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I've been asked a few times now, so I'm adressing this here (which I hope is the right place). My username is Danshive, and I am the real Dan Shive, and have been making edits and additions to this wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danshive ( talk • contribs)
Where it says anthro-cat and anthro-skunk, referring to elliot and nioi, the word anthro previously linked to the entry for 'Kemonomimi'. These forms are not Kemonomimi, as Kemonomimi characters only have a few body parts from the animal they're mixed with, whereas the half-cat and half-skunk forms are more of a merging between a human and a cat or a skunk.
Why change "External Link" to "External Links" when there's ONLY ONE OF THEM??????
“ El Goonish Shive does not have much of a status quo. Storylines are most often long and convoluted and rarely result in anything returning to the way it once was. The storytelling of The Matrix makes dodging bullets perfectly sensible; the storytelling of EGS does the same to the scream "I'M TOO YOUNG AND TOO MALE TO BE THE MOTHER OF A SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD FEMALE ME!!" ”
I have removed the words "anime style" from "anime-style martial arts". The martial arts are not derived from anime (Japanese animation), they exist in real life, and anime does not have its own special style of the martial arts. Starwind Amada 14 January 2006 17:58 (UTC)
My apologies for being the cause of the discussion above; I've a bad tendency to veer into incomprehensibly convoluted linguistical acrobatics. The article could benefit from the insertion of the scream to replace the second mention of shapeshifting squirrel-girl, but that's just my opinion, please ignore it. Anyway, the edit I've just made effectively reverts many of the rather drastic changes done by 66.226.112.59 under the explanation of 'fixing stupidity'. In my arrogant opinion, said changes ranged from unnecessary to counterproductive, and besides should certainly have been explained in more detail than just 'fixing stupidity' (66, it's considered polite to drop a note on the talk page if the article's any size). I'll explain my edit in more detail:
- This is just nitpicking, but giving Grace's name in the opening paragraph serves no purpose. - EGS' sight gags didn't last for much more than the first week. The increased focus on Grace is quite clearly only temporary - and besides ending as the current story arc closes. - I don't see how the changes in the next paragraph add to the article. Several things are left out outright. - The mention of the Keenspot forum is, well, dead wrong. The usage of the word 'bunnies' to describe fans predates it by a great deal. - And off comes the "Judging from the..." line of mine again. I've brought it back because no reason for its removal was provided - and besides, bunnies enthusiastically agree with it, and have on a few occasions edited it to make stronger statements about their weirdness. - Mentioning Nioi in Ellen's profile doesn't have much point, at least until we know enough about her to add her to the side characters list and/or what she did to Ellen is at all clear.
If there's disagreement about this, I'm of course completely willing to discuss where to go from here. -- Kizor 22:55, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Goo should be in the character list, IMO.
Even more, the Demonic Duck as a minor since it appears several times throughout the story, interacts with Justin
here and
here etc.
151.20.156.186
21:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
"Dan Shive" should go to its own page, instead of redirect to here. (Compare: A Modest Destiny and Sean Howard.) I am going to go ahead and make this change, if anyone has a good reason why not to do this, please post an explaination. -- Figs 21:12, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the difference is that Dan Shive is only known for his role in this comic, and barring anything informative to say about him, doesn't warrant his own page. Thus, a redirect to here (the only wikipedia discussion involving him) is appropriate. On the other hand, Sean Howard's page discusses stuff other than just his comics, and thus warrants its own page. - Matthew0028 11:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
If Dan Shive were to ever become more widely known he might deserve his own page, see Sluggy Freelance and Pete Abrams. although Pete's page is likely to remain a stub for a while, he is very well known as an indivual and just as Dan and EGS arm'e the same thing neither are Pete and Sluggy. If anything Pete is more Sluggy. He updates daily that is, all us bunnies know all to well that Dan has other things he does. That said I'm fine with this until we come up with something interesting to say about Dan. I am going to remove the link at the top of this page for now tho (and reminder anyone writing a Dan Shive Page in the future, add the link back) it being a link to a redirect to this page. Olleicua 23:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC))
I have my doubts about the efficacy of an "end spoiler" tag given one practically has to be reading the spoilers to spot it, but eh... That's more a Wikipedia problem. - Fuzzy 11:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
What exactly qualifies grace as a were-squirrel? According to the lycanthropy article, lycanthropy is the ability of a human to become an animal, however, grace is not human. She is a human/alien/squirrel hybrid who can shapeshift as a natural aspect of being part alien. Ziiv 01:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I think there are far too many characters listed here. This is an article about the comic, not a fansite. Besides the main ones, I think there should only be a few, such as Lord Tedd, Nioi, and the demonic duck. -- OGoncho 10:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
IIRC, Grace's full name is "Grace Sciuridae". I'm not aware of ever actually being explicitly stated, but it's the last name of both her mother and her grandfather. While she could adopt the Verres name Fdgfds 00:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, is there any evidence to back up the claim that Elliot is the most powerful fighter in the group? I can think of no comic which suggests that he is a better martial-artist than Nanase, and that's without taking magic into account. - Xiroth 03:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Would the Fairy Doll spell fall under this catagory? Fdgfds 00:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Maybe the doll made, but the whole thing is a spell.... Kalga-han
I think the information in the article
Dan Shive should go into a section of this article. There does not seem to be very much (i. e. enough for a separate article) to say about him (as opposed to EGS) at the moment (not very much
verifiable stuff, at least). Any opposition^W
opinions? —
xyzzy
n
00:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a link to some kind of evidence supporting the statement that Grace is Dan Shive's favourite character (currently at the bottom of the page)? Last I heard regarding the matter, he refused to pick any kind of favourite amoung his characters. - Xiroth 12:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, so now the article says just about everything that might possibly be contained in an earnest answer to ‘What is EGS?’. Here’s what I think it still lacks, though:
— xyzzy n 14:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Considering their current levels of energy, it may be worth mentioning the Keenspot forums of EGS. They're certainly not major enough for their own article, but the community about them seems a little too strong to ignore and still do the webcomic justice. It's worth considering the WC.net forums, but given that they unfortunately seem to have quietly died they're probably not worth mentioning. - Xiroth 12:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Justin's character description ends with "note that he's also a Timmy." The word "Timmy" is a link to the Wikipedia article for "Magic: The Gathering", but word-searching there for 'Timmy' yields nothing, so that isn't too helpful.
Is a "Timmy" any relation to a "Mary Sue"? In any case, why is it linked to "Magic: The Gathering"? I ask anyone who can answer at least the first question to edit the article.
Could the Edutopia mention here make a useful note in the page? -- OGoncho 03:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
In the last few days, I made some small changes, starting with correcting entries, then expanding the previously short head. Then I took a closer look at some other articles, and came to the conclusion that the most part of the current article is made up by information not important to those trying to get a proper overview on EGS, yet this information is probably answering recurring questions by casual readers who don't want to consult Dan Shive or the forum.
So I arrived at the idea of a radical split: the main article would consist of the head and the sections "Author", "Collected editions", "External links" and the current subsection "Main characters", the remaining information would go into another article called "Cast and world of El Goonish Shive". This would leave the main article much shorter, make it much easier to build up a proper references section, and then expand the main article with meaningful sections like "Recurring Themes" or "Reactions to EGS" (rather than to add these to an already long article).
The question is, how will Wikipedia react to it. If EGS is judged to be on the brink of deletion, then the split may lead to deletion of either the newly created "Cast and world" article or even both articles. Those prospects are quite discouraging to making this step towards improving the main article in terms of getting a better overview as well as well as in better compliance of Wikipedia standards.
So my question is, would such a split be dangerous? Ambi Valent 21:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
More references would be cool (assuming you can find some that meet WP:RS). My suggestion on the forum was to fork the cast and world details to a different wiki (Comixpedia or something custom). My concerns are that
The editors who compiled those lists have done a good job in terms of completeness, but this doesn’t seem to be a good place for that material. — xyzzy n 03:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, everyone. Ambi Valent 01:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I have continued with small changes in the article, and have now reached the next problem: reorganization of the Plot section. Currently it shows a few stories (out of many more existing), if they are deemed to contain important events, as important stories, and the events as sub-points. What I want is to reorganize all of the continuous plot into 4 completed story arcs and the currently running one. The problem is, officially only the single stories and the multi-part arcs exist - which might mean I'd be guilty of both original research and leaving the neutral point of view.
The reason I see major story arcs each containing a number of single stories and a final multi-part arc are as follows:
Would it be enough if I state that officially, the plot is only divided into stories and multi-part arcs, and document the elements connecting the single stories and the multi-part arc to a major story arc? Ambi Valent 01:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In the AfD discussion, it was noted that this article is in need of improvement. Could any experienced editors suggest ways in which this article could be improved? Suggestions on implementing the changes would also be useful - for example, for a primarily web-based subject such as El Goonish Shive, what type of sources could be referenced? - Xiroth 02:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
As the EGS Wikipedia article is about to survive a deletion attempt, I'm starting off this discussion to build a consensus on how to improve the article. I'm posting this both in the forum and the Wikipedia article discussion page, to get information both from author and fans (who might have material to provide, if they have the sources for it) and from Wikipedians (who can provide information what is possible under the Wikipedia rules).
NOTE: Wikipedia articles are not for readers, as they have the comic itself, but for the general public. People should be able to understand the article without having to read the comic. It should contain the necessary information, but no unnecessary details.
First we should try to build a consensus between information providers and Wikipedians on what needs to be done, section by section, then proceed to make the change.
Here are my thoughts, feel free to add your own:
HEAD: Probably needs to be partially trimmed and/or rewritten, but be careful in doing so. Needs references on what's already there. New information on notability can go here, with references.
AUTHOR: The part about the avatar can be trimmed, but without any information about the avatar people might think he uses Elliot (because of the names: Daniel Elliot Shive, Elliot Daniel Dunkel). Some of the new information might belong in this section.
WEBSITE CONTENT STRUCTURE: Correct information, but is it necessary? Keep, trim, merge or delete?
PLOT: Currently a list of stories with important events, and the events themselves. Should probably be a synopsis in plain text. How long or short should this synopsis be (some webcomics have quite long ones)? Should this be divided into sections, and should these sections be the content of the published books (or those to be published)?
RECURRING THEMES: Should be improved and referenced with great care, following Megatokyo's example (featured article). I think this section should be kept because it is hard to collect this information from other sections of the article. (Concluding themes from plot content or vice versa won't work well for EGS)
CAST: The by far longest section of the article. About 2/3 are information about the 8 main characters, about 2 paragraphs each, the remaining 1/3 is about a lot of secondary characters, sorted in groups, 1 or 2 lines for each character in most cases.
Keep and improve? Put characters in their own article, and keep only the most important information about the main characters in the main article (this was part of my previous proposal)? Or is trimming unavoidable? (I have looked into several other articles, many have long character sections as well)
TECHNOLOGY AND ARTIFACTS: Probably needs trimming, maybe radical trimming, maybe a section lock to prevent re-adding unnecessary material that was removed in consensus after this discussion. (Article is for the general public)
ALIENS: Improve, try to find a proper structure, maybe trim a little.
DIMENSIONS: Doesn't exist yet, but the concept of dimensions is important for the EGS plot. Should there be a section, or should material about dimensions put elsewhere?
COLLECTED EDITIONS: Is the 3rd book about to come out any time soon, or was there no decision yet when to publish it?
I'd like to get answers from fans and Wikipedians alike, so that there can be a true consensus, and a definite improvement in quality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ambi Valent ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
After a long series of edits from me and a few other editors since the AfD I now think it is time to re-rate the article. It surely is no good article yet, but IMHO it's more than halfway between Start and GA, and so belongs in B. I also think EGS being a leading Keenspot webcomic and being cited in Campbell's History of Webcomics is enough to give the article Low-importance instead of No-importance. Ambi Valent 01:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't really like this sentence: "The characters are complex, and believably presented, despite humorous overtones." I like EGS, but the believability of its characters is entirely a matter of opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.243.66 ( talk)
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I've been asked a few times now, so I'm adressing this here (which I hope is the right place). My username is Danshive, and I am the real Dan Shive, and have been making edits and additions to this wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danshive ( talk • contribs)
Where it says anthro-cat and anthro-skunk, referring to elliot and nioi, the word anthro previously linked to the entry for 'Kemonomimi'. These forms are not Kemonomimi, as Kemonomimi characters only have a few body parts from the animal they're mixed with, whereas the half-cat and half-skunk forms are more of a merging between a human and a cat or a skunk.
Why change "External Link" to "External Links" when there's ONLY ONE OF THEM??????
“ El Goonish Shive does not have much of a status quo. Storylines are most often long and convoluted and rarely result in anything returning to the way it once was. The storytelling of The Matrix makes dodging bullets perfectly sensible; the storytelling of EGS does the same to the scream "I'M TOO YOUNG AND TOO MALE TO BE THE MOTHER OF A SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD FEMALE ME!!" ”
I have removed the words "anime style" from "anime-style martial arts". The martial arts are not derived from anime (Japanese animation), they exist in real life, and anime does not have its own special style of the martial arts. Starwind Amada 14 January 2006 17:58 (UTC)
My apologies for being the cause of the discussion above; I've a bad tendency to veer into incomprehensibly convoluted linguistical acrobatics. The article could benefit from the insertion of the scream to replace the second mention of shapeshifting squirrel-girl, but that's just my opinion, please ignore it. Anyway, the edit I've just made effectively reverts many of the rather drastic changes done by 66.226.112.59 under the explanation of 'fixing stupidity'. In my arrogant opinion, said changes ranged from unnecessary to counterproductive, and besides should certainly have been explained in more detail than just 'fixing stupidity' (66, it's considered polite to drop a note on the talk page if the article's any size). I'll explain my edit in more detail:
- This is just nitpicking, but giving Grace's name in the opening paragraph serves no purpose. - EGS' sight gags didn't last for much more than the first week. The increased focus on Grace is quite clearly only temporary - and besides ending as the current story arc closes. - I don't see how the changes in the next paragraph add to the article. Several things are left out outright. - The mention of the Keenspot forum is, well, dead wrong. The usage of the word 'bunnies' to describe fans predates it by a great deal. - And off comes the "Judging from the..." line of mine again. I've brought it back because no reason for its removal was provided - and besides, bunnies enthusiastically agree with it, and have on a few occasions edited it to make stronger statements about their weirdness. - Mentioning Nioi in Ellen's profile doesn't have much point, at least until we know enough about her to add her to the side characters list and/or what she did to Ellen is at all clear.
If there's disagreement about this, I'm of course completely willing to discuss where to go from here. -- Kizor 22:55, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Goo should be in the character list, IMO.
Even more, the Demonic Duck as a minor since it appears several times throughout the story, interacts with Justin
here and
here etc.
151.20.156.186
21:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
"Dan Shive" should go to its own page, instead of redirect to here. (Compare: A Modest Destiny and Sean Howard.) I am going to go ahead and make this change, if anyone has a good reason why not to do this, please post an explaination. -- Figs 21:12, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the difference is that Dan Shive is only known for his role in this comic, and barring anything informative to say about him, doesn't warrant his own page. Thus, a redirect to here (the only wikipedia discussion involving him) is appropriate. On the other hand, Sean Howard's page discusses stuff other than just his comics, and thus warrants its own page. - Matthew0028 11:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
If Dan Shive were to ever become more widely known he might deserve his own page, see Sluggy Freelance and Pete Abrams. although Pete's page is likely to remain a stub for a while, he is very well known as an indivual and just as Dan and EGS arm'e the same thing neither are Pete and Sluggy. If anything Pete is more Sluggy. He updates daily that is, all us bunnies know all to well that Dan has other things he does. That said I'm fine with this until we come up with something interesting to say about Dan. I am going to remove the link at the top of this page for now tho (and reminder anyone writing a Dan Shive Page in the future, add the link back) it being a link to a redirect to this page. Olleicua 23:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC))
I have my doubts about the efficacy of an "end spoiler" tag given one practically has to be reading the spoilers to spot it, but eh... That's more a Wikipedia problem. - Fuzzy 11:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
What exactly qualifies grace as a were-squirrel? According to the lycanthropy article, lycanthropy is the ability of a human to become an animal, however, grace is not human. She is a human/alien/squirrel hybrid who can shapeshift as a natural aspect of being part alien. Ziiv 01:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I think there are far too many characters listed here. This is an article about the comic, not a fansite. Besides the main ones, I think there should only be a few, such as Lord Tedd, Nioi, and the demonic duck. -- OGoncho 10:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
IIRC, Grace's full name is "Grace Sciuridae". I'm not aware of ever actually being explicitly stated, but it's the last name of both her mother and her grandfather. While she could adopt the Verres name Fdgfds 00:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, is there any evidence to back up the claim that Elliot is the most powerful fighter in the group? I can think of no comic which suggests that he is a better martial-artist than Nanase, and that's without taking magic into account. - Xiroth 03:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Would the Fairy Doll spell fall under this catagory? Fdgfds 00:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Maybe the doll made, but the whole thing is a spell.... Kalga-han
I think the information in the article
Dan Shive should go into a section of this article. There does not seem to be very much (i. e. enough for a separate article) to say about him (as opposed to EGS) at the moment (not very much
verifiable stuff, at least). Any opposition^W
opinions? —
xyzzy
n
00:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a link to some kind of evidence supporting the statement that Grace is Dan Shive's favourite character (currently at the bottom of the page)? Last I heard regarding the matter, he refused to pick any kind of favourite amoung his characters. - Xiroth 12:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, so now the article says just about everything that might possibly be contained in an earnest answer to ‘What is EGS?’. Here’s what I think it still lacks, though:
— xyzzy n 14:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Considering their current levels of energy, it may be worth mentioning the Keenspot forums of EGS. They're certainly not major enough for their own article, but the community about them seems a little too strong to ignore and still do the webcomic justice. It's worth considering the WC.net forums, but given that they unfortunately seem to have quietly died they're probably not worth mentioning. - Xiroth 12:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Justin's character description ends with "note that he's also a Timmy." The word "Timmy" is a link to the Wikipedia article for "Magic: The Gathering", but word-searching there for 'Timmy' yields nothing, so that isn't too helpful.
Is a "Timmy" any relation to a "Mary Sue"? In any case, why is it linked to "Magic: The Gathering"? I ask anyone who can answer at least the first question to edit the article.
Could the Edutopia mention here make a useful note in the page? -- OGoncho 03:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
In the last few days, I made some small changes, starting with correcting entries, then expanding the previously short head. Then I took a closer look at some other articles, and came to the conclusion that the most part of the current article is made up by information not important to those trying to get a proper overview on EGS, yet this information is probably answering recurring questions by casual readers who don't want to consult Dan Shive or the forum.
So I arrived at the idea of a radical split: the main article would consist of the head and the sections "Author", "Collected editions", "External links" and the current subsection "Main characters", the remaining information would go into another article called "Cast and world of El Goonish Shive". This would leave the main article much shorter, make it much easier to build up a proper references section, and then expand the main article with meaningful sections like "Recurring Themes" or "Reactions to EGS" (rather than to add these to an already long article).
The question is, how will Wikipedia react to it. If EGS is judged to be on the brink of deletion, then the split may lead to deletion of either the newly created "Cast and world" article or even both articles. Those prospects are quite discouraging to making this step towards improving the main article in terms of getting a better overview as well as well as in better compliance of Wikipedia standards.
So my question is, would such a split be dangerous? Ambi Valent 21:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
More references would be cool (assuming you can find some that meet WP:RS). My suggestion on the forum was to fork the cast and world details to a different wiki (Comixpedia or something custom). My concerns are that
The editors who compiled those lists have done a good job in terms of completeness, but this doesn’t seem to be a good place for that material. — xyzzy n 03:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, everyone. Ambi Valent 01:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I have continued with small changes in the article, and have now reached the next problem: reorganization of the Plot section. Currently it shows a few stories (out of many more existing), if they are deemed to contain important events, as important stories, and the events as sub-points. What I want is to reorganize all of the continuous plot into 4 completed story arcs and the currently running one. The problem is, officially only the single stories and the multi-part arcs exist - which might mean I'd be guilty of both original research and leaving the neutral point of view.
The reason I see major story arcs each containing a number of single stories and a final multi-part arc are as follows:
Would it be enough if I state that officially, the plot is only divided into stories and multi-part arcs, and document the elements connecting the single stories and the multi-part arc to a major story arc? Ambi Valent 01:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In the AfD discussion, it was noted that this article is in need of improvement. Could any experienced editors suggest ways in which this article could be improved? Suggestions on implementing the changes would also be useful - for example, for a primarily web-based subject such as El Goonish Shive, what type of sources could be referenced? - Xiroth 02:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
As the EGS Wikipedia article is about to survive a deletion attempt, I'm starting off this discussion to build a consensus on how to improve the article. I'm posting this both in the forum and the Wikipedia article discussion page, to get information both from author and fans (who might have material to provide, if they have the sources for it) and from Wikipedians (who can provide information what is possible under the Wikipedia rules).
NOTE: Wikipedia articles are not for readers, as they have the comic itself, but for the general public. People should be able to understand the article without having to read the comic. It should contain the necessary information, but no unnecessary details.
First we should try to build a consensus between information providers and Wikipedians on what needs to be done, section by section, then proceed to make the change.
Here are my thoughts, feel free to add your own:
HEAD: Probably needs to be partially trimmed and/or rewritten, but be careful in doing so. Needs references on what's already there. New information on notability can go here, with references.
AUTHOR: The part about the avatar can be trimmed, but without any information about the avatar people might think he uses Elliot (because of the names: Daniel Elliot Shive, Elliot Daniel Dunkel). Some of the new information might belong in this section.
WEBSITE CONTENT STRUCTURE: Correct information, but is it necessary? Keep, trim, merge or delete?
PLOT: Currently a list of stories with important events, and the events themselves. Should probably be a synopsis in plain text. How long or short should this synopsis be (some webcomics have quite long ones)? Should this be divided into sections, and should these sections be the content of the published books (or those to be published)?
RECURRING THEMES: Should be improved and referenced with great care, following Megatokyo's example (featured article). I think this section should be kept because it is hard to collect this information from other sections of the article. (Concluding themes from plot content or vice versa won't work well for EGS)
CAST: The by far longest section of the article. About 2/3 are information about the 8 main characters, about 2 paragraphs each, the remaining 1/3 is about a lot of secondary characters, sorted in groups, 1 or 2 lines for each character in most cases.
Keep and improve? Put characters in their own article, and keep only the most important information about the main characters in the main article (this was part of my previous proposal)? Or is trimming unavoidable? (I have looked into several other articles, many have long character sections as well)
TECHNOLOGY AND ARTIFACTS: Probably needs trimming, maybe radical trimming, maybe a section lock to prevent re-adding unnecessary material that was removed in consensus after this discussion. (Article is for the general public)
ALIENS: Improve, try to find a proper structure, maybe trim a little.
DIMENSIONS: Doesn't exist yet, but the concept of dimensions is important for the EGS plot. Should there be a section, or should material about dimensions put elsewhere?
COLLECTED EDITIONS: Is the 3rd book about to come out any time soon, or was there no decision yet when to publish it?
I'd like to get answers from fans and Wikipedians alike, so that there can be a true consensus, and a definite improvement in quality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ambi Valent ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
After a long series of edits from me and a few other editors since the AfD I now think it is time to re-rate the article. It surely is no good article yet, but IMHO it's more than halfway between Start and GA, and so belongs in B. I also think EGS being a leading Keenspot webcomic and being cited in Campbell's History of Webcomics is enough to give the article Low-importance instead of No-importance. Ambi Valent 01:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't really like this sentence: "The characters are complex, and believably presented, despite humorous overtones." I like EGS, but the believability of its characters is entirely a matter of opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.243.66 ( talk)