This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
current talk page.
Next Linked Data for Libraries
LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call November 28, 2023: As a satellite event for Data Modeling Days, we will facilitate community discussion around data modeling in Wikidata for library collections in a variety of formats, including people, books, serials, scholarly articles, rare materials, music, media, and realia.
Agenda
Linked Open Data and Wikidata <
Alan Ang (WMDE) talks about the importance of Linked Open Data and forming mutually beneficial partnerships between the Foundation and Institutions.
Notebooks
Explore new ways of visualising your data with a
Circular Dendrogam, illustrated here with Association Football players broken down by Country and Team.
Tool of the week
Harvest Templates - is a tool that helps transfer data from Wikimedia projects to Wikidata.
User:MichaelSchoenitzer/Updown - is a userscript used for faster navigation. If there are a lot of values for one property it will add arrows that allow you to jump to the first/last value.
Other Noteworthy Stuff
WMDE is researching ways to improve the editing experience in different languages and would love to hear your feedback. We would like to talk to a few of you in online interviews to learn about your experiences, expectations, and concerns.
Please let us know in this sign-up form if you are interested in taking part.
The Research team at WMF is running a second labeling campaign to evaluate the Revert Risk model for Wikidata. This is part of ongoing work on creating a new generation of Machine Learning models to support patrolling work on Wikimedia projects. Please help by going to
this link, and labeling each revision in one of these three categories: Keep, Not Sure, Revert. Notice that "Not Sure" should be used in all cases where the Keep or Revert labels are not clear to you.
COR SEM (The Danish central word registry identifier)
UPOC ({{TranslateThis
| de = Ist eine eindeutige id zur Identifizierung von Organisationen/Sendungen/... zu einem Dienstleister.
<!-- | xx = Beschreibungen in anderen Sprachen -->
}})
WikiProject Heritage Collections - The aim of the present project is to create the world’s most comprehensive high quality database of archival fonds and heritage collections (including contemporary scientific collections or documentation holdings) and to ensure the interlinking of respective catalogues, finding aids, or collection databases with Wikidata.
WikiProject Events and Role Frames - The primary aims of WikiProject Events and Role Frames is to define a set of properties that consistently model event occurrences and their participants; to fill gaps in Wikidata regarding items for events and actions; and to encourage use of the proposed model and newly introduced items across Wikidata.
We continued to make a lot more language codes available (
phab:341409)
EntitySchemas: We are experimenting with how to work around some technical blockers for the new datatype
Wikibase REST API: We've been working on the ability to remove an Item's label in a specific language and modify the descriptions on a Property (
phab:T342981,
phab:T342981)
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[Wikidata] Weekly Summary #605
Extended content
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Discussions
New requests for permissions/Bot:
RudolfoBot - (Task: import lists of drugs with black box Warnings)
Around 250 war-threatened architectural monuments documented (German) - Wikidata, Wikibase and Commons are helping preserve and plan the restoration of culturally-significant Monuments damaged or destroyed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
ZotWb < export records in a
Zotero group library to a custom Wikibase, prepare datasets to send to OpenRefine, feed OpenRefine reconciliaton results back to the Wikibase. Wikidata is envolved in the entity reconciliation. Here's a short
explanation and demo video Tool is written and provided by David Lindermann with support from
WMF Rapid Grant.
Montana Plant Life URL (URL for a plant family, genus, or species on the Montana Plant Life website)
event role (item that describes a role in an event class)
role in event (event class for which the item describes a role)
selectional preference ((to be used only with the subclasses of Q_event_role) an item that plays this role in an event instance should descend from this item via a combination of P31 and P279)
event arguments and types (item that plays a role in an event instance; used with a qualifier "argument type")
BnF archives and manuscripts ID (identifier for a manuscript in the archives and manuscripts catalogue of the Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF). Do not include the initial "cc")
clerked for (this person has held a clerkship with the judge)
battery life (the length of time a device can continue to work before it needs its battery to be recharged)
Showcase Lexemes:
läsa - 'read' about this Swedish word with many pronounciations and grammatical features.
Feel free to suggest next week's Showcase Item and Lexeme!
Development
Wikibase REST API:
We finished the endpoint for removing an Item's label in a specific language (
phab:T335841) and the endpoint for modifying descriptions on a Property (
phab:T342981)
We are working on the endpoint for adding aliases in a given language for a Property (
phab:T343721) and removing a Property's label in a given language (
phab:T342983)
Mismatch Finder: We are continuing the work on moving the tool over to the new design system Codex
We adjusted the styling for the values of monolingual text statements to make the language easier to distinguish from the value (
phab:T280774)
mul language code: We made some final adjustments to get it ready for testing.
Lexemes: We are adding a license note for anon users when editing a Lexeme’s lemma, a Form or Sense (
phab:T343999)
If it had any meaningful history e.g. a move discussion then it's separate existence would be justifiable, but as it's had none and has never been anything but a redirect, there's no apparent reason for it to exist separately (and I do include a project classification in that).
Nthep (
talk) 23:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Which policy says that?
92.30.149.54 (
talk) 14:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
None that I'm aware of. I just don't see the need for this redirect to have an unredirected talk page when it's been a redirected talk page since 2011 without any issues.
Nthep (
talk) 14:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
So what part of that was I supposed to understand when you deleted it twice with no answer? I came here trying to understand what I'd done that was so wrong, am I understanding right that the only thing I did wrong was do something you personally don't like? So you deleted it like vandalism?
92.30.149.54 (
talk) 14:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I never said it was vandalism. Yes I do disagree with you but so far I've not heard you give any justification for your changing the status quo after 12 years. So what's your case for the change?
Nthep (
talk) 15:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I said you deleted it like vandalism: undid with no reasoning given. My case for the change is so redirects aren't 'lost track of' by projects. So they end up in lists if nominated for discussion etc. I also think the talk page is for discussing the content, in this case a redirect. I still don't understand why I did something so bad it was deleted with no reason, that's really what I'm looking for, you didn't say "I think it's better like this", you just said "Undid" like it was obviously wrong and I had done something bad. The only page I found when I did some searches is
Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects but it only deals with the 'main' redirect page and is silent about their talks.
92.30.149.54 (
talk) 15:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
You could have put a rationale in the original edit summary, that would have avoided any look of drive-by editing. Do I agree with your rationale, no, but it's enough of a reason of an area with no apparent policy for me to say ok, my opinion is different but it's a justified edit.
Nthep (
talk) 15:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Following a
talk page discussion, the
Administrators' accountability policy has been updated to note that while it is considered best practice for administrators to have
notifications (pings) enabled, this is not mandatory. Administrators who do not use notifications are now strongly encouraged to indicate this on their user page.
Arbitration
Following
a motion, the
Extended Confirmed Restriction has been amended, removing the allowance for non-extended-confirmed editors to post constructive comments on the "Talk:" namespace. Now, non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace solely to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided that their actions are not disruptive.
The Arbitration Committee has
announced a call for Checkusers and Oversighters, stating that it will currently be accepting applications for CheckUser and/or Oversight permissions at any point in the year.
Hi Nthep, thank you for cleaning up copyright violations!
S0091 (
talk) 17:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thanks, but bigger thanks to you and others for spotting them in the first place.
Nthep (
talk) 18:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #606
Extended content
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Discussions
New requests for permissions/Bot:
LccnBot (Task: Adds
P244 to bibliographic entities base on library authority records.)
New request for comments:
Duplicate References Data Model and UI < During Data Modelling Days '23, 2 proposals emerged trying to answer the question of how to handle duplicate References on Wikidata Items.
Next Linked Data for Libraries
LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call December 12, 2023: Several members of the Chinese Culture and Heritage Wikidata group will provide an overview of the group's Wikidata projects as well as the challenges they have encountered.
Agenda
Data-SHS Bordeaux Week: Processing and Analyzing Quantitative Data in Human and Social Sciences 2023. Dec. 11 - 15, Bordeaux, FR.
OpenRefine - a open source tool for working with data < This session explores the advantages of using OR to wrangle, clean, transform and standardise data for Wikidata. Presented by Jinoy Tom Jacob at the IndiaFOSS3.0 Conference.
QLever SPARQl Engine < If you attended Data Modeling Days '23, you may have seen an extraordinary
Session given by Hannah Bast and Johannes Kalmbach showcasing the power and advantages of the QLever engine. QLever can handle queries that cause the WDQS to timeout or allowing Federated queries and Geospatial!
(QLEver has already featured in Tool of the Week but we wanted to showcase it again after experiencing it at DMD '23)
counterexample (qualifier for deprecated P279 statements; example instance or subclass of the item class for which a "subclass of" statement does not hold)
WikiProject Heritage Collections: database of archival fonds and heritage collections (including contemporary scientific collections or documentation holdings) and to ensure the interlinking of respective catalogues, finding aids, or collection databases with Wikidata.
WikiProject Source Reliability: is an effort to identify and aggregate online sources of assessments of the reliability and credibility of sources.
Wikibase REST API: We continued work on the routes for adding aliases in a given language for a Property (
phab:T343721) and removing a Property's label in a given language (
phab:T342983)
Monolingual text values can now use many more languages than before. We’re still working on doing the same for Lexemes. (
phab:T341409)
what are you referring to?
Nthep (
talk) 15:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Astonished
I've just woken up from my afternoon siesta. Did you even look at the discussion on the talk page of
Refaat Alareer, from which it is clear that no copyright violation is involved? Even more astonished that you have given no explanation there. Please reconsider. --
NSH001 (
talk) 15:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
yes I did and and I've responded at the talk page.
Nthep (
talk) 16:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Then you should have first offered your thoughts there, and invited further discussion, before revdelling it. That is why I said "Let's wait for a copyright expert to appear." The whole point is that Alareer wanted his work to be distributed as widely as possible. This is obvious to anyone who has been following Alareer's work. It's ridiculous that it should be prevented from publication by a legal technicality, when in reality it has already been released. This is why we have
WP:IAR to prevent absurdities such as this. If the worst comes to the worst, I suppose I could email
Helena Cobban, who runs the Just World Books publication house. I've been following her work for decades (she is a Quaker like me) and I have no doubt that she would provide a formal release if asked. But doing so would simply make Wikipedia look silly.
WP:IAR again. --
NSH001 (
talk) 17:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
As I said on the talk page, show where this desire for his work to be shared as widely as possible is. What's obvious to you and what is a legal formality are not necessarily the same. I've spent time trying to find anything that is anywhere near sufficient to satisfy WMF licensing conditions and I can't find any. You've got an emotional attachment to this subject and you desperately want to include this poem. I accept that. There are times when I get frustrated that copyright and licensing stops me adding material to Wikipedia that I'd love to include but IAR isn't a panacea to go and ignore fundamentals on copyright, just because we want to, no matter how worthy you think the cause is.
Nthep (
talk) 18:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
current talk page.
Next Linked Data for Libraries
LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call November 28, 2023: As a satellite event for Data Modeling Days, we will facilitate community discussion around data modeling in Wikidata for library collections in a variety of formats, including people, books, serials, scholarly articles, rare materials, music, media, and realia.
Agenda
Linked Open Data and Wikidata <
Alan Ang (WMDE) talks about the importance of Linked Open Data and forming mutually beneficial partnerships between the Foundation and Institutions.
Notebooks
Explore new ways of visualising your data with a
Circular Dendrogam, illustrated here with Association Football players broken down by Country and Team.
Tool of the week
Harvest Templates - is a tool that helps transfer data from Wikimedia projects to Wikidata.
User:MichaelSchoenitzer/Updown - is a userscript used for faster navigation. If there are a lot of values for one property it will add arrows that allow you to jump to the first/last value.
Other Noteworthy Stuff
WMDE is researching ways to improve the editing experience in different languages and would love to hear your feedback. We would like to talk to a few of you in online interviews to learn about your experiences, expectations, and concerns.
Please let us know in this sign-up form if you are interested in taking part.
The Research team at WMF is running a second labeling campaign to evaluate the Revert Risk model for Wikidata. This is part of ongoing work on creating a new generation of Machine Learning models to support patrolling work on Wikimedia projects. Please help by going to
this link, and labeling each revision in one of these three categories: Keep, Not Sure, Revert. Notice that "Not Sure" should be used in all cases where the Keep or Revert labels are not clear to you.
COR SEM (The Danish central word registry identifier)
UPOC ({{TranslateThis
| de = Ist eine eindeutige id zur Identifizierung von Organisationen/Sendungen/... zu einem Dienstleister.
<!-- | xx = Beschreibungen in anderen Sprachen -->
}})
WikiProject Heritage Collections - The aim of the present project is to create the world’s most comprehensive high quality database of archival fonds and heritage collections (including contemporary scientific collections or documentation holdings) and to ensure the interlinking of respective catalogues, finding aids, or collection databases with Wikidata.
WikiProject Events and Role Frames - The primary aims of WikiProject Events and Role Frames is to define a set of properties that consistently model event occurrences and their participants; to fill gaps in Wikidata regarding items for events and actions; and to encourage use of the proposed model and newly introduced items across Wikidata.
We continued to make a lot more language codes available (
phab:341409)
EntitySchemas: We are experimenting with how to work around some technical blockers for the new datatype
Wikibase REST API: We've been working on the ability to remove an Item's label in a specific language and modify the descriptions on a Property (
phab:T342981,
phab:T342981)
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[Wikidata] Weekly Summary #605
Extended content
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Discussions
New requests for permissions/Bot:
RudolfoBot - (Task: import lists of drugs with black box Warnings)
Around 250 war-threatened architectural monuments documented (German) - Wikidata, Wikibase and Commons are helping preserve and plan the restoration of culturally-significant Monuments damaged or destroyed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
ZotWb < export records in a
Zotero group library to a custom Wikibase, prepare datasets to send to OpenRefine, feed OpenRefine reconciliaton results back to the Wikibase. Wikidata is envolved in the entity reconciliation. Here's a short
explanation and demo video Tool is written and provided by David Lindermann with support from
WMF Rapid Grant.
Montana Plant Life URL (URL for a plant family, genus, or species on the Montana Plant Life website)
event role (item that describes a role in an event class)
role in event (event class for which the item describes a role)
selectional preference ((to be used only with the subclasses of Q_event_role) an item that plays this role in an event instance should descend from this item via a combination of P31 and P279)
event arguments and types (item that plays a role in an event instance; used with a qualifier "argument type")
BnF archives and manuscripts ID (identifier for a manuscript in the archives and manuscripts catalogue of the Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF). Do not include the initial "cc")
clerked for (this person has held a clerkship with the judge)
battery life (the length of time a device can continue to work before it needs its battery to be recharged)
Showcase Lexemes:
läsa - 'read' about this Swedish word with many pronounciations and grammatical features.
Feel free to suggest next week's Showcase Item and Lexeme!
Development
Wikibase REST API:
We finished the endpoint for removing an Item's label in a specific language (
phab:T335841) and the endpoint for modifying descriptions on a Property (
phab:T342981)
We are working on the endpoint for adding aliases in a given language for a Property (
phab:T343721) and removing a Property's label in a given language (
phab:T342983)
Mismatch Finder: We are continuing the work on moving the tool over to the new design system Codex
We adjusted the styling for the values of monolingual text statements to make the language easier to distinguish from the value (
phab:T280774)
mul language code: We made some final adjustments to get it ready for testing.
Lexemes: We are adding a license note for anon users when editing a Lexeme’s lemma, a Form or Sense (
phab:T343999)
If it had any meaningful history e.g. a move discussion then it's separate existence would be justifiable, but as it's had none and has never been anything but a redirect, there's no apparent reason for it to exist separately (and I do include a project classification in that).
Nthep (
talk) 23:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Which policy says that?
92.30.149.54 (
talk) 14:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
None that I'm aware of. I just don't see the need for this redirect to have an unredirected talk page when it's been a redirected talk page since 2011 without any issues.
Nthep (
talk) 14:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
So what part of that was I supposed to understand when you deleted it twice with no answer? I came here trying to understand what I'd done that was so wrong, am I understanding right that the only thing I did wrong was do something you personally don't like? So you deleted it like vandalism?
92.30.149.54 (
talk) 14:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I never said it was vandalism. Yes I do disagree with you but so far I've not heard you give any justification for your changing the status quo after 12 years. So what's your case for the change?
Nthep (
talk) 15:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I said you deleted it like vandalism: undid with no reasoning given. My case for the change is so redirects aren't 'lost track of' by projects. So they end up in lists if nominated for discussion etc. I also think the talk page is for discussing the content, in this case a redirect. I still don't understand why I did something so bad it was deleted with no reason, that's really what I'm looking for, you didn't say "I think it's better like this", you just said "Undid" like it was obviously wrong and I had done something bad. The only page I found when I did some searches is
Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects but it only deals with the 'main' redirect page and is silent about their talks.
92.30.149.54 (
talk) 15:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
You could have put a rationale in the original edit summary, that would have avoided any look of drive-by editing. Do I agree with your rationale, no, but it's enough of a reason of an area with no apparent policy for me to say ok, my opinion is different but it's a justified edit.
Nthep (
talk) 15:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Following a
talk page discussion, the
Administrators' accountability policy has been updated to note that while it is considered best practice for administrators to have
notifications (pings) enabled, this is not mandatory. Administrators who do not use notifications are now strongly encouraged to indicate this on their user page.
Arbitration
Following
a motion, the
Extended Confirmed Restriction has been amended, removing the allowance for non-extended-confirmed editors to post constructive comments on the "Talk:" namespace. Now, non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace solely to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided that their actions are not disruptive.
The Arbitration Committee has
announced a call for Checkusers and Oversighters, stating that it will currently be accepting applications for CheckUser and/or Oversight permissions at any point in the year.
Hi Nthep, thank you for cleaning up copyright violations!
S0091 (
talk) 17:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thanks, but bigger thanks to you and others for spotting them in the first place.
Nthep (
talk) 18:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #606
Extended content
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Discussions
New requests for permissions/Bot:
LccnBot (Task: Adds
P244 to bibliographic entities base on library authority records.)
New request for comments:
Duplicate References Data Model and UI < During Data Modelling Days '23, 2 proposals emerged trying to answer the question of how to handle duplicate References on Wikidata Items.
Next Linked Data for Libraries
LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call December 12, 2023: Several members of the Chinese Culture and Heritage Wikidata group will provide an overview of the group's Wikidata projects as well as the challenges they have encountered.
Agenda
Data-SHS Bordeaux Week: Processing and Analyzing Quantitative Data in Human and Social Sciences 2023. Dec. 11 - 15, Bordeaux, FR.
OpenRefine - a open source tool for working with data < This session explores the advantages of using OR to wrangle, clean, transform and standardise data for Wikidata. Presented by Jinoy Tom Jacob at the IndiaFOSS3.0 Conference.
QLever SPARQl Engine < If you attended Data Modeling Days '23, you may have seen an extraordinary
Session given by Hannah Bast and Johannes Kalmbach showcasing the power and advantages of the QLever engine. QLever can handle queries that cause the WDQS to timeout or allowing Federated queries and Geospatial!
(QLEver has already featured in Tool of the Week but we wanted to showcase it again after experiencing it at DMD '23)
counterexample (qualifier for deprecated P279 statements; example instance or subclass of the item class for which a "subclass of" statement does not hold)
WikiProject Heritage Collections: database of archival fonds and heritage collections (including contemporary scientific collections or documentation holdings) and to ensure the interlinking of respective catalogues, finding aids, or collection databases with Wikidata.
WikiProject Source Reliability: is an effort to identify and aggregate online sources of assessments of the reliability and credibility of sources.
Wikibase REST API: We continued work on the routes for adding aliases in a given language for a Property (
phab:T343721) and removing a Property's label in a given language (
phab:T342983)
Monolingual text values can now use many more languages than before. We’re still working on doing the same for Lexemes. (
phab:T341409)
what are you referring to?
Nthep (
talk) 15:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Astonished
I've just woken up from my afternoon siesta. Did you even look at the discussion on the talk page of
Refaat Alareer, from which it is clear that no copyright violation is involved? Even more astonished that you have given no explanation there. Please reconsider. --
NSH001 (
talk) 15:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
yes I did and and I've responded at the talk page.
Nthep (
talk) 16:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Then you should have first offered your thoughts there, and invited further discussion, before revdelling it. That is why I said "Let's wait for a copyright expert to appear." The whole point is that Alareer wanted his work to be distributed as widely as possible. This is obvious to anyone who has been following Alareer's work. It's ridiculous that it should be prevented from publication by a legal technicality, when in reality it has already been released. This is why we have
WP:IAR to prevent absurdities such as this. If the worst comes to the worst, I suppose I could email
Helena Cobban, who runs the Just World Books publication house. I've been following her work for decades (she is a Quaker like me) and I have no doubt that she would provide a formal release if asked. But doing so would simply make Wikipedia look silly.
WP:IAR again. --
NSH001 (
talk) 17:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
As I said on the talk page, show where this desire for his work to be shared as widely as possible is. What's obvious to you and what is a legal formality are not necessarily the same. I've spent time trying to find anything that is anywhere near sufficient to satisfy WMF licensing conditions and I can't find any. You've got an emotional attachment to this subject and you desperately want to include this poem. I accept that. There are times when I get frustrated that copyright and licensing stops me adding material to Wikipedia that I'd love to include but IAR isn't a panacea to go and ignore fundamentals on copyright, just because we want to, no matter how worthy you think the cause is.
Nthep (
talk) 18:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)