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here to start it.Greetings! Since you are holding yourself out to be Rick Alan Ross and Rick Alan Ross ( talk · contribs), you are subject to the ruling at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Rick Alan Ross instructed and restricted. Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee for the email address at which you can reach the committee; you must correspond with a member of the arbitration committee. — C.Fred ( talk) 17:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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Jbh
Talk
15:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I saw your recent edits. I'm somewhat offended by your "One Wikipedia user has insisted that..." ( [2]). Afaik there was a lot of them, including the admin who protected the talk pages against IP edits. So "One..." seems completely out of order. Not sure whether I'll let myself get involved in this again, I need a somewhat clearer editing environment for that to be productive I suppose.
Re. comparison with Steve Hassan's Wikipedia article: comparing in this sense is somewhat of a weak argument in Wikipedia, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (before even examining the WP:COI). If you have a problem with Mr. Hassan's page, post on its talk page with, if and when applicable, disclosure of your COI in the matter. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 13:03, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
No problem, hope I didn't annoy you too much. However there's an advantage in being more than a WP:SPA at Wikipedia. Tried to raise some more general interest in the Wikipedia project. Didn't work apparently, no problem, maybe just unsuccessful in uncovering other topics that might interest you here. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 08:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Interesting new news report about Prem Rawat reflects his actual history significance http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/9033909/greedy-guru Rick Alan Ross ( talk) 12:38, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't see the message from C.Fred - Mr X 14:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Per ARBCOM request, I have renamed this account from User:RickAlanRoss1952 to User:Rick Alan Ross (moving the previous account to User:Rick Alan Ross (usurped)). I am given to understand that the individual behind the account has confirmed that they are in control of the new account. User:LFaraone, could you please confirm? Cheers WormTT( talk) 12:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. Thank you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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Just read your message, tx! For now I'd wait for two things to happen (neither of them will take too long any more I suppose: a few days max): (1) the AfD on the article being closed; (2) the ANI discussion being archived and/or closed.
In the mean while there's some area that might benefit you to have somewhat more feeling of: what (at Wikipedia) is understood by references to reliable sources. WP:V is somewhat where it starts (with WP:RS as an important subsidiary guideline, somewhat tough reading but there is no better summary for the time being); then there's WP:RSN if you want to see a bit "hands on" how Wikipedians put that in practice (I think your website has been mentioned somewhat a dozen times in its archive too). Then about formatting of references I'd recommend WP:CITE too, not so much for all the technicalities of references, but in order to get the main thrust, e.g. that a reference to a reliable source usually names an *author*, at least a *publication* (newspaper, book, trusted website, etc...), a date, etc. so that you understand that "it was all over Asian media" is not something we can work with, but "Article abc" by John Author in Newpaper XYZ, page ii, published Month dd, Year is something we can work with (no matter in what language that newspaper is written). -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 17:33, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
While you're not exactly new at this point, I thought you might find it helpful if I shared some advice I give to new editors:
I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Wikipedia: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily.
Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.
If you have a relationship with the topics you want to edit, then you will need to review Wikipedia's Conflict of interest policy, which may require you to disclose your relationship and restrict your editing depending upon how you are affiliated with the subject matter.
Some topic areas within Wikipedia have special editing restrictions that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant policies and guidelines.
I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again.
The article about you fits all the cases that I note: It's a biography, you have a conflict of interest with it, and it is under general sanctions. When I realized this as I was looking over the BLPN noticeboard discussion you started, I cringed at participating in the discussion. It's quite the hornet's nest.
One thing that might help you: Articles like this should be written from high-quality sources, and most of those sources should be secondary. Disputed content without such sources will be difficult to add to or retain within the article. When you make a suggestion, it will go much easier when you have a secondary source to support it.
Because of the subject matter, deprogramming, I expect the secondary sources to be popular news articles rather than the academic and peer-reviewed publications we'd like. In such situaions, we prefer news articles based upon in-depth reporting that includes historical context.
I hope you find some helpful information in all this. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:40, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I also wanted to chime in with further unsolicited advice. I urge you to exercise brevity in your talk page posts. Volunteer editors have limited time. It will help you to be more brief. Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
My original purpose in wanting to put the DS notice about Scientology on the talk page was to give notice to passing users and enforcing admins that the article was vulnerable beyond a typical BLP based on concerns you raised, most recently in your conversation with me at Talk:Steven Hassan (Who is also explicitly subject to the Scientology DS because he is in [Cat:Critics of Scientology], which I assume would fit you as well) but several other times as well. There is no question in my mind that the page falls under the Scientology decision and my original post was simply to ask a procedural question of the Arbs about whether I could place the template or if I had to ask an admin to.
Whether that template is there or not if I felt you were behaving in a way that I thought should be addressed in reference to Scientology I would simply open a complaint at Arbitration Enforcement and make my case. The only thing that template does is place users on notice that the article is subject to enhanced enforcement and warn people that Scientology crap may be going on.
Bishonen said it perfectly, what is now going on is simply shit-stirring for unknown reasons. At the most the template will put everyone on notice that disruptive behavior surrounding Scientology can be addressed under DS even if it is not an obvious or direct BLP violation, maybe not even that since I am not overly familiar with how admins interpret DS stemming from one case or another. Jbh Talk 01:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Please carefully read this information:
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.Per my edit to Talk:Rick Alan Ross I feel that your continued refusal to address one topic at a time and swamping editors at that talk page has become disruptive. You have been asked repeatedly to slow down and have refused to do so. Your overall behavior has, in my opinion passed from proper engagement by a BLP subject to disruption for the purpose of pushing your POV. See WP:CPUSH which I have pointed out to you before. This notice, in and of itself, does not mean that you will be subject to any sanction or even that there is a consensus your behavior is improper. It does however, provide the notice required for an WP:UNINVOLVED administrator to take action per WP:AC/DS without further warning if they feel such action is necessary. I have placed the same template where I record my WP:AC/DS awareness [3]. You are subject to nothing from this notice that I am not subject to as well. Jbh Talk 18:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Please do not edit talk page comments after replies or after they have been posted for more than a few minutes as you did today
[4]
[5]
[6]. If you must edit your comments please use strikeout to remove text and underline to insert text and add a signature and note that you have changed the comments. See
WP:REDACT. Thank you.
Jbh
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21:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
There is a preview button in the edit window, it is by far best that you preview your edits and make any changes you want before saving the edit. Everyone makes errors every now and then and correcting minor things infrequently is fine but if enough time has passed that it is likely someone has read the comment (and it is not a simple typo) you should follow WP:REDACT. If you want to add something you forgot, make it a new post. Jbh Talk 23:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
If there are editors who continuously add egregious BLP violating material to your article you can use the
WP:AC/DS system. To do that you need to read up on {{
Ds/alert}}. Essentially you place {{subst:Ds/alert|blp}}
on their talk page to make them officially "aware"
WP:AC/DS applies to the article. Technically you can do this for anyone editing the article because it is "informational" rather than a "warning" but some experienced editors can take it badly. It is best to explain why you gave the alert and make it very clear either what you feel is problematic or that it is for information. (I suppose you may make it a personal policy to alert/check for alerts for every editor at the article but that may backfire and make people less likely to work with you. You can also use {{subst:Ds/alert|sci}}
if you think the matter is related to Scientology but as I now understand it is does not really matter what case authorized DS only that the article is subject to DS.) When you try to save the alert the system will tell you how to check to see if the editor has already been notified. If they have been notified within the past year do not do so again as they are already officially "aware".
Once an editor is aware and if they continue violating policy you can contact and admin directly, create a section on the article talk page explaining the problem and tag it with {{ adminhelp}} or take the matter to Arbitration Enforcement rather than WP:ANI. Please remember that using this level of dispute resolution should be closer to last resort than first and if you bring complaints that are not major or continuing violations of policy you may get sanctioned instead - see WP:BOOMERANG for the concept. You can also {{ adminhelp}} or go to Arbitration Enforcement to resolve behavior problems without formally notifying an editor of WP:AC/DS but the sanctions available are not as flexible but it might be a better choice from an interpersonal point of view.
Always remember that you must provide diffs showing violations of policy and that accusing someone who has not violated policy can result in your own sanction. To help you calibrate what is can be sanctioned I will tell you that, in my firm opinion, none of the editors who you have accused of bad faith have done anything remotely close to being sanctionable. Read through some of the discussions/archives of WP:AE to get an idea of how things are done there, it is much more formal than WP:ANI and only administrators make decisions there.
There are also some other processes for dispute resolution related to content you should know about. They are requesting a third opinion which you can use when the dispute is between you and only one other editor. Some uninvolved editor will drop by the talk page and give an opinion on the dispute. There is also formal dispute resolution for more in depth matters or matters involving more than two editors. It involves directed discussion with an experienced mediator. Both of these are voluntary and the results are non-binding but they show a willingness to work to resolve the dispute and very often work.
I hope this helps you feel more confident that there are ways to use Wikipedia processes to address problems you have in the future. Also, FYI you should also read WP:FORUMSHOPPING to know what is proper escalation of an issue vs improper forum shopping. Jbh Talk 12:26, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
A very experienced editor (at least from their edit count, I have never enountered them) has started cleaning up Steven Hassan. You may want to take a look at what they are doing. Once there was some editing going on there it became much more likely someone would decide to clean it up since it started showing up on watch lists and logs. Cheers. Jbh Talk 01:05, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Just to let you know I read your invitation. From the trajectory I described above it might be clear I have little natural interest in the subject of that biography, so somewhat unlikely I will get involved. If you'd return the favour and give a little assistance here that might be different. Anyhow, speaking in general, if your concerns regarding that biographical article can't get resolved via the article's talk page it would be best to post about it on a relevant noticeboard (don't know which one would apply best, WP:COI, WP:RSN, WP:NPOVN, WP:BLPN, ... as I didn't read the stuff), anyway, far better than inviting individual editors. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 14:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The content of the Rick Alan Ross article is now the subject of a Dispute Resolution notice. The mediator has advised that you should be notified, even though you are not an editor on the page. Grammar'sLittleHelper ( talk) 18:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Re [7]: "I don't understand..." We've done far more than should be necessary to help you understand. Instead of demonstrating new understanding, following recommendations, or asking questions, you throw mud at the wall in the hope something will stick. Nothing is sticking. As I indicated, I don't think discussing it on the talk page further is helpful. As I offered earlier, if you identify a few sources (no more than 3 please) that you feel are he best, I'll review them in detail. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Please carefully read this information:
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you that sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.JimRenge ( talk) 15:29, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Jbhunley pinged me on the Steven Hassan talkpage. I expect you remember that the last time we discussed WP:BLP discretionary sanctions it was about violations against your bio, Rick Alan Ross. It was a rather different case, and that user ended up topic banned from anything to do with you. But JBH is absolutely right that the way you've used primary sources on Talk:Steven Hassan is inappropriate. Please read WP:PRIMARY: "Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." My italics. I agree you stuck close to the facts, but summarizing a primary source, in regard to sensitive negative information about a living person, isn't something we can do, either. To summarize is to select; you need to refer instead to a reliable secondary source that does the summarizing. As for using copies of primary sources hosted on your own web site, it's sort of hair-raising. It would be a good idea for you not to edit Steve Hassan at all IMO, since you clearly have a strong personal angle there — positive or negative — why else would you be hosting such material on your site? That's my opinion, and just advice, of course. Please be careful with the primary sources. Bishonen | talk 22:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC).
"Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person."WP:BLPPRIMARY Jbh Talk 18:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Attempting to place negative information - or really involving oneself at all - in the biography of a rival is extremely bad form. Wikipedia policy does not prohibit it but it would be unwise to think that the slack shown you while dealing with issues on your own biography will be extended here. Jbh Talk 20:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
I reverted your edit to Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines per WP:NOTAFORUM. You seem to struggle to be a useful editor. Venting your frustrations at a random talk page is not going to be tolerated. I think you would do well to quit editing Wikipedia per Wikipedia:NOTTHERAPY. Please find some other hobby. Chris Troutman ( talk) 17:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
{{
Edit COI}}
template there. See in particular
Template:Edit COI/doc § How to use. If you can prove that a policy is being violated in a way that needs immediate action (such as legally defamatory material being posted into an article), you could instead use {{
Admin help}}
(at the article talk page or your own talk page) to ask for administrator attention. But beware of making anything that could be interpreted as a legal threat, or you'll just get blocked (
WP:No legal threats). E.g. "I believe this material "[quote here]" is defamatory" is different from "I'm going to take legal action against this defamation if it is not removed". If you want help with cultists and such writing PoV-pushing nonsense, you're going to have to be very, very clear about what exactly is wrong with what exactly one of them posted (not wrong as to your opinion, but wrong as to our content policies and/or wrong as to what is said in reliable independent sources). It's best to get familiar with
the gist of our core content policies (or read the full policies in detail), and with
how to create a "diff" of a specific edit so you can identify exactly which edit (and who posted it) is the problem to be addressed. Requests for help that lack sufficient information generally don't get acted upon, since we're all volunteers here and are not mind-readers. —
SMcCandlish
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20:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC){{
Edit COI}}
or {{
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request posted here on this user-talk page could still work if it is clear enough. —
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I have blocked you from editing Steven Hassan and the talk page of this article. Your access to every other Wikipedia page is unaffected. Black Kite (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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here to start it.Greetings! Since you are holding yourself out to be Rick Alan Ross and Rick Alan Ross ( talk · contribs), you are subject to the ruling at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Rick Alan Ross instructed and restricted. Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee for the email address at which you can reach the committee; you must correspond with a member of the arbitration committee. — C.Fred ( talk) 17:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
A list of Arbcom members is available at
Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members. If you think there is some problem with your email you can start a new section here and {{
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one or two of them to get their attention on-wiki. I usually notice Courcelles, DGG and Doug Weller on regularly but all of the ones listed as active should notice a ping within a day or so. I hope this helps you resolve this matter.
Jbh
Talk
15:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I saw your recent edits. I'm somewhat offended by your "One Wikipedia user has insisted that..." ( [2]). Afaik there was a lot of them, including the admin who protected the talk pages against IP edits. So "One..." seems completely out of order. Not sure whether I'll let myself get involved in this again, I need a somewhat clearer editing environment for that to be productive I suppose.
Re. comparison with Steve Hassan's Wikipedia article: comparing in this sense is somewhat of a weak argument in Wikipedia, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (before even examining the WP:COI). If you have a problem with Mr. Hassan's page, post on its talk page with, if and when applicable, disclosure of your COI in the matter. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 13:03, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
No problem, hope I didn't annoy you too much. However there's an advantage in being more than a WP:SPA at Wikipedia. Tried to raise some more general interest in the Wikipedia project. Didn't work apparently, no problem, maybe just unsuccessful in uncovering other topics that might interest you here. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 08:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Interesting new news report about Prem Rawat reflects his actual history significance http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/9033909/greedy-guru Rick Alan Ross ( talk) 12:38, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't see the message from C.Fred - Mr X 14:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Per ARBCOM request, I have renamed this account from User:RickAlanRoss1952 to User:Rick Alan Ross (moving the previous account to User:Rick Alan Ross (usurped)). I am given to understand that the individual behind the account has confirmed that they are in control of the new account. User:LFaraone, could you please confirm? Cheers WormTT( talk) 12:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. Thank you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Just read your message, tx! For now I'd wait for two things to happen (neither of them will take too long any more I suppose: a few days max): (1) the AfD on the article being closed; (2) the ANI discussion being archived and/or closed.
In the mean while there's some area that might benefit you to have somewhat more feeling of: what (at Wikipedia) is understood by references to reliable sources. WP:V is somewhat where it starts (with WP:RS as an important subsidiary guideline, somewhat tough reading but there is no better summary for the time being); then there's WP:RSN if you want to see a bit "hands on" how Wikipedians put that in practice (I think your website has been mentioned somewhat a dozen times in its archive too). Then about formatting of references I'd recommend WP:CITE too, not so much for all the technicalities of references, but in order to get the main thrust, e.g. that a reference to a reliable source usually names an *author*, at least a *publication* (newspaper, book, trusted website, etc...), a date, etc. so that you understand that "it was all over Asian media" is not something we can work with, but "Article abc" by John Author in Newpaper XYZ, page ii, published Month dd, Year is something we can work with (no matter in what language that newspaper is written). -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 17:33, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
While you're not exactly new at this point, I thought you might find it helpful if I shared some advice I give to new editors:
I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Wikipedia: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily.
Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.
If you have a relationship with the topics you want to edit, then you will need to review Wikipedia's Conflict of interest policy, which may require you to disclose your relationship and restrict your editing depending upon how you are affiliated with the subject matter.
Some topic areas within Wikipedia have special editing restrictions that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant policies and guidelines.
I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again.
The article about you fits all the cases that I note: It's a biography, you have a conflict of interest with it, and it is under general sanctions. When I realized this as I was looking over the BLPN noticeboard discussion you started, I cringed at participating in the discussion. It's quite the hornet's nest.
One thing that might help you: Articles like this should be written from high-quality sources, and most of those sources should be secondary. Disputed content without such sources will be difficult to add to or retain within the article. When you make a suggestion, it will go much easier when you have a secondary source to support it.
Because of the subject matter, deprogramming, I expect the secondary sources to be popular news articles rather than the academic and peer-reviewed publications we'd like. In such situaions, we prefer news articles based upon in-depth reporting that includes historical context.
I hope you find some helpful information in all this. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:40, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I also wanted to chime in with further unsolicited advice. I urge you to exercise brevity in your talk page posts. Volunteer editors have limited time. It will help you to be more brief. Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
My original purpose in wanting to put the DS notice about Scientology on the talk page was to give notice to passing users and enforcing admins that the article was vulnerable beyond a typical BLP based on concerns you raised, most recently in your conversation with me at Talk:Steven Hassan (Who is also explicitly subject to the Scientology DS because he is in [Cat:Critics of Scientology], which I assume would fit you as well) but several other times as well. There is no question in my mind that the page falls under the Scientology decision and my original post was simply to ask a procedural question of the Arbs about whether I could place the template or if I had to ask an admin to.
Whether that template is there or not if I felt you were behaving in a way that I thought should be addressed in reference to Scientology I would simply open a complaint at Arbitration Enforcement and make my case. The only thing that template does is place users on notice that the article is subject to enhanced enforcement and warn people that Scientology crap may be going on.
Bishonen said it perfectly, what is now going on is simply shit-stirring for unknown reasons. At the most the template will put everyone on notice that disruptive behavior surrounding Scientology can be addressed under DS even if it is not an obvious or direct BLP violation, maybe not even that since I am not overly familiar with how admins interpret DS stemming from one case or another. Jbh Talk 01:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Please carefully read this information:
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.Per my edit to Talk:Rick Alan Ross I feel that your continued refusal to address one topic at a time and swamping editors at that talk page has become disruptive. You have been asked repeatedly to slow down and have refused to do so. Your overall behavior has, in my opinion passed from proper engagement by a BLP subject to disruption for the purpose of pushing your POV. See WP:CPUSH which I have pointed out to you before. This notice, in and of itself, does not mean that you will be subject to any sanction or even that there is a consensus your behavior is improper. It does however, provide the notice required for an WP:UNINVOLVED administrator to take action per WP:AC/DS without further warning if they feel such action is necessary. I have placed the same template where I record my WP:AC/DS awareness [3]. You are subject to nothing from this notice that I am not subject to as well. Jbh Talk 18:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Please do not edit talk page comments after replies or after they have been posted for more than a few minutes as you did today
[4]
[5]
[6]. If you must edit your comments please use strikeout to remove text and underline to insert text and add a signature and note that you have changed the comments. See
WP:REDACT. Thank you.
Jbh
Talk
21:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
There is a preview button in the edit window, it is by far best that you preview your edits and make any changes you want before saving the edit. Everyone makes errors every now and then and correcting minor things infrequently is fine but if enough time has passed that it is likely someone has read the comment (and it is not a simple typo) you should follow WP:REDACT. If you want to add something you forgot, make it a new post. Jbh Talk 23:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
If there are editors who continuously add egregious BLP violating material to your article you can use the
WP:AC/DS system. To do that you need to read up on {{
Ds/alert}}. Essentially you place {{subst:Ds/alert|blp}}
on their talk page to make them officially "aware"
WP:AC/DS applies to the article. Technically you can do this for anyone editing the article because it is "informational" rather than a "warning" but some experienced editors can take it badly. It is best to explain why you gave the alert and make it very clear either what you feel is problematic or that it is for information. (I suppose you may make it a personal policy to alert/check for alerts for every editor at the article but that may backfire and make people less likely to work with you. You can also use {{subst:Ds/alert|sci}}
if you think the matter is related to Scientology but as I now understand it is does not really matter what case authorized DS only that the article is subject to DS.) When you try to save the alert the system will tell you how to check to see if the editor has already been notified. If they have been notified within the past year do not do so again as they are already officially "aware".
Once an editor is aware and if they continue violating policy you can contact and admin directly, create a section on the article talk page explaining the problem and tag it with {{ adminhelp}} or take the matter to Arbitration Enforcement rather than WP:ANI. Please remember that using this level of dispute resolution should be closer to last resort than first and if you bring complaints that are not major or continuing violations of policy you may get sanctioned instead - see WP:BOOMERANG for the concept. You can also {{ adminhelp}} or go to Arbitration Enforcement to resolve behavior problems without formally notifying an editor of WP:AC/DS but the sanctions available are not as flexible but it might be a better choice from an interpersonal point of view.
Always remember that you must provide diffs showing violations of policy and that accusing someone who has not violated policy can result in your own sanction. To help you calibrate what is can be sanctioned I will tell you that, in my firm opinion, none of the editors who you have accused of bad faith have done anything remotely close to being sanctionable. Read through some of the discussions/archives of WP:AE to get an idea of how things are done there, it is much more formal than WP:ANI and only administrators make decisions there.
There are also some other processes for dispute resolution related to content you should know about. They are requesting a third opinion which you can use when the dispute is between you and only one other editor. Some uninvolved editor will drop by the talk page and give an opinion on the dispute. There is also formal dispute resolution for more in depth matters or matters involving more than two editors. It involves directed discussion with an experienced mediator. Both of these are voluntary and the results are non-binding but they show a willingness to work to resolve the dispute and very often work.
I hope this helps you feel more confident that there are ways to use Wikipedia processes to address problems you have in the future. Also, FYI you should also read WP:FORUMSHOPPING to know what is proper escalation of an issue vs improper forum shopping. Jbh Talk 12:26, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
A very experienced editor (at least from their edit count, I have never enountered them) has started cleaning up Steven Hassan. You may want to take a look at what they are doing. Once there was some editing going on there it became much more likely someone would decide to clean it up since it started showing up on watch lists and logs. Cheers. Jbh Talk 01:05, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Just to let you know I read your invitation. From the trajectory I described above it might be clear I have little natural interest in the subject of that biography, so somewhat unlikely I will get involved. If you'd return the favour and give a little assistance here that might be different. Anyhow, speaking in general, if your concerns regarding that biographical article can't get resolved via the article's talk page it would be best to post about it on a relevant noticeboard (don't know which one would apply best, WP:COI, WP:RSN, WP:NPOVN, WP:BLPN, ... as I didn't read the stuff), anyway, far better than inviting individual editors. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 14:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The content of the Rick Alan Ross article is now the subject of a Dispute Resolution notice. The mediator has advised that you should be notified, even though you are not an editor on the page. Grammar'sLittleHelper ( talk) 18:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Re [7]: "I don't understand..." We've done far more than should be necessary to help you understand. Instead of demonstrating new understanding, following recommendations, or asking questions, you throw mud at the wall in the hope something will stick. Nothing is sticking. As I indicated, I don't think discussing it on the talk page further is helpful. As I offered earlier, if you identify a few sources (no more than 3 please) that you feel are he best, I'll review them in detail. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Please carefully read this information:
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you that sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.JimRenge ( talk) 15:29, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Jbhunley pinged me on the Steven Hassan talkpage. I expect you remember that the last time we discussed WP:BLP discretionary sanctions it was about violations against your bio, Rick Alan Ross. It was a rather different case, and that user ended up topic banned from anything to do with you. But JBH is absolutely right that the way you've used primary sources on Talk:Steven Hassan is inappropriate. Please read WP:PRIMARY: "Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." My italics. I agree you stuck close to the facts, but summarizing a primary source, in regard to sensitive negative information about a living person, isn't something we can do, either. To summarize is to select; you need to refer instead to a reliable secondary source that does the summarizing. As for using copies of primary sources hosted on your own web site, it's sort of hair-raising. It would be a good idea for you not to edit Steve Hassan at all IMO, since you clearly have a strong personal angle there — positive or negative — why else would you be hosting such material on your site? That's my opinion, and just advice, of course. Please be careful with the primary sources. Bishonen | talk 22:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC).
"Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person."WP:BLPPRIMARY Jbh Talk 18:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Attempting to place negative information - or really involving oneself at all - in the biography of a rival is extremely bad form. Wikipedia policy does not prohibit it but it would be unwise to think that the slack shown you while dealing with issues on your own biography will be extended here. Jbh Talk 20:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
I reverted your edit to Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines per WP:NOTAFORUM. You seem to struggle to be a useful editor. Venting your frustrations at a random talk page is not going to be tolerated. I think you would do well to quit editing Wikipedia per Wikipedia:NOTTHERAPY. Please find some other hobby. Chris Troutman ( talk) 17:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
{{
Edit COI}}
template there. See in particular
Template:Edit COI/doc § How to use. If you can prove that a policy is being violated in a way that needs immediate action (such as legally defamatory material being posted into an article), you could instead use {{
Admin help}}
(at the article talk page or your own talk page) to ask for administrator attention. But beware of making anything that could be interpreted as a legal threat, or you'll just get blocked (
WP:No legal threats). E.g. "I believe this material "[quote here]" is defamatory" is different from "I'm going to take legal action against this defamation if it is not removed". If you want help with cultists and such writing PoV-pushing nonsense, you're going to have to be very, very clear about what exactly is wrong with what exactly one of them posted (not wrong as to your opinion, but wrong as to our content policies and/or wrong as to what is said in reliable independent sources). It's best to get familiar with
the gist of our core content policies (or read the full policies in detail), and with
how to create a "diff" of a specific edit so you can identify exactly which edit (and who posted it) is the problem to be addressed. Requests for help that lack sufficient information generally don't get acted upon, since we're all volunteers here and are not mind-readers. —
SMcCandlish
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20:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC){{
Edit COI}}
or {{
Admin help}}
request posted here on this user-talk page could still work if it is clear enough. —
SMcCandlish
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I have blocked you from editing Steven Hassan and the talk page of this article. Your access to every other Wikipedia page is unaffected. Black Kite (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)