggestions page yesterday. After I said a hook was "too long" you pointed out that it was only 189 chars, and that the limit is 200. My comment however was in reference to the guideline at the top of the page, which states that "the 200-character limit is an outside limit not a recommended length".

Basically, hooks should be as concise as possible while still retaining the salient facts, the ideal length of a hook is probably no more than 150 chars, the 200 char limit is really just there for those occasional hooks that need more space to express a complex idea. Shorter hooks are almost always preferred.

BTW, thanks for all your help around DYK recently. Much appreciated! Gatoclass ( talk) 00:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Politzer I went on Flickr and found some h2o pics but,I did not see the little thing that tells if it's free or not! Maybe you could help. Nosebutton ( talk) 00:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if I need to bother doing this, but I've responded at T:DYK. Bsimmons666 ( talk) ^Friend? 03:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the nom for this? I see you verified the article, but it seems to have sunk without trace after that. Mjroots ( talk) 07:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Ignore that, I've found it in Queue 2! :-) Mjroots ( talk) 07:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It's simple really, all it needs is a section for "Approved noms, waiting to go live" and a link to each of the five queues. I notice the queues are edit protected so no vandalism problem there. Mjroots ( talk) 13:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I assumed you created them in good faith, but the convention is to disambiguate by year built. That is why I didn't bother putting the warning notice on your talk page. The drop-down box when searching will also help to find the articles. I'll leave the db notices up though. Mjroots ( talk) 13:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

If you ever need it, the naming convention is at WP:NC-S. Mjroots ( talk) 17:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

This might be a good piece for a DYK on the immediately upcoming 50th anniversary of the loss. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 13:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

When verifying hooks at T:TDYK, please be sure not just to check verifiability, article length, date, etc, but also the length of the hook itself. The hook you verified for November 10, Louis Dicken Wilson - ... that upon his death in 1847 Louis Dicken Wilson left Edgecombe County the substantial sum of $40,000 but that only $12,000 was properly utilized, while $10,000 was lost to bad investments and $18,000 skimmed of by government officials during the Southern Reconstruction? -- is over 230 characters and even if we did not have that limit of 200 characters, it is a bit run-on sounding anyways. Thanks so much for your help in this area of the project. Cheers, Cirt ( talk) 17:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Cirt ( talk) 17:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

How do you make 2 or more refrences to the same page? Eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_the_Band_Tour#Tour_Dates. I made that chart. I refrenced it from the same page but it made 10 different refrences! Help. IHelpWhenICan ( talk) 22:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Dont change the tour name back. I knew that was the name, I just had to find a respected link to back it up (I did). + I've found an official poster image. How do I upload it under fair use? IHelpWhenICan ( talk) 01:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that on T:TDYK, my nomination of List of Denver Broncos head coaches, which you verified, has disappeared out of nowhere, and it also isn't on the current hooks or the next update. I was just wondering, where is it? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L. 24 _[c] 05:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Where is this "queue waiting to go to the main page"? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L. 24 _[c] 06:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L. 24 _[c] 06:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

On 16 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Zeno Vendler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt ( talk) 06:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider your review. Lists are most certainly acceptable at T:DYK, and the total chars on the page is definitely well over the standard needed. The list fits all of the necessary criteria and I have been waiting for days for it to be reviewed and confirmed, there is nothing wrong with it and it should be passed as wholly appropriate. Thank you. Cirt ( talk) 06:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• 2,973 characters of cited text - and that is with all of the formatting removed. The page was created on November 11. The page is over 1,500 of cited WP:V text. The hook information is cited to WP:V inline-cites. Cirt ( talk) 06:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It is quite disappointing, to say the least, after the amount of work that went into creating that list, and working on it and citing every single entry on the list to multiple citations. I am in the process of expanding the main body text, and hopefully will be able to satisfactorily resubmit for consideration at T:TDYK. Cirt ( talk) 07:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Update

I have expanded the body text with over 2,700 chars of WP:V cited material, and resubmitted. Please reconsider again for review for possible appearance at T:DYK. Thank you. Cirt ( talk) 08:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Cirt ( talk) 08:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey there,

I saw you around a lot recently at T:TDYK, and I was wondering, could you check my hook about Sia Furler and " Soon We'll Be Found" and leave comments there about my hook and the subject? Thanks a million, – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 07:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I feared about those things, but I'll work hard to get it done. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 07:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I understand that it's not advisable to use the official website as a source, but that's the only definitive place where I can find that it's actually American sign language, not just any old sign language. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 08:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I actually asked a question about that on Yahoo! Answers last night, and some people (that could actually view the video) claimed that it was in American Sign Language, with some "pidgin" here and there. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 08:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I edited the citation, but you can see the news link here. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 08:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's a shame. But you're right, it does guide us a little bit. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 08:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure if it has been on the charts. If you have the link, could you provide that to me please? Thanks, – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 09:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Sadly, there's no hard evidence that supports that it was #94, because the archives only contain the top 40 of the Top 100 singles of the week (does that even make sense?). So what happens now, do we wait until it becomes queued? Is it guaranteed to show up on the main page? – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 07:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I'm assuming, then, that since I'm the person who nominated it, I can't add it into the queue either. Fair enough. I like that system! I'm definitely going to write more DYK hooks. Thank you so much for your help! – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 07:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Once again thank you for the info. Nosebutton ( talk) 01:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I just fixed the hook for Glen Ord Distillery. Thanks for all your work. Nrswanson ( talk) 08:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, just a heads-up that Featured Lists no longer start out "This is a list..." anymore. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Politzer are you participating in the wikipedia donation?

Nosebutton ( talk) 00:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You wrote on my ( Darkmanfan) talk page: "Stop being a dick.". Let me be the first to say: fair cop. Baiting others to get them involved in another discussion was a low thing to do. I appreciate that you intervened on my behalf anyway. I'm new around here. Is there some way I can upmod/bump/show-my-appreciation? -- Darkmanfan ( talk) 02:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was doing and it won't happen again. Passions overrode prudence. If you don't mind my asking a painfully newb question, I would ask what the correct WP channels are for dealing with such meta issues (e.g. articles X,Y,and Z treat reference B this way, but H,I, and J treat it another). It seems awkward to have such conversations on a given article page. Is there anything like arrogate pages or something similar? Again, my apologies. Thanks for the needed admonishment. It won't happen again. -- Darkmanfan ( talk) 03:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Your point about the danger to random readers is well taken. I recognize that not only was I an ass (not to drive that point into the ground), but dodged a bullet regarding consequences as well. I will take your advice regarding constructing an interlinking series of cases. Also, these "WikiProjects" you linked to seem to be exactly what I was looking for. My biggest confusion regarding Wikipedia so far has been its myopia (i.e. you're always editing a particular page). These seem to mitigate this somewhat. Thanks for your time and patience. -- Darkmanfan ( talk) 03:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer, the photo for Jiang Yuyuan is not from the Olympics but from a gymnastics show in Hong Kong. The whole China gymnastic team went to Hong Kong to perform for Hong Kong's public after the Olympics. I know because I am the one who acquired and uploaded the photo and I actually saw the show in Hong Kong. You can go to the photo's original link to check for yourself. The entire album is not Olympic photos, but Olympic gold medalists performing. Look at the background carefully, you'll notice they are not the same background as in Beijing. Tinbin ( talk) 20:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

http://www.fotop.net/boman/gymnastics/HYT_4923?r=fotop

http://www.fotop.net/boman/gymnastics

Hi, thanks for letting me know, especially about multiple sentences. It's now done to one. happy days Les woodland ( talk) 05:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Hi, thanks for letting me know of the issue . Itz done. The reference titles are fixed -- Tinu Cherian - 12:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear Politizer, I've added another hook. Have a nice day. AdjustShift ( talk) 16:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate your efforts in mediating the dispute, I still think that it's better to phrase the term of FLG ban (in the PRC and Epoch Times articles) somewhere along the lines of "the PRC government launched a crackdown of FLG, considered by many human rights groups as religious persecution [add sources]." In this way, we can demonstrate that many HR groups see the ban as a religious persecution, while avoid publicly endorsing one view over another per WP:WTA.-- PCPP ( talk) 12:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for your hard work verifying hooks at DYK. But due to some of your "questions" on mine and other's hooks I feel I need to point out a couple things.

• Point 1: Please always remember the point of DYK, The DYK section gives publicity to newly created or expanded Wikipedia articles, as a way of thanking the editors who create new content and to encourage other editors to contribute to and improve that article and the encyclopedia. Which is to say it is about rewarding the editor, not about featuring the article. The reward to the editor is the featuring of the article. So we need to try as hard as possible to get the article onto the template while still abiding by the DYK rules. Thus your objection to the Vicki Berger hook of mine (which you re-worded to work for you) falls outside of the goal of DYK, and had no basis in the rules (that is to say nowhere does it say the hook has to be about the article's subject). That may be preferable, but it is very, very, very secondary to the stated goal of DYK to reward the editor.
• Point 2: Interesting is the rule. Not unique. Now unique can be interesting, but not always. I am the only person at my law school with my name. Very unique, but very boring and uninteresting. Which takes us to interesting, which is very subjective. What I find interesting, you may not, and vice versa. That's why I've argued in the past on DYK that if you don't find something interesting, fine, but you should not disqualify an article. Simply leave it for someone else to come along, and they may find it interesting. And since the goal of DYK is more about rewarding the authors, I think this is more inline with that goal than disapproving of hooks because one does not find it interesting enough to you. If nobody finds it interesting, then so be it and no one will approve it.

I hope I am not offending you, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of this and to avoid future protracted discussions on the talk page. Aboutmovies ( talk) 19:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I just checked the article and every quote is referenced to the attributed source yet you say its plaguarism. To put the quote in my own words would not do justice to the original quote. Are you saying that I should change the working completely or paraphrase?

I'm relatively new to Wikipedia so would like your councel.

thanks

Phenss ( talk) 22:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

--Thanks for the information. Yes missing quotation marks. OK leave it with me and ILl make sure there are no violations.

Yours in knowledge

Peter -- Phenss ( talk) 23:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

So much to learn. Thanks for that I will rewrite it. Just for info I am in the middle of flying back from solomon islands to Queensland where I have finished my tour as a peacekeeper where I was time rich when it came to Wikipedia. I dont know how much time will be available as a dad and husband when I come home. Who knows one day I might write a Feature article. Thanks again.

Peter -- Phenss ( talk) 06:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I tried to cite something for that "flutterby" v. "butterfly" statement in the article on Spoonerism which I had visited for other reasons. I had NOT put in the original statement which had been objected to. The only thing I could reasonably find was in the Urban Dictionary, albeit somewhat specious. You removed my note without discussion. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc ( talk) 22:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. I was simply trying intellectually to find any mention of it anywhere and failed except there in the "Urban Dictionary" which is admitted not authoritative and the entry seemed to have been made in it by a non-scholar. I've asked around and also look it up and wind up with nothing tangible except its cleverness. You'd think if it were true, someone would have mentioned it in the literature. I think it might be better deleted until it can be verified which to my satisfaction, it cannot be right now. Many thanks. I knew I was off my normally tedious scholarly path when I cited it. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc ( talk) 23:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your reply. It was a good and proper move to axe it. I'll keep it in the back of my head in case I find something real on it which I doubt ! Best wishes and many thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc ( talk) 23:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for approving my article. It's the first time I'd submitted a DYK, and the sourcing was the thing about which I was most nervous. - Dewelar ( talk) 23:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry for the trouble and will not add the section about Marcus but I would like to please point out the fact that he is Fox and Krystal's son and that info is showed on Krystal's section its pointed out that she may become a bounty hunter named Kursed but I would please like to keep a small info showing Krystal could become a mother —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.56.87 ( talk) 23:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit concerned about several of the recent DYK's created by User:Billy Hathorn that have been allowed on the main page. Take a look at these The Californians (TV series) (not a single good resource), The Roy Rogers and Dale Evans Show (several shady refs), The Greatest Show on Earth (TV series), (more of the same issues), Roger Mobley (the main source is the subjects own website), Window on the Plains Museum (resource 3?), and Don Collier (similar issues). I investigated this because I have declined DYKs for this user before for using IMDB and I was wondering why he kept on submitting articles with that as a source. Now I know. Do you think I should say something about it at DYK? Nrswanson ( talk) 02:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree. I think a greater concern though is that this displays an inconsistancy among reviewers which is unsettling. I'd like to find out who gave the above articles a DYK tick because they deserve a hand slapping. These articles should never have made it to the main page. If we aren't consistant then users like Billy will continue to submit inferior articles with the hopes of slipping them in under the radar. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I myself could be culpable in some way as well (I review so many it's hard to remember if I was involved in one of these or not). Regardless, the editors involved should be made aware so they know what to look for in future. What do you think the best way to approach this would be? Nrswanson ( talk) 02:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being rude or offensive in anyway. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and posted a message if you would like to add your voice that would be great. :-) Nrswanson ( talk) 03:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for addressing me with your concerns regarding the Crab Bowl article. I believe I have now rectified them and greatly improved and expanded the article in the process. Would you mind taking the time to review it and provide me with some more feedback when you have the chance? Thanks again. Strikehold ( talk) 06:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is a term for it - "maternal grandmother". Cheers. Pandacomics ( talk) 07:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer. I have written an alternative hook for the double nom. Thanks for checking. Listed buildings in the UK are decided upon and administered by a government-backed non-departmental agency, so there is some official "clout" behind the decision to list a building or structure. I don't know whether there is the same official status in the USA with regard to the NRHP ... is it done at a state level, perhaps? Anyway, there are about 370,000 listed buildings in the UK, so lists compiled at city or borough level are the way to go, in my view. Regards, Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!) 09:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Politizer, thank you for the notice and note regarding Irworobongdo. I think these English links [2] [3] would suffice to verify the hook and overall contents. By the way, how come you're not an admin yet? You seem to be very qualified. :)-- Caspian blue 15:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the message again. I will do what I can do. The screen was used for the king's throne hall. The article has inline sources, but which seem not accessible online. Thanks again.-- Caspian blue 15:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, again. I think the article is now ready to be checked on.-- Caspian blue 00:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I fulfilled all requirement for the DYK nom. I briefly added the function in the intro after your last visit which is already in the section of "Significance of the image". I did not write the article, but tried hard. You seem to be a perfectionist: an article with DYK does not mean that every information or details are presented at the time of nom; only minimum requirements for readers to understand its content clearly with reliable and verifiable sources in a neutral tone. I appreciate your hard work, but I get the impression. -- Caspian blue 15:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I know your comments were only good-faith intended to encourage me and the author to implement necessary in-line sourcing in time. However, the function of the screen is already addressed in the article even though it is not as much clearly stated as you want. Honestly, I felt the impression of "perfectionist" from your last visit. -- Caspian blue 16:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey I'm glad to see things are moving along for DYK but you just added a hook I was going to suggest a double DYK for. I just created Julian Konstantinov who is the opera singer brother of Plamen Konstantinov. Nrswanson ( talk) 15:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• Borgqueen fixed it thanks. :-) Nrswanson ( talk) 16:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice photo - I also enjoyed seeing those lotus ponds around Hubei, and then seeing vendors selling their fruit. In Wuhan they actually have a lotus root monument - I should post that picture some day. But I think it would be better to post images like this to Wiki Commons, rather than to the English Wiki - first, because there is a better image hierarchy there, giving images better visibility, and second, because images from Commons can be used throughout all wiki projects, not just at your home wikipedia. Vmenkov ( talk) 04:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

...for copy editing Swadeshabhimani Ramakrishna Pillai. Btw was it was overlinked ? I saw you delinking some... Btw can you fix the grammer and prose better ? Thanks a lot -- Tinu Cherian - 07:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

You recently moved the article "Cannabinoid Receptor 1 Antagonists: Drug Discovery and Development", but you made a serious spelling error in the new title (you wrote "Cannaboid" not "Cannabinoid"). Could you change this error or move the article back to the original title? bida ( talk) 09:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear Politizer, I've added another hook. Have a nice day. AdjustShift ( talk) 12:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I've added another hook. You can review it. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift ( talk) 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

You're very rude. While it hasn't been documented online to my knowledge, public security is well known by residents for disregarding the rights of minors. As you are ignorant of the situation, please refrain from editing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.82.224 ( talk) 17:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

What's rude is your telling me what I can and can't edit based on where I live. Stop adding your biased and unsourced bullshit to the article and I will stop editing it. — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 17:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I think that DYK hooks about history can contains words or terms used in history sciences; DYK hooks about musicians can contain terms from music science and so on. Look at DYK now: for example:

• that the success of Gay Weddings as counterprogramming to Super Bowl XXXVII led television network Bravo to develop additional LGBT-interest programming, including Queer Eye and Boy Meets Boy?
• ... that Dr. Jay Katz, who escaped from Nazi Germany to the U.S. in the 1930s, opposed use of data from Nazi human experimentation, because "we cannot separate the data from the way they were obtained"?

They normally contain many technical terms. So DYK hook about biology can contain biologial terms. It is fault of a reader if he/or she/or you do not understand it. You would be too rigid if you do not want to change your mind.

According to your personal opinion of quoting. See for example article Viviparus georgianus. It is no problem to quote original description this way. But when using many other PD text, there is normally need to improve it, to reorder it and so on. It is good to improve this matter but not while verifying DYK hook. I hope there is better place on wikipedia to discuss it about how to quote such texts. Let me to know when you will find such better way. Thanks for cooperation. -- Snek01 ( talk) 17:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message. I fixed the hook character count. Its just below 200 now. The legend wasn't restricted to the 10th century, but spanned until even after the 13th. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 17:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just saw your message. Should I take it the DYK has been verified, and if so could you mention so on the page? Ironholds ( talk) 19:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Replied. My sincerest apologies; I honestly thought the ref given mentioned the undergraduate status. Ironholds ( talk) 19:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup; as explained at talk:dyk I found one, but it is a subscription-only 'site and might be a bit difficult to check. Ironholds ( talk) 19:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

So add the "by the time he graduated..." bit inside the article? wouldn't I then need to change the dyk hook? Ironholds ( talk) 19:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Works for me. I'll change it, you verify it. Ironholds ( talk) 04:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I tried to use the preview button, but the changes don't show up. 96.53.149.117 ( talk) 22:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Politizer, please assume good faith and don't bite the anons. It's clear that 96.53 was not vandalizing or test-editing International Phonetic Alphabet but making a good-faith effort to adjust the display of the table. — An gr 22:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about using "rvv" in the edit summary; I meant to use "rv test" but "rvv" has gotten into my muscle memory and I didn't even notice until after I had saved the edit. Anyway, I personally don't see a difference between the current version and the old version, but maybe it's a browser thing. — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 22:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh ... . That might be right; some browsers show spaces/changes, others don't. FWIW, there is a difference, in that there's a bit of extra space, which [looks] unnecessary, and deviates from the layout of other articles [in terms of space (spacing between text, spacing between images, etc. etc.)].

On another note, since you brought up the sandbox, it is very time consuming to do that. Although, I'm not saying it is not a great\good idea, I think there is something wrong with mediawiki, or whatever program wiki{s} run under. If it's not displaying, then obviously, it shouldn't be within the preview of Editor. 96.53.149.117 ( talk) 22:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)And it should be brought up at bugzilla. 96.53.149.117 ( talk) 22:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Excellent fix my friend! :-) – How do you turn this on ( talk) 01:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I feel like a real computer programming master now. Who knew that little template would actually come in handy for something? — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 02:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your hard work maintaining the Did You Know suggestions page, How do you turn this on awards Politizer the Original Barnstar. Your hard work is very much appreciated! Best wishes, – How do you turn this on ( talk) 02:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer, thanks for your review of the the Dalberg hook. I've added a US department of state report that quotes the Dalberg report I mention. It does not mention the word "crucial" though. What do you suggest? Should I reword the hook? Zithan ( talk) 06:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I would prefer to change the hook instead. This one has more press publications. Zithan ( talk) 08:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I cant get the tour poster image to work on Making the Band 4 - The Tour. I tried. Its not the infobox, its the image. It's screwed up. help please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by IHelpWhenICan ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see it. And I cleared the cashe. IHelpWhenICan ( talk) 00:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

From the Ashes: I read the article link. It doesn't say anything about the album being named From the Ashes. Plus, it's an image on a fan site from another fan site from a magazine! I'm not even sure if the magazine exists! IHelpWhenICan ( talk) 01:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Why don't take a look at the ratio of being accepted into Harvard ... This year alone they only accepted 1700 students from nearly 28000 applications. Do your research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantasia 15 ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am glad you know where Harvard is, I was getting worried about you for a minute ... Harvard is the oldest insitution in the U.S. and the issue is not just that everyone that has ever gone to Harvard is notable, but even being accepted is a very distinguished honor. You mostly have to retain pretty impressive acumen and intelligence to even get in, and don't forget how many notable individuals have come out of there. The Guidlines are clear in the WP:bio, it is not just only about how famous you are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantasia 15 ( talk • contribs) 05:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect if I am cherry picking, you are nit picking ... WP is not about self reflection or whether someone became notable, whether they attended Community College or not, and Haravrd is a just another part of notability for this equation, besides so many other accomplishments she has made. -- Fantasia 15 ( talk) 05:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Whatever ... I have feeling you are still stuck in Kansas. I know you are a big part of wackypedia not WP since you mentioned I was impolite for defending my position. Then let me make it crystal clear, some of you, not all, sound like rejects of Society. There at least now you have a real reason to call me rude.-- Fantasia 15 ( talk) 08:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification and the weblink. I'm always hesitant to include a Web site link to a page that is behind a pay wall, though I'd definitely agree that one in this case is justified since the relevant information is available in the article preview. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 08:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

How is the information that was removed about Jessica Alba's tattoos not relevent? hda3ku ( talk) 16:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok thank you for your quick response and explanation hda3ku ( talk) 16:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I took a look at the DYK talk page and was surprised at all the discussion there. I used to submit quite a few DYKs (I think I have 74 now) but became discouraged by the lack or organization and the way my last submissions fell by the wayside for no reason.

Has the overall situation improved do you think? I used to try to help out, but because discouraged by that also. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 21:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that with creations of templates such as DYKproblems, informing editors there are issues, have been very helpful. Additionally, the system has a system of clerks, who verify hooks, and ensure articles are suitable to be linked from the front page - they do a good job most of the time. Compared with FAC, I have found the editors who work on DYK to be a lot more friendly and positive in their editing styles. – How do you turn this on ( talk) 23:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hope you're not too stressed, and that all is well with you. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on ( talk) 23:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I know it's nothing to do with DYK - sent you an email. – How do you turn this on ( talk) 00:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

May I ask the reason why you delinked the years here? Thanks. -- TakenakaN ( talk) 00:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

See WP:MOSNUM - years don't need to be linked. – How do you turn this on ( talk) 00:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No need for stress these days. Just turn on the radio and enjoy the wonders of technology. :) \ / ( ⁂) 05:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Politizer for your work helping me to refine the DYK hook (and the refs) to white horse (mythology). Appreciate it, Julia Rossi ( talk) 06:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm I dunno about that source. I had it as a potential one, but as you say, written by a high school student... not sure what to make of it. Is there anything in that source that's not in any of the others? (I really need to get rewriting the entire article from scratch, but so little time...) – How do you turn this on ( talk) 09:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, there doesn't seem to be much there. I was throwing it in just to have something, but considering how much you've already compiled, that source probably won't contribute much. — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 14:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Politizer. Would you mind taking a look at DYK nom Tessa Ludwick and helping me get on the right track for approval. I think that the present conversation there is not going forward. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 08:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the vetting. I went back to the template talk page looking for the nom and it was gone. My first thought were 'did someone delete it?' I knew better and found it in the queue. However, we really should have a notification program where the nominator is notified the moment their hook is moved from the template talk page into the queue to give the nominator a little peace of mind. And if you are in the vetting mood, I have another DYK nom that could benefit from such attention. (I spent about eight hours writing that article.) -- Suntag ☼ 16:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

		The Template Barnstar
		The {{ DYKsug}} Template is awesome now! I can't wait to see it completed. Nice job! \ / ( ⁂) 10:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes great job. I've been tweaking the system for the past few hours. See Template talk:DYKsuggestion. I have a few test posts in Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_November_26. I think we're close to going live with the new system. -- Suntag ☼ 19:25, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I just tested the latest template on Template_talk:Did_you_know#Seth_Kinman. Looking good. -- Suntag ☼ 20:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Check out my request at MediaWiki talk:Editnotice-11-Did you know. If implemented, this will present the DYK symbols on top of each DYK nom when the edit is selected. I'm always hunting around for the symbols and this will put them at our finger tips. -- Suntag ☼ 20:25, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I revised Template:DYKsug and Template:DYKsuggestion in attempt to implement the altusername parameter and ended up with a mess. Can you fix it? Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 20:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I added some comments at Template talk:DYKsuggestion. Also, check out Template_talk:Did_you_know#Sample_DYK_suggestion_strings. -- Suntag ☼ 00:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to take a break. If you have some time, please keep an eye on the new posts at Template talk:Did you know. There's been no complaints about the new method of posting noms so far, so maybe there won't be any issues. -- Suntag ☼ 01:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, will do. Thank you very much for all your help! — Politizer  ^talk/ _contribs 01:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

And yes, you were right about the expanded version. I posted a bunch of expanded versions then ran across some of my condensed posts. Horrid! Good call. The expanded version is so inviting and clear as to what is going on. -- Suntag ☼ 11:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't get back to you about this one when you asked me to, I was away for work. EA210269 ( talk) 01:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Can I just say that the new format for the DYK suggestions page is absolutely amazing! I had never really liked the page; it was always messy and my noms always got addressed last, but the new format is so clear and neat. Thanks to you and whoever redesigned it, because it really is great. Again, thanks! Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 04:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

On 27 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article cohort model, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 08:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Information about documentation is based on general reference indeed. New edition of this book should be published within two months and there should be much more information about late '30s PZL aircraft including PZL.49 Miś. Of course I'll update all articles with new information and reference. Regards, -- Piotr Mikołajski ( talk) 19:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for the blunder. The 1500 character rule had completely flown out of my mind when I nominated the article! I've expanded it to around 1650-1700 characters, could you please recheck the article? Thanks, Mastrchf ( ^t/ _c) 21:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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DYK that... Chandrayaan-1 is now added and referenced at: Pulicat_Lake#Geography_and_topography. Thanks for checking the nomination and noting that anomaly. Marcus ( talk) 00:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

The DYK suggestion page now is showing {{subst:#if:|**ALT1: }}{{subst:#if:|**ALT2: }} for every nomination using the template. -- Suntag ☼ 07:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Your most recent edit to {[tl|DYKsug}} broke something in the template, see T:TDYK, it is throwing in extra parameters. MBisanz ^talk 07:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)