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Vincent van Gogh | |
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General | The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum |
Paintings | List of works | The Starry Night | The Church at Auvers | The Night Café | Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows |
Related | Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin |
New template (no picture)
Vincent van Gogh | |
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General | The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum |
Paintings | List of works | The Starry Night | The Church at Auvers | The Night Café | Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows |
Related | Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin |
Original template
Vincent van Gogh |
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General:
The artist |
Chronology |
Medical condition |
Display at Les XX, 1890 |
Posthumous fame |
Van Gogh Museum |
Post-Impressionism |
Theo van Gogh |
Paul Gaugin Paintings: List of works | The Starry Night | Sunflowers The Night Café | The Church at Auvers | Wheat Field with Crows |
Long template
I just figured out how to do this!! Stay tuned!! Dafoeberezin3494 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Now that's my first choice!! Dafoeberezin3494 02:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The new template is bulky and the top blue band imbalanced and too big. Last choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
This is graphically smart, but increases the size for less information (the picture is lacking) and is slightly less user-friendly as the titles are in one box and the links appear as a bulk of text, not clearly separated. Third choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
My own feeling is that the original is the most attractive and user-friendly with the bold text easily showing where to look for subjects and a nice image. First choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If more links are added the long version would be best as it allows a lot of links without increasing the depth. First choice if more links added. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Vincent van Gogh | |
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General |
The Artist |
Chronology |
Medical condition |
Posthumous fame Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum | Theo van Gogh |
Paintings |
List of works |
The Starry Night |
Self-Portraits |
The Night Café Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows | The Church at Auvers |
Related | Post-Impressionism | Paul Gauguin | The Roulin Family |
This is the best idea I have to make it more compact, I don't think I can get the picture in without making the title bar way too big. I made this by studying other templates; I haven't seen one yet that will let me do that. But I would vote for this as my first choice. Dafoeberezin3494 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If you remove bar from Gauguin, "Post" pops up onto it. I think we will have to have a bar between each link for consistency. Also if more links get added or the image gets changed to a different width, the links will move around and it won't matter. Also is there any particular order for the paintings? Tyrenius 03:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
What setting is your computer on? Post doesn't go up to the next line on mine. If you need to do that on yours I can live with that. The paintings were ordered so they all fit on four lines. Dafoeberezin3494 03:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Just have a look on my user page, there are several more now, indeed. -- RPD 04:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I got confused by the template: I wanted to go from "Starry Night" to the main van Gogh article, but didn't understand that "The Artist" linked to "Vincent van Gogh." I wonder if anyone else ever has this problem, or if I'm the only doofus. Perhaps we could link the words "Vincent van Gogh in the top of the template as well. — Scouter Sig 16:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please list any new Van Gogh articles here. Once they're added to the template, please mark them as such. Tyrenius 05:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Groups or series by Vincent van Gogh: Flowering Orchards - Vincent van Gogh's Décoration for the Yellow House in Arles - The Wheat Field - Copies after Millet, and others - Vincent van Gogh's Double-squares and Squares from Auvers
Paintings by Vincent van Gogh: Portrait of Paul-Eugène Milliet - At Eternity's Gate - Daubigny's Garden - Les Arènes - The Town Hall at Auvers - View of Arles, Flowering Orchards - Ivy, two paintings by Vincent van Gogh
But I vaguely remember that there are more which already existed, and I have slightly expanded. I'll check it. -- RPD 05:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I hope to have completed my work - it's a rather long list, and I think it is the best to expand my previous list (including the items lacking). At the same time I would propose a separation in the template: between majour groups and series on one side - and single paintings (or pairs, completed by preliminary work and repetitions) on the other side.
I'm not very happy with the split of the portraits. Probably one entry summarising all of them would be sufficient (and allow to include other portrait studies). While others, like the Roulin Familly, definitely need to be discussed separately. But I think this is simply a matter of appropriate links. RPD 21:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Vincent van Gogh (1853-1890) |
based on the template Warsaw Uprising
A template like this could accompany all majour essays on Van Gogh at the top of the page (!!!). All contributions on Van Gogh could then supply a second template (without images, givings a full inventory of related articles)
I did not think of short, but of long articles, and their it could help the reader to select the information he requires: some lines on the main page, or an exhaustive statement on a subpage. The template at the end is, I feel, not really helpful with major (longer) articles.-- RPD 01:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Alright. I have a problem with this template's colours. First of all, I'm not going to hide the fact that I think they're hideous—they might have been Van Gogh's "favourite colours" (as I saw written somewhere) but I highly doubt that he preferred anything close to these particular shades, as they are frankly not that great.
Either way, it doesn't particularly matter what the shades are, as the colours are distracting, non-standard, and are arbitrarily decorative, which WP:NAV discourages against. While WP:NAV is technically an essay, and not a policy or official guideline, it makes a very valid point. I would just change it myself, but I've seen that previous attempts to change the colour have been reverted.
At any rate, these non-standard colours are simply a color of the bikeshed argument, and I think if we want to make the template look nice, a photo on the side would be just fine, and the template would be a lot easier to read.
Please comment. Mr. Absurd ( talk) 04:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Uh...his brother, his sister in law, his cousin and his great grand nephew are all relatives..and relevant... Modernist ( talk) 05:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, family is family... Modernist ( talk) 05:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I propose to add Wil van Gogh, Vincent's minor sister - one of the first Dutch feminists. Since a while, I collect notes relating to her in my sandbox. My first trial to establish an entry was removed, but if you think it's worthwhile, I'll reinsert and expand my remarks. -- rpd ( talk) 23:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the list of paintings be organized chronologically of alphabetically? – Editør ( talk) 19:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
The Vincent van Gogh portal was recently deleted. I've removed the red link from the template. BlackcurrantTea ( talk) 10:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Meadows near Rijswijk and the Schenkweg is a single watercolour painting and belongs in the Other Works section of the template and not in Groups of Works Hochithecreator ( talk) 00:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Plainly a watercolor painting is a painting (that is, the application of a medium to a matrix to create an image) just as much as an oil painting or tempera painting or ink wash painting or encaustic painting or fresco painting, or even a cave painting. Categorising an artist's works by medium is one possible choice, and for what it is worth, in this case I agree, it makes sense to separate the watercolours and drawings out into their own special boxes. Should we label the big one "Oil paintings" though, not just "Paintings"?
And while I am here, do we really need that prominent yellow bar at the bottom, with just " Book", or can we merge that in somewhere else? What is so special about " Book"? Theramin ( talk) 03:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
In accord with the consensus reached above, I have separated out watercolours and drawings into two different sections. Hochithecreator ( talk) 22:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Biography: Arts and Entertainment Template‑class | ||||||||||
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Netherlands Template‑class | |||||||
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Visual arts Template‑class | |||||||
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New template
Vincent van Gogh | |
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General | The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum |
Paintings | List of works | The Starry Night | The Church at Auvers | The Night Café | Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows |
Related | Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin |
New template (no picture)
Vincent van Gogh | |
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General | The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum |
Paintings | List of works | The Starry Night | The Church at Auvers | The Night Café | Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows |
Related | Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin |
Original template
Vincent van Gogh |
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General:
The artist |
Chronology |
Medical condition |
Display at Les XX, 1890 |
Posthumous fame |
Van Gogh Museum |
Post-Impressionism |
Theo van Gogh |
Paul Gaugin Paintings: List of works | The Starry Night | Sunflowers The Night Café | The Church at Auvers | Wheat Field with Crows |
Long template
I just figured out how to do this!! Stay tuned!! Dafoeberezin3494 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Now that's my first choice!! Dafoeberezin3494 02:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The new template is bulky and the top blue band imbalanced and too big. Last choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
This is graphically smart, but increases the size for less information (the picture is lacking) and is slightly less user-friendly as the titles are in one box and the links appear as a bulk of text, not clearly separated. Third choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
My own feeling is that the original is the most attractive and user-friendly with the bold text easily showing where to look for subjects and a nice image. First choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If more links are added the long version would be best as it allows a lot of links without increasing the depth. First choice if more links added. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Vincent van Gogh | |
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General |
The Artist |
Chronology |
Medical condition |
Posthumous fame Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum | Theo van Gogh |
Paintings |
List of works |
The Starry Night |
Self-Portraits |
The Night Café Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows | The Church at Auvers |
Related | Post-Impressionism | Paul Gauguin | The Roulin Family |
This is the best idea I have to make it more compact, I don't think I can get the picture in without making the title bar way too big. I made this by studying other templates; I haven't seen one yet that will let me do that. But I would vote for this as my first choice. Dafoeberezin3494 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If you remove bar from Gauguin, "Post" pops up onto it. I think we will have to have a bar between each link for consistency. Also if more links get added or the image gets changed to a different width, the links will move around and it won't matter. Also is there any particular order for the paintings? Tyrenius 03:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
What setting is your computer on? Post doesn't go up to the next line on mine. If you need to do that on yours I can live with that. The paintings were ordered so they all fit on four lines. Dafoeberezin3494 03:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Just have a look on my user page, there are several more now, indeed. -- RPD 04:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I got confused by the template: I wanted to go from "Starry Night" to the main van Gogh article, but didn't understand that "The Artist" linked to "Vincent van Gogh." I wonder if anyone else ever has this problem, or if I'm the only doofus. Perhaps we could link the words "Vincent van Gogh in the top of the template as well. — Scouter Sig 16:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please list any new Van Gogh articles here. Once they're added to the template, please mark them as such. Tyrenius 05:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Groups or series by Vincent van Gogh: Flowering Orchards - Vincent van Gogh's Décoration for the Yellow House in Arles - The Wheat Field - Copies after Millet, and others - Vincent van Gogh's Double-squares and Squares from Auvers
Paintings by Vincent van Gogh: Portrait of Paul-Eugène Milliet - At Eternity's Gate - Daubigny's Garden - Les Arènes - The Town Hall at Auvers - View of Arles, Flowering Orchards - Ivy, two paintings by Vincent van Gogh
But I vaguely remember that there are more which already existed, and I have slightly expanded. I'll check it. -- RPD 05:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I hope to have completed my work - it's a rather long list, and I think it is the best to expand my previous list (including the items lacking). At the same time I would propose a separation in the template: between majour groups and series on one side - and single paintings (or pairs, completed by preliminary work and repetitions) on the other side.
I'm not very happy with the split of the portraits. Probably one entry summarising all of them would be sufficient (and allow to include other portrait studies). While others, like the Roulin Familly, definitely need to be discussed separately. But I think this is simply a matter of appropriate links. RPD 21:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Vincent van Gogh (1853-1890) |
based on the template Warsaw Uprising
A template like this could accompany all majour essays on Van Gogh at the top of the page (!!!). All contributions on Van Gogh could then supply a second template (without images, givings a full inventory of related articles)
I did not think of short, but of long articles, and their it could help the reader to select the information he requires: some lines on the main page, or an exhaustive statement on a subpage. The template at the end is, I feel, not really helpful with major (longer) articles.-- RPD 01:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Alright. I have a problem with this template's colours. First of all, I'm not going to hide the fact that I think they're hideous—they might have been Van Gogh's "favourite colours" (as I saw written somewhere) but I highly doubt that he preferred anything close to these particular shades, as they are frankly not that great.
Either way, it doesn't particularly matter what the shades are, as the colours are distracting, non-standard, and are arbitrarily decorative, which WP:NAV discourages against. While WP:NAV is technically an essay, and not a policy or official guideline, it makes a very valid point. I would just change it myself, but I've seen that previous attempts to change the colour have been reverted.
At any rate, these non-standard colours are simply a color of the bikeshed argument, and I think if we want to make the template look nice, a photo on the side would be just fine, and the template would be a lot easier to read.
Please comment. Mr. Absurd ( talk) 04:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Uh...his brother, his sister in law, his cousin and his great grand nephew are all relatives..and relevant... Modernist ( talk) 05:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, family is family... Modernist ( talk) 05:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I propose to add Wil van Gogh, Vincent's minor sister - one of the first Dutch feminists. Since a while, I collect notes relating to her in my sandbox. My first trial to establish an entry was removed, but if you think it's worthwhile, I'll reinsert and expand my remarks. -- rpd ( talk) 23:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the list of paintings be organized chronologically of alphabetically? – Editør ( talk) 19:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
The Vincent van Gogh portal was recently deleted. I've removed the red link from the template. BlackcurrantTea ( talk) 10:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Meadows near Rijswijk and the Schenkweg is a single watercolour painting and belongs in the Other Works section of the template and not in Groups of Works Hochithecreator ( talk) 00:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Plainly a watercolor painting is a painting (that is, the application of a medium to a matrix to create an image) just as much as an oil painting or tempera painting or ink wash painting or encaustic painting or fresco painting, or even a cave painting. Categorising an artist's works by medium is one possible choice, and for what it is worth, in this case I agree, it makes sense to separate the watercolours and drawings out into their own special boxes. Should we label the big one "Oil paintings" though, not just "Paintings"?
And while I am here, do we really need that prominent yellow bar at the bottom, with just " Book", or can we merge that in somewhere else? What is so special about " Book"? Theramin ( talk) 03:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
In accord with the consensus reached above, I have separated out watercolours and drawings into two different sections. Hochithecreator ( talk) 22:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)