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The rule on Wikipedia is that to be properly and reliably sourced, the references in an article need to be primarily to coverage which is about the subject, in media outlets which are independent of him. A person doesn't get into Wikipedia by writing about himself, or by having a profile on the website of the organization he works for — he gets into Wikipedia because media outlets which don't have a vested interest in promoting him have written about his work.
So with that said, I'll guide you through the problems with the sources that are in the article right now: #1 is his profile on the website of the church he leads, #2 is his faculty profile on the website of the university where he teaches courses, and #3 is an author profile on the website of the publishing company that releases his books — so those aren't sources that are independent of him, but are public relations profiles from organizations that are directly affiliated. #4, #5, #6 and #9 are articles that he wrote — but a person isn't properly referenced by pointing to content where he's the author of an article about something else. #7 and #8 are just videos of him speaking, which still isn't coverage of him. And Rotten Tomatoes is just a directory which just namechecks him; an article about the film in a newspaper which mentioned his role in it would be a good reference, but the mere presence of his name on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDb is not.
So that's why I added the primary sources tag — all of the sources in the article fail our reliable source rules in some way. What you need to look for instead is newspaper or magazine articles about him, TV or radio segments about, books which are at least partially about him, and on and so forth — that's the kind of sourcing it would take to get the tag off the article. Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat ( talk) 16:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Mr Siegel. May I please call you David? Thank you for agreeing to be my mentor. I need help with just about everything, I'm afraid. However the first issue I am dealing with is restructuring the article I submitted on Robin Meyers so that it has adequate and reliable sources. The user Bearcat left a message on my talk page pointing out the errors. I have spent some time today finding ones I hope will be suitable. For example, Dr Meyers' involvement in the Wanda Jean Allen case is noted on the website of the
Office of the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney. Is that acceptable?
With regard to the overall text, I get the impression that I have entered too much information and that I may need to delete the quotes because it is deemed original research. This came as a shock as I have worked as a journalist for 30 years and done graduate diplomas in media production, education and also theology, where quotes are essential. So I need to learn the style.
In a nutshell, I require help in getting those ugly tags off the page. I apologise in advance for not reading up on this before rushing in like a wallaby at a billabong.
I'm sure I also need tips on etiquette and correct procedure.
Where shall we start?
Thanks again,'t
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David.I've split off this thread as it was getting too long for convenience, and with just us two dicussing there is no really chance of confusion, as there might be in a thread with many participants DES (talk) 12:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC) Hello David, I see that you have received some rather urgent requests for assistance from other editors this weekend and, in light of these, I feel that I should put the questions in my email about The Adventures of Barry McKenzie on the back-burner. When you have a moment could I perhaps instead get your thoughts on how to best proceed with fixing the issues regarding the article on Robin Meyers? I am now searching for reliable secondary and tertiary sources. Would you recommend that I run proposed changes past you first to ensure they are acceptable rather than attempting them myself, starting with the sources themselves? For example, is this book review from The Christian Century an acceptable secondary source? Thanking you (again) in anticipation. Paul J Heritage ( talk) 11:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC) Paul J Heritage.
The Robin Meyers article looks much improved. Note that primary sources are fine for certain uses, indeed preferred for things like birth dates, and basic factual information about the subject, and for the subject's expressed views. Primary sources must be used carefully, they don't contribute to notability, and should not be used to establish controversial or extraordinary facts about the subject, nor much of anything about other people.
If you are honestly convinced that a maintenance tag is no longer appropriate, because the issue has been dealt with, you can remove it. You don't need anyone else's approval. Indicate what you are doing and why in the edit summary. As to providing online links, see Wikipedia:Citing sources, and particularly Wikipedia:Citing sources#Links and ID numbers and Wikipedia:Citing sources#Say where you read it. In general, if a link is available, provided it for the convenience of other editors and readers. If you found the source online, providing a link is both easy and more important, as it is just possible that the online version differs from a print version. Access dates are generally needed only if there is no stable print version, and the online version might change or disappear. DES (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello David, I hope you are well. There were no free images of Meyers anywhere online so I sent an email to the webmaster at his Church in Oklahoma City requesting one based on a form email . In the meantime I have been editing mistakes or adding information to other sites I have been reading. Yesterday, after a lengthy delay, the webmaster sent me three photos of Meyers in the pulpit. I sent him the standard Declaration of Consent with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, which he has now returned. However, because the image is not actually on the Church website I'm a bit confused about the next step. On Wikimedia Commons it says "Be sure to provide a link to the source, where the license is stated". Similarly, the page Template:OTRS_pending says "Please copy the URL of this image or article in the email to assist OTRS volunteers to find it. If an email cannot be found in the OTRS system, the content may be deleted for lack of valid licensing information.". What do I do? Thanks and best wishes, Paul J Heritage ( talk) 06:52, 26 September 2015 (UTC) Paul J Heritage
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The rule on Wikipedia is that to be properly and reliably sourced, the references in an article need to be primarily to coverage which is about the subject, in media outlets which are independent of him. A person doesn't get into Wikipedia by writing about himself, or by having a profile on the website of the organization he works for — he gets into Wikipedia because media outlets which don't have a vested interest in promoting him have written about his work.
So with that said, I'll guide you through the problems with the sources that are in the article right now: #1 is his profile on the website of the church he leads, #2 is his faculty profile on the website of the university where he teaches courses, and #3 is an author profile on the website of the publishing company that releases his books — so those aren't sources that are independent of him, but are public relations profiles from organizations that are directly affiliated. #4, #5, #6 and #9 are articles that he wrote — but a person isn't properly referenced by pointing to content where he's the author of an article about something else. #7 and #8 are just videos of him speaking, which still isn't coverage of him. And Rotten Tomatoes is just a directory which just namechecks him; an article about the film in a newspaper which mentioned his role in it would be a good reference, but the mere presence of his name on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDb is not.
So that's why I added the primary sources tag — all of the sources in the article fail our reliable source rules in some way. What you need to look for instead is newspaper or magazine articles about him, TV or radio segments about, books which are at least partially about him, and on and so forth — that's the kind of sourcing it would take to get the tag off the article. Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat ( talk) 16:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi there! Paul J Heritage,
you are invited to
The Co-op, a gathering place for editors where you can find mentors to help you build and improve Wikipedia. If you're looking for an editor who can help you out, please
join us!
I JethroBT (
I'm a Co-op mentor)
This message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot ( talk) 17:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC) |
I am David E. Siegel. The Co-op has matched us as mentor and mentee. What sort of things do you think you could use assistance with? DES (talk)
Hello Mr Siegel. May I please call you David? Thank you for agreeing to be my mentor. I need help with just about everything, I'm afraid. However the first issue I am dealing with is restructuring the article I submitted on Robin Meyers so that it has adequate and reliable sources. The user Bearcat left a message on my talk page pointing out the errors. I have spent some time today finding ones I hope will be suitable. For example, Dr Meyers' involvement in the Wanda Jean Allen case is noted on the website of the
Office of the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney. Is that acceptable?
With regard to the overall text, I get the impression that I have entered too much information and that I may need to delete the quotes because it is deemed original research. This came as a shock as I have worked as a journalist for 30 years and done graduate diplomas in media production, education and also theology, where quotes are essential. So I need to learn the style.
In a nutshell, I require help in getting those ugly tags off the page. I apologise in advance for not reading up on this before rushing in like a wallaby at a billabong.
I'm sure I also need tips on etiquette and correct procedure.
Where shall we start?
Thanks again,'t
Paul J Heritage ( talk) 07:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC) Paul J Heritage
{{U|DESiegel}}
or {{ping|DESiegel}}
in a signed comment. I hope this is helpful for a start
DES
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11:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
DESiegel {{U|DESiegel}}
<nowiki>
and a </nowiki>
is displayed instead of interpreted. This is often used to display details of wiki markup in examples. Text between <code>
and a </code>
is displayed with a grey background and a slightly different font to indicate that it is computer source code of some sort. I often combine these when displaying examples of wiki-code.{{U|DESiegel|David}}
which will display as
David.I've split off this thread as it was getting too long for convenience, and with just us two dicussing there is no really chance of confusion, as there might be in a thread with many participants DES (talk) 12:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC) Hello David, I see that you have received some rather urgent requests for assistance from other editors this weekend and, in light of these, I feel that I should put the questions in my email about The Adventures of Barry McKenzie on the back-burner. When you have a moment could I perhaps instead get your thoughts on how to best proceed with fixing the issues regarding the article on Robin Meyers? I am now searching for reliable secondary and tertiary sources. Would you recommend that I run proposed changes past you first to ensure they are acceptable rather than attempting them myself, starting with the sources themselves? For example, is this book review from The Christian Century an acceptable secondary source? Thanking you (again) in anticipation. Paul J Heritage ( talk) 11:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC) Paul J Heritage.
The Robin Meyers article looks much improved. Note that primary sources are fine for certain uses, indeed preferred for things like birth dates, and basic factual information about the subject, and for the subject's expressed views. Primary sources must be used carefully, they don't contribute to notability, and should not be used to establish controversial or extraordinary facts about the subject, nor much of anything about other people.
If you are honestly convinced that a maintenance tag is no longer appropriate, because the issue has been dealt with, you can remove it. You don't need anyone else's approval. Indicate what you are doing and why in the edit summary. As to providing online links, see Wikipedia:Citing sources, and particularly Wikipedia:Citing sources#Links and ID numbers and Wikipedia:Citing sources#Say where you read it. In general, if a link is available, provided it for the convenience of other editors and readers. If you found the source online, providing a link is both easy and more important, as it is just possible that the online version differs from a print version. Access dates are generally needed only if there is no stable print version, and the online version might change or disappear. DES (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello David, I hope you are well. There were no free images of Meyers anywhere online so I sent an email to the webmaster at his Church in Oklahoma City requesting one based on a form email . In the meantime I have been editing mistakes or adding information to other sites I have been reading. Yesterday, after a lengthy delay, the webmaster sent me three photos of Meyers in the pulpit. I sent him the standard Declaration of Consent with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, which he has now returned. However, because the image is not actually on the Church website I'm a bit confused about the next step. On Wikimedia Commons it says "Be sure to provide a link to the source, where the license is stated". Similarly, the page Template:OTRS_pending says "Please copy the URL of this image or article in the email to assist OTRS volunteers to find it. If an email cannot be found in the OTRS system, the content may be deleted for lack of valid licensing information.". What do I do? Thanks and best wishes, Paul J Heritage ( talk) 06:52, 26 September 2015 (UTC) Paul J Heritage