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salam alaikum
I need your help to complete this part and achieve consensus in this debate. Of course I write something on the basis of Shi'a viewpoint and it may different with Sunni one in some cases. So please participate in this debate.-- Sa.vakilian 03:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Itaqallah, have a look at this [1]. It is written by another scholar of Islam who respects(and even loves) Muhammad so much (like Watt) but explains why these Islamic scholars don't convert to Islam. -- Aminz 10:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I recognize you are probably doing so in good faith, but please do not restore POV vandalism at Little Green Footballs again. We have enough problems keeping the article neutral as it is. RunedChozo 22:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Do not remove Syed Kamran Mirza's name. You have no justification for doing so. Criticism of Islam is largely internet based and as such he is notable, trying using a search engine. Do not remove the refence to hadith. The wording is a matter of debate but the link itself must stay. I used pickthall's because you asked for "resting-place." Arrow740 22:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
This is an interesting debate. I am amused. Syed family is descendant of Imam Hussain, hence of Arab blood lines. Mirza family is descendant of Mongols who later became muslims. Obviously this person is a fake. He could not even come up with a logical fake name. LOL. Maybe he should have named himself Mirza Cohen, Pundit Singh, or something like that. LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassanfarooqi ( talk • contribs)
Hello Itaqallah, I've started a new article about Saudi Arabia's first feature film: Keif al-hal?. I invite you to contribute to it if such an article might interest you. Thanks. :-) ( → Netscott) 02:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings Itaqallah, could you take a look at User:JustAnIdea's edits for similarities with User:Nodekeeper and User:Proabivouac? Thanks. ( → Netscott) 15:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
You seem frazzled. Why don't you take a short wikibreak? It might help you become more centered. Arrow740 00:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Salaam! Can you please re-write this in prose, as requested on talk page? Talk:Islam#Customs_and_behavioral_laws. TruthSpreader Talk 01:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Itaqallah, my world view has changed. Now, I don't get angry at big lies as much as I used to. I'll probably post something on my user page. I feel comforted now. -- Aminz 04:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Itaqallah,
What do you think of requesting a mediation on Criticism of the Quran? -- Aminz 08:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Encyclopedia of Islam Online is now available :) -- Aminz 03:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I saw your name under the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottoman Muslim casualties. I was wondering if Ottoman Muslim casualties article can be an improvement drive article for the Islam or other related projects, or find people from different countries to feed information. I would like to integrate what happened during this period. Western (Christan) sources are really weak on this issue. And there is a big bias against it. Thanks. OttomanReference 15:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello Itaqallah, my advice is to formulate documentation demonstrating this user's pattern of behavior. Essentially this user is being repetitively disruptive and is beginning to "exhaust the community's patience" which is bannable. If this user's chronic disruption can be clearly demonstrated there will be stronger support for a ban on his editing on Wikipedia. ( → Netscott) 20:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Youre not supposed to use popups for reverting except for vandalism. Youre doing this for a long time now. Opiner 20:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Your tone has changed but the edge remains. You are essentially correct about my manner of referring to the material in question. I and other people who approached Islam with an open mind and heart (in my case considering it for myself) are dumbfounded that people could follow a man who committed the atrocities Muhammad did, let alone believe that he was in direct communication with and had a mandate from the source of morality itself, God. I keep emphasizing the scientific contradictions because the internal contradictions can often be rationalized (though it is very hard to do so and maintain the belief that the Quran is perfect, doublethink is clearly not an exclusively Muslim phenomenon), and the moral and ethical problems can also be sublimated as personal morality is highly malleable, but when it comes to saying that semen comes out of the lower back, and mountains prevent earthquakes, there's not much you can do. If you care to know why a person with no religion spends so much effort doing the things I do, then I will tell you, but I assume you won't ask, and will delete this, though I would prefer it if you didn't. Arrow740 14:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Salam Itaqallah. Since you have dealt with user CltFn in the past, I would appreciate your comment here. Thank you. BhaiSaab talk 20:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at Talk:Indian caste system/Mediation (December 2006) and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the Indian caste system article. Also, please sign below Parties' agreement to mediate stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Arrow740 03:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't trolling, it was a response to your post. You have a strange fastidiousness about your talk page. I'm not sure its kosher (or the derivative halal, if you prefer) for you to delete my posts like that. In any case there has to be some explanation for statements such as "equally as worse." Arrow740 23:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Image talk:Qana massacre.jpg -- Striver 04:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Salam brother,
I was looking at the kaaba page and there is some very humilating and derrogatory pictures on there that shouldn't be...I cannot seem to take them off, so if you could please take them down?
Wlksalam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.226.129 ( talk) 01:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
I was pretty much thinking of making the banner resemble the Military history and Biography banners in terms of having possibly one standard quality assessment parameter and (hopefully :) ?) one importance parameter per article. The Project Guide gives some of the more obvious reasons quality assessments in particular would be useful, as knowing the current status of an article makes it easier for members of the project to know which articles are closed to achieving either good-article or featured-article status. One potential way to draw attention to the assessments is to actively invite the members of the project to collectively discuss which articles in particular are of the greatest importance to the project with the objective of placing the consensus choices in the top-importance category. However, to my personal awareness, this is still a somewhat new and untested technique, so I can't personally attest to whether it is effective in the long run. Anyway, if you would want the banner to include assessment parameters and have reservations about including them yourself, please let me know and I will include them, and set up the various other related parephenalia for it to function as the other project's assessments do. If I were to do so, it would be useful to know whether the individual subprojects have specific images they would like included on their individual "tabs", so that I could include them. In any event, good luck with the project. Badbilltucker 16:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
salam again brother,
Sorry it seems to be gone but there were derrogatory pictures of girls on the page and couldnt seem to have taken it off. If you please just as always look over the pages related towards Islam as it is well aware to bring enough critics and of that sort. but thankyou for taking the time to check it out!
Wlksalam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.226.129 ( talk) 21:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
hello Tariq. you invited a number of users to a mediation case quite a few days ago. two of the main participants (BhaiSaab and Hkelkar) have been blocked per a recent ArbCom ruling. the other user has not agreed to participate... so it seems to be just me. in the light of this, should the case be closed or what? thanks. ITAQALLAH 04:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
About replying to threads, much easier than it looks (fortunately). Once you start getting the mails, you can just hit reply (it should go to the same address the mailing list sent from). The list is all sorted by subject line, so be careful about changing that. Sounded like you wanted me to copy-paste your post on my talk page onto the mailing list, but I should ask to be sure -- that's what you want, yes? :) Luna Santin 23:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I see that you mention there are other topical biography subarticles-- do you have any you could point to off the top of your head? It's okay if you don't-- I just thought might be helpful to look at those articles and draw inspiration from how they did it-- particularly if they're featured articles.
As I say, I take a different stance than Beit Or-- I'm not sure that topical subarticles are absolutely forbidden or inherently unencyclopedic-- it just seems like the general/diplomat/religious figure is making things more difficult than they need to be. Muhammad's marriages, for example, isn't causing any problems at all, so in at least some cases topical may be the best way to do things, but diplomat/general doesn't seem to be working out too well. -- Alecmconroy 03:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I knew you voted for the AFD for the List of former Muslims when I placed that list on the WikiProject Islam list. I didnt see you delete that list when there was just ONE list there. You never had any problems with it. You had the problem when I included List of former Muslims. If you deleted it because there were just TWO, you should have deleted it even more if there was just ONE item in the list, but you didnt. These lists are important and I will find a way to include them on the project main page. Now, can you care to explain why you didnt delete the list section before? -- Matt57 14:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I am aware it is not the official symble of Islam, but nor is the star of david that i made for project Judaism an official symble of Judaism. Symbles are used as way to promote a creed graphicly. I propose you keep it as it promotes the project. frummer 07:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Any reason why you didnt put the WikiProject-Islam tag in this article's talk page as well, or do you plan to tag them all when you have time? -- Matt57 17:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your invitation to me to join wikiproject islam. I can't promise to be very active due to various commitments, but if you have something urgent, please write to my wiki page =) -- Djihed 18:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your message and kind comments. I am not going to be able to edit much in the next couple of weeks, due to Christmas holidays, but after that I will start to work through the citations, as you suggest. In my opinion, getting the right range of sources for the article is the key to improving it. In particular, Albert Hourani's History of the Arab Peoples is a good scholarly text and has much detail on the establishment of the Islamic polity. I've got a copy and will try to add material from it. Itsmejudith 19:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
With all due respect to your tireless contributions, I must point out that your manner of editing is costing wikipedia a fortune and stretches out the history thread of the article unnecessarily. I made this mistake too until someone explained it to me. I think you should use the show preview button more often instead of continuous edits. In this way we can see how the article evolves and expands etc clearly. Salaam. frummer 08:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Some editors are disputing the very existence of a dispute on the Antisemitism article. Would you please have at the evidence provided here [3] and see if that testifies existence of some dispute over the neutrality of the article. Please sign your name if the evidences prove the existance of some sort of dispute over the neutrality. Thanks. -- Aminz 12:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Bro, can you take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-islam.org (second nomination) and see if notability have been established, and if not, why? Thanks. -- Striver - talk 16:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
All of the changes recently posted regarding Prophet of Doom are pertinent to helping those wanting to learn more about the book find its various online versions and helps inform them about the book's supporting material.
If you insist on suppressing this information due to your bias as a Muslim, I will have no choice but to submit your efforts to the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee. Slipperybeans 22:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
The portion of mizan related to "Principles to Understand Qur'an" has been translated in English. You can access it here. Regarding "Standar Qu'ran" article, which I think we should have, is discussed under "Variant Readings" heading in this article. I think it has alot of references of classical works as well, which can be used. Cheers! TruthSpreader reply 03:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your edit [4] this has been effectively reverted as it failed to use the talk page on this entry where the notability of Ali Sina with respect to apostacy has been established (via the contribution by Ali Sina to the book by Ibn Warraq called Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out). Please use the talk at, [5] before reverting text in this article to argue that he is not notable with respect to this subject. Ttiotsw 13:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Why do you restore personal attacks against me on the Muhammad articles talkpage? -- Karl Meier 16:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Please explain why you deleted this picture of the Kaaba, from the Kaaba page: [[:image:Mohammed_kaaba_1315.jpg|thumb|Image made in 1315 of young Muhammad re-dedicating the Black Stone at the Kaaba. From Tabriz, Persia and can be found in Rashid al-Dins Jami' al-Tawarikh ("The Universal History" or "Compendium of Chronicles"), held in the University of Edinburgh.]] As for the external links which you removed, I will take it up on the Talk page. -- Matt57 17:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
salam alaikum
I need your help to complete this part and achieve consensus in this debate. Of course I write something on the basis of Shi'a viewpoint and it may different with Sunni one in some cases. So please participate in this debate.-- Sa.vakilian 03:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Itaqallah, have a look at this [1]. It is written by another scholar of Islam who respects(and even loves) Muhammad so much (like Watt) but explains why these Islamic scholars don't convert to Islam. -- Aminz 10:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I recognize you are probably doing so in good faith, but please do not restore POV vandalism at Little Green Footballs again. We have enough problems keeping the article neutral as it is. RunedChozo 22:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Do not remove Syed Kamran Mirza's name. You have no justification for doing so. Criticism of Islam is largely internet based and as such he is notable, trying using a search engine. Do not remove the refence to hadith. The wording is a matter of debate but the link itself must stay. I used pickthall's because you asked for "resting-place." Arrow740 22:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
This is an interesting debate. I am amused. Syed family is descendant of Imam Hussain, hence of Arab blood lines. Mirza family is descendant of Mongols who later became muslims. Obviously this person is a fake. He could not even come up with a logical fake name. LOL. Maybe he should have named himself Mirza Cohen, Pundit Singh, or something like that. LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassanfarooqi ( talk • contribs)
Hello Itaqallah, I've started a new article about Saudi Arabia's first feature film: Keif al-hal?. I invite you to contribute to it if such an article might interest you. Thanks. :-) ( → Netscott) 02:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings Itaqallah, could you take a look at User:JustAnIdea's edits for similarities with User:Nodekeeper and User:Proabivouac? Thanks. ( → Netscott) 15:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
You seem frazzled. Why don't you take a short wikibreak? It might help you become more centered. Arrow740 00:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Salaam! Can you please re-write this in prose, as requested on talk page? Talk:Islam#Customs_and_behavioral_laws. TruthSpreader Talk 01:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Itaqallah, my world view has changed. Now, I don't get angry at big lies as much as I used to. I'll probably post something on my user page. I feel comforted now. -- Aminz 04:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Itaqallah,
What do you think of requesting a mediation on Criticism of the Quran? -- Aminz 08:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Encyclopedia of Islam Online is now available :) -- Aminz 03:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I saw your name under the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottoman Muslim casualties. I was wondering if Ottoman Muslim casualties article can be an improvement drive article for the Islam or other related projects, or find people from different countries to feed information. I would like to integrate what happened during this period. Western (Christan) sources are really weak on this issue. And there is a big bias against it. Thanks. OttomanReference 15:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello Itaqallah, my advice is to formulate documentation demonstrating this user's pattern of behavior. Essentially this user is being repetitively disruptive and is beginning to "exhaust the community's patience" which is bannable. If this user's chronic disruption can be clearly demonstrated there will be stronger support for a ban on his editing on Wikipedia. ( → Netscott) 20:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Youre not supposed to use popups for reverting except for vandalism. Youre doing this for a long time now. Opiner 20:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Your tone has changed but the edge remains. You are essentially correct about my manner of referring to the material in question. I and other people who approached Islam with an open mind and heart (in my case considering it for myself) are dumbfounded that people could follow a man who committed the atrocities Muhammad did, let alone believe that he was in direct communication with and had a mandate from the source of morality itself, God. I keep emphasizing the scientific contradictions because the internal contradictions can often be rationalized (though it is very hard to do so and maintain the belief that the Quran is perfect, doublethink is clearly not an exclusively Muslim phenomenon), and the moral and ethical problems can also be sublimated as personal morality is highly malleable, but when it comes to saying that semen comes out of the lower back, and mountains prevent earthquakes, there's not much you can do. If you care to know why a person with no religion spends so much effort doing the things I do, then I will tell you, but I assume you won't ask, and will delete this, though I would prefer it if you didn't. Arrow740 14:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Salam Itaqallah. Since you have dealt with user CltFn in the past, I would appreciate your comment here. Thank you. BhaiSaab talk 20:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at Talk:Indian caste system/Mediation (December 2006) and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the Indian caste system article. Also, please sign below Parties' agreement to mediate stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Arrow740 03:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't trolling, it was a response to your post. You have a strange fastidiousness about your talk page. I'm not sure its kosher (or the derivative halal, if you prefer) for you to delete my posts like that. In any case there has to be some explanation for statements such as "equally as worse." Arrow740 23:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Image talk:Qana massacre.jpg -- Striver 04:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Salam brother,
I was looking at the kaaba page and there is some very humilating and derrogatory pictures on there that shouldn't be...I cannot seem to take them off, so if you could please take them down?
Wlksalam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.226.129 ( talk) 01:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
I was pretty much thinking of making the banner resemble the Military history and Biography banners in terms of having possibly one standard quality assessment parameter and (hopefully :) ?) one importance parameter per article. The Project Guide gives some of the more obvious reasons quality assessments in particular would be useful, as knowing the current status of an article makes it easier for members of the project to know which articles are closed to achieving either good-article or featured-article status. One potential way to draw attention to the assessments is to actively invite the members of the project to collectively discuss which articles in particular are of the greatest importance to the project with the objective of placing the consensus choices in the top-importance category. However, to my personal awareness, this is still a somewhat new and untested technique, so I can't personally attest to whether it is effective in the long run. Anyway, if you would want the banner to include assessment parameters and have reservations about including them yourself, please let me know and I will include them, and set up the various other related parephenalia for it to function as the other project's assessments do. If I were to do so, it would be useful to know whether the individual subprojects have specific images they would like included on their individual "tabs", so that I could include them. In any event, good luck with the project. Badbilltucker 16:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
salam again brother,
Sorry it seems to be gone but there were derrogatory pictures of girls on the page and couldnt seem to have taken it off. If you please just as always look over the pages related towards Islam as it is well aware to bring enough critics and of that sort. but thankyou for taking the time to check it out!
Wlksalam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.226.129 ( talk) 21:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
hello Tariq. you invited a number of users to a mediation case quite a few days ago. two of the main participants (BhaiSaab and Hkelkar) have been blocked per a recent ArbCom ruling. the other user has not agreed to participate... so it seems to be just me. in the light of this, should the case be closed or what? thanks. ITAQALLAH 04:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
About replying to threads, much easier than it looks (fortunately). Once you start getting the mails, you can just hit reply (it should go to the same address the mailing list sent from). The list is all sorted by subject line, so be careful about changing that. Sounded like you wanted me to copy-paste your post on my talk page onto the mailing list, but I should ask to be sure -- that's what you want, yes? :) Luna Santin 23:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I see that you mention there are other topical biography subarticles-- do you have any you could point to off the top of your head? It's okay if you don't-- I just thought might be helpful to look at those articles and draw inspiration from how they did it-- particularly if they're featured articles.
As I say, I take a different stance than Beit Or-- I'm not sure that topical subarticles are absolutely forbidden or inherently unencyclopedic-- it just seems like the general/diplomat/religious figure is making things more difficult than they need to be. Muhammad's marriages, for example, isn't causing any problems at all, so in at least some cases topical may be the best way to do things, but diplomat/general doesn't seem to be working out too well. -- Alecmconroy 03:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I knew you voted for the AFD for the List of former Muslims when I placed that list on the WikiProject Islam list. I didnt see you delete that list when there was just ONE list there. You never had any problems with it. You had the problem when I included List of former Muslims. If you deleted it because there were just TWO, you should have deleted it even more if there was just ONE item in the list, but you didnt. These lists are important and I will find a way to include them on the project main page. Now, can you care to explain why you didnt delete the list section before? -- Matt57 14:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I am aware it is not the official symble of Islam, but nor is the star of david that i made for project Judaism an official symble of Judaism. Symbles are used as way to promote a creed graphicly. I propose you keep it as it promotes the project. frummer 07:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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subst:smile}}, {{
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Any reason why you didnt put the WikiProject-Islam tag in this article's talk page as well, or do you plan to tag them all when you have time? -- Matt57 17:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your invitation to me to join wikiproject islam. I can't promise to be very active due to various commitments, but if you have something urgent, please write to my wiki page =) -- Djihed 18:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your message and kind comments. I am not going to be able to edit much in the next couple of weeks, due to Christmas holidays, but after that I will start to work through the citations, as you suggest. In my opinion, getting the right range of sources for the article is the key to improving it. In particular, Albert Hourani's History of the Arab Peoples is a good scholarly text and has much detail on the establishment of the Islamic polity. I've got a copy and will try to add material from it. Itsmejudith 19:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
With all due respect to your tireless contributions, I must point out that your manner of editing is costing wikipedia a fortune and stretches out the history thread of the article unnecessarily. I made this mistake too until someone explained it to me. I think you should use the show preview button more often instead of continuous edits. In this way we can see how the article evolves and expands etc clearly. Salaam. frummer 08:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Some editors are disputing the very existence of a dispute on the Antisemitism article. Would you please have at the evidence provided here [3] and see if that testifies existence of some dispute over the neutrality of the article. Please sign your name if the evidences prove the existance of some sort of dispute over the neutrality. Thanks. -- Aminz 12:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Bro, can you take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-islam.org (second nomination) and see if notability have been established, and if not, why? Thanks. -- Striver - talk 16:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
All of the changes recently posted regarding Prophet of Doom are pertinent to helping those wanting to learn more about the book find its various online versions and helps inform them about the book's supporting material.
If you insist on suppressing this information due to your bias as a Muslim, I will have no choice but to submit your efforts to the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee. Slipperybeans 22:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
The portion of mizan related to "Principles to Understand Qur'an" has been translated in English. You can access it here. Regarding "Standar Qu'ran" article, which I think we should have, is discussed under "Variant Readings" heading in this article. I think it has alot of references of classical works as well, which can be used. Cheers! TruthSpreader reply 03:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your edit [4] this has been effectively reverted as it failed to use the talk page on this entry where the notability of Ali Sina with respect to apostacy has been established (via the contribution by Ali Sina to the book by Ibn Warraq called Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out). Please use the talk at, [5] before reverting text in this article to argue that he is not notable with respect to this subject. Ttiotsw 13:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Why do you restore personal attacks against me on the Muhammad articles talkpage? -- Karl Meier 16:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Please explain why you deleted this picture of the Kaaba, from the Kaaba page: [[:image:Mohammed_kaaba_1315.jpg|thumb|Image made in 1315 of young Muhammad re-dedicating the Black Stone at the Kaaba. From Tabriz, Persia and can be found in Rashid al-Dins Jami' al-Tawarikh ("The Universal History" or "Compendium of Chronicles"), held in the University of Edinburgh.]] As for the external links which you removed, I will take it up on the Talk page. -- Matt57 17:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)