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As you say, probably best to start off small and learn the ropes. If you need help, don't hesitate to ask. Some neat amendments to Vincent van Gogh - well done! Tyrenius 21:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I've just seen your user page entry, so I can see why you spotted the mistakes! It would be great if you could add to this article, as it needs strengthening. Tyrenius 00:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I shall do my best. And that's quite a different welcome than in good old Europe. Thank you -- wunny 00:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I've checked the article as you requested. You might want to check again, re. the Ph.D mention, which I removed as it didn't make proper sense. Tyrenius 23:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
This time some general remarks on the lemma and its present state. There are 3 points I would suggest to reconsider:
1. The present introduction is too long, and the lemma in its whole all but well structured.
2. Most of the text refers to secondary sources, and therefore contains personal views pushed by the authors referred to.
3. Van Gogh's primary contribution to civilisation, Western culture or however you want to call it, is difficult to appreciate from this text.
Therefore I would suggest to restructure the lemma, for example:
Notes, references &c.
Looking forward to hearing from you, -- wunny 21:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
First, I'd like to say how enormously valuable your comments on the Van Gogh article are. Many many thanks. There is so much that needs to be done on the article! You mentioned a little while ago that you could get back with some more details on the Gheel episode and the connection with the move to the Borinage. I'd be very interested in this. Stumps 11:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
What is your view about where the week's walk to Courrières fits in? Vincent says 'winter', he slept in the open, and saw haystacks which presumably were built large enough to last through the winter ... is there anything else that can help us know when this happened? — Stumps 11:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Well done on the Goupil & cie article! After your message about the http://www.culture.gouv.fr link, I thought this was exactly the right way to proceed, but hadn't found the time to make a start. You've done much better than I could have. Wonderful stuff! Stumps 20:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I've left a small question about the reference to early holdings in the Tate on Talk:Vincent van Gogh. Stumps 06:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I see you've been adding some details to Vincent van Gogh chronology for 1886. I've left a question on Talk:Vincent van Gogh chronology about Wilkie's 'allegations' about a woman named 'S'. I haven't come across any other material relating to this. Do you know any more on this? I'm about to head off on a couple of weeks' holiday, so I'll be taking a short wikibreak. I look forward to resuming work on the Van Gogh articles when I return in early August. Stumps 08:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I've left another question on the chronology's talk page about the dating of Vincent's visits to Amsterdam and The Hague. I had supposed he was in Amsterdam on 27 November confronting uncle Stricker. Stumps 13:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Restored. You somehow deleted all the text in yellow! [1]. Chronology looking brilliant! Tyrenius 02:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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You can copy this to your user page if you want! Tyrenius 02:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, but I think that I still produce too much trouble for people like you. I only want to contribute knowledge, and my problem is that my knowledge on Wikipedia, on many things which are dealing with basics are very, very poor. Anyway, I am happy that you appreciate my contributions. -- R.P.D. 03:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I am happy to help so that we get good articles, so let me know if you need help. If I'm not around try Yanksox who's a helpful person. Say I told you. Tyrenius 06:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Please get in touch whenever you want to. I'll provide the technical support (where I can). The discussion on names was herehere. However, this was for the main article. People should normally be referred to by surname, but where this creates confusion, then common sense has to be employed. In the chronology, it might be best to use Vincent and Theo throughout, and to make a note at the top to say why, e.g. "First names Vincent and Theo have been used throughout for the sake of clarity." Otherwise, Vincent could be referred to as "Van Gogh" throughout, and his brother as "Theo". There may be other acceptable solutions also. Tyrenius 08:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It's strange - the above post appears on my screen, but not when I try to edit it, so I've reposted it. Tyrenius 12:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If your research has been published, then there shouldn't be a problem, as long as it is not both a)self-published and/or vanity published and b) extreme views likely to be strongly disputed. I presume neither of these applies. However, you might like to make a note on the discussion page that you are using your own published material but working in liaison with Tyrenius and Stumps on Van Gogh articles, and that you are keeping both informed of your edits, so they can be monitored. I think that should be safe. However, to be honest - and as you may have noticed - there's not that much activity in these articles, so it's unlikely you will run into trouble. As far as I'm concerned the huge improvement and amount of work you are doing in a neglected area validates your approach.
Some tips. It's not house style to have bold apart from the repetition of the article title in the first sentence of the lead section. Dates should be wikified [[May 1]], [[1888]]. However years on their own should not be wikilinked, unless for a specific reason. This wikilinking is to enable people's preference settings to display dates according to their choice of date format.
Again, let me say how pleased I am that you are creating such a high standard for this very important artist, and don't hesitate to get in touch.
Tyrenius 00:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to ask, and I'll keep a watch. If you let me know the additional years for the chronology, I'll add them to the top index for you. Tyrenius 15:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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Tyrenius 22:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Just delete them, but the ones on VG look alright toe me. Tyrenius 20:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've restored it (I hope). Tyrenius 01:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes! Tyrenius 21:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
You mean eliminate the "Myths" section and integrate it with the main text? That's fine with me. Tyrenius 22:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Chronology - dates added per request. Also see talk page for possible continuation. Tyrenius 07:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome back. Which books do you not have? I might have them (but I am not living in the same house as my main library at the moment so I don't have access to all the books I'd like to). Are there particular footnotes that you want to focus on? Stumps 07:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
An interesting start to an article, but, I get no sense of what you are discussing here. Could you please add some explanatory information to the article? SteveHopson 18:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem with the Van Gogh template! I trust my template-making ability more than my writing style, so I don't know how much I can help on the actual Vincent van Gogh article. If I can just let me know!
You and User:Tyrenius. are doing an excellent job on the van Gogh article. I've never seen the book by Wilkie so I can't comment on it, but that seems to be the snag for you guys getting that page to FA status. Good luck and thanks again! Dafoeberezin3494 Dafoeberezin3494 04:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The article needs to be a complete balanced account of life and work. However, if any aspect gets too long, it can be turned into a separate article and summarised in the main article with a link to the new article. I hope that helps. Tyrenius 05:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I tagged The Wheat Field with the {{mergeto}} tag suggesting it be merged with Vincent van Gogh. I see from your userpage, however, that you are creating a lot of articles about van Gogh and his works, some of which (such as The Night Café) are fully developed articles. Hence, although it is still arguable that, due to lack of content, The Wheat Field should not exist as its own article, another argument can be made to tag it as a stub instead. As of right now, the merge tag remains. -- CPAScott 21:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for starting the page. I have been thinking of linking this with the Roulin family who some commentators say are depicted here, and I also think it is an appropriate place to start talking about the "bull games" in general at Arles. Stumps 01:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You'll be welcome whenever you would like to take up this offer. And at all, we can proceed as we did recently: You indicate where facts are lacking, and I shall try to supply them. -- RPD 20:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Just what you wanted:
Put this at the top of the article, while you are working on it, and you'll see magic happening and won't be troubled by merge tags. Tyrenius 06:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned, because although this article has a link to Van Gogh, there are no links going to the article at all, so no one is likely to find it. I've started a "see also" section in VG and added a link. You might like to add links to the other separate articles you've written. In addition it would be good to add a "see also" section to the painting articles with links to the other painting articles and any other relevant artices, e.g. the chronology. That way people can easily access one from another. Tyrenius 06:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I've moved the article to the above title, as this is what it is about. However, should it be Vincent van Gogh's display at Les XX, 1890 (i.e. with a comma before the date)? The link to the image Ivy doesn't work. As a style point, bold should not usually be used except in the lead section for the title of the article, so I've changed painting titles to italics. Please don't put your signature in the article! And you mustn't leave notes (such as saying the article is in progress) in the article itself. This can be mentioned on the talk page, although it's usually unnecessary. Anyway, I was very pleased to see this article, and it's a great addition. Do you have Monet's quote that VG's was the best work in the show? And I think Lautrec and the duel incident should be included. Tyrenius 02:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem — I can provide such technical backup! Definitely put in a reproduction of Ivy. I may have mistaken Monet's quote, judging from the VG article, which says it was about another show. Tyrenius 17:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the template. Tyrenius 01:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Superb photo! I really enjoyed seeing it. Tyrenius 03:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice clarification of the footnote on the bombardment of Yellow House (Arles) ... but we now have a discrepancy ... the article says 'June' and the note say 'Juillet' ... quite possibly June was my mistake (making a slip in my at times illegible notes) ... I can't verify this right now, so I've left the inconsistency in the article. Stumps 09:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm enjoying reading your edits to Post-Impressionism ... very clear summary. I've added a rather pedantic question to Talk:Post-Impressionism about the first use of the term. Stumps 14:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello RPD! Thank you very much for the barnstar! I'll see how much time I have off and on, I'll still be checking Wikipedia on the weekends. But for now I won't be doing much major editing, and I am about to start studying soon. Good luck on the Vincent van Gogh article, I think it is very close to FA status! Happy editing, and thanks again! Dafoeberezin3494 23:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Is this one correct? [2] Tyrenius 19:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The edits seem correct. You reverted here, yet in Alfredo Muller he is stated to be a member of the Society. Is this not correct? The edits here seem incorrectly formatted, but not vandal (i.e. bad faith with intent to spoil the encyclopedia). Tyrenius 00:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
My stomach is educated since decades, and its rate to be wrong is low. Therefore, the change from Vess collection to "Private collection", already and forever documented in Wikipedia, provides room to think. -- RPD 01:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see a problem. Anyway, Guinnog has removed the example. He is an experienced editor (and an admin). Tyrenius 00:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
You have reverted the corrected entry which I made this afternoon to the prior incorrect entry in this category. The prior edits were complete gibberish when I fixed them today, and you have now reintroduced incorrect information and irrelevant asides - it is not pertinent that paint comes in tubes, for example; that has nothing to do with pointillism. Please restore the proper entry. Additionally, you have accused me of vandalism simply for correcting an entry which you seem to feel you own. You do not own it; that's not how things work here. I'll appreciate if you retract that statement. Thanks. - Corporal Tunnel 06:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Please supply valid reference for your point of vue. Mine is based on reference works since Rewald's Post-Impressionism and art historical research published since then. As far as I see, the present version of this article does not supply any sources, and your revert does not either. -- RPD 06:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Pointillism is a name for a school of painting. It is not a spoof, a parody, or a joke. It may have been once in the 1880's, but that time is long past. Pointillism is a school practiced by a few artists, whose non-ridiculous works hang without parody in great museums the world over. Seurat, Signac, and Cross are three of the best-known practitioners; I was also going to add Pissarro, whose work I am rather fond of, but there is a limit to how many examples are needed. I am not supplying a POV, just fact.
Pointillism is also closely related to Divisonism, a fact you should not have taken out. As for references, Google finds 347,000, of which 31 also use the word "ridiculize." I believe you mean "ridicule." As far as that goes, there are several hits - well under 1,000 - that use that word. Some of those mention that Pointillism was at first ridiculed, along with nearly every other expression of modern art, and was then accepted as a meaningful school. Most are off topic. Any mention of ridicule is pure POV and does not belong in an introduction to the subject. It should probably trail along somewhere by the end as an interesting bit of distant history, if it is included at all.
A few references:
http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?object_id=79333
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/pointillism.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/seurat/
http://www.artfact.com/features/viewStyle.cfm?gID=31
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0110603/pointillism.html
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0012480.html
As to why you would remove a cogent and well-written simple explanation of how pointillism is like a modern press or monitor, or remove a relevant reference to a related school of optical painting, I find no explanation. Please restore my edit, which is correct and rather nicely written. Thanks. -
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07:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you would be looking for for dates and so forth for this article. It is meant to be a general article on what a Grand Lodge is, and as there are many of them that were incorporated over a very long time (and even today), it is difficult to give dates in a general sense. MSJapan 01:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I changed the caption for Hutschenreuther to read "Lorenz Hutschenreuther Selb" for the marks on the back. I was interested because my mom said she visited a man named Osborne Olsen when she was 9 years old. I finally figured out who he was and how he was related to me after much research. To fill out his biography, I started the page on the ceramics he used. If you think the caption still needs to be changed, go ahead and change it. Do you have access to more marks for the article? I have beem going through my families collection to see what I can find. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I am just starting a new page. You seem to be knowledgeable on art of the late 19th century. You are welcome to make any revisions on my Haystacks (Monet) page. I have a long way to go. I was wondering if there is a category for Series Paintings. This is my second Series ( Campbell's Soup Cans). I am also wondering if the term series is a serious enough art term to deserve mention on the Series dab page. I am an art hack who has never studied formally. I have never painted. I attend about 3-5 exhibits a year though.
so please don't feel picked on. Here's my thing. I've been watching list of sculptors recently and have been weeding out the entries in red on the theory that this is an index of sculptors in wikipedia. However i have been reluctant to remove artists that I know or discover to be real, wikipedia worthy people, so am trying to decide if i should just do a stub - maybe a lot of stubs - of these folks or leave them on the list [I HATE lists with too much red - check out the List of Frank Lloyd Wright works for example.
For example, i checked out one, François-Joseph Duret (1804 - 1865) and discovered that there are at least two sculptors with that name, (1732 - 1816) and (1804 - 1865)- this one is the son - and both probably could comfortably be in wikipedia. I did have a rather bad moment recently when someone DELETED my article on Connor Barrett about an hour [maybe less] after I first posted it, on the theory that he was not wikiworthy [or something] and a lot of these fairly remote (in time and place from me) artists are a lot more obscure than Barrett. So, i would like to know that i have the support of the wikipedia art history community before doing this. Drop me a line, if you wish to sit down and be counted. Life is good, Carptrash 05:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC) P.S. although i do mostly American art i have contributed to lots on non-American articles including Aleijadinho, Ásmundur Sveinsson, Einar Jonsson, Gunnfrídur Jónsdóttir, Henry Moore, Ivan Meštrović, Ørnulf Bast, Rayner Hoff, and probably some others. I say this because most of the stubs I'm proposing would be Europeans.
Thank you for discovering the lacuna ... I looked back into the history and found that there was a paragraph on this, back in June, which I have now reinstated. I am not sure if I have reinstated the most recent version of the paragraph, and will continue to investigate the differences between older versions and the current version. Stumps 04:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The entire section on the Borinage was blanked on the 13 November 2006. The vandalism was not properly reverted. This was the only mistake in the reverting. I have reinstated the entire section as it was on 12 November 2006, just prior to the blanking. Once again, many thanks for seeing this!! Stumps 04:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the level of vandalism (particularly since the school year resumed at the beginning of September) is very annoying, and vandalism is — I understand — one of the main reasons why good editors stop contributing to wikipedia, so it is a very important issue. User:Tyrenius proposed the same thing back in May this year, but it was decided at that time not to apply for protection, although the discussion was left open - that was actually how I became involved with the article! I decided to watch the edits more carefully, and started seeing all sorts of gaps and problems in the article. I am certainly annoyed by the high level of vandalism, but also accept that protection is contrary to some of the ideals of wikipedia ... if it gets to the point where the vandalism makes it almost imposible to work constructively on the article then I would unhesitatingly support a proposal for protection, but I feel things are not quite bad enough yet. Stumps 10:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi ... I see that someone unitalicied "above-mentioned" in the article The Starry Night and you reverted it. I wonder if it might not be better to indicate that it is a quotation from the translated letter by using quotation marks, otherwise we might face the same issue again, where less careful editors assume that it is a misatake, or part of the title of a work. What do you think? If you agree I could make the necessary edits. Stumps 07:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed you blanked this. It is still available in the history. If you want, I can delete it for you, so it is only accessible to admins. Tyrenius 07:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
That should be done now. All relevant early pages deleted. Thanks for your kind offer of scholarly advice. You've given a lot to the encyclopedia and created some great articles. Tyrenius 19:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
FYI. Tyrenius 01:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Done. Good to hear from you. I've now watchlisted it (I'd missed it out for some reason). You can always go to history, click on the date you want, then edit for that version, and save. It will then upload that clean historic version. Tyrenius 22:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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As you say, probably best to start off small and learn the ropes. If you need help, don't hesitate to ask. Some neat amendments to Vincent van Gogh - well done! Tyrenius 21:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I've just seen your user page entry, so I can see why you spotted the mistakes! It would be great if you could add to this article, as it needs strengthening. Tyrenius 00:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I shall do my best. And that's quite a different welcome than in good old Europe. Thank you -- wunny 00:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I've checked the article as you requested. You might want to check again, re. the Ph.D mention, which I removed as it didn't make proper sense. Tyrenius 23:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
This time some general remarks on the lemma and its present state. There are 3 points I would suggest to reconsider:
1. The present introduction is too long, and the lemma in its whole all but well structured.
2. Most of the text refers to secondary sources, and therefore contains personal views pushed by the authors referred to.
3. Van Gogh's primary contribution to civilisation, Western culture or however you want to call it, is difficult to appreciate from this text.
Therefore I would suggest to restructure the lemma, for example:
Notes, references &c.
Looking forward to hearing from you, -- wunny 21:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
First, I'd like to say how enormously valuable your comments on the Van Gogh article are. Many many thanks. There is so much that needs to be done on the article! You mentioned a little while ago that you could get back with some more details on the Gheel episode and the connection with the move to the Borinage. I'd be very interested in this. Stumps 11:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
What is your view about where the week's walk to Courrières fits in? Vincent says 'winter', he slept in the open, and saw haystacks which presumably were built large enough to last through the winter ... is there anything else that can help us know when this happened? — Stumps 11:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Well done on the Goupil & cie article! After your message about the http://www.culture.gouv.fr link, I thought this was exactly the right way to proceed, but hadn't found the time to make a start. You've done much better than I could have. Wonderful stuff! Stumps 20:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I've left a small question about the reference to early holdings in the Tate on Talk:Vincent van Gogh. Stumps 06:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I see you've been adding some details to Vincent van Gogh chronology for 1886. I've left a question on Talk:Vincent van Gogh chronology about Wilkie's 'allegations' about a woman named 'S'. I haven't come across any other material relating to this. Do you know any more on this? I'm about to head off on a couple of weeks' holiday, so I'll be taking a short wikibreak. I look forward to resuming work on the Van Gogh articles when I return in early August. Stumps 08:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I've left another question on the chronology's talk page about the dating of Vincent's visits to Amsterdam and The Hague. I had supposed he was in Amsterdam on 27 November confronting uncle Stricker. Stumps 13:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Restored. You somehow deleted all the text in yellow! [1]. Chronology looking brilliant! Tyrenius 02:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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You can copy this to your user page if you want! Tyrenius 02:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, but I think that I still produce too much trouble for people like you. I only want to contribute knowledge, and my problem is that my knowledge on Wikipedia, on many things which are dealing with basics are very, very poor. Anyway, I am happy that you appreciate my contributions. -- R.P.D. 03:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I am happy to help so that we get good articles, so let me know if you need help. If I'm not around try Yanksox who's a helpful person. Say I told you. Tyrenius 06:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Please get in touch whenever you want to. I'll provide the technical support (where I can). The discussion on names was herehere. However, this was for the main article. People should normally be referred to by surname, but where this creates confusion, then common sense has to be employed. In the chronology, it might be best to use Vincent and Theo throughout, and to make a note at the top to say why, e.g. "First names Vincent and Theo have been used throughout for the sake of clarity." Otherwise, Vincent could be referred to as "Van Gogh" throughout, and his brother as "Theo". There may be other acceptable solutions also. Tyrenius 08:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It's strange - the above post appears on my screen, but not when I try to edit it, so I've reposted it. Tyrenius 12:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If your research has been published, then there shouldn't be a problem, as long as it is not both a)self-published and/or vanity published and b) extreme views likely to be strongly disputed. I presume neither of these applies. However, you might like to make a note on the discussion page that you are using your own published material but working in liaison with Tyrenius and Stumps on Van Gogh articles, and that you are keeping both informed of your edits, so they can be monitored. I think that should be safe. However, to be honest - and as you may have noticed - there's not that much activity in these articles, so it's unlikely you will run into trouble. As far as I'm concerned the huge improvement and amount of work you are doing in a neglected area validates your approach.
Some tips. It's not house style to have bold apart from the repetition of the article title in the first sentence of the lead section. Dates should be wikified [[May 1]], [[1888]]. However years on their own should not be wikilinked, unless for a specific reason. This wikilinking is to enable people's preference settings to display dates according to their choice of date format.
Again, let me say how pleased I am that you are creating such a high standard for this very important artist, and don't hesitate to get in touch.
Tyrenius 00:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to ask, and I'll keep a watch. If you let me know the additional years for the chronology, I'll add them to the top index for you. Tyrenius 15:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, not my field of knowledge. Best to discuss with:
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Tyrenius 22:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Just delete them, but the ones on VG look alright toe me. Tyrenius 20:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've restored it (I hope). Tyrenius 01:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes! Tyrenius 21:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
You mean eliminate the "Myths" section and integrate it with the main text? That's fine with me. Tyrenius 22:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Chronology - dates added per request. Also see talk page for possible continuation. Tyrenius 07:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome back. Which books do you not have? I might have them (but I am not living in the same house as my main library at the moment so I don't have access to all the books I'd like to). Are there particular footnotes that you want to focus on? Stumps 07:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
An interesting start to an article, but, I get no sense of what you are discussing here. Could you please add some explanatory information to the article? SteveHopson 18:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem with the Van Gogh template! I trust my template-making ability more than my writing style, so I don't know how much I can help on the actual Vincent van Gogh article. If I can just let me know!
You and User:Tyrenius. are doing an excellent job on the van Gogh article. I've never seen the book by Wilkie so I can't comment on it, but that seems to be the snag for you guys getting that page to FA status. Good luck and thanks again! Dafoeberezin3494 Dafoeberezin3494 04:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The article needs to be a complete balanced account of life and work. However, if any aspect gets too long, it can be turned into a separate article and summarised in the main article with a link to the new article. I hope that helps. Tyrenius 05:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I tagged The Wheat Field with the {{mergeto}} tag suggesting it be merged with Vincent van Gogh. I see from your userpage, however, that you are creating a lot of articles about van Gogh and his works, some of which (such as The Night Café) are fully developed articles. Hence, although it is still arguable that, due to lack of content, The Wheat Field should not exist as its own article, another argument can be made to tag it as a stub instead. As of right now, the merge tag remains. -- CPAScott 21:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for starting the page. I have been thinking of linking this with the Roulin family who some commentators say are depicted here, and I also think it is an appropriate place to start talking about the "bull games" in general at Arles. Stumps 01:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You'll be welcome whenever you would like to take up this offer. And at all, we can proceed as we did recently: You indicate where facts are lacking, and I shall try to supply them. -- RPD 20:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Just what you wanted:
Put this at the top of the article, while you are working on it, and you'll see magic happening and won't be troubled by merge tags. Tyrenius 06:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned, because although this article has a link to Van Gogh, there are no links going to the article at all, so no one is likely to find it. I've started a "see also" section in VG and added a link. You might like to add links to the other separate articles you've written. In addition it would be good to add a "see also" section to the painting articles with links to the other painting articles and any other relevant artices, e.g. the chronology. That way people can easily access one from another. Tyrenius 06:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I've moved the article to the above title, as this is what it is about. However, should it be Vincent van Gogh's display at Les XX, 1890 (i.e. with a comma before the date)? The link to the image Ivy doesn't work. As a style point, bold should not usually be used except in the lead section for the title of the article, so I've changed painting titles to italics. Please don't put your signature in the article! And you mustn't leave notes (such as saying the article is in progress) in the article itself. This can be mentioned on the talk page, although it's usually unnecessary. Anyway, I was very pleased to see this article, and it's a great addition. Do you have Monet's quote that VG's was the best work in the show? And I think Lautrec and the duel incident should be included. Tyrenius 02:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem — I can provide such technical backup! Definitely put in a reproduction of Ivy. I may have mistaken Monet's quote, judging from the VG article, which says it was about another show. Tyrenius 17:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the template. Tyrenius 01:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Superb photo! I really enjoyed seeing it. Tyrenius 03:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice clarification of the footnote on the bombardment of Yellow House (Arles) ... but we now have a discrepancy ... the article says 'June' and the note say 'Juillet' ... quite possibly June was my mistake (making a slip in my at times illegible notes) ... I can't verify this right now, so I've left the inconsistency in the article. Stumps 09:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm enjoying reading your edits to Post-Impressionism ... very clear summary. I've added a rather pedantic question to Talk:Post-Impressionism about the first use of the term. Stumps 14:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello RPD! Thank you very much for the barnstar! I'll see how much time I have off and on, I'll still be checking Wikipedia on the weekends. But for now I won't be doing much major editing, and I am about to start studying soon. Good luck on the Vincent van Gogh article, I think it is very close to FA status! Happy editing, and thanks again! Dafoeberezin3494 23:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Is this one correct? [2] Tyrenius 19:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The edits seem correct. You reverted here, yet in Alfredo Muller he is stated to be a member of the Society. Is this not correct? The edits here seem incorrectly formatted, but not vandal (i.e. bad faith with intent to spoil the encyclopedia). Tyrenius 00:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
My stomach is educated since decades, and its rate to be wrong is low. Therefore, the change from Vess collection to "Private collection", already and forever documented in Wikipedia, provides room to think. -- RPD 01:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see a problem. Anyway, Guinnog has removed the example. He is an experienced editor (and an admin). Tyrenius 00:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
You have reverted the corrected entry which I made this afternoon to the prior incorrect entry in this category. The prior edits were complete gibberish when I fixed them today, and you have now reintroduced incorrect information and irrelevant asides - it is not pertinent that paint comes in tubes, for example; that has nothing to do with pointillism. Please restore the proper entry. Additionally, you have accused me of vandalism simply for correcting an entry which you seem to feel you own. You do not own it; that's not how things work here. I'll appreciate if you retract that statement. Thanks. - Corporal Tunnel 06:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Please supply valid reference for your point of vue. Mine is based on reference works since Rewald's Post-Impressionism and art historical research published since then. As far as I see, the present version of this article does not supply any sources, and your revert does not either. -- RPD 06:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Pointillism is a name for a school of painting. It is not a spoof, a parody, or a joke. It may have been once in the 1880's, but that time is long past. Pointillism is a school practiced by a few artists, whose non-ridiculous works hang without parody in great museums the world over. Seurat, Signac, and Cross are three of the best-known practitioners; I was also going to add Pissarro, whose work I am rather fond of, but there is a limit to how many examples are needed. I am not supplying a POV, just fact.
Pointillism is also closely related to Divisonism, a fact you should not have taken out. As for references, Google finds 347,000, of which 31 also use the word "ridiculize." I believe you mean "ridicule." As far as that goes, there are several hits - well under 1,000 - that use that word. Some of those mention that Pointillism was at first ridiculed, along with nearly every other expression of modern art, and was then accepted as a meaningful school. Most are off topic. Any mention of ridicule is pure POV and does not belong in an introduction to the subject. It should probably trail along somewhere by the end as an interesting bit of distant history, if it is included at all.
A few references:
http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?object_id=79333
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/pointillism.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/seurat/
http://www.artfact.com/features/viewStyle.cfm?gID=31
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0110603/pointillism.html
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0012480.html
As to why you would remove a cogent and well-written simple explanation of how pointillism is like a modern press or monitor, or remove a relevant reference to a related school of optical painting, I find no explanation. Please restore my edit, which is correct and rather nicely written. Thanks. -
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I'm not sure what you would be looking for for dates and so forth for this article. It is meant to be a general article on what a Grand Lodge is, and as there are many of them that were incorporated over a very long time (and even today), it is difficult to give dates in a general sense. MSJapan 01:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I changed the caption for Hutschenreuther to read "Lorenz Hutschenreuther Selb" for the marks on the back. I was interested because my mom said she visited a man named Osborne Olsen when she was 9 years old. I finally figured out who he was and how he was related to me after much research. To fill out his biography, I started the page on the ceramics he used. If you think the caption still needs to be changed, go ahead and change it. Do you have access to more marks for the article? I have beem going through my families collection to see what I can find. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I am just starting a new page. You seem to be knowledgeable on art of the late 19th century. You are welcome to make any revisions on my Haystacks (Monet) page. I have a long way to go. I was wondering if there is a category for Series Paintings. This is my second Series ( Campbell's Soup Cans). I am also wondering if the term series is a serious enough art term to deserve mention on the Series dab page. I am an art hack who has never studied formally. I have never painted. I attend about 3-5 exhibits a year though.
so please don't feel picked on. Here's my thing. I've been watching list of sculptors recently and have been weeding out the entries in red on the theory that this is an index of sculptors in wikipedia. However i have been reluctant to remove artists that I know or discover to be real, wikipedia worthy people, so am trying to decide if i should just do a stub - maybe a lot of stubs - of these folks or leave them on the list [I HATE lists with too much red - check out the List of Frank Lloyd Wright works for example.
For example, i checked out one, François-Joseph Duret (1804 - 1865) and discovered that there are at least two sculptors with that name, (1732 - 1816) and (1804 - 1865)- this one is the son - and both probably could comfortably be in wikipedia. I did have a rather bad moment recently when someone DELETED my article on Connor Barrett about an hour [maybe less] after I first posted it, on the theory that he was not wikiworthy [or something] and a lot of these fairly remote (in time and place from me) artists are a lot more obscure than Barrett. So, i would like to know that i have the support of the wikipedia art history community before doing this. Drop me a line, if you wish to sit down and be counted. Life is good, Carptrash 05:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC) P.S. although i do mostly American art i have contributed to lots on non-American articles including Aleijadinho, Ásmundur Sveinsson, Einar Jonsson, Gunnfrídur Jónsdóttir, Henry Moore, Ivan Meštrović, Ørnulf Bast, Rayner Hoff, and probably some others. I say this because most of the stubs I'm proposing would be Europeans.
Thank you for discovering the lacuna ... I looked back into the history and found that there was a paragraph on this, back in June, which I have now reinstated. I am not sure if I have reinstated the most recent version of the paragraph, and will continue to investigate the differences between older versions and the current version. Stumps 04:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The entire section on the Borinage was blanked on the 13 November 2006. The vandalism was not properly reverted. This was the only mistake in the reverting. I have reinstated the entire section as it was on 12 November 2006, just prior to the blanking. Once again, many thanks for seeing this!! Stumps 04:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the level of vandalism (particularly since the school year resumed at the beginning of September) is very annoying, and vandalism is — I understand — one of the main reasons why good editors stop contributing to wikipedia, so it is a very important issue. User:Tyrenius proposed the same thing back in May this year, but it was decided at that time not to apply for protection, although the discussion was left open - that was actually how I became involved with the article! I decided to watch the edits more carefully, and started seeing all sorts of gaps and problems in the article. I am certainly annoyed by the high level of vandalism, but also accept that protection is contrary to some of the ideals of wikipedia ... if it gets to the point where the vandalism makes it almost imposible to work constructively on the article then I would unhesitatingly support a proposal for protection, but I feel things are not quite bad enough yet. Stumps 10:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi ... I see that someone unitalicied "above-mentioned" in the article The Starry Night and you reverted it. I wonder if it might not be better to indicate that it is a quotation from the translated letter by using quotation marks, otherwise we might face the same issue again, where less careful editors assume that it is a misatake, or part of the title of a work. What do you think? If you agree I could make the necessary edits. Stumps 07:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed you blanked this. It is still available in the history. If you want, I can delete it for you, so it is only accessible to admins. Tyrenius 07:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
That should be done now. All relevant early pages deleted. Thanks for your kind offer of scholarly advice. You've given a lot to the encyclopedia and created some great articles. Tyrenius 19:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
FYI. Tyrenius 01:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Done. Good to hear from you. I've now watchlisted it (I'd missed it out for some reason). You can always go to history, click on the date you want, then edit for that version, and save. It will then upload that clean historic version. Tyrenius 22:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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