France also participated in the Bombardment of Kagoshima, aimed at quelling discontent against foreigner and the killing of several foreign residents in Japan.
The Japanese Bakufu government, challenged at home by factions which desired the expulsion of foreign powers and the restoration of Imperial rule, also wished to develop military skills as soon as possible. Negociations with Napoleon III started through Shibata Takenaka as soon as 1865. In 1867, the first French Military Mission to Japan arrived in Yokohama, among them Captain Jules Brunet. The military mission would engage into a training program to modernize the armies of the Shogunate, until the Boshin war broke out a year later leading to a full-scale civil war between the Shogunate and the pro-Imperial forces. There is a well-known photograph of the Shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu in French uniform, taken during that period. [1]
Foreign powers agreed to take a neutral stance in the conflict, but a large portion of the French mission resigned and joined the forces they had trained in their conflict against Imperial forces. French forces would become a target of Imperial forces, leading to the Kobe incident on January 11th, 1868, in which a fight erupts in Akashi between 450 samurai of the Okayama fief and French sailors, leading to the occupation of central Kobe by foreign troops. Also in 1868 eleven French sailors from the Dupleix were killed in the Sakai incident, in Sakai, near Osaka, by southern rebel forces. [2]
Jules Brunet would become a leader of the military effort of the Shogunate, reorganizing its defensive efforts and accompanying it to Hokkaido until the ultimate defeat. After the fall of Edo, Jules Brunet fled north with Enomoto Takeaki, the leader of the Japanese Shogunate's navy, and helped set up the Ezo Republic, with Enomoto Takeaki, as the President. He also helped organize the defense of Hokkaidō in the Battle of Hakodate. Troops were structured under a hybrid Franco-Japanese leadership, with Otori Keisuke as Commander-in-chief, and Jules Brunet as second in command. [3] Each of the four brigades were commanded by a French officer ( Fortant, Marlin, Cazeneuve, Bouffier), with eight Japanese commanders as second in command of each half-brigade. [4]
Despite its support of the losing side of the conflict during the Boshin war, France continued to play a key role in introducing modern technologies in Japan, whether in the economic or military fields.
In 1870, Henri Pelegrin was invited to direct the construction of Japan's first gas-lightning system in the streets of Nihonbashi, Ginza and Yokohama. In 1872, Paul Brunat opened the first modern Japanese silk spinning factory at Tomioka. Three craftsmen from the Nishijin weaving district in Kyoto, Sakura tsuneshichi, Inoue Ihee and Yoshida Chushichi travel to Lyon. They travel back to Japan in 1873, importing a Jacquard loom. Tomioka became Japan's first large-scale silk-reeling factory, and an example for the industrialization of the country.
France was also highly regarded for the quality of its Legal system, and was used as an example to establish the country's legal code. The legal expert Gustave Emile Boissonade was sent to Japan in 1873 to help build a modern legal system.
Everytime France was deemed to have a specific expertise, its technologies were introduced. In 1882, the first tramways were introduced from France and started to function at Asakusa, and between Shinbashi and Ueno. In 1898, the first automobile is introduced in Japan, a French Panhard-Levassor.
Despite the French defeat during the Franco-Prussian war, France was still considered as an example in the military field as well, and was used as a model for the development of the Imperial Japanese Army. [5] As soon as 1872, a second French Military Mission to Japan (1872-1880) was invited, with the objective of organizing the army and establishing a military educational system. The mission established the Ichigaya Military Academy (市ヶ谷陸軍士官校), built in 1874, on the ground of today's Ministry of Defense. [6]
A third French Military Mission to Japan (1884-1889) composed of five men started in 1884, [7] but this time the Japanese also involved some German officers for military advice from 1886 to 1889 (the Meckel Mission).
The French Navy leading engineer Emile Bertin was invited to Japan for three years to reinforce the Imperial Japanese Navy, and direct the construction of the arsenals of Kure and Sasebo. For the first time, with French assistance, the Japanese were able to build a full fleet, some of it built in Japan, some of it in France and a few other European nations. These efforts contributed to the Japanese victory in the First Sino-Japanese war. [8]
This period also allowed Japan "to embrace the revolutionary new technologies embodied in torpedoes, torpedo-boats and mines, of which the French at the time were probably the world's best exponents". [9]
Hey, PHG. I have placed another response on Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance that you should see. Also, I think you should cease editing the article (like everybody) until we get discussion going on the talk page. This article is wrapped up in too many disputes to be helped by any editing whatsoever. Everything hinges on dispute resolution, so all editing ought to just be halted until that occurs. I am trying to work out an acceptable process that all involved/interested parties will accept. Your help would be appreciated and remember: consensus will be necessary to get that annoying accuracy tag removed and to stop a recurring edit war. Srnec ( talk) 05:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the recent discussion on the talk page seems to be upsetting to you. I understand how difficult it is to see others condense a great deal of what you've written; I know I've had a few gut wrenching moments when I've looked back at articles where I contributed the majority of the original text. After careful consideration though, I've realized that other editors aren't trying to destroy what I've created, they're trying to improve it. Sometimes, I've needed to go back and engage the editors about some errors in the changes they made or discuss further improvements to the article, but I've done that by talking things out with them, not reverting their edits.
What can we do to help you feel comfortable discussing the article and changes with other editors? The past few days of edits by both sides of the dispute just haven't been productive as they could have been and I hate to see everyone spinning their wheels waiting for this to play out. Shell babelfish 23:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I am sorry that it has had to come to this given your history of quality contributions, but it appears that you did not heed my earlier warning about your conduct at Franco-Mongol alliance. The issue was called to my attention again yesterday by two separate editors, and after having reviewed the article and talk page history, as well as the AFDs of the POV forks you created, it is apparent that you do not wish to work with other editors to improve the article. Your recent actions there have been deceptive, biased, antagonistic, generally disruptive, and show that you are increasingly trying to express ownership of and manipulate the content. It is for those reasons I have decided that a 24 hour block is in order. If you, or a reviewing administrator wishes to know exact instances of these charges, please post here as I will have your talk page on my watchlist. Ioeth ( talk contribs friendly) 14:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent) I agree that there is a possible failure to strive for consensus. An RfC on this issue would be most productive to the project. If PHG does not want to create one, than other involved editors should. The situation should be presented *neutrally* and not with bias toward any editor. Wjhonson ( talk) 21:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent) I do not feel that the above summary is an entirely accurate view on the situation. Regardless, there appears to be a breakdown on any attempt to reach consensus, to such an extent as to involve peripheral editors in the spillover. In that situation, an RfC is what is called for to elicit wider community involvement. Warnings, blocks and other forms of focus on one editor with a productive history, make the situation look, to outsiders, as a concerted attack to silence an opponent. Surely you would have no issue with a wider community RfC where all side could present the situation in a fair and non-threatening venue. Wjhonson ( talk) 02:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I have filed a request for arbitration where you are named as a party. Please feel free to make a statement. Jehochman Talk 15:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Please rephrase or withdraw the word "perjury"; it is not an acceptable term here, on several fronts. Thx. El_C 18:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 05:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
PHG, in your talk page this user has made wild accusations on me. I will request you please read the relevant sections on Talk:Poverty in India to give you an inside in this user and to understand who is incivil. You please read the texts like these [10], [11], [12]. The Bodggaya beggar image is more appropriate than others because:
There is no "typical" definition of poverty, or beggar. There are abled beggar, disabled beggar. The purpose of the article is depicting poverty. The other beggar images which this user want to place deleting the Bodhgaya beggar image are not good quality, one is B&W, and the other depicting a beggar girl in Ladakh. But my objection here is that Ladakh is quite different from rest of the country because of its geographics. Majority Indians live in plain. And this Bodhgaya beggar image is showing poverty at its most extreme level. It is not right to conceal the situation of poor men like this, it is the truth, the reality. This image touches the heart of the reader, which is a real situation. Yes not all beggars are disabled, but is this an argument? On the other hand it also can be said that not all beggars are abled. Our job here is not to understand who is abled, or who is not. But to find a good image which is representative of many.
Hi, after reviewing about three dozen of your pencil sketches I've found a serious problem that appears to apply to just about the whole collection. Fortunately it's a solveable problem. Multiple levels of copyright are involved so I'll address this with bullet points.
Out of 30+ sketches of yours reviewed so far, every one I've been able to verify fully is a derivative work of a copyrighted photograph. Nearly all of the rest are sourced to photographs in copyrighted books. A couple of instances are indeterminate, such as this author where your description is incomplete and it isn't possible to tell which of two similarly titled books by the same author served as the basis for your sketch: the public domain 1921 work or the copyrighted 1951 book.
So unless I'm very mistaken, these sketches of yours should all (or nearly all) be transferred from Commons to Wikipedia where fair use material may be hosted, and have the license tags changed to copyright/fair use. Things are tense onsite right now so I'm coming directly to you; this looks pretty straightforward to regularize. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 21:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Seriously my friend. You're going for the world's record on number of sections! Have a great day! Wjhonson ( talk) 23:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I already had some info prepared in my user sandbox and when I saw you at work I decided I'd finally add it. I'll try not to read on your toes though and I'll let you do your stuff first. Then I'll see if I can add anything else from Hovannisian. Cheers. -- Folantin ( talk) 17:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I am concerned with your recent creation of the article Viam agnoscere veritatis, as you appear to be using it once again as a Coatrack to push this POV about a Franco-Mongol alliance. The sources that you have listed on the article do not make any mention of Viam agnoscere veritatis, and the description that you posted of the document does not have any resemblance to what is actually in the Latin!
As I am sure you know, many editors have expressed strong concerns about your editing in the topic area of the Mongols, and the relations between the Mongols and Europe:
But even despite all the concerns that have been expressed, you are still continuing to add more controversial and biased information to Wikipedia.
PHG, I didn't want to take this step, but I feel it necessary to ask you to stop editing in the topic area of the Mongols. You have engaged in many valuable endeavors on Wikipedia in the past, and I do not want to see you completely leave Wikipedia, but I think it is best if you just stop editinnything related to Western-Mongol relations for awhile. Will you please voluntarily abide by my request? If not, I am afraid that there may be further consequences, such as further sanctions on your behavior and editing privileges. Please, stop this before it gets to that point. -- El on ka 01:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG, it is very clear by the talkpage discussion that there is absolutely no consensus to revert back to your longer version with serious source and POV problems. Please revert yourself instead of continuing to disrupt the article. Shell babelfish 14:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG: There are two serious problems with the abbreviated Latin letter you have posted at Viam agnoscere veritatis. I have transcribed the full text of the letter on the talk page. How do you account for the discrepancy of date between the citation of the letter and the text of the article? How do you account for the fact that this letter mentions neither persecution nor an alliance? It should be clear even to those with no Latin that this letter was carried by a certain Laurentius of Portugal. This Laurentius departed Rome in 1245 about the same time as Ascelin of Lombardia and Simon of St Quentin left for the East by another route. Aramgar ( talk) 23:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
(outdent)Hi Wjhonson, I stand by my comments regarding the difficulty of working with PHG. To respond to your remarks above, can I ask that we set aside whatever tension there may be between you and Elonka? I don’t have any comments to offer regarding ”stalking” or “stirring the pot;” I just wanted to point out that Elonka is not the only editor to have had trouble working with PHG. :) Are you really claiming that every single editor who has voiced concern with PHG’s tactics has “resort[ed] to attacks and abuse and insults?” My observation of his interactions with others and my own personal experience has shown me that his offers of compromise and collaboration seldom bear fruit. This conversation, for example, started with a good faith question by Aramgar regarding factual inaccuracies in the Viam agnoscere veritatis article. All other comments by Elonka, Shell, you and me aside, I think it’s telling that Aramgar never received an answer. Kafka Liz ( talk) 21:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
For anyone reviewing this page, who for some reason has neither the time nor inclination to actually review the related talkpages for themselves, here are relevant diffs which indicate some of the problems with PHG's behavior over the last few months. For a few paragraphs that summarize the content dispute, see User:Elonka/Mongol quickref. For the user conduct issues, see below:
We now have dozens of articles which need complex cleanup, and PHG is continuing to cause more problems on a near daily basis. Most recently, see Talk:Viam agnoscere veritatis, where he is being criticized for original research and misinterpretation of sources. An attempt was made to cleanup the article, but PHG simply added the information right back in.
All other appropriate dispute resolution techniques have been tried, without success. PHG refuses to even acknowledge that his behavior has been a problem, and he simply continues to argue and edit-war.
The thing that is of most concern about all this, is the longterm damage that PHG is causing to Wikipedia. The really dangerous part to Wikipedia, is not just that PHG is defying other editors, but that he seems to have a talent for inserting biased and false information into Wikipedia, and making it look well-sourced. With all of these problems that we have discovered just in his work about the Mongols, I think it is very likely that similar problems will be found in other of PHG's efforts as well, but it is going to require someone actually digging in and looking at the sources to find the truth and identify the areas that need cleanup. For example, it was recently discovered that he has been uploading dozens of images which are copyright violations. Again, this is going to require hours of cleanup time.
In summary: PHG is one of the more dangerous types of editors that we can have on Wikipedia. He inserts false information into the project, in ways that make the information difficult to identify, and difficult to remove. He refuses to work towards consensus. He ignores all good-faith warnings. He wastes the time of many other good editors, who could be spending time on far more productive pursuits than having to clean up after him. I do appreciate that PHG has done some good work on Wikipedia, but I do not think that this balances out all the damage that he is causing at the same time. It is my opinion that unless he agrees to change his behavior, that he should be removed from the project. -- El on ka 07:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the next issue which was related to the list of articles for review. It's quite exemplary that a list of interconnected articles was created. It makes the whole process easier to track. In regards to the section on whether the Mongols captured Jerusalem, I found the involved discussion very interesting. We can all see that Peter Jackson's remarks can be paraphrased in several ways. Saying according to Peter Jackson... is certainly one way of stating it. That is not deception, bias, or destructive behaviour, it's just one way. It is quite common in scholarly debate, to start with a statement that may not quite be acceptable to all sides, and work toward a statement that is more acceptable. To state, from the outset that a person is behaving badly, when they possibly are not, doesn't help. The statement could be expanded to "Peter Jackson, while discussing current rumours and reports, states that some of these say blah blah blah". Focusing on the content issues and not on bashing the editors should always remain of paramount import. Wjhonson ( talk) 22:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
One issue I've not really understood about this whole situation, is why some editors are so resistent to the simple idea of splitting the article into pieces. Obviously some editors have so much detail that they want to go into minutiae. I don't see that as a problem. I see that as a great boon to our project. If there really are a great number of sources, giving greatly different testimony, I see no reason not to create mountains of data if it's really that interesting that we have a team of 12 editors working on it. Saying that some of the existent article is so highly biased as to be useless seems to be, in effect saying, that some scholars are worthless to the project. I will never believe that. Each editor involved here has contributed greatly to the project. Each one. Not just some. There is a way, no matter how difficult it might be to perceive it today, for all scholars to live together. The easy way is to find reasons to exclude some. The hard way is to find ways to co-exist. What I've seen so far is normal scholarly debate on sources. The fights at soc.genealogy.medieval can get much more aggressive than anything I've seen here. And yet we're all still alive. Wjhonson ( talk) 22:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 22:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC), note User:Thatcher is the clerk, not me, I'm just opening for him. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG: for three days I have been raising questions about the accuracy of the article Viam agnoscere veritatis that you created. Since then you have continued to edit the article, and I have heard no response from you nor received any acknowledgement of my concerns. This morning I awoke to find that you had once again reverted Franco-Mongol alliance to your prefered version. Your action ignores the consensus at Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance, suggests that your edits have priority in the article, and overwrites recent work by good faith editors. Moreover your prefered version includes pages of disputed material rejected by the other editors. My concerns about Viam agnoscere veritatis are but one small part of this. PHG, it is time to engage with the other participants in the Franco-Mongol discussions or withdraw from this area completely. Aramgar ( talk) 13:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I have blocked you for edit warring at Franco-Mongol alliance. I warned you about this. The two votes you added to the poll would be vote stacking--the talk history clearly shows the two people did not participate and you offerred no proof thereof when I asked it. The poll had a consensus for the short version; and you more than double the size to almost 200k in one edit, way beyond normal article length. This diff show you are openly not acknowledgeing other editors' opinions. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, as I see, you put Image:DejimaAstronomy.jpg on commons. Do you have additional information about it? Because on de.WP it was claimed that it depicts Philipp Franz von Siebold and his family, and I don't know how to verify this. -- 790 ( talk) 10:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I see that you want to list certain of our conversations in mediation, in the ArbCom case. This is generally considered bad form, but I wanted to suggest a solution. Even though all communications in mediation are supposed to be privileged, I would be willing to waive this right and allow the mediation discussion to be public, if both you and our mediator agree. However, this would also mean that I would be able to provide diffs of things that you had said in mediation, where I felt that you had said things that were misleading (such as about a certain passage in Latin). It's up to you though. My first reaction is to avoid any mention of what happened in mediation. But, if you want to open things up (and Tariq is okay on it), then we can lay it out on the table for everyone to see. Let me know what you think, -- El on ka 18:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Your evidence includes the statement: There is currently a discussion with Durova (another of Elonka's friends?) about handdrawings from picture of ancient artefacts. References to my policy objections regarding another Wikimedia website are, at best, premature. Your suggestion that I act upon partisanship rather than policy is inappropriate. I do not manufacture imaginary objections to please Elonka.
Please weigh the possibility that I may know what I'm talking about. I have 15 featured pictures at Commons and I operate a restoration workshop for vintage images. An impartial administrator took my concerns seriously enough to block you for three days there, which is a strong indication that those 54 uploads of yours probably are policy violations and not business as usual by Commons norms. You could pursue the reasonable solution of transwiki that would let you continue to use all of these sketches at Wikipedia legitimately.
Since part of the arbitration case against you concerns the legitimacy of your use of sources, it is to your advantage to take a conservative approach. Instead you have refused to cooperate and named me in your formal evidence in a way that invites rebuttal, and I have a rebuttal drafted. I would very much prefer if you withdrew the reference to me from your statement, so that there isn't any need to post what I've written. I will wait one day. Durova Charge! 22:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi PHG. Sorry about the delay - the phone rang before I got to post on the talk page. :) Regarding the Latin of the texts, there are several Wikipedians who read Latin, so perhaps you could find one you trust to confirm the letters' contents for you. Kafka Liz ( talk) 14:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Your article Aïbeg and Serkis seems to be yet another coatrack for your Franco-Mongol enthusiasms. Aïbeg and Serkis are historical figures associated with Franco-Mongol diplomacy, certainly. The problem rests in the repetition of these problematic statements:
Similar statements have been removed from Franco-Mongol alliance and Viam agnoscere veritatis, and the secondary sources to which you refer have been questioned by other users ( Talk:Viam_agnoscere_veritatis#1248_letter). Furthermore, the Latin of the letter in question says nothing at all about an alliance ( Talk:Viam_agnoscere_veritatis#22_November_1248:_Viam_cognoscere_veritatis). If what Grousset and Runciman have to say about the letter is demonstrably untrue, we should cease to invoke them on this issue. Aramgar ( talk) 17:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
FYI, I have filed a motion at the Arbitration case, that you should cease creating articles in Franco-Mongol related topics while the case is open. If you would like to participate at the thread, the link is here. The general consensus is that you should stop voluntarily, so that a formal motion does not need to proceed. Will you agree to this, to voluntarily avoid creating any further articles in this topic area for awhile? Thanks, El on ka 01:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this is the best solution. Nobody should ever feel forced to stop editing wikipedia unless they are a blatant vandal. If content and accuracy is questionable it should be discussed rationally and an effort to produce an article or series of articles which people can basically agree on. I don't know all the details but it looks like the situation has been blown out of proportion but I urge you to try to remain calm and remember that there are editors who have seen a lot of good work from you in the past of which you should remain proud of, Just hang in there ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC).
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Hi Tariq. I just notified Elonka that I gladly agree to her proposal to open up the content of the Mediation about the Franco-Mongol alliance. Best regards. PHG ( talk) 15:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that Arbitration can be a difficult thing, but please say your piece there instead of attacking Elonka across a number of talk pages. Spend some time finding diffs that support the accusations you're making and present those in the arbitration case. Shell babelfish 08:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
What she got back to me about tallies with what you found. Thanks! Ealdgyth | Talk 16:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 02:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi PHG. I am aware of how she uses the phrase. My use of it was merely a sly reference to the subtitle of her 1979 article. My apologies if this was unclear. On a side note, I am touched by your confidence in my dedication to pursuing you. :) Kafka Liz ( talk) 14:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello PHG ! You did a Great Work concerning the Battle of Baghdad and the franco-mongols alliance ! Dont considerate the bad reactions of these Catholics from Poland who dont have a scholar background and know nothing about the real history of the Buddhist Hulagu. Dr. Dominique Boubouleix, Dr. EPHE in Sorbonne, Dr. Litt. CIU, Chancellor of the CIU London. My page : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Boubouleix PS forget Please my poor english which sounds bad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Boubouleix ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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Please respond to Brad's request for information in a separate section. Interweaving comments in Elonka's section, especially when you are splitting one comment by her into several, so that they are not signed, is confusing. Do not edit another party's evidence; use your own section. I tried once to fix this but you either did not notice or ignored me so now fix it yourself. For long, detailed analysis you may wish to instead add a section to the evidence page and link to it from the workshop. Thatcher 19:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Geir (Gehrhardt).
Only the Buddhist material of the article has been deleted massively, without any explanation.
Urgently come to it's talkpage, kindly, so as to prevent the whole page being emptied. Thank you, you will find my entry there.
Geir Smith ( talk) 09:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello PGH,
I saw your contributions on Buddhism, and thank you for it all. I'm French from the last forty last years of living here, and am shocked at the mob-lynching going on at Franco-Mongol Alliance's Arbit. page. I talked about it at the Buddhist forum where the Dalai Lama has his followers at Phayul.com and said that a scholar being dragged through the mud by the people on the street was really shocking. I saw that you lack support: and at that forum there are many scholars reading so I hope to bring you support shortly. I also made a straw vote with you and Sponsianus's votes and we came up to a five majority. I thus hope to attract many more than this. I'm sending this to several places now as this letter will reveal the extent of the problem by it's explicitness and be useful, I think.
I have also written a lengthy explaining letter to the Buddhist French forum of Buddhaline that is close to my own lineage of Buddhism Ngor, the main sect of Sakya, as you must know what is, what with your being a well-read person on Buddhism, as I'm sure you are. The article that was the reason for my removing from Wiki and the deleting of all its Buddhist material is now up and running and can be consulted for all purposes at http://geirsmith.org/ShambhalaBaghdad1.html Please feel free to contact me at geir.smith@yahoo.fr I'll be ready to make the problem of underrepresentation of Buddhist voices on the Arbitration page be made known on all Buddhist forums, if this seems interesting to you, and this we can talk about between us if you kindly contact me.
Geir Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.138.39.105 ( talk) 18:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
A quick comment, please read and digest.
At Arbitration, all conduct is taken into account. That includes noting that you are spamming a hostile note against another user to multiple people's talk pages, for example, as you have done today.
Whether right or whether wrong, your conduct is what is at consideration at RFAR. Whatever the other issues may be, this is clearly within the bounds of what we would consider " disruptive conduct". This is not a view on the content or the issue, but purely that it is not okay, whoever does it and for whatever reason they do it. I suggest cordially, you take advice and desist, now and permanently, from it.
Written as a personal note.
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I'm not sure who is making up what anymore. In fact I'm pretty much convinced you are perpetrating an elaborate hoax, so I'm not going to retract anything, I think I'll just ignore the whole thing from now on. Adam Bishop ( talk) 13:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
PHG, your comment here to Aramgar was out of line, a violation of Wikipedia's policy on "No personal attacks", where you implied that his edits are destructive. [29] That is absolutely not the case -- Aramgar is one of the more constructive editors that we have in this topic area, and his ability to translate medieval Latin is extremely valuable. That you would say anything to try and antagonize him off the project is appalling to me. Please try to adopt a better standard of behavior. -- El on ka 20:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
PHG, regarding this image that you uploaded it in November, I see that you neglected to indicate where that you got it from. Could you please let me know the source? I would like to verify the title. According to my records, Baldwin did not "cede the Temple of Solomon" to the Templars. Instead, he allowed them to setup their quarters in part of his royal palace, including the Al Aqsa Mosque, which the Crusaders referred to as the Temple of Solomon since it was built atop the ruins. But it wasn't the actual Temple. -- El on ka 06:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hi FayssalF. I would like to share with you some updates about Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision. It has just been made clear that a large part of the accusations made against me were based on a false claim being made by Elonka and Aramgar about a name "Viam agnoscere veritatis" being used for a multiplicity of Papal bulls Talk:Viam agnoscere veritatis#Untangling (arbitrary section break). Both were making a false claim, intentionally of not, and have been using this claim to motivate a multiplicity of editors to make depositions against me ( here, here and the numerous "Viam agnoscere depositions of the Workshop page such as [31]). It's clear that the discussion heated up (on both sides) but it turns out I was right to dispute their misrepresentation of historical facts. I challenge judgements which are based on such false evidence and manipulation. Another recent case of Elonka obviously misrepresenting sources has been exposed here Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance#Introduction. All my contributions are properly referenced from published sources, and if sometimes we can have differences in interpretation, nobody has been able to identify a single case of fabrication of sources or whatever (as demonstrated in User:Ealdgyth/Crusades quotes testbed, embedded responses [32]). I am asking you to think twice before believing the accusations of such editors. Elonka is well known for throwing endless accusation at someone and spinning the truth in order to get support [33]. Please view Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision for a update of these issues. Regards PHG ( talk) 16:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
This Arbitration case is closed and the final decision has been published at the link above. PHG ( talk · contribs) is prohibited from editing articles relating to medieval or ancient history for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion. PHG is reminded that in contributing to Wikipedia (including his talkpage contributions, contributions in other subject-matter areas, and contributions after the one-year editing restriction has expired), it is important that all sourced edits must fairly and accurately reflect the content of the cited work taken as a whole. PHG is also reminded that Wikipedia is a collaborative project and it is essential that all editors work towards compromise and a neutral point of view in a good-faith fashion. When one editor finds themselves at odds with most other editors on a topic, it can be disruptive to continue repeating the same argument. After suggestions have been properly considered and debated, and possible options considered, if a consensus is clear, the collegial and cooperative thing to do is to acknowledge the consensus, and move on to other debates.
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For the Arbitration committee, Thatcher 01:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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user:PHG is under a restriction that he "is prohibited from editing articles relating to medieval or ancient history for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion". This restriction became active on the morning of 14 March, which PHG surely knew (being a close follower of the case). It was brought in the context of articles that covered a wide range of historical topics, sevarl of which focussed on the core dispute area of Franco-Mongol alliance and other related history.
PHG - this breaches several points of your ruling. It is in breach of Remedy 1 (do not edit topics related to medieval history), in breach of Remedy 1 again (permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion), I have not evaluated Remedy 2 (must fairly and accurately reflect the content of the cited work taken as a whole) but note others have found this not complied with in the past, and hope that you will not seek to breach Remedy 4 (it can be disruptive to continue repeating the same argument. After suggestions have been properly considered and debated, and possible options considered, if a consensus is clear, the collegial and cooperative thing to do is to acknowledge the consensus, and move on).
As a result of your multiple breaches of remedy 1, I have blocked you for 48 hours, and noted this at the Arbitration page.
FT2 ( Talk | email) 20:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
PHG, whether you agree or not, you are under remedies and restrictions which will affect your permitted editing. You are under these because as a community and committee the consensus is that your editing has led to it. You may agree, or disagree, and that's fine. But you may not breach them, even if you disagree.
Last, Remedy 4 is important too ("It can be disruptive to continue repeating the same argument. After suggestions have been properly considered and debated, and possible options considered, if a consensus is clear, the collegial and cooperative thing to do is to acknowledge the consensus, and move on".)
FT2 ( Talk | email) 12:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a courtesy notification to alert you that I have filed a request to amend the above-linked case. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Request to amend prior case: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance for more details. Daniel ( talk) 10:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Since you are still violating ArbCom sanctions, I have requested another block. You can see my report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:PHG. -- El on ka 23:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Greco-Bactrian Kingdom. 82.20.19.200 ( talk) 12:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
As you are fully aware, an Arbitration ruling at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance, you are prohibited from creating or editing Wikipedia articles related to medieval history for a period of one year:
PHG ( talk · contribs) is prohibited from editing articles relating to medieval or ancient history for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion.
Your creation of France-Japan relations (19th century) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), now deleted, is a violation of this ruling. Further to the material at WP:AE#User:PHG, I have blocked your account for 60 hours, and annotated the case's log of blocks accordingly.
PHG, you are simply not permitted to edit articles related to medieval history—that is a simple fact. It is imperative that you refrain from doing so, and similarly from creating such articles: the end result, as you have discovered several times now, will be a withdrawal of your editing privileges as a response. Please do not try other's patience again on this matter. AGK § 19:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
This is ridiculous! What has France-Japan relations (19th century) to do with Medieval History?? The 19th century has nothing to do with Medieval History as far as I know! Even the background material mentionned in the article only starts in 1545, with the first contacts between Japan and the West, which is not Medieval but Renaissance (the Medieval period typically end in 1492). Please revert this delete immediately, cancel the block and clear the block log, as this is totally unfair and against the Arbcom ruling. Thank you. PHG ( talk) 20:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Per Honor et Gloria ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Totally inadequate block. I am restricted from editing Ancient History or Medieval History article, but France-Japan relations (19th century) has nothing to do with that!! Since when is 19th century Medieval history?? Please cancel immediately this unfair block, reinstate the deleted article, and clear the block log from this totally unwarranted action. PHG ( talk) 20:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Decline reason:
See the section "Block review" below. — Sandstein ( talk) 08:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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PHG, without comment as to the merits of this block, I'd also like to see things work out. As I stated at arbitration, for instance, you're a talented amateur photographer with highly encyclopedic tastes. Maybe it's hard to trust Elonka after all that's passed between you (or even hard to trust me); would you be willing to seek formal mentorship with an impartial Wikipedian? I'm mentoring an editor who's been through arbitration under a completely unrelated case and he often bounces ideas off me in advance of posting--it's a way to help keep things productive and on track. He's not perfect and neither am I, but it helps. And when he has a bad idea (occasionally we all have bad ideas) he knows I don't have any other agenda when I tell him so. If this is an idea that interests you, I'll start a noticeboard query and see who responds. You'd choose whoever you think is the best match. No obligations, just a positive suggestion that might help move things forward. What do you think of it? Durova Charge! 21:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
How long is this going to go on? Both sides are interpreting the decision narrowly. PHG is going to go on creating and editing articles that are technically not covered by it, and those opposed to him will jump on any reason, no matter how tiny, to block him, until he is blocked for good. Is that the goal here? Or is everyone trying to make him so frustrated that he leaves on his own? Adam Bishop ( talk) 23:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks. My apologies to all, especially PHG, for the delay in getting back: I'd went offline before seeing Sandstein's message on my talk page, essentially missing this thread. I will firstly state that the specific boundaries of the ArbCom ruling—"medieval" or "ancient" history articles—which is probably why I've had some prodding as to why this block was made. My primary platform was thus: PHG has been shown to duck under the ruling, by editing in history-related areas, whilst simultaneously gaming by editing in the renaissance period—technically, just after the medieval time frame. The purpose of the ArbCom ruling was to send out a clear message to PHG: your approach to editing needs to change. PHG has edited in completely the opposite direction of this: a quick look at the WP:AE thread shows rehashing of expired disputes, which is serving no purpose but to disrupt the improvement of articles. My block was a counter-disruption measure (see the blocking policy), and I truly hope PHG heeds that message. Hopefully this clears up some of the confusion. |
(un-dent) *sigh* No PHG, the report at the AE noticeboard contained more than just the single block reason you're focusing on; it would be incredibly pointless for someone to unblock and reblock you :( (see, this is where I start to get worn out again). And again (the fact that I have to keep saying again is not any fun and indicative of the fact that we're covering the same ground), more than one editor feels that you were stretching the limits of the history related restriction and more than one editor feels you were not; since that is the case and I'm not an expert, I'm not comfortable with simply over-turning another admin's deletion (in fact, I'm not a big fan of undoing other admins actions at all without community discussion), which is why I suggested DRV - I would even be happy to post the report there for you if you'd outline what you would like to say. You can post it here, email me or even hit me up over instant messenger if that's more convenient -- I think though, it at least deserves some discussion outside of the small group of people who've been so wound up in all these goings on.
I know you feel that your talk page edits aren't against consensus, but honestly, one of the things you're bringing up again has had 8 threads and spanned two different talk pages. I do want to clarify though that I don't think all of your talk page contributions are problematic and I've actually added things to articles you brought up on talk since your restrictions started, but I do think you tend to be very repetitive when you differ in opinion and you seem to be unable to let things drop when you disagree.
If we really have to go over the "recreation" again, I suppose I can point this out again. The prevailing notion at MfD was that you don't get to keep your preferred version in article space; this notion is based on user space policy. Re-creating the page to link directly to the historical version that is your preferred version does precisely the same thing in the end. It's simply disingenuous to insist you were in the right in causing the same problem again immediately after the MfD closed (there's again, again several times :( ).
I think I could do with a cup of tea, so please understand if there's something I don't reply to right away. Thanks :) Shell babelfish 08:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
"The France-Japan relations (19th century) article was abusively deleted by Administrator AGK on the ground that it was related to " Medieval history", an area which the creator User:PHG is currently restricted from editing. However, the 19th century has nothing to do with Medieval History, neither does backgroung material mentionning the second half of the 16th century as the beginning of Japan-Western relations (For most historians the "Medieval" period typically end with the 15th century, or the 1492 discovery of the New World). It is requested that the article be immediately reinstated, so that the author ( User:PHG) can continue his legitimate work on it. The creation of this article was also used as a justification to block User:PHG for 60 hours, a decision which is currently highly contested by numerous users on User talk:PHG. This seems to be part of a pattern of harassment following PHG's Arbcom restrictions. Besides his restrictions from editing Ancient History and Medieval History articles, PHG was actually encouraged by the Arbcom commity to contribute in other areas, an example of which is France-Japan relations (19th century). Please reinstate the last version of this article. Regards. PHG ( talk) 09:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict with Elonka and Shell above) After reviewing the unblock request, Elonka's comment on my talk page and AGK's reply above, I cannot agree with the block based on most of the reasons that are currently given for it:
Accordingly, I suggest that the blocking administrator reduce the block to a time span that is appropriate for sanctioning PHG's recreation of deleted content, or lift the block if he agrees not to do this again. So as not to wheel-war, I won't do it unilaterally. (As a note to PHG, the block log cannot be edited, and if you want to restore the article, you need to ask at WP:DRV if the deleting administrator won't do it.) Sandstein ( talk) 08:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
As someone not involved with the original content dispute or the Arbitration, it is clear to me that PHG has been improperly harried, and was blocked for behavior that he was permitted to continue under the ArbComm decision. If it is marginal, as has been asserted above, then the appropriate remedy would be a credible warning and discussion, clarifying the boundaries. The block was improper on its face, and should be lifted, and if there are marginal behaviors, as may be the case, they should be specifically addressed to tighten the limitations or otherwise clarify what is permitted and what is not. For PHG to claim that a block is outrageous, on his Talk page, is not a sanctionable offense at all, and I, frankly, tend to agree with him. Behind all this, I'm aware that this editor has what might be called social problems. We should help resolve those problems, not take sides. It is not just him.-- Abd ( talk) 18:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
There's been extensive discussion on this topic, and I think that's healthy: it's sending a clear signal, that behavioural issues from PHG will be scrutinised deeply; also, it just goes to show that I can't make abusive blocks! :) However, I do not think this block was unwarranted. Granted, the actual block summary—that PHG was blocked for editing medieval history pages—was technically not correct. However, it has been shown that PHG is continuing to duck under the specific boundaries of the remedy.
I am concerned that PHG will continue to ignore the general message of the restriction remedy—that he needs to change his attitude to editing. I cannot stress this enough, PHG: you need to radically overhaul your editing habits. Please cease re-hashing disputes, tenacious contributions, etc. Your behaviour really needs to change, and I very much hope it does: you've made some good history contributions, but it's your attitude whilst editing that is of concern.
I am reducing this block to 20-hours. To that end, I have unblocked your account; although blocks are not penal, I find the description that I am unblocking on " time served" to be most informative. Please use your second chance well, PHG. AGK § 20:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
This comment at my talk page struck me as surprisingly friendly and civil. You're heading along the right paths—I hope you keep it up, PHG. BTW, I've restored the article. Kind regards, Anthøny 22:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I just get a bit bothered when I see editors ganging up to shut out legitimate edits by other users, but I didn't seem to get much support at the page in question so your barnstar is much appreciated :) Gatoclass ( talk) 13:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
You have two direction in which you can go, and you probably cannot go in both directions. You can continue to contribute to articles of interest to you, subject to scrupulous and discussed adherence to the terms of your ArbComm restrictions, or you can struggle for justice, personal justice, and, as well, general justice. While the choice is yours, the timing of the latter may be unfortunate. If you try to do both, the former situation will vastly complicate the latter, and vice-versa.
Please see my edit to another AN/AE case for DreamGuy, which refers to you. If you are interested in working for a saner community, please watch my notices page, User:Abd/Notices. At this point, because of your restrictions, mostly passive involvement, only, would be advisable. Unless you are willing to immolate yourself for "the cause," a path I do not recommend, at least not at this time. I suggest you conduct yourself like a total saint. If someone attacks you, turn the other cheek. Do not respond, don't even complain. Let others defend you, if they will, and if they don't, understand that the time is then not ripe for you to find justice. And, also note, if it happens that you are wrong, you'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble. And wait and watch. If you do, your restrictions will be lifted, and you will have some degree of increased freedom. The situation which has afflicted you is common on Wikipedia, in fact, and it is going to take patient work to address it. It may take years of patient work. The immediate situations distract us from this, because the problem is not this jerk or that jerk, the problem is the system, a system which actually encourages, in spite of formal policies, jerkiness.
The problem is not the policies. The problem is what I just called the "system," which means the real operating structure, mostly informally set up, not essential Wikipedia and, in fact, often operating contrary to policy, but because it is not explicit and there is no structure restraining it, providing a means for true, informed, community consensus to arise, local participation bias allows resentments and other poison to accumulate. Countless users, in your situation, have either left in disgust or been banned. So, first of all, understand that you are not alone. And, second, understand that to build the real project is going to meet, and is already meeting, severe opposition, from an ancient enemy, whose favorite device is inducing us to fight with each other, to hate each other, to have contempt for each other. All of us, when we fall into these traps, are serving that ancient enemy. This enemy does not want true NPOV knowledge to be generally available. Increasingly, the specific battles to prevent this are being won by the people of truth (NPOV *is* truth, truth is not a POV, rather it is closer to the *sum* of POVs), but the enemy has retreated to inhibiting the completion of the project and the creation of devices to make it truly accessible. And this is a huge issue, how to proceed. My tactic is to create the institutions which can plan and guide our activities toward this, I will be increasingly less involved with content, including the "content" of the actual policies and practices. Metastructure. My outside work is developing systems that communities can use to communicate, cooperate, and coordinate, to find consensus and act on it, efficiently.
I just happened upon your situation though the MfD. You do understand that nothing I've said condones incivility on your part, nor do I approve of even mild misrepresentation of sources. However, I also know that those who are earnestly working for the project can easily fall into both errors, and reprimand and warning should generally be enough. The exercise of avoiding even the smallest incivility, such as is easy when complaining, may help you in the future to avoid major lapses.
I can't comment on the whole of your edit history, but certainly any admin who can't tell the difference between Medieval History and the 19th century and blocks you over it ought to have their admin status revoked immediately (as should anyone rationalizing it away instead of telling the admin he was ought of line). There's a point when they aren't even pretending to follow policies and just go around and make whatever actions they want. Admin status is sold to the general Wikipedia public as if it were some janitor-type service where anyone should be able to be trusted with it, yet there's a lot of them treating it as if it gave them the right to act like a sheriff in the wild west. DreamGuy ( talk) 21:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
See [ [39]], please shorten your statement to within the 500 word guideline. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hello.
I have removed the discussion and refactored your statement of WP:RFAR as it was much longer than permitted (500 words). I believe I've left the substance of your arguments intact; but feel free to correct it if I've made errors.
Do not make your statement any longer. It is currently already slightly over the limit, and you have been previously warned about its length. — Coren (talk) for the Arbitration Committee 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi FayssalF. You seem to be arguing on Arbcom for my User Subpages to be included in my restrictions from editing Ancient History or Medieval History articles. Please note that I manage vast quantities of images from museums around the world (such as User:PHG/Metropolitan Museum of Art), which indeed could be interpretated as "related to ancient history". I have however been "encouraged" by the commity to keep contributing such images, as well as material for Talk page discussions and suggestions, and User Subpages are an essential means of achieving this. Could you kindly reconsider? Regards; PHG ( talk) 17:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PHG, you need to insert a real citation from the "Metropolitan notice". The casket seems to really exist according to some papers [40] [41] but I can't find any photography of the object except your photo. Your credibility on photography is challenged by Durova and maybe she is right unless you don't provide "exact source" for this picture.
P.S, you can't edit the article per your probation under Arbicom, so just give your reference here. -- Appletrees ( talk) 13:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thumb|Casket notice at the MET I am delighted to help. Please find hereafter the Metropolitan Museum of Art notice to the casket in the article. You will notice that the environment of the two photographs is different, but that's because the casket had been removed to a separate exhibition (in another room) when I visited. You will also notice however that there is only 4 minutes between the two photographs (time to move from one room to the other). Hope you like it. PS: I uploaded under Fair Use, hope this will do. Please help if there's a better solution. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 19:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I had the same problem with the text but I held down ctrl and scrolled the mouse (which makes the text bigger in most browsers) until I could finally read the thing; not sure if you know about that trick, so I thought I'd pass it along. I can't imagine why they would have archived their newletters in such an unreadable format. Shell babelfish 17:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I have read the papal bull issue carefully, so I have the background, but I am wondering about it. It seems that you (of course mistakenly) first posted text from Dei patris immensa (1245-03-05) as if it were from Viam agnoscere veritatis (1248). My questions are: (1) Did the original source known as the "German dissertation" give any name for the 1245 letter it quoted? (2) What actually led you to believe the 1245 letter was the 1248 letter? (3) Can you understand that, since you and perhaps other editors confused the two letters, someone might jump to the conclusion that the two names authoritatively given to the two letters might also be confused? That's really the whole knee-jerk reason for the controversial disambiguation right now. If you are able to understand the concerns that other editors might have, it might lead them to see your concern that neither 1245 letter has never (apparently) been authoritatively named Viam agnoscere veritatis like the 1248 letter. It appears clear that you have no other evidence for their proposition than your own error and any documentation that might have led you to it, and they have not presented any other evidence for it, so there may be hope yet. Let me know here please.
I definitely understand the messes that poor communication about disambiguation can get you into. One day "moneybomb" redirected from here to here; compare that article to the current moneybomb article. Note two different redirection methods between these two edits.
I understand the ArbCom remedies, but I believe that there is no problem with you answering, as this is your talk page and there is no risk of any tendentiousness resulting from your answer to me. Thank you. John J. Bulten ( talk) 21:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello PHG.
It would appear that you are again introducing deliberately false or inaccurate information into articles despite repeated admonitions (and a topic ban from the Arbitration Committee).
This is extremely destructive to the encyclopedia, and appears to be a recurrent pattern of behavior, so I have blocked you until, at the least, arrangements can be made to find a mentor for you that will be able to guide your editing back to a level that is acceptable to the community. Patience is wearing very thin about your behavior, and I would recommend you take (and don't squander) this last olive branch seriously. — Coren (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw the whole thing here. PHG made a simple error about this medal. Because PHG had been pressured by an AFD made only 7 hours after article creation, he (and I and others) decided to scramble for sources which we believed would prove notability. Among them was a Japanese source stating Polak had won a "Chevalier" medal. It is a natural mistake for PHG to suppose that the intended medal was the Légion d'honneur, which has a "Chevalier" class. When others questioned this like Jehochman (also the AFD nominator, also in the recent ArbCom case which got PHG restricted), PHG very rapidly acknowledged the correct citation, the lesser Ordre national du Mérite. Using an official French source, he also noted that after obtaining the "Chevalier" class Polak received the next class, "Officier". He did this very graciously, I think. User:Appletrees has also protested the block at that link.
I have not yet reviewed the claims that PHG's new second source for the Chevalier medal has been impeached by another "official" source, but as it stands there's certainly enough to prove good faith in the initial medal confusion and the prompt correction. If another correction is necessary I'm sure PHG is up to it. The difficulty sourcing arises not from bad faith or POV pushing but the pressure PHG has faced from having his every step community-peer-reviewed in what is probably not his native language. Simple errors are to be expected.
Also, PHG is not under a topic ban pertaining to this topic (unless you subscribe to the extremist class that has argued that since Polak occasionally mentions the 16th century, he is related to medieval history which presumably extends into the 16th century-- that argument was rejected by consensus). Nor has PHG deliberately inserted false or misleading information, as I demonstrate. In fact, PHG has specifically requested remedy from ArbCom for people making false statements about his topic ban and for charging him with deliberate bad behavior.
By the way, I was the editor who mistakenly inserted into the article about M. Christian P. Polak, the French aeroscience businessman, one sentence that described instead M. Christian C. Polak, the French energy businessman. I hope you understand. I did not advocate for its retention when Slp1 made me swiftly aware of its doubtfulness, and I applauded Slp1 for telling me once the facts and my error were clear. Do I get indef block too?
I trust you too, like PHG and I, are able to admit error on occasion. John J. Bulten ( talk) 23:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Dear all, thank you for your kind support on this. I'm just waking up (Paris time). I do read and write Japanese quite fluently (I spent quite a few years there), and I basically never use a translation tool such as Google for Japanese. Unfortunately, I am not an expert of the Japanese names for French medals though. When I saw the information I did think that 国家功労賞 was Japanese for "Legion d'honneur". I asked a Japanese national (who speaks fluent French), who could not give me the French name for 国家功労賞 either. The Japanese site used for the source is an online publishing house [42], which should be fair enough as a source. A few hours later and some Googling, I realized 国家功労賞 was Ordre National du Merite. I was wrong with the denomination of the medal, so I corrected it right away ("Ahhh, 国家功労賞 seems to be Ordre national du Mérite. シュバリエ is Chevalier (the first rank), オフィシエ is Officier (Officer, the second rank). Would somebody have access to the list of recipients of the Ordre national du Mérite? PHG (talk) 20:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)" [43]). By the way, the information from the Japanese site was confirmed by French official sites [44]. Sorry for the mistake, but sometimes Japanese/French/English translations can be tricky, although I think I would rank as quite good at it. Best regards to all. PHG ( talk) 04:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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You have been blocked 1 week for arbcom restriction violations and are strongly encouraged to accept a mentor. See [45]. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I was away for business for a few days, and now find that I am again being blocked. The reasons given are again quite slim [46]:
This essentially represents proper editorial work and discussions. I am asking for this 1 week block to be removed as the reasons given fail to justify such a penalty. Best regards to all. PHG ( talk) 18:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Per Honor et Gloria ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Reasons given do not justify 1 week block (see my preceding post).
Decline reason:
Block is within the parameters set by the Franco-Mongol alliance ArbCom decision. PHG needs to listen to community input from this talk page and on WP:AE, and take responsibility for his actions. Accepting a mentor has been highly recommended by virtually everyone commenting on this situation. Dreadstar † 20:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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I too am opposed to an unblock. However, if for some reason PHG is unblocked and is assigned a mentor (assuming that he accepts one), I would request that a further restriction be placed on PHG that he not be allowed to create any new articles until the old ones are cleaned up.
Since as early as 2004, PHG has been creating new articles at a rapid rate. Now, it is true that in many cases the articles have naturally worked their way into the Wikipedia community review process and already received attention and editing from other editors to further strengthen them. However, many other of PHG's articles appear to have been created in infrequently-visited areas of Wikipedia, and have not received any other substantial attention. Based on my own spot-checking, a number of those articles have errors and bias, and some have no sources whatsoever. This problem has been compounded by the way that PHG has "reinforced" many of the articles by linking to them from other established articles, putting in biased information, but again with no sources. PHG has also often inserted maps (created by PHG) into the articles. Many of these maps have drawn criticism for bias ( example), and again, I would like to see previous creations reviewed, before PHG be allowed to continue with creation of new maps.
On the subject of the Franco-Mongol alliance, we have compiled a List of articles affected by PHG, but it is taking several editor months of time to handle cleanup. Many of us have other things that we would rather be doing on Wikipedia, than spending hours cleaning up after PHG. Better, would be if PHG could go back and clean up his own work.
To reduce the workload on other editors, I would like to see every single one of PHG's articles revisited. If the article doesn't have sources, PHG should be required to list his sources on that article's talkpage. Every single one of his unreviewed articles should also get at least a spotcheck review by an uninvolved editor who has access to at least one of the sources, to verify that the article accurately reflects what is in those sources. Or at a very minimum, a template such as {{ citecheck}} or {{ unref}} should be placed on each of these articles, with a note on the talkpage which links to the ArbCom case and explains the need for review.
After PHG and his mentor have assisted with cleanup of all of his previous work, then and only then should he be allowed to continue with creation of new articles. -- El on ka 00:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I made the following motion and wanted to let you know in case that you do not have the page on your watchlist. The Committee is voting on it and if it passes then it will be announced on your talk page. FloNight ♥♥♥ 23:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone kindly provide a link to where this motion has been introduced? Thanks PHG ( talk) 19:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi FloNight. Please note that I am fluent in French (native), and near-fluent in Japanese, and many topics I write on have a lot of sources in these two languages. I don't think it is reasonable for a universal encyclopedia to only accept English-language sources, when research in other languages can be so rich, and when there are so many contributors around who can check other languages (such as French and Japanese) easily. Just look at an article such as Arcadio Huang, the Chinese librarian of Louis XIV, or France-Japan relations (19th century), in which it is most appropriate to mix sources from various languages. Only accepting English sources on Wikipedia sounds like an act of cultural xenophobia, and is actually very damaging to Wikipedia's ambition to be a universal tool and "the sum of all knowledge". Just a personal opinion. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 19:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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-- Bobet 11:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Cirt ( talk) 18:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi PHG, I'm just dropping you a note to let you know I've filed an RFCU on you here. Kafka Liz ( talk) 15:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
It's crazy I now have to defend myself for edits I never even made. Could anybody actually look at the nature of the reference that has been repeatedly added by the
Bayonne
[56] anon contributor
User:86.207.128.215?:
"* Bernard, Hervé. L'ingénieur général du Génie maritime Louis, Emile Bertin (1840-1924) créateur de la marine militaire du Japon à l'époque de Meiji Tenno (en quadrichromie 84 pages, autoédition 2007, imprimerie Biarritz) (in French)."
This is self-published material ("autoédition") printed by a printer in
Biarritz (a city, guess what... near
Bayonne, where the IP address is located). This is basically self-promotion by someone from southern France (maybe Hervé Bernard himself, or a relative or a local fan). Finally, I really don't think it is credible to claim that someone contributing in Paris could have at the same minute a
Wanadoo IP adress in Bayonne, a small provincial city 500 miles away.
Please note that
User:86.207.128.215 has also been adding similar references on the French Wikipedia, under the same IP address
[57]. He also made similar edits last year to Japan-related articles under the IP address
User:86.207.198.49
[58], with again several edits regarding local celebrities in
Biarritz. Cheers
PHG (
talk)
14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Thatcher has kindly concluded [60] that "those edits do not appear to have been made from PHG's usual method of connecting to the internet, and [he] can probably rule out that he used the simple strategy of resetting his modem in between edits." Let me point out that it also seems impossible to reset a computer from my PHG IP to the anon IP back and forth several times: from the little I know several resets would have to either give identical or randomly different IP adresses [61]. Thatcher said however that he "can not rule out the possibility that these edits were made by some unknown technical means, or were coordinated with a friend.". I can only say that "unknown technical means" is not a possibility for me, as I'm not an Internet maverick. And I don't think I would resort to such extraordinary means to just insert three references about a self-published historian from Biarritz [62]. As for the "friend" option, well, no, I just don't know about User:86.207.128.215. Finally, let me remind that I usually operate from an ISP located in Paris, whereas User:86.207.128.215 operates at the same time from an ISP located in Bayonne [63], a small city on the frontier with Spain, 500 miles away, interestingly the same urban area from where the self-published historian in question (a certain Hervé Bernard) happens to be publishing his work (in Biarritz) [64]. PHG ( talk) 01:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Please note that I will be away for the next two-three days without means of connecting to the Internet. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 01:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
If anybody is still interested, I was cruising at 25,000 feet onboard a long-distance flight when User:86.207.128.215 made his edits on the French Wikipedia on April 19th [65]. I have a boarding pass and a Customs stamp available should a Sysop wish to investigate, and my current IP address would also confirm my current location :). I thus consider myself fully cleared of the accusations that have been made here. As a conclusion, I would appreciate if several contributors would refrain from their systematic attacks and assume good faith in my actions, a stance clearly affirmed by the Arbitration Commity, which also actually encouraged me to continue with contributions outside of my restrictions. Please kindly follow the Arbcom stance instead of using its ruling as an excuse to corner me and try to block me for any possible reason. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 11:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Cirt ( talk) 19:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Here's a nice painting of John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto) in Venetian garb (sourced from "Historic Maritime maps" by Donald Wigal, p.58). Could someone kindly insert the painting in the article dedicated to him? Thanks. PHG ( talk) 13:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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The arbcom passed a clarification affecting you. The ruling is here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Franco-Mongol_alliance#PHG_is_required_to_provide_a_means_for_the_Community_to_verify_his_sources. and the whole thread is on the talk page thereof. You may choose either or both options. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Regarding Coren, I sent a post to the rest of the Committee so we're all on the same page. I'll get back with you soon to let you know. FloNight ♥♥♥ 11:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, PHG
You might be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Christianity in China work group that recently formed. Your knowledge of the Jesuit history would be helpful. Just wanted to send a friendly invite to get more folks involved. Thanks. Brian0324 ( talk) 14:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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I've nominated your article for a DYK. My entry at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_June_1 is:
-- 74.13.130.46 asked: Not sure if 1688 is the appropriate name for this Siamese item. The Gregorian calendar was unlikely to be in use by the locals. "1688" was probably only used by historians from the West. What's the local name for this event?
Do you have an answer? I googled and all I could find was "western" accounts that call it the Siamese revolution of 1688.-- Work permit ( talk) 15:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
France also participated in the Bombardment of Kagoshima, aimed at quelling discontent against foreigner and the killing of several foreign residents in Japan.
The Japanese Bakufu government, challenged at home by factions which desired the expulsion of foreign powers and the restoration of Imperial rule, also wished to develop military skills as soon as possible. Negociations with Napoleon III started through Shibata Takenaka as soon as 1865. In 1867, the first French Military Mission to Japan arrived in Yokohama, among them Captain Jules Brunet. The military mission would engage into a training program to modernize the armies of the Shogunate, until the Boshin war broke out a year later leading to a full-scale civil war between the Shogunate and the pro-Imperial forces. There is a well-known photograph of the Shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu in French uniform, taken during that period. [1]
Foreign powers agreed to take a neutral stance in the conflict, but a large portion of the French mission resigned and joined the forces they had trained in their conflict against Imperial forces. French forces would become a target of Imperial forces, leading to the Kobe incident on January 11th, 1868, in which a fight erupts in Akashi between 450 samurai of the Okayama fief and French sailors, leading to the occupation of central Kobe by foreign troops. Also in 1868 eleven French sailors from the Dupleix were killed in the Sakai incident, in Sakai, near Osaka, by southern rebel forces. [2]
Jules Brunet would become a leader of the military effort of the Shogunate, reorganizing its defensive efforts and accompanying it to Hokkaido until the ultimate defeat. After the fall of Edo, Jules Brunet fled north with Enomoto Takeaki, the leader of the Japanese Shogunate's navy, and helped set up the Ezo Republic, with Enomoto Takeaki, as the President. He also helped organize the defense of Hokkaidō in the Battle of Hakodate. Troops were structured under a hybrid Franco-Japanese leadership, with Otori Keisuke as Commander-in-chief, and Jules Brunet as second in command. [3] Each of the four brigades were commanded by a French officer ( Fortant, Marlin, Cazeneuve, Bouffier), with eight Japanese commanders as second in command of each half-brigade. [4]
Despite its support of the losing side of the conflict during the Boshin war, France continued to play a key role in introducing modern technologies in Japan, whether in the economic or military fields.
In 1870, Henri Pelegrin was invited to direct the construction of Japan's first gas-lightning system in the streets of Nihonbashi, Ginza and Yokohama. In 1872, Paul Brunat opened the first modern Japanese silk spinning factory at Tomioka. Three craftsmen from the Nishijin weaving district in Kyoto, Sakura tsuneshichi, Inoue Ihee and Yoshida Chushichi travel to Lyon. They travel back to Japan in 1873, importing a Jacquard loom. Tomioka became Japan's first large-scale silk-reeling factory, and an example for the industrialization of the country.
France was also highly regarded for the quality of its Legal system, and was used as an example to establish the country's legal code. The legal expert Gustave Emile Boissonade was sent to Japan in 1873 to help build a modern legal system.
Everytime France was deemed to have a specific expertise, its technologies were introduced. In 1882, the first tramways were introduced from France and started to function at Asakusa, and between Shinbashi and Ueno. In 1898, the first automobile is introduced in Japan, a French Panhard-Levassor.
Despite the French defeat during the Franco-Prussian war, France was still considered as an example in the military field as well, and was used as a model for the development of the Imperial Japanese Army. [5] As soon as 1872, a second French Military Mission to Japan (1872-1880) was invited, with the objective of organizing the army and establishing a military educational system. The mission established the Ichigaya Military Academy (市ヶ谷陸軍士官校), built in 1874, on the ground of today's Ministry of Defense. [6]
A third French Military Mission to Japan (1884-1889) composed of five men started in 1884, [7] but this time the Japanese also involved some German officers for military advice from 1886 to 1889 (the Meckel Mission).
The French Navy leading engineer Emile Bertin was invited to Japan for three years to reinforce the Imperial Japanese Navy, and direct the construction of the arsenals of Kure and Sasebo. For the first time, with French assistance, the Japanese were able to build a full fleet, some of it built in Japan, some of it in France and a few other European nations. These efforts contributed to the Japanese victory in the First Sino-Japanese war. [8]
This period also allowed Japan "to embrace the revolutionary new technologies embodied in torpedoes, torpedo-boats and mines, of which the French at the time were probably the world's best exponents". [9]
Hey, PHG. I have placed another response on Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance that you should see. Also, I think you should cease editing the article (like everybody) until we get discussion going on the talk page. This article is wrapped up in too many disputes to be helped by any editing whatsoever. Everything hinges on dispute resolution, so all editing ought to just be halted until that occurs. I am trying to work out an acceptable process that all involved/interested parties will accept. Your help would be appreciated and remember: consensus will be necessary to get that annoying accuracy tag removed and to stop a recurring edit war. Srnec ( talk) 05:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the recent discussion on the talk page seems to be upsetting to you. I understand how difficult it is to see others condense a great deal of what you've written; I know I've had a few gut wrenching moments when I've looked back at articles where I contributed the majority of the original text. After careful consideration though, I've realized that other editors aren't trying to destroy what I've created, they're trying to improve it. Sometimes, I've needed to go back and engage the editors about some errors in the changes they made or discuss further improvements to the article, but I've done that by talking things out with them, not reverting their edits.
What can we do to help you feel comfortable discussing the article and changes with other editors? The past few days of edits by both sides of the dispute just haven't been productive as they could have been and I hate to see everyone spinning their wheels waiting for this to play out. Shell babelfish 23:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I am sorry that it has had to come to this given your history of quality contributions, but it appears that you did not heed my earlier warning about your conduct at Franco-Mongol alliance. The issue was called to my attention again yesterday by two separate editors, and after having reviewed the article and talk page history, as well as the AFDs of the POV forks you created, it is apparent that you do not wish to work with other editors to improve the article. Your recent actions there have been deceptive, biased, antagonistic, generally disruptive, and show that you are increasingly trying to express ownership of and manipulate the content. It is for those reasons I have decided that a 24 hour block is in order. If you, or a reviewing administrator wishes to know exact instances of these charges, please post here as I will have your talk page on my watchlist. Ioeth ( talk contribs friendly) 14:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent) I agree that there is a possible failure to strive for consensus. An RfC on this issue would be most productive to the project. If PHG does not want to create one, than other involved editors should. The situation should be presented *neutrally* and not with bias toward any editor. Wjhonson ( talk) 21:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent) I do not feel that the above summary is an entirely accurate view on the situation. Regardless, there appears to be a breakdown on any attempt to reach consensus, to such an extent as to involve peripheral editors in the spillover. In that situation, an RfC is what is called for to elicit wider community involvement. Warnings, blocks and other forms of focus on one editor with a productive history, make the situation look, to outsiders, as a concerted attack to silence an opponent. Surely you would have no issue with a wider community RfC where all side could present the situation in a fair and non-threatening venue. Wjhonson ( talk) 02:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I have filed a request for arbitration where you are named as a party. Please feel free to make a statement. Jehochman Talk 15:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Please rephrase or withdraw the word "perjury"; it is not an acceptable term here, on several fronts. Thx. El_C 18:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 05:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
PHG, in your talk page this user has made wild accusations on me. I will request you please read the relevant sections on Talk:Poverty in India to give you an inside in this user and to understand who is incivil. You please read the texts like these [10], [11], [12]. The Bodggaya beggar image is more appropriate than others because:
There is no "typical" definition of poverty, or beggar. There are abled beggar, disabled beggar. The purpose of the article is depicting poverty. The other beggar images which this user want to place deleting the Bodhgaya beggar image are not good quality, one is B&W, and the other depicting a beggar girl in Ladakh. But my objection here is that Ladakh is quite different from rest of the country because of its geographics. Majority Indians live in plain. And this Bodhgaya beggar image is showing poverty at its most extreme level. It is not right to conceal the situation of poor men like this, it is the truth, the reality. This image touches the heart of the reader, which is a real situation. Yes not all beggars are disabled, but is this an argument? On the other hand it also can be said that not all beggars are abled. Our job here is not to understand who is abled, or who is not. But to find a good image which is representative of many.
Hi, after reviewing about three dozen of your pencil sketches I've found a serious problem that appears to apply to just about the whole collection. Fortunately it's a solveable problem. Multiple levels of copyright are involved so I'll address this with bullet points.
Out of 30+ sketches of yours reviewed so far, every one I've been able to verify fully is a derivative work of a copyrighted photograph. Nearly all of the rest are sourced to photographs in copyrighted books. A couple of instances are indeterminate, such as this author where your description is incomplete and it isn't possible to tell which of two similarly titled books by the same author served as the basis for your sketch: the public domain 1921 work or the copyrighted 1951 book.
So unless I'm very mistaken, these sketches of yours should all (or nearly all) be transferred from Commons to Wikipedia where fair use material may be hosted, and have the license tags changed to copyright/fair use. Things are tense onsite right now so I'm coming directly to you; this looks pretty straightforward to regularize. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 21:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Seriously my friend. You're going for the world's record on number of sections! Have a great day! Wjhonson ( talk) 23:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I already had some info prepared in my user sandbox and when I saw you at work I decided I'd finally add it. I'll try not to read on your toes though and I'll let you do your stuff first. Then I'll see if I can add anything else from Hovannisian. Cheers. -- Folantin ( talk) 17:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I am concerned with your recent creation of the article Viam agnoscere veritatis, as you appear to be using it once again as a Coatrack to push this POV about a Franco-Mongol alliance. The sources that you have listed on the article do not make any mention of Viam agnoscere veritatis, and the description that you posted of the document does not have any resemblance to what is actually in the Latin!
As I am sure you know, many editors have expressed strong concerns about your editing in the topic area of the Mongols, and the relations between the Mongols and Europe:
But even despite all the concerns that have been expressed, you are still continuing to add more controversial and biased information to Wikipedia.
PHG, I didn't want to take this step, but I feel it necessary to ask you to stop editing in the topic area of the Mongols. You have engaged in many valuable endeavors on Wikipedia in the past, and I do not want to see you completely leave Wikipedia, but I think it is best if you just stop editinnything related to Western-Mongol relations for awhile. Will you please voluntarily abide by my request? If not, I am afraid that there may be further consequences, such as further sanctions on your behavior and editing privileges. Please, stop this before it gets to that point. -- El on ka 01:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG, it is very clear by the talkpage discussion that there is absolutely no consensus to revert back to your longer version with serious source and POV problems. Please revert yourself instead of continuing to disrupt the article. Shell babelfish 14:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG: There are two serious problems with the abbreviated Latin letter you have posted at Viam agnoscere veritatis. I have transcribed the full text of the letter on the talk page. How do you account for the discrepancy of date between the citation of the letter and the text of the article? How do you account for the fact that this letter mentions neither persecution nor an alliance? It should be clear even to those with no Latin that this letter was carried by a certain Laurentius of Portugal. This Laurentius departed Rome in 1245 about the same time as Ascelin of Lombardia and Simon of St Quentin left for the East by another route. Aramgar ( talk) 23:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
(outdent)Hi Wjhonson, I stand by my comments regarding the difficulty of working with PHG. To respond to your remarks above, can I ask that we set aside whatever tension there may be between you and Elonka? I don’t have any comments to offer regarding ”stalking” or “stirring the pot;” I just wanted to point out that Elonka is not the only editor to have had trouble working with PHG. :) Are you really claiming that every single editor who has voiced concern with PHG’s tactics has “resort[ed] to attacks and abuse and insults?” My observation of his interactions with others and my own personal experience has shown me that his offers of compromise and collaboration seldom bear fruit. This conversation, for example, started with a good faith question by Aramgar regarding factual inaccuracies in the Viam agnoscere veritatis article. All other comments by Elonka, Shell, you and me aside, I think it’s telling that Aramgar never received an answer. Kafka Liz ( talk) 21:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
For anyone reviewing this page, who for some reason has neither the time nor inclination to actually review the related talkpages for themselves, here are relevant diffs which indicate some of the problems with PHG's behavior over the last few months. For a few paragraphs that summarize the content dispute, see User:Elonka/Mongol quickref. For the user conduct issues, see below:
We now have dozens of articles which need complex cleanup, and PHG is continuing to cause more problems on a near daily basis. Most recently, see Talk:Viam agnoscere veritatis, where he is being criticized for original research and misinterpretation of sources. An attempt was made to cleanup the article, but PHG simply added the information right back in.
All other appropriate dispute resolution techniques have been tried, without success. PHG refuses to even acknowledge that his behavior has been a problem, and he simply continues to argue and edit-war.
The thing that is of most concern about all this, is the longterm damage that PHG is causing to Wikipedia. The really dangerous part to Wikipedia, is not just that PHG is defying other editors, but that he seems to have a talent for inserting biased and false information into Wikipedia, and making it look well-sourced. With all of these problems that we have discovered just in his work about the Mongols, I think it is very likely that similar problems will be found in other of PHG's efforts as well, but it is going to require someone actually digging in and looking at the sources to find the truth and identify the areas that need cleanup. For example, it was recently discovered that he has been uploading dozens of images which are copyright violations. Again, this is going to require hours of cleanup time.
In summary: PHG is one of the more dangerous types of editors that we can have on Wikipedia. He inserts false information into the project, in ways that make the information difficult to identify, and difficult to remove. He refuses to work towards consensus. He ignores all good-faith warnings. He wastes the time of many other good editors, who could be spending time on far more productive pursuits than having to clean up after him. I do appreciate that PHG has done some good work on Wikipedia, but I do not think that this balances out all the damage that he is causing at the same time. It is my opinion that unless he agrees to change his behavior, that he should be removed from the project. -- El on ka 07:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the next issue which was related to the list of articles for review. It's quite exemplary that a list of interconnected articles was created. It makes the whole process easier to track. In regards to the section on whether the Mongols captured Jerusalem, I found the involved discussion very interesting. We can all see that Peter Jackson's remarks can be paraphrased in several ways. Saying according to Peter Jackson... is certainly one way of stating it. That is not deception, bias, or destructive behaviour, it's just one way. It is quite common in scholarly debate, to start with a statement that may not quite be acceptable to all sides, and work toward a statement that is more acceptable. To state, from the outset that a person is behaving badly, when they possibly are not, doesn't help. The statement could be expanded to "Peter Jackson, while discussing current rumours and reports, states that some of these say blah blah blah". Focusing on the content issues and not on bashing the editors should always remain of paramount import. Wjhonson ( talk) 22:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
One issue I've not really understood about this whole situation, is why some editors are so resistent to the simple idea of splitting the article into pieces. Obviously some editors have so much detail that they want to go into minutiae. I don't see that as a problem. I see that as a great boon to our project. If there really are a great number of sources, giving greatly different testimony, I see no reason not to create mountains of data if it's really that interesting that we have a team of 12 editors working on it. Saying that some of the existent article is so highly biased as to be useless seems to be, in effect saying, that some scholars are worthless to the project. I will never believe that. Each editor involved here has contributed greatly to the project. Each one. Not just some. There is a way, no matter how difficult it might be to perceive it today, for all scholars to live together. The easy way is to find reasons to exclude some. The hard way is to find ways to co-exist. What I've seen so far is normal scholarly debate on sources. The fights at soc.genealogy.medieval can get much more aggressive than anything I've seen here. And yet we're all still alive. Wjhonson ( talk) 22:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 22:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC), note User:Thatcher is the clerk, not me, I'm just opening for him. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG: for three days I have been raising questions about the accuracy of the article Viam agnoscere veritatis that you created. Since then you have continued to edit the article, and I have heard no response from you nor received any acknowledgement of my concerns. This morning I awoke to find that you had once again reverted Franco-Mongol alliance to your prefered version. Your action ignores the consensus at Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance, suggests that your edits have priority in the article, and overwrites recent work by good faith editors. Moreover your prefered version includes pages of disputed material rejected by the other editors. My concerns about Viam agnoscere veritatis are but one small part of this. PHG, it is time to engage with the other participants in the Franco-Mongol discussions or withdraw from this area completely. Aramgar ( talk) 13:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I have blocked you for edit warring at Franco-Mongol alliance. I warned you about this. The two votes you added to the poll would be vote stacking--the talk history clearly shows the two people did not participate and you offerred no proof thereof when I asked it. The poll had a consensus for the short version; and you more than double the size to almost 200k in one edit, way beyond normal article length. This diff show you are openly not acknowledgeing other editors' opinions. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, as I see, you put Image:DejimaAstronomy.jpg on commons. Do you have additional information about it? Because on de.WP it was claimed that it depicts Philipp Franz von Siebold and his family, and I don't know how to verify this. -- 790 ( talk) 10:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I see that you want to list certain of our conversations in mediation, in the ArbCom case. This is generally considered bad form, but I wanted to suggest a solution. Even though all communications in mediation are supposed to be privileged, I would be willing to waive this right and allow the mediation discussion to be public, if both you and our mediator agree. However, this would also mean that I would be able to provide diffs of things that you had said in mediation, where I felt that you had said things that were misleading (such as about a certain passage in Latin). It's up to you though. My first reaction is to avoid any mention of what happened in mediation. But, if you want to open things up (and Tariq is okay on it), then we can lay it out on the table for everyone to see. Let me know what you think, -- El on ka 18:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Your evidence includes the statement: There is currently a discussion with Durova (another of Elonka's friends?) about handdrawings from picture of ancient artefacts. References to my policy objections regarding another Wikimedia website are, at best, premature. Your suggestion that I act upon partisanship rather than policy is inappropriate. I do not manufacture imaginary objections to please Elonka.
Please weigh the possibility that I may know what I'm talking about. I have 15 featured pictures at Commons and I operate a restoration workshop for vintage images. An impartial administrator took my concerns seriously enough to block you for three days there, which is a strong indication that those 54 uploads of yours probably are policy violations and not business as usual by Commons norms. You could pursue the reasonable solution of transwiki that would let you continue to use all of these sketches at Wikipedia legitimately.
Since part of the arbitration case against you concerns the legitimacy of your use of sources, it is to your advantage to take a conservative approach. Instead you have refused to cooperate and named me in your formal evidence in a way that invites rebuttal, and I have a rebuttal drafted. I would very much prefer if you withdrew the reference to me from your statement, so that there isn't any need to post what I've written. I will wait one day. Durova Charge! 22:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi PHG. Sorry about the delay - the phone rang before I got to post on the talk page. :) Regarding the Latin of the texts, there are several Wikipedians who read Latin, so perhaps you could find one you trust to confirm the letters' contents for you. Kafka Liz ( talk) 14:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Your article Aïbeg and Serkis seems to be yet another coatrack for your Franco-Mongol enthusiasms. Aïbeg and Serkis are historical figures associated with Franco-Mongol diplomacy, certainly. The problem rests in the repetition of these problematic statements:
Similar statements have been removed from Franco-Mongol alliance and Viam agnoscere veritatis, and the secondary sources to which you refer have been questioned by other users ( Talk:Viam_agnoscere_veritatis#1248_letter). Furthermore, the Latin of the letter in question says nothing at all about an alliance ( Talk:Viam_agnoscere_veritatis#22_November_1248:_Viam_cognoscere_veritatis). If what Grousset and Runciman have to say about the letter is demonstrably untrue, we should cease to invoke them on this issue. Aramgar ( talk) 17:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
FYI, I have filed a motion at the Arbitration case, that you should cease creating articles in Franco-Mongol related topics while the case is open. If you would like to participate at the thread, the link is here. The general consensus is that you should stop voluntarily, so that a formal motion does not need to proceed. Will you agree to this, to voluntarily avoid creating any further articles in this topic area for awhile? Thanks, El on ka 01:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this is the best solution. Nobody should ever feel forced to stop editing wikipedia unless they are a blatant vandal. If content and accuracy is questionable it should be discussed rationally and an effort to produce an article or series of articles which people can basically agree on. I don't know all the details but it looks like the situation has been blown out of proportion but I urge you to try to remain calm and remember that there are editors who have seen a lot of good work from you in the past of which you should remain proud of, Just hang in there ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC).
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Hi Tariq. I just notified Elonka that I gladly agree to her proposal to open up the content of the Mediation about the Franco-Mongol alliance. Best regards. PHG ( talk) 15:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that Arbitration can be a difficult thing, but please say your piece there instead of attacking Elonka across a number of talk pages. Spend some time finding diffs that support the accusations you're making and present those in the arbitration case. Shell babelfish 08:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
What she got back to me about tallies with what you found. Thanks! Ealdgyth | Talk 16:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 02:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi PHG. I am aware of how she uses the phrase. My use of it was merely a sly reference to the subtitle of her 1979 article. My apologies if this was unclear. On a side note, I am touched by your confidence in my dedication to pursuing you. :) Kafka Liz ( talk) 14:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello PHG ! You did a Great Work concerning the Battle of Baghdad and the franco-mongols alliance ! Dont considerate the bad reactions of these Catholics from Poland who dont have a scholar background and know nothing about the real history of the Buddhist Hulagu. Dr. Dominique Boubouleix, Dr. EPHE in Sorbonne, Dr. Litt. CIU, Chancellor of the CIU London. My page : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Boubouleix PS forget Please my poor english which sounds bad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Boubouleix ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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Please respond to Brad's request for information in a separate section. Interweaving comments in Elonka's section, especially when you are splitting one comment by her into several, so that they are not signed, is confusing. Do not edit another party's evidence; use your own section. I tried once to fix this but you either did not notice or ignored me so now fix it yourself. For long, detailed analysis you may wish to instead add a section to the evidence page and link to it from the workshop. Thatcher 19:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Geir (Gehrhardt).
Only the Buddhist material of the article has been deleted massively, without any explanation.
Urgently come to it's talkpage, kindly, so as to prevent the whole page being emptied. Thank you, you will find my entry there.
Geir Smith ( talk) 09:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello PGH,
I saw your contributions on Buddhism, and thank you for it all. I'm French from the last forty last years of living here, and am shocked at the mob-lynching going on at Franco-Mongol Alliance's Arbit. page. I talked about it at the Buddhist forum where the Dalai Lama has his followers at Phayul.com and said that a scholar being dragged through the mud by the people on the street was really shocking. I saw that you lack support: and at that forum there are many scholars reading so I hope to bring you support shortly. I also made a straw vote with you and Sponsianus's votes and we came up to a five majority. I thus hope to attract many more than this. I'm sending this to several places now as this letter will reveal the extent of the problem by it's explicitness and be useful, I think.
I have also written a lengthy explaining letter to the Buddhist French forum of Buddhaline that is close to my own lineage of Buddhism Ngor, the main sect of Sakya, as you must know what is, what with your being a well-read person on Buddhism, as I'm sure you are. The article that was the reason for my removing from Wiki and the deleting of all its Buddhist material is now up and running and can be consulted for all purposes at http://geirsmith.org/ShambhalaBaghdad1.html Please feel free to contact me at geir.smith@yahoo.fr I'll be ready to make the problem of underrepresentation of Buddhist voices on the Arbitration page be made known on all Buddhist forums, if this seems interesting to you, and this we can talk about between us if you kindly contact me.
Geir Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.138.39.105 ( talk) 18:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
A quick comment, please read and digest.
At Arbitration, all conduct is taken into account. That includes noting that you are spamming a hostile note against another user to multiple people's talk pages, for example, as you have done today.
Whether right or whether wrong, your conduct is what is at consideration at RFAR. Whatever the other issues may be, this is clearly within the bounds of what we would consider " disruptive conduct". This is not a view on the content or the issue, but purely that it is not okay, whoever does it and for whatever reason they do it. I suggest cordially, you take advice and desist, now and permanently, from it.
Written as a personal note.
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I'm not sure who is making up what anymore. In fact I'm pretty much convinced you are perpetrating an elaborate hoax, so I'm not going to retract anything, I think I'll just ignore the whole thing from now on. Adam Bishop ( talk) 13:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
PHG, your comment here to Aramgar was out of line, a violation of Wikipedia's policy on "No personal attacks", where you implied that his edits are destructive. [29] That is absolutely not the case -- Aramgar is one of the more constructive editors that we have in this topic area, and his ability to translate medieval Latin is extremely valuable. That you would say anything to try and antagonize him off the project is appalling to me. Please try to adopt a better standard of behavior. -- El on ka 20:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
PHG, regarding this image that you uploaded it in November, I see that you neglected to indicate where that you got it from. Could you please let me know the source? I would like to verify the title. According to my records, Baldwin did not "cede the Temple of Solomon" to the Templars. Instead, he allowed them to setup their quarters in part of his royal palace, including the Al Aqsa Mosque, which the Crusaders referred to as the Temple of Solomon since it was built atop the ruins. But it wasn't the actual Temple. -- El on ka 06:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hi FayssalF. I would like to share with you some updates about Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision. It has just been made clear that a large part of the accusations made against me were based on a false claim being made by Elonka and Aramgar about a name "Viam agnoscere veritatis" being used for a multiplicity of Papal bulls Talk:Viam agnoscere veritatis#Untangling (arbitrary section break). Both were making a false claim, intentionally of not, and have been using this claim to motivate a multiplicity of editors to make depositions against me ( here, here and the numerous "Viam agnoscere depositions of the Workshop page such as [31]). It's clear that the discussion heated up (on both sides) but it turns out I was right to dispute their misrepresentation of historical facts. I challenge judgements which are based on such false evidence and manipulation. Another recent case of Elonka obviously misrepresenting sources has been exposed here Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance#Introduction. All my contributions are properly referenced from published sources, and if sometimes we can have differences in interpretation, nobody has been able to identify a single case of fabrication of sources or whatever (as demonstrated in User:Ealdgyth/Crusades quotes testbed, embedded responses [32]). I am asking you to think twice before believing the accusations of such editors. Elonka is well known for throwing endless accusation at someone and spinning the truth in order to get support [33]. Please view Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision for a update of these issues. Regards PHG ( talk) 16:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
This Arbitration case is closed and the final decision has been published at the link above. PHG ( talk · contribs) is prohibited from editing articles relating to medieval or ancient history for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion. PHG is reminded that in contributing to Wikipedia (including his talkpage contributions, contributions in other subject-matter areas, and contributions after the one-year editing restriction has expired), it is important that all sourced edits must fairly and accurately reflect the content of the cited work taken as a whole. PHG is also reminded that Wikipedia is a collaborative project and it is essential that all editors work towards compromise and a neutral point of view in a good-faith fashion. When one editor finds themselves at odds with most other editors on a topic, it can be disruptive to continue repeating the same argument. After suggestions have been properly considered and debated, and possible options considered, if a consensus is clear, the collegial and cooperative thing to do is to acknowledge the consensus, and move on to other debates.
PHG is encouraged to continue contributing to Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects in other ways, including by suggesting topics for articles, making well-sourced suggestions on talkpages, and continuing to contribute free-content images to Wikimedia Commons.
For the Arbitration committee, Thatcher 01:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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user:PHG is under a restriction that he "is prohibited from editing articles relating to medieval or ancient history for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion". This restriction became active on the morning of 14 March, which PHG surely knew (being a close follower of the case). It was brought in the context of articles that covered a wide range of historical topics, sevarl of which focussed on the core dispute area of Franco-Mongol alliance and other related history.
PHG - this breaches several points of your ruling. It is in breach of Remedy 1 (do not edit topics related to medieval history), in breach of Remedy 1 again (permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion), I have not evaluated Remedy 2 (must fairly and accurately reflect the content of the cited work taken as a whole) but note others have found this not complied with in the past, and hope that you will not seek to breach Remedy 4 (it can be disruptive to continue repeating the same argument. After suggestions have been properly considered and debated, and possible options considered, if a consensus is clear, the collegial and cooperative thing to do is to acknowledge the consensus, and move on).
As a result of your multiple breaches of remedy 1, I have blocked you for 48 hours, and noted this at the Arbitration page.
FT2 ( Talk | email) 20:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
PHG, whether you agree or not, you are under remedies and restrictions which will affect your permitted editing. You are under these because as a community and committee the consensus is that your editing has led to it. You may agree, or disagree, and that's fine. But you may not breach them, even if you disagree.
Last, Remedy 4 is important too ("It can be disruptive to continue repeating the same argument. After suggestions have been properly considered and debated, and possible options considered, if a consensus is clear, the collegial and cooperative thing to do is to acknowledge the consensus, and move on".)
FT2 ( Talk | email) 12:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a courtesy notification to alert you that I have filed a request to amend the above-linked case. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Request to amend prior case: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance for more details. Daniel ( talk) 10:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Since you are still violating ArbCom sanctions, I have requested another block. You can see my report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:PHG. -- El on ka 23:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Greco-Bactrian Kingdom. 82.20.19.200 ( talk) 12:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
As you are fully aware, an Arbitration ruling at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance, you are prohibited from creating or editing Wikipedia articles related to medieval history for a period of one year:
PHG ( talk · contribs) is prohibited from editing articles relating to medieval or ancient history for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion.
Your creation of France-Japan relations (19th century) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), now deleted, is a violation of this ruling. Further to the material at WP:AE#User:PHG, I have blocked your account for 60 hours, and annotated the case's log of blocks accordingly.
PHG, you are simply not permitted to edit articles related to medieval history—that is a simple fact. It is imperative that you refrain from doing so, and similarly from creating such articles: the end result, as you have discovered several times now, will be a withdrawal of your editing privileges as a response. Please do not try other's patience again on this matter. AGK § 19:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
This is ridiculous! What has France-Japan relations (19th century) to do with Medieval History?? The 19th century has nothing to do with Medieval History as far as I know! Even the background material mentionned in the article only starts in 1545, with the first contacts between Japan and the West, which is not Medieval but Renaissance (the Medieval period typically end in 1492). Please revert this delete immediately, cancel the block and clear the block log, as this is totally unfair and against the Arbcom ruling. Thank you. PHG ( talk) 20:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Per Honor et Gloria ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Totally inadequate block. I am restricted from editing Ancient History or Medieval History article, but France-Japan relations (19th century) has nothing to do with that!! Since when is 19th century Medieval history?? Please cancel immediately this unfair block, reinstate the deleted article, and clear the block log from this totally unwarranted action. PHG ( talk) 20:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Decline reason:
See the section "Block review" below. — Sandstein ( talk) 08:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
PHG, without comment as to the merits of this block, I'd also like to see things work out. As I stated at arbitration, for instance, you're a talented amateur photographer with highly encyclopedic tastes. Maybe it's hard to trust Elonka after all that's passed between you (or even hard to trust me); would you be willing to seek formal mentorship with an impartial Wikipedian? I'm mentoring an editor who's been through arbitration under a completely unrelated case and he often bounces ideas off me in advance of posting--it's a way to help keep things productive and on track. He's not perfect and neither am I, but it helps. And when he has a bad idea (occasionally we all have bad ideas) he knows I don't have any other agenda when I tell him so. If this is an idea that interests you, I'll start a noticeboard query and see who responds. You'd choose whoever you think is the best match. No obligations, just a positive suggestion that might help move things forward. What do you think of it? Durova Charge! 21:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
How long is this going to go on? Both sides are interpreting the decision narrowly. PHG is going to go on creating and editing articles that are technically not covered by it, and those opposed to him will jump on any reason, no matter how tiny, to block him, until he is blocked for good. Is that the goal here? Or is everyone trying to make him so frustrated that he leaves on his own? Adam Bishop ( talk) 23:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks. My apologies to all, especially PHG, for the delay in getting back: I'd went offline before seeing Sandstein's message on my talk page, essentially missing this thread. I will firstly state that the specific boundaries of the ArbCom ruling—"medieval" or "ancient" history articles—which is probably why I've had some prodding as to why this block was made. My primary platform was thus: PHG has been shown to duck under the ruling, by editing in history-related areas, whilst simultaneously gaming by editing in the renaissance period—technically, just after the medieval time frame. The purpose of the ArbCom ruling was to send out a clear message to PHG: your approach to editing needs to change. PHG has edited in completely the opposite direction of this: a quick look at the WP:AE thread shows rehashing of expired disputes, which is serving no purpose but to disrupt the improvement of articles. My block was a counter-disruption measure (see the blocking policy), and I truly hope PHG heeds that message. Hopefully this clears up some of the confusion. |
(un-dent) *sigh* No PHG, the report at the AE noticeboard contained more than just the single block reason you're focusing on; it would be incredibly pointless for someone to unblock and reblock you :( (see, this is where I start to get worn out again). And again (the fact that I have to keep saying again is not any fun and indicative of the fact that we're covering the same ground), more than one editor feels that you were stretching the limits of the history related restriction and more than one editor feels you were not; since that is the case and I'm not an expert, I'm not comfortable with simply over-turning another admin's deletion (in fact, I'm not a big fan of undoing other admins actions at all without community discussion), which is why I suggested DRV - I would even be happy to post the report there for you if you'd outline what you would like to say. You can post it here, email me or even hit me up over instant messenger if that's more convenient -- I think though, it at least deserves some discussion outside of the small group of people who've been so wound up in all these goings on.
I know you feel that your talk page edits aren't against consensus, but honestly, one of the things you're bringing up again has had 8 threads and spanned two different talk pages. I do want to clarify though that I don't think all of your talk page contributions are problematic and I've actually added things to articles you brought up on talk since your restrictions started, but I do think you tend to be very repetitive when you differ in opinion and you seem to be unable to let things drop when you disagree.
If we really have to go over the "recreation" again, I suppose I can point this out again. The prevailing notion at MfD was that you don't get to keep your preferred version in article space; this notion is based on user space policy. Re-creating the page to link directly to the historical version that is your preferred version does precisely the same thing in the end. It's simply disingenuous to insist you were in the right in causing the same problem again immediately after the MfD closed (there's again, again several times :( ).
I think I could do with a cup of tea, so please understand if there's something I don't reply to right away. Thanks :) Shell babelfish 08:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
"The France-Japan relations (19th century) article was abusively deleted by Administrator AGK on the ground that it was related to " Medieval history", an area which the creator User:PHG is currently restricted from editing. However, the 19th century has nothing to do with Medieval History, neither does backgroung material mentionning the second half of the 16th century as the beginning of Japan-Western relations (For most historians the "Medieval" period typically end with the 15th century, or the 1492 discovery of the New World). It is requested that the article be immediately reinstated, so that the author ( User:PHG) can continue his legitimate work on it. The creation of this article was also used as a justification to block User:PHG for 60 hours, a decision which is currently highly contested by numerous users on User talk:PHG. This seems to be part of a pattern of harassment following PHG's Arbcom restrictions. Besides his restrictions from editing Ancient History and Medieval History articles, PHG was actually encouraged by the Arbcom commity to contribute in other areas, an example of which is France-Japan relations (19th century). Please reinstate the last version of this article. Regards. PHG ( talk) 09:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict with Elonka and Shell above) After reviewing the unblock request, Elonka's comment on my talk page and AGK's reply above, I cannot agree with the block based on most of the reasons that are currently given for it:
Accordingly, I suggest that the blocking administrator reduce the block to a time span that is appropriate for sanctioning PHG's recreation of deleted content, or lift the block if he agrees not to do this again. So as not to wheel-war, I won't do it unilaterally. (As a note to PHG, the block log cannot be edited, and if you want to restore the article, you need to ask at WP:DRV if the deleting administrator won't do it.) Sandstein ( talk) 08:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
As someone not involved with the original content dispute or the Arbitration, it is clear to me that PHG has been improperly harried, and was blocked for behavior that he was permitted to continue under the ArbComm decision. If it is marginal, as has been asserted above, then the appropriate remedy would be a credible warning and discussion, clarifying the boundaries. The block was improper on its face, and should be lifted, and if there are marginal behaviors, as may be the case, they should be specifically addressed to tighten the limitations or otherwise clarify what is permitted and what is not. For PHG to claim that a block is outrageous, on his Talk page, is not a sanctionable offense at all, and I, frankly, tend to agree with him. Behind all this, I'm aware that this editor has what might be called social problems. We should help resolve those problems, not take sides. It is not just him.-- Abd ( talk) 18:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
There's been extensive discussion on this topic, and I think that's healthy: it's sending a clear signal, that behavioural issues from PHG will be scrutinised deeply; also, it just goes to show that I can't make abusive blocks! :) However, I do not think this block was unwarranted. Granted, the actual block summary—that PHG was blocked for editing medieval history pages—was technically not correct. However, it has been shown that PHG is continuing to duck under the specific boundaries of the remedy.
I am concerned that PHG will continue to ignore the general message of the restriction remedy—that he needs to change his attitude to editing. I cannot stress this enough, PHG: you need to radically overhaul your editing habits. Please cease re-hashing disputes, tenacious contributions, etc. Your behaviour really needs to change, and I very much hope it does: you've made some good history contributions, but it's your attitude whilst editing that is of concern.
I am reducing this block to 20-hours. To that end, I have unblocked your account; although blocks are not penal, I find the description that I am unblocking on " time served" to be most informative. Please use your second chance well, PHG. AGK § 20:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
This comment at my talk page struck me as surprisingly friendly and civil. You're heading along the right paths—I hope you keep it up, PHG. BTW, I've restored the article. Kind regards, Anthøny 22:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I just get a bit bothered when I see editors ganging up to shut out legitimate edits by other users, but I didn't seem to get much support at the page in question so your barnstar is much appreciated :) Gatoclass ( talk) 13:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
You have two direction in which you can go, and you probably cannot go in both directions. You can continue to contribute to articles of interest to you, subject to scrupulous and discussed adherence to the terms of your ArbComm restrictions, or you can struggle for justice, personal justice, and, as well, general justice. While the choice is yours, the timing of the latter may be unfortunate. If you try to do both, the former situation will vastly complicate the latter, and vice-versa.
Please see my edit to another AN/AE case for DreamGuy, which refers to you. If you are interested in working for a saner community, please watch my notices page, User:Abd/Notices. At this point, because of your restrictions, mostly passive involvement, only, would be advisable. Unless you are willing to immolate yourself for "the cause," a path I do not recommend, at least not at this time. I suggest you conduct yourself like a total saint. If someone attacks you, turn the other cheek. Do not respond, don't even complain. Let others defend you, if they will, and if they don't, understand that the time is then not ripe for you to find justice. And, also note, if it happens that you are wrong, you'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble. And wait and watch. If you do, your restrictions will be lifted, and you will have some degree of increased freedom. The situation which has afflicted you is common on Wikipedia, in fact, and it is going to take patient work to address it. It may take years of patient work. The immediate situations distract us from this, because the problem is not this jerk or that jerk, the problem is the system, a system which actually encourages, in spite of formal policies, jerkiness.
The problem is not the policies. The problem is what I just called the "system," which means the real operating structure, mostly informally set up, not essential Wikipedia and, in fact, often operating contrary to policy, but because it is not explicit and there is no structure restraining it, providing a means for true, informed, community consensus to arise, local participation bias allows resentments and other poison to accumulate. Countless users, in your situation, have either left in disgust or been banned. So, first of all, understand that you are not alone. And, second, understand that to build the real project is going to meet, and is already meeting, severe opposition, from an ancient enemy, whose favorite device is inducing us to fight with each other, to hate each other, to have contempt for each other. All of us, when we fall into these traps, are serving that ancient enemy. This enemy does not want true NPOV knowledge to be generally available. Increasingly, the specific battles to prevent this are being won by the people of truth (NPOV *is* truth, truth is not a POV, rather it is closer to the *sum* of POVs), but the enemy has retreated to inhibiting the completion of the project and the creation of devices to make it truly accessible. And this is a huge issue, how to proceed. My tactic is to create the institutions which can plan and guide our activities toward this, I will be increasingly less involved with content, including the "content" of the actual policies and practices. Metastructure. My outside work is developing systems that communities can use to communicate, cooperate, and coordinate, to find consensus and act on it, efficiently.
I just happened upon your situation though the MfD. You do understand that nothing I've said condones incivility on your part, nor do I approve of even mild misrepresentation of sources. However, I also know that those who are earnestly working for the project can easily fall into both errors, and reprimand and warning should generally be enough. The exercise of avoiding even the smallest incivility, such as is easy when complaining, may help you in the future to avoid major lapses.
I can't comment on the whole of your edit history, but certainly any admin who can't tell the difference between Medieval History and the 19th century and blocks you over it ought to have their admin status revoked immediately (as should anyone rationalizing it away instead of telling the admin he was ought of line). There's a point when they aren't even pretending to follow policies and just go around and make whatever actions they want. Admin status is sold to the general Wikipedia public as if it were some janitor-type service where anyone should be able to be trusted with it, yet there's a lot of them treating it as if it gave them the right to act like a sheriff in the wild west. DreamGuy ( talk) 21:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
See [ [39]], please shorten your statement to within the 500 word guideline. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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You are invited to comment on this discussion. Jehochman Talk 14:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hello.
I have removed the discussion and refactored your statement of WP:RFAR as it was much longer than permitted (500 words). I believe I've left the substance of your arguments intact; but feel free to correct it if I've made errors.
Do not make your statement any longer. It is currently already slightly over the limit, and you have been previously warned about its length. — Coren (talk) for the Arbitration Committee 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi FayssalF. You seem to be arguing on Arbcom for my User Subpages to be included in my restrictions from editing Ancient History or Medieval History articles. Please note that I manage vast quantities of images from museums around the world (such as User:PHG/Metropolitan Museum of Art), which indeed could be interpretated as "related to ancient history". I have however been "encouraged" by the commity to keep contributing such images, as well as material for Talk page discussions and suggestions, and User Subpages are an essential means of achieving this. Could you kindly reconsider? Regards; PHG ( talk) 17:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PHG, you need to insert a real citation from the "Metropolitan notice". The casket seems to really exist according to some papers [40] [41] but I can't find any photography of the object except your photo. Your credibility on photography is challenged by Durova and maybe she is right unless you don't provide "exact source" for this picture.
P.S, you can't edit the article per your probation under Arbicom, so just give your reference here. -- Appletrees ( talk) 13:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thumb|Casket notice at the MET I am delighted to help. Please find hereafter the Metropolitan Museum of Art notice to the casket in the article. You will notice that the environment of the two photographs is different, but that's because the casket had been removed to a separate exhibition (in another room) when I visited. You will also notice however that there is only 4 minutes between the two photographs (time to move from one room to the other). Hope you like it. PS: I uploaded under Fair Use, hope this will do. Please help if there's a better solution. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 19:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I had the same problem with the text but I held down ctrl and scrolled the mouse (which makes the text bigger in most browsers) until I could finally read the thing; not sure if you know about that trick, so I thought I'd pass it along. I can't imagine why they would have archived their newletters in such an unreadable format. Shell babelfish 17:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
PHG, I have read the papal bull issue carefully, so I have the background, but I am wondering about it. It seems that you (of course mistakenly) first posted text from Dei patris immensa (1245-03-05) as if it were from Viam agnoscere veritatis (1248). My questions are: (1) Did the original source known as the "German dissertation" give any name for the 1245 letter it quoted? (2) What actually led you to believe the 1245 letter was the 1248 letter? (3) Can you understand that, since you and perhaps other editors confused the two letters, someone might jump to the conclusion that the two names authoritatively given to the two letters might also be confused? That's really the whole knee-jerk reason for the controversial disambiguation right now. If you are able to understand the concerns that other editors might have, it might lead them to see your concern that neither 1245 letter has never (apparently) been authoritatively named Viam agnoscere veritatis like the 1248 letter. It appears clear that you have no other evidence for their proposition than your own error and any documentation that might have led you to it, and they have not presented any other evidence for it, so there may be hope yet. Let me know here please.
I definitely understand the messes that poor communication about disambiguation can get you into. One day "moneybomb" redirected from here to here; compare that article to the current moneybomb article. Note two different redirection methods between these two edits.
I understand the ArbCom remedies, but I believe that there is no problem with you answering, as this is your talk page and there is no risk of any tendentiousness resulting from your answer to me. Thank you. John J. Bulten ( talk) 21:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello PHG.
It would appear that you are again introducing deliberately false or inaccurate information into articles despite repeated admonitions (and a topic ban from the Arbitration Committee).
This is extremely destructive to the encyclopedia, and appears to be a recurrent pattern of behavior, so I have blocked you until, at the least, arrangements can be made to find a mentor for you that will be able to guide your editing back to a level that is acceptable to the community. Patience is wearing very thin about your behavior, and I would recommend you take (and don't squander) this last olive branch seriously. — Coren (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw the whole thing here. PHG made a simple error about this medal. Because PHG had been pressured by an AFD made only 7 hours after article creation, he (and I and others) decided to scramble for sources which we believed would prove notability. Among them was a Japanese source stating Polak had won a "Chevalier" medal. It is a natural mistake for PHG to suppose that the intended medal was the Légion d'honneur, which has a "Chevalier" class. When others questioned this like Jehochman (also the AFD nominator, also in the recent ArbCom case which got PHG restricted), PHG very rapidly acknowledged the correct citation, the lesser Ordre national du Mérite. Using an official French source, he also noted that after obtaining the "Chevalier" class Polak received the next class, "Officier". He did this very graciously, I think. User:Appletrees has also protested the block at that link.
I have not yet reviewed the claims that PHG's new second source for the Chevalier medal has been impeached by another "official" source, but as it stands there's certainly enough to prove good faith in the initial medal confusion and the prompt correction. If another correction is necessary I'm sure PHG is up to it. The difficulty sourcing arises not from bad faith or POV pushing but the pressure PHG has faced from having his every step community-peer-reviewed in what is probably not his native language. Simple errors are to be expected.
Also, PHG is not under a topic ban pertaining to this topic (unless you subscribe to the extremist class that has argued that since Polak occasionally mentions the 16th century, he is related to medieval history which presumably extends into the 16th century-- that argument was rejected by consensus). Nor has PHG deliberately inserted false or misleading information, as I demonstrate. In fact, PHG has specifically requested remedy from ArbCom for people making false statements about his topic ban and for charging him with deliberate bad behavior.
By the way, I was the editor who mistakenly inserted into the article about M. Christian P. Polak, the French aeroscience businessman, one sentence that described instead M. Christian C. Polak, the French energy businessman. I hope you understand. I did not advocate for its retention when Slp1 made me swiftly aware of its doubtfulness, and I applauded Slp1 for telling me once the facts and my error were clear. Do I get indef block too?
I trust you too, like PHG and I, are able to admit error on occasion. John J. Bulten ( talk) 23:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Dear all, thank you for your kind support on this. I'm just waking up (Paris time). I do read and write Japanese quite fluently (I spent quite a few years there), and I basically never use a translation tool such as Google for Japanese. Unfortunately, I am not an expert of the Japanese names for French medals though. When I saw the information I did think that 国家功労賞 was Japanese for "Legion d'honneur". I asked a Japanese national (who speaks fluent French), who could not give me the French name for 国家功労賞 either. The Japanese site used for the source is an online publishing house [42], which should be fair enough as a source. A few hours later and some Googling, I realized 国家功労賞 was Ordre National du Merite. I was wrong with the denomination of the medal, so I corrected it right away ("Ahhh, 国家功労賞 seems to be Ordre national du Mérite. シュバリエ is Chevalier (the first rank), オフィシエ is Officier (Officer, the second rank). Would somebody have access to the list of recipients of the Ordre national du Mérite? PHG (talk) 20:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)" [43]). By the way, the information from the Japanese site was confirmed by French official sites [44]. Sorry for the mistake, but sometimes Japanese/French/English translations can be tricky, although I think I would rank as quite good at it. Best regards to all. PHG ( talk) 04:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest you have a close look at the nonfree image use restrictions, as you are widely violating them. For example, it is not acceptable to use a DVD cover in a general article about a war, just because the movie also happens to be about the war, as you did in Boshin War, especially when the article is already stuffed full of free imagery. Nonfree images are not allowed when they are nonessential or replaceable by a free image. Similarly, it is never acceptable to use nonfree images in non-article space, such as article or user talk pages, as you did with Image:METCasketNotice.JPG. Nor, generally, would images like that ever be acceptable at all, since the image is only of text, and the text can simply be cited as a source rather than depicted. Having the photo is certainly not critical to understanding, another requirement. If you wish to call attention to a nonfree image on a discussion page or link to it, you may do so by placing a colon (:) before the image's title, as I have done in this message. This will cause a wikilink to the image to appear rather than the image itself; this practice is acceptable. Accordingly, I have orphaned the above-mentioned casket inscription, as well as Image:GoryokakuVideo.jpg, and tagged them accordingly for deletion. Please carefully review the nonfree content policies before uploading any more nonfree images. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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You have been blocked 1 week for arbcom restriction violations and are strongly encouraged to accept a mentor. See [45]. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I was away for business for a few days, and now find that I am again being blocked. The reasons given are again quite slim [46]:
This essentially represents proper editorial work and discussions. I am asking for this 1 week block to be removed as the reasons given fail to justify such a penalty. Best regards to all. PHG ( talk) 18:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Per Honor et Gloria ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Reasons given do not justify 1 week block (see my preceding post).
Decline reason:
Block is within the parameters set by the Franco-Mongol alliance ArbCom decision. PHG needs to listen to community input from this talk page and on WP:AE, and take responsibility for his actions. Accepting a mentor has been highly recommended by virtually everyone commenting on this situation. Dreadstar † 20:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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I too am opposed to an unblock. However, if for some reason PHG is unblocked and is assigned a mentor (assuming that he accepts one), I would request that a further restriction be placed on PHG that he not be allowed to create any new articles until the old ones are cleaned up.
Since as early as 2004, PHG has been creating new articles at a rapid rate. Now, it is true that in many cases the articles have naturally worked their way into the Wikipedia community review process and already received attention and editing from other editors to further strengthen them. However, many other of PHG's articles appear to have been created in infrequently-visited areas of Wikipedia, and have not received any other substantial attention. Based on my own spot-checking, a number of those articles have errors and bias, and some have no sources whatsoever. This problem has been compounded by the way that PHG has "reinforced" many of the articles by linking to them from other established articles, putting in biased information, but again with no sources. PHG has also often inserted maps (created by PHG) into the articles. Many of these maps have drawn criticism for bias ( example), and again, I would like to see previous creations reviewed, before PHG be allowed to continue with creation of new maps.
On the subject of the Franco-Mongol alliance, we have compiled a List of articles affected by PHG, but it is taking several editor months of time to handle cleanup. Many of us have other things that we would rather be doing on Wikipedia, than spending hours cleaning up after PHG. Better, would be if PHG could go back and clean up his own work.
To reduce the workload on other editors, I would like to see every single one of PHG's articles revisited. If the article doesn't have sources, PHG should be required to list his sources on that article's talkpage. Every single one of his unreviewed articles should also get at least a spotcheck review by an uninvolved editor who has access to at least one of the sources, to verify that the article accurately reflects what is in those sources. Or at a very minimum, a template such as {{ citecheck}} or {{ unref}} should be placed on each of these articles, with a note on the talkpage which links to the ArbCom case and explains the need for review.
After PHG and his mentor have assisted with cleanup of all of his previous work, then and only then should he be allowed to continue with creation of new articles. -- El on ka 00:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I made the following motion and wanted to let you know in case that you do not have the page on your watchlist. The Committee is voting on it and if it passes then it will be announced on your talk page. FloNight ♥♥♥ 23:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone kindly provide a link to where this motion has been introduced? Thanks PHG ( talk) 19:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi FloNight. Please note that I am fluent in French (native), and near-fluent in Japanese, and many topics I write on have a lot of sources in these two languages. I don't think it is reasonable for a universal encyclopedia to only accept English-language sources, when research in other languages can be so rich, and when there are so many contributors around who can check other languages (such as French and Japanese) easily. Just look at an article such as Arcadio Huang, the Chinese librarian of Louis XIV, or France-Japan relations (19th century), in which it is most appropriate to mix sources from various languages. Only accepting English sources on Wikipedia sounds like an act of cultural xenophobia, and is actually very damaging to Wikipedia's ambition to be a universal tool and "the sum of all knowledge". Just a personal opinion. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 19:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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-- Bobet 11:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Cirt ( talk) 18:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi PHG, I'm just dropping you a note to let you know I've filed an RFCU on you here. Kafka Liz ( talk) 15:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
It's crazy I now have to defend myself for edits I never even made. Could anybody actually look at the nature of the reference that has been repeatedly added by the
Bayonne
[56] anon contributor
User:86.207.128.215?:
"* Bernard, Hervé. L'ingénieur général du Génie maritime Louis, Emile Bertin (1840-1924) créateur de la marine militaire du Japon à l'époque de Meiji Tenno (en quadrichromie 84 pages, autoédition 2007, imprimerie Biarritz) (in French)."
This is self-published material ("autoédition") printed by a printer in
Biarritz (a city, guess what... near
Bayonne, where the IP address is located). This is basically self-promotion by someone from southern France (maybe Hervé Bernard himself, or a relative or a local fan). Finally, I really don't think it is credible to claim that someone contributing in Paris could have at the same minute a
Wanadoo IP adress in Bayonne, a small provincial city 500 miles away.
Please note that
User:86.207.128.215 has also been adding similar references on the French Wikipedia, under the same IP address
[57]. He also made similar edits last year to Japan-related articles under the IP address
User:86.207.198.49
[58], with again several edits regarding local celebrities in
Biarritz. Cheers
PHG (
talk)
14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Thatcher has kindly concluded [60] that "those edits do not appear to have been made from PHG's usual method of connecting to the internet, and [he] can probably rule out that he used the simple strategy of resetting his modem in between edits." Let me point out that it also seems impossible to reset a computer from my PHG IP to the anon IP back and forth several times: from the little I know several resets would have to either give identical or randomly different IP adresses [61]. Thatcher said however that he "can not rule out the possibility that these edits were made by some unknown technical means, or were coordinated with a friend.". I can only say that "unknown technical means" is not a possibility for me, as I'm not an Internet maverick. And I don't think I would resort to such extraordinary means to just insert three references about a self-published historian from Biarritz [62]. As for the "friend" option, well, no, I just don't know about User:86.207.128.215. Finally, let me remind that I usually operate from an ISP located in Paris, whereas User:86.207.128.215 operates at the same time from an ISP located in Bayonne [63], a small city on the frontier with Spain, 500 miles away, interestingly the same urban area from where the self-published historian in question (a certain Hervé Bernard) happens to be publishing his work (in Biarritz) [64]. PHG ( talk) 01:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Please note that I will be away for the next two-three days without means of connecting to the Internet. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 01:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
If anybody is still interested, I was cruising at 25,000 feet onboard a long-distance flight when User:86.207.128.215 made his edits on the French Wikipedia on April 19th [65]. I have a boarding pass and a Customs stamp available should a Sysop wish to investigate, and my current IP address would also confirm my current location :). I thus consider myself fully cleared of the accusations that have been made here. As a conclusion, I would appreciate if several contributors would refrain from their systematic attacks and assume good faith in my actions, a stance clearly affirmed by the Arbitration Commity, which also actually encouraged me to continue with contributions outside of my restrictions. Please kindly follow the Arbcom stance instead of using its ruling as an excuse to corner me and try to block me for any possible reason. Cheers. PHG ( talk) 11:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Cirt ( talk) 19:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Here's a nice painting of John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto) in Venetian garb (sourced from "Historic Maritime maps" by Donald Wigal, p.58). Could someone kindly insert the painting in the article dedicated to him? Thanks. PHG ( talk) 13:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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The arbcom passed a clarification affecting you. The ruling is here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Franco-Mongol_alliance#PHG_is_required_to_provide_a_means_for_the_Community_to_verify_his_sources. and the whole thread is on the talk page thereof. You may choose either or both options. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Regarding Coren, I sent a post to the rest of the Committee so we're all on the same page. I'll get back with you soon to let you know. FloNight ♥♥♥ 11:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, PHG
You might be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Christianity in China work group that recently formed. Your knowledge of the Jesuit history would be helpful. Just wanted to send a friendly invite to get more folks involved. Thanks. Brian0324 ( talk) 14:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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I've nominated your article for a DYK. My entry at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_June_1 is:
-- 74.13.130.46 asked: Not sure if 1688 is the appropriate name for this Siamese item. The Gregorian calendar was unlikely to be in use by the locals. "1688" was probably only used by historians from the West. What's the local name for this event?
Do you have an answer? I googled and all I could find was "western" accounts that call it the Siamese revolution of 1688.-- Work permit ( talk) 15:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)