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You have now twice changed the spelling of "Lieber" to "Leiber" in the article for the album The Ill-Conceived P. D. Q. Bach Anthology. After your first change, I changed it back with the edit summary "restore PDQ's spelling for Leiber & Stoller: Lieber & Stoller", referring to this source. If you have a more authoritative source for your spelling of the the track on that album, please insert it into the article. If not, I suggest you revert your most recent edit. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 10:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Postscript: I received a very nice email from the "webmeister" at schickele.com that reads in part:
I hope this puts to rest any notion of comedic intent on Professor Schickele's part in the misspelling of Jerry Leiber's name; of the "authoritative" value of spelling errors in citation sources in general; and of wisdom in implementing editorial policy on the basis of what you "suspect." Pstoller ( talk) 04:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, if you look at the history of the article you'll see that I restored my text in a hurry, not realising that you had already added references. I've undone it again. Unfortunately the notifications facility told me only that you had undone my edit, not that you had made other edits to the article (perhaps it would have been a good idea to do both at the same time). Incidentally, I assume you are familiar with wikipedia guidelines on conflict of interest. Deb ( talk) 09:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi. If it's no bother, would you like to vote or comment at my FAC for Confusion (album)? It's a relatively short article. Dan56 ( talk) 22:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your recent remarks at the Elvis talk page. To clarify, I think that you should be a little more careful about throwing around comments to the affect of: "he made an obvious mistake and is therefore completely unreliable in terms of all content regarding Elvis". For example, in the Beatles Anthology, both Paul and George state that they got the name "the Beatles" from the movie, The Wild One, which they could not have seen at that point, the film having been banned in the UK at the time. Also, Harrison claimed he didn't remember the second Shea Stadium performance, so even those who were there sometimes mix-up facts, right? FWIW, I'll be sure to double-check my sources should I decide to alter any content there, but please don't jump right to "complete disgrace alert" after an error or two. I'll bet there are at least 3-5 errors in Peter Guralnick's books on "the King"; I havn't found any Beatles sources that are completely free of error. Also, if I made any errors they were at the article's talk page and not in the article's main space, right? GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 23:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't take your meaning for your edit summary ("Vandalism") for this edit. Calling the King Sisters a girl group ("A girl group is a popular music act featuring several young female singers who generally harmonise together") may or may not be correct, but it's not vandalism. We want to be conservative in using that term, please. Herostratus ( talk) 05:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your comments / question. When making my previous edit on the article, my first thought was that the editorializing about performances needed to be removed. Secondly, I also felt that the huge unsourced list of cover versions needed to be trimmed down. As it was largely unsourced, it was simply too big to justify.
The mistake I made in the earlier edit however, was not stating: "Other versions of "I (Who Have Nothing)" include recordings by......." I have rectified that now with a subsequent edit where I have said other versions "include recordings by......." to make clear that this is not an exhaustive list of every single recording and that the list only includes a selection of other versions.
The album track by Greek singer Marinella is not in my opinion particularly notable. However, because a citation had been given for it I did not remove it.
I removed versions by Hodges, James & Smith, Linda Jones, Little Milton, Midnight Blue, as none of these artists were linkified in the article.
The version by the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain is also not notable in my opinion. I accept that Gladys Knight is a well known famous artist, and I could have kept her version on the article. Perhaps, with hindsight I could have done. But ultimately, as I said, I felt that the list of unsourced versions needed to be significantly trimmed down. It was simply too large an unsourced list to justify.
By putting in the template "This section needs additional citations for verification" (December 2013) my intention was to look at the article again in about six months time, in the summer of 2014, to give a chance for citations to be provided. And if in five or six months time, no citations have been given, to remove further unsourced content from the article.
My own opinion is that the same proper standards of referencing on song articles should apply to all other articles, for example articles about countries, towns and cities. As far as possible, all content should be properly sourced so that everybody can have confidence in the Wikipedia project.
There are many different "fan site" internet pages where if people just want unsourced long random lists of different cover versions, they can go there. But ultimately this is an encyclopaedia, and the information has to be properly sourced so that people can have confidence that the information is correct, because they can check the source to verify it.
My intention in the earlier edit was not to suggest that Gladys Knight is not a notable artist, or that the information about her cover version is false. But I simply felt there was far too much unsourced content in the article which needed to be trimmed down.
I hope this explains some of my thinking on this. If I see further long unsourced lists of cover versions on different song articles, I may also put up a template requesting further citations and remove unsourced content after a further period of several months. Regards, Kind Tennis Fan ( talk) 02:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm currently researching the popularity of various musics in 1954/1955, including Johnny Otis, and noted your deletion of materials in the Big Mama article. Here is something from Christian Science Monitor regarding "self identifying" that finally tipped me to discuss this with you. "It's like the cover phenomenon around the birth of rock 'n' roll — literally, a white artist could steal a song, cover it, and make money that the black artist who created the song or recorded the song initially did not get... because that's literal theft, that's literally taking money out of someone else's pocket.” This is, as you know, a widespread belief, which may in cases be true. I wonder if this couldn't be better addressed with accurate information about copyright law, who is entitled to royalties etc, rather than just deleting statements such as those made by Thornton. You may be aware of references that I would have to search for. And, you may not think this is a good idea. Any thoughts? Steve Pastor ( talk) 22:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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Welcome!
Hello, Pstoller, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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Hyacinth (
talk)
07:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
You have now twice changed the spelling of "Lieber" to "Leiber" in the article for the album The Ill-Conceived P. D. Q. Bach Anthology. After your first change, I changed it back with the edit summary "restore PDQ's spelling for Leiber & Stoller: Lieber & Stoller", referring to this source. If you have a more authoritative source for your spelling of the the track on that album, please insert it into the article. If not, I suggest you revert your most recent edit. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 10:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Postscript: I received a very nice email from the "webmeister" at schickele.com that reads in part:
I hope this puts to rest any notion of comedic intent on Professor Schickele's part in the misspelling of Jerry Leiber's name; of the "authoritative" value of spelling errors in citation sources in general; and of wisdom in implementing editorial policy on the basis of what you "suspect." Pstoller ( talk) 04:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, if you look at the history of the article you'll see that I restored my text in a hurry, not realising that you had already added references. I've undone it again. Unfortunately the notifications facility told me only that you had undone my edit, not that you had made other edits to the article (perhaps it would have been a good idea to do both at the same time). Incidentally, I assume you are familiar with wikipedia guidelines on conflict of interest. Deb ( talk) 09:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi. If it's no bother, would you like to vote or comment at my FAC for Confusion (album)? It's a relatively short article. Dan56 ( talk) 22:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your recent remarks at the Elvis talk page. To clarify, I think that you should be a little more careful about throwing around comments to the affect of: "he made an obvious mistake and is therefore completely unreliable in terms of all content regarding Elvis". For example, in the Beatles Anthology, both Paul and George state that they got the name "the Beatles" from the movie, The Wild One, which they could not have seen at that point, the film having been banned in the UK at the time. Also, Harrison claimed he didn't remember the second Shea Stadium performance, so even those who were there sometimes mix-up facts, right? FWIW, I'll be sure to double-check my sources should I decide to alter any content there, but please don't jump right to "complete disgrace alert" after an error or two. I'll bet there are at least 3-5 errors in Peter Guralnick's books on "the King"; I havn't found any Beatles sources that are completely free of error. Also, if I made any errors they were at the article's talk page and not in the article's main space, right? GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 23:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't take your meaning for your edit summary ("Vandalism") for this edit. Calling the King Sisters a girl group ("A girl group is a popular music act featuring several young female singers who generally harmonise together") may or may not be correct, but it's not vandalism. We want to be conservative in using that term, please. Herostratus ( talk) 05:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your comments / question. When making my previous edit on the article, my first thought was that the editorializing about performances needed to be removed. Secondly, I also felt that the huge unsourced list of cover versions needed to be trimmed down. As it was largely unsourced, it was simply too big to justify.
The mistake I made in the earlier edit however, was not stating: "Other versions of "I (Who Have Nothing)" include recordings by......." I have rectified that now with a subsequent edit where I have said other versions "include recordings by......." to make clear that this is not an exhaustive list of every single recording and that the list only includes a selection of other versions.
The album track by Greek singer Marinella is not in my opinion particularly notable. However, because a citation had been given for it I did not remove it.
I removed versions by Hodges, James & Smith, Linda Jones, Little Milton, Midnight Blue, as none of these artists were linkified in the article.
The version by the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain is also not notable in my opinion. I accept that Gladys Knight is a well known famous artist, and I could have kept her version on the article. Perhaps, with hindsight I could have done. But ultimately, as I said, I felt that the list of unsourced versions needed to be significantly trimmed down. It was simply too large an unsourced list to justify.
By putting in the template "This section needs additional citations for verification" (December 2013) my intention was to look at the article again in about six months time, in the summer of 2014, to give a chance for citations to be provided. And if in five or six months time, no citations have been given, to remove further unsourced content from the article.
My own opinion is that the same proper standards of referencing on song articles should apply to all other articles, for example articles about countries, towns and cities. As far as possible, all content should be properly sourced so that everybody can have confidence in the Wikipedia project.
There are many different "fan site" internet pages where if people just want unsourced long random lists of different cover versions, they can go there. But ultimately this is an encyclopaedia, and the information has to be properly sourced so that people can have confidence that the information is correct, because they can check the source to verify it.
My intention in the earlier edit was not to suggest that Gladys Knight is not a notable artist, or that the information about her cover version is false. But I simply felt there was far too much unsourced content in the article which needed to be trimmed down.
I hope this explains some of my thinking on this. If I see further long unsourced lists of cover versions on different song articles, I may also put up a template requesting further citations and remove unsourced content after a further period of several months. Regards, Kind Tennis Fan ( talk) 02:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm currently researching the popularity of various musics in 1954/1955, including Johnny Otis, and noted your deletion of materials in the Big Mama article. Here is something from Christian Science Monitor regarding "self identifying" that finally tipped me to discuss this with you. "It's like the cover phenomenon around the birth of rock 'n' roll — literally, a white artist could steal a song, cover it, and make money that the black artist who created the song or recorded the song initially did not get... because that's literal theft, that's literally taking money out of someone else's pocket.” This is, as you know, a widespread belief, which may in cases be true. I wonder if this couldn't be better addressed with accurate information about copyright law, who is entitled to royalties etc, rather than just deleting statements such as those made by Thornton. You may be aware of references that I would have to search for. And, you may not think this is a good idea. Any thoughts? Steve Pastor ( talk) 22:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Pstoller. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)