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...and failed to capitalize it. For shame, for shame. Qwirkle ( talk) 16:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi! I'm Le Panini, a Teahouse host. You've come to my attention because apparently somebody was complaining about your "wrongdoings" over at the Teahouse. It was a weird request, but I would like to make this point after taking a look at your talk page: Assume good faith. (mostly)Everyone here is trying to make Wikipedia better, so it'd be good to take some of these users with a nicer tone. They have the same goal as you do. Happy editing! Le Panini Talk 16:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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I don't understand where you think you have the high ground on this issue. You are acting like a bully.
Based only upon you opining, you are taking umbrage with the direct quote, "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation". Are you a Trump apologist? When pressed, you find a "rule" in the Manual of Style that supports your position, sort of. Your rule is "first you do not start an article with a quote from an opinion section, partly because it is not in the body."
Seriously, "first you do not start an article with a quote from an opinion section." You made that up, that piece of guidance is not in the WP:MOSLEAD.
You think the following supports your argument: "if you look Morning Mix describes itself as "The Washington Post's Morning Mix blog covers stories from all over the nation and world." OK, it does that. What exactly is your point? What part of the "Morning Mix" is the problem?
Somehow you doubt the referenced article is from a reliable source. Are you telling me that the Washington Post is not a reliable source? What part of the article about Trump's lying is not reliable?
You object because the article included as part of the "Morning Mix" which for some reason or other the Washington Post calls it a "blog", but it isn't a blog. The article is a Washington Post article that is included in the "blog" section. The article isn't written as a blog, it is reporting, it provides fact after fact after fact. It is not an opinion piece or editorial. Go read it.
Here is the article, check it out:
Your opinion, as I have pointed out before, is not sufficient to merit authority to undo my edit. It is doubtful that the statement, "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" is an opinion. It is a substantiated fact. The man lies and he lies about his lies. His lies have been tracked and counted. Trump is averaging more than 50 false or misleading claims a day. As of October 22, 2020, he had made 26,548 false or misleading claims. By today, it is pretty close to 30,000 false or misleading claims. 30,000 "falsehoods" seems like a pretty prodigious effort are spreading misinformation. (And I pause here thinking of the 344,0000 unnecessary COV-19 related deaths that were mainly due to Donald Trump lying to America.)
And since you wanted me to read the MoS, how about this "rule": "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable." Clearly, the sentence "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" satisfies these requirements.
And you continue, "partly because it is not in the body." That is a pretty weak reason. Don't you realize that the entire article is about Donald Trump's serial mendaciousness? Everything that is written in the article is about Trump's propensity for being a liar and spreading misinformation? I think you are missing the obvious here.
It is annoying that to support your tenuous position you go full-bureaucrat and roll out a D/S Alertr on my Talk Page and with a condescending attitude, you tell me "Finally please read up on WP:TRUTH & WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS." Gee, you left out WP:TENDENTIOUS.
And about "tendentious editing", it is defined as "a manner of editing that is partisan, biased, or skewed taken as a whole?" What in the single sentence about Trump spreading misinformation, "is a manner of editing that is partisan, biased, or skewed taken as a whole?" It is a simple statement of truth.
About WP:TRUTH, a "rule" is "material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source." I submit, as I have discussed, the article is from a reliable source.
About WP:TRUTH, the "rule" is "the absolute minimum standard for including information in Wikipedia is verifiability." It is pretty clear that the sentence "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" is pregnant with its verifiability.
About WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Somehow I don't see any support for your argument here. Please explain what relationship the sentence "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" has to the righting of great wrongs? What "wrong" is this sentence "righting". I think you are just throwing merde against the wall to see if some of it will stick.
About WP:TRUTH, the "rule" is "Editors may not add their own views to articles simply because they believe them to be correct, and may not remove sources' views from articles simply because they disagree with them." I will repeat, "editors. . .may may not remove sources' views from articles simply because they disagree with them." You have removed my edit only because for some obscure reason you disagree. You are unable to support your disagreement and can only cite generally WP:MOSLEAD, WP:TRUTH & WP:RGW. The irony is what you are doing is in general violation of these pieces of Wikipedia guidance.
I would appreciate your response to my parsing of your disagreement. I think you were wrong when you made [ undo of my edit].
Do you really think arbitration for this one sentence is necessary?
PS For the record I will put this on the Veracity of statements by Donald Trump talk page
Osomite hablemos 07:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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Not saying anything is wrong, just a standard awareness note for WP:ACDS topic areas. Osomite hablemos 07:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Was putting a D/S Alert on my talk page really necessary? Here's one for you, just saying */. You obviously issued the alert to get even, which is a violation of ArbCom's DS alert procedures. Had you done what is expected of all editors prior to issuing a DS alert, you would have known that PME had already received an alert within the past 12 months, and that she is also well aware of the DS process in the AP2 topic area as evidenced by (1) the alert on her UTP, (2) her issuance of a DS alert on your UTP, and (3) her participation at AE. You not only failed to do what was expected of you relative to issuing a DS alert, you laid the groundwork for further disruption with your WP:PAs against PME above. Encouraging colleagial discourse would have been a much better approach than the behavior you've demonstrated above, and I do hope that you will heed my friendly advice and amend your behavior when approaching editors you consider opposition. I also invite you to read/participate in the open discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#NPOV-problems on Wikipedia. WP does have a NPOV problem, particularly in the AP2 topic area that many of us are/have been trying to resolve. A good start for 2021 would be to approach our differences in a more collegial manner. Happy editing in 2021!! Atsme 💬 📧 11:45, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
That's a fine picture of Hendrik with his laptop en plein air = well ahead of his time ! Qexigator ( talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
ahaha! soibangla ( talk) 23:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
BMK never once mentioned banning people from the talkpage. I do believe that the blanket talkpage ban is an important point in this case - but you're the one that brought that up, not BMK. If you have issues with BMK's behavior, it may be better to raise a new thread about it, or utilize dispute resolution. I think Floquenbeam did the right thing in hatting that section - as it isn't really related to the unblock request in question. It comes off as you just taking swipes at BMK to me (and I think others) - which you may not have intended. SQL Query me! 23:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Stop assuming bad faith of and attacking MastCell, as you did here, after my previous post, or you will be blocked for personal attacks. You are welcome to remove this warning. What you cannot do, however, is prevent an admin from posting warnings on this page. Bishonen | tålk 08:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC). (Adding:) Please let me know if, another time, you would prefer to be blocked without warning. That would be fine by me; I don't post on your page because I enjoy it. Bishonen | tålk 08:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC).
Probably better to not address Mastcell at all anymore. If he misuses one of your past diffs to malign you let me know.-- MONGO ( talk) 17:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Tell me, how does this comment, made six months after the last desperate effort to overturn an established consensus, about a former editor who has no ability of reply as they have clearly left the project, do any good for building an encyclopaedia and forming collaborative relationships? 2A04:4A43:47FE:D633:911E:9719:5489:CCA0 ( talk) 20:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah, my bad. I mistakenly read the sentence Removing or striking through comments made by blocked sock puppets of users editing in violation of a block or ban
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WP:TALKO as Removing or striking through comments made by blocked sock puppets or users editing in violation of a block or ban.
Srey Sros
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18:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello PackMecEng,
Are you aware that this editor has been blocked 17 times previously, and that their most recent block was also for two weeks? I have made it clear that I would like the editor to return and make productive contributions. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
...to turn back the sandy hands of time and revisit "our song". It's still as guiltily pleasant as I remember, still not sure how I feel about any of this. That part on "the HIGHest powers", though, that's still metal to me! InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Also, sorry for collapsing part of that underlying conversation. It was intended as a compromise with someone who wanted to collapse even more, nothing personal against your singing. But if the line must be drawn between work and banter, that seemed like the place, eh? InedibleHulk ( talk) 07:20, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Please self-revert this edit which is being discussed. That is very well-established and long-standing content and should not be removed until a solid consensus is reached. That is the policy-based way to handle such content, and you know that. There is no consensus based on policy to remove that content, just the personal "I don't like it" objections of an editor who seems to ignore policies and practices. He does that a lot. -- Valjean ( talk) 18:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey to stop the back and forth I created a dispute resolution here. [3] 3Kingdoms ( talk) 19:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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was likely not appropriate in this case, and I ask that you reverse your action. You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 23:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
it was a 24-BRD violation by Spy-cicle. SPECIFICO talk 02:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
There's an ongoing Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes and I would love you to take part in it. Cloud200 ( talk) 06:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
You specifically accused me of being hypocritical in my general explanation of principles. That's a pretty strong PA, but unworthy of comment there. We often focus on the bias of sources, but the bias (in my case hypocrisy) of editors is just as important as it relates to NPOV editing, and you see me as hypocritical. I'm surprised you would say such a thing as we both have our biases and both live in glass houses in that regard. It was a cheap ad hominem shot at me, as if you have no biases. Your bias was very clear in your explanation of why we should trash a highly-respected source. Biased sources can still be factual. We do not exclude sources because of their bias, only when their bias is so strong that it affects their accuracy.
At some times in history that deviation from facts will mostly affect left-wing sources, but at this point in history most RS, researchers, and fact-checkers agree that it is affecting mostly right-wing sources. C'est la vie. Lying to your enemies is one thing, but lying to your base is very self-destructive. That's what happens when TFG's supporters follow him down his rabbit hole of deception and misinformation, a fact that many Republican leaders are bemoaning. They are worried for their party. It has lost its way. I find it sad and worrying because I grew up in social circles without a single Democrat. We were all staunch Republicans, and I voted for several Republican presidents and governors. There wasn't a single drop of leftist milk in either of my mommy's breasts.
I'd appreciate your POV about my hypocrisy because I can't see myself as others see me. I'd love to improve. In what ways am I hypocritical? I have no doubt that I am guilty in some regards, and I'll thank you for any constructive criticism in that regard.
BTW, welcome back. I was concerned by your absence and wondered if you were okay. Atsme, who is a very caring and wonderful lady, wasn't able to help me with any info about you. -- Valjean ( talk) 17:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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...and failed to capitalize it. For shame, for shame. Qwirkle ( talk) 16:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi! I'm Le Panini, a Teahouse host. You've come to my attention because apparently somebody was complaining about your "wrongdoings" over at the Teahouse. It was a weird request, but I would like to make this point after taking a look at your talk page: Assume good faith. (mostly)Everyone here is trying to make Wikipedia better, so it'd be good to take some of these users with a nicer tone. They have the same goal as you do. Happy editing! Le Panini Talk 16:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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I don't understand where you think you have the high ground on this issue. You are acting like a bully.
Based only upon you opining, you are taking umbrage with the direct quote, "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation". Are you a Trump apologist? When pressed, you find a "rule" in the Manual of Style that supports your position, sort of. Your rule is "first you do not start an article with a quote from an opinion section, partly because it is not in the body."
Seriously, "first you do not start an article with a quote from an opinion section." You made that up, that piece of guidance is not in the WP:MOSLEAD.
You think the following supports your argument: "if you look Morning Mix describes itself as "The Washington Post's Morning Mix blog covers stories from all over the nation and world." OK, it does that. What exactly is your point? What part of the "Morning Mix" is the problem?
Somehow you doubt the referenced article is from a reliable source. Are you telling me that the Washington Post is not a reliable source? What part of the article about Trump's lying is not reliable?
You object because the article included as part of the "Morning Mix" which for some reason or other the Washington Post calls it a "blog", but it isn't a blog. The article is a Washington Post article that is included in the "blog" section. The article isn't written as a blog, it is reporting, it provides fact after fact after fact. It is not an opinion piece or editorial. Go read it.
Here is the article, check it out:
Your opinion, as I have pointed out before, is not sufficient to merit authority to undo my edit. It is doubtful that the statement, "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" is an opinion. It is a substantiated fact. The man lies and he lies about his lies. His lies have been tracked and counted. Trump is averaging more than 50 false or misleading claims a day. As of October 22, 2020, he had made 26,548 false or misleading claims. By today, it is pretty close to 30,000 false or misleading claims. 30,000 "falsehoods" seems like a pretty prodigious effort are spreading misinformation. (And I pause here thinking of the 344,0000 unnecessary COV-19 related deaths that were mainly due to Donald Trump lying to America.)
And since you wanted me to read the MoS, how about this "rule": "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable." Clearly, the sentence "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" satisfies these requirements.
And you continue, "partly because it is not in the body." That is a pretty weak reason. Don't you realize that the entire article is about Donald Trump's serial mendaciousness? Everything that is written in the article is about Trump's propensity for being a liar and spreading misinformation? I think you are missing the obvious here.
It is annoying that to support your tenuous position you go full-bureaucrat and roll out a D/S Alertr on my Talk Page and with a condescending attitude, you tell me "Finally please read up on WP:TRUTH & WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS." Gee, you left out WP:TENDENTIOUS.
And about "tendentious editing", it is defined as "a manner of editing that is partisan, biased, or skewed taken as a whole?" What in the single sentence about Trump spreading misinformation, "is a manner of editing that is partisan, biased, or skewed taken as a whole?" It is a simple statement of truth.
About WP:TRUTH, a "rule" is "material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source." I submit, as I have discussed, the article is from a reliable source.
About WP:TRUTH, the "rule" is "the absolute minimum standard for including information in Wikipedia is verifiability." It is pretty clear that the sentence "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" is pregnant with its verifiability.
About WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Somehow I don't see any support for your argument here. Please explain what relationship the sentence "Donald Trump has been a prodigious spreader of misinformation" has to the righting of great wrongs? What "wrong" is this sentence "righting". I think you are just throwing merde against the wall to see if some of it will stick.
About WP:TRUTH, the "rule" is "Editors may not add their own views to articles simply because they believe them to be correct, and may not remove sources' views from articles simply because they disagree with them." I will repeat, "editors. . .may may not remove sources' views from articles simply because they disagree with them." You have removed my edit only because for some obscure reason you disagree. You are unable to support your disagreement and can only cite generally WP:MOSLEAD, WP:TRUTH & WP:RGW. The irony is what you are doing is in general violation of these pieces of Wikipedia guidance.
I would appreciate your response to my parsing of your disagreement. I think you were wrong when you made [ undo of my edit].
Do you really think arbitration for this one sentence is necessary?
PS For the record I will put this on the Veracity of statements by Donald Trump talk page
Osomite hablemos 07:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
Not saying anything is wrong, just a standard awareness note for WP:ACDS topic areas. Osomite hablemos 07:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Was putting a D/S Alert on my talk page really necessary? Here's one for you, just saying */. You obviously issued the alert to get even, which is a violation of ArbCom's DS alert procedures. Had you done what is expected of all editors prior to issuing a DS alert, you would have known that PME had already received an alert within the past 12 months, and that she is also well aware of the DS process in the AP2 topic area as evidenced by (1) the alert on her UTP, (2) her issuance of a DS alert on your UTP, and (3) her participation at AE. You not only failed to do what was expected of you relative to issuing a DS alert, you laid the groundwork for further disruption with your WP:PAs against PME above. Encouraging colleagial discourse would have been a much better approach than the behavior you've demonstrated above, and I do hope that you will heed my friendly advice and amend your behavior when approaching editors you consider opposition. I also invite you to read/participate in the open discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#NPOV-problems on Wikipedia. WP does have a NPOV problem, particularly in the AP2 topic area that many of us are/have been trying to resolve. A good start for 2021 would be to approach our differences in a more collegial manner. Happy editing in 2021!! Atsme 💬 📧 11:45, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
That's a fine picture of Hendrik with his laptop en plein air = well ahead of his time ! Qexigator ( talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
ahaha! soibangla ( talk) 23:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
BMK never once mentioned banning people from the talkpage. I do believe that the blanket talkpage ban is an important point in this case - but you're the one that brought that up, not BMK. If you have issues with BMK's behavior, it may be better to raise a new thread about it, or utilize dispute resolution. I think Floquenbeam did the right thing in hatting that section - as it isn't really related to the unblock request in question. It comes off as you just taking swipes at BMK to me (and I think others) - which you may not have intended. SQL Query me! 23:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Stop assuming bad faith of and attacking MastCell, as you did here, after my previous post, or you will be blocked for personal attacks. You are welcome to remove this warning. What you cannot do, however, is prevent an admin from posting warnings on this page. Bishonen | tålk 08:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC). (Adding:) Please let me know if, another time, you would prefer to be blocked without warning. That would be fine by me; I don't post on your page because I enjoy it. Bishonen | tålk 08:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC).
Probably better to not address Mastcell at all anymore. If he misuses one of your past diffs to malign you let me know.-- MONGO ( talk) 17:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Tell me, how does this comment, made six months after the last desperate effort to overturn an established consensus, about a former editor who has no ability of reply as they have clearly left the project, do any good for building an encyclopaedia and forming collaborative relationships? 2A04:4A43:47FE:D633:911E:9719:5489:CCA0 ( talk) 20:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah, my bad. I mistakenly read the sentence Removing or striking through comments made by blocked sock puppets of users editing in violation of a block or ban
in
WP:TALKO as Removing or striking through comments made by blocked sock puppets or users editing in violation of a block or ban.
Srey Sros
talk
18:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello PackMecEng,
Are you aware that this editor has been blocked 17 times previously, and that their most recent block was also for two weeks? I have made it clear that I would like the editor to return and make productive contributions. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
...to turn back the sandy hands of time and revisit "our song". It's still as guiltily pleasant as I remember, still not sure how I feel about any of this. That part on "the HIGHest powers", though, that's still metal to me! InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Also, sorry for collapsing part of that underlying conversation. It was intended as a compromise with someone who wanted to collapse even more, nothing personal against your singing. But if the line must be drawn between work and banter, that seemed like the place, eh? InedibleHulk ( talk) 07:20, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Please self-revert this edit which is being discussed. That is very well-established and long-standing content and should not be removed until a solid consensus is reached. That is the policy-based way to handle such content, and you know that. There is no consensus based on policy to remove that content, just the personal "I don't like it" objections of an editor who seems to ignore policies and practices. He does that a lot. -- Valjean ( talk) 18:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey to stop the back and forth I created a dispute resolution here. [3] 3Kingdoms ( talk) 19:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. –
bradv
🍁
00:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC){{
RPA}}
was likely not appropriate in this case, and I ask that you reverse your action. You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 23:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
it was a 24-BRD violation by Spy-cicle. SPECIFICO talk 02:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
There's an ongoing Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes and I would love you to take part in it. Cloud200 ( talk) 06:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
You specifically accused me of being hypocritical in my general explanation of principles. That's a pretty strong PA, but unworthy of comment there. We often focus on the bias of sources, but the bias (in my case hypocrisy) of editors is just as important as it relates to NPOV editing, and you see me as hypocritical. I'm surprised you would say such a thing as we both have our biases and both live in glass houses in that regard. It was a cheap ad hominem shot at me, as if you have no biases. Your bias was very clear in your explanation of why we should trash a highly-respected source. Biased sources can still be factual. We do not exclude sources because of their bias, only when their bias is so strong that it affects their accuracy.
At some times in history that deviation from facts will mostly affect left-wing sources, but at this point in history most RS, researchers, and fact-checkers agree that it is affecting mostly right-wing sources. C'est la vie. Lying to your enemies is one thing, but lying to your base is very self-destructive. That's what happens when TFG's supporters follow him down his rabbit hole of deception and misinformation, a fact that many Republican leaders are bemoaning. They are worried for their party. It has lost its way. I find it sad and worrying because I grew up in social circles without a single Democrat. We were all staunch Republicans, and I voted for several Republican presidents and governors. There wasn't a single drop of leftist milk in either of my mommy's breasts.
I'd appreciate your POV about my hypocrisy because I can't see myself as others see me. I'd love to improve. In what ways am I hypocritical? I have no doubt that I am guilty in some regards, and I'll thank you for any constructive criticism in that regard.
BTW, welcome back. I was concerned by your absence and wondered if you were okay. Atsme, who is a very caring and wonderful lady, wasn't able to help me with any info about you. -- Valjean ( talk) 17:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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You have shown interest in discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
Sorry for the notice, but I can't play favorites.
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19:20, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
User:Beyond My Ken is insisting that the category "Category:Far-right politics in the United States" is required, even though that definition is too narrow and contradicts the definitions provided by the quoted sources. The only justification given is that he wants a pendant to "moonbat". Not every term has a perfect opposite pendant, though, and just because that term has a specific and narrow usage does not mean that the same should be applied to "wingnut". Please provide your opinion here: /info/en/?search=Talk:Wingnut_(politics)#Request_for_consensus