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How come we haven't got anything on Tahutmes III raid on Hebron XXVII dynasty (Time of Joseph's famine).. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 23:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Not Thutmose (sixth Pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty), Tahutmes III (XXVII dynasty) they are different Tahutmes well attested raid throughout Palestine gold bowl in Paris about taking Jaffa in the raid. Tahutmes was a vassal of the Assyrians... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 11:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I suddenly thought hang on what about that golden bowl in Paris...I'm sure Tahutmes went through Hebron afterwards...There are loads of interesting bits about Hebron that have no mention. A fundamental link to Egyptian/Cambyses Persian history and not a mention.....sorry I'm on the scatter gun approach (bits and pieces surface at odd moments) as there is much missing to the story of Hebron, make that all the cities towns of Palestine and Israel.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 15:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The pre Abraham cultic site of Mamre?....There are many areas of wiki that are in need of attention.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 08:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Genesis does a pretty good job of saying what it was about, so long as you read it, but not as a sacred text.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 13:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I've added a few bits to Mamre with details of it being a cultic fair up to constantine..... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 13:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure someone very close by said something along the lines of "one step at a time".... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 17:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
damn you're quick on the finger there.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 20:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey QD got anything on:- It is perhaps also where David reigned, as archaeological excavations show signs of towers and walls dating to the traditional times assigned to the Davidic kingdom and early monarchy
I can't find anything to substantiate it.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 21:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Had you just been reading this perchance when mentioning Mamre:-
Reconstructing the Past: The Creation of Jewish Sacred Space in the State of Israel, 1948–1967 Israel Studies - Volume 13, Number 3, Fall 2008, pp. 1-21
... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 16:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you are engaged in a slow-moving edit war with an anonymous IP editor at Shuafat. Your last 4 reverts have labeled the IP editor's actions as "vandalism', such as here. Please be advised that this is a content dispute, but most certainly not vandalism. You may be interested in reading WP:VANDALISM, specifically [Wikipedia:Vandalism#What is not vandalism|this section], which clearly says that NPOV violations (which this may possibly be), as well as stubbornness (which this clearly is), are NOT vandalism. Falsely accusing users of vandalism is a breach of civility. Please refrain from doing this. NoCal100 ( talk) 03:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
..I.e., wikilawyering. It is, again, not an edit-war. Have you never recovered from my correcting you on the distinction in English between 'flaunt' and 'flout'? Is it that which is behind this bickering at my heels over nugatory matters as you trail me about? Try to edit the encyclopedia for content, and not waste your own or my time pettifogging. Pimp on me if that's your fancy, play the wiki vigilante by stalking my edits, play the grass for this humongous infraction of wikipedian editorial practices, this calling a spade a spade of mine on a piece of trivial defacing of the Shuafat page that apparently threatens to bring down the I/P edifice in ruins if tolerated! You're splitting hairs on trivia over a minor page, and one asks, cui bono? Next time, just dob me in to the flics, and don't bore me with the details. This page is for collaborative dialogue on substance. Nishidani ( talk) 14:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) In my opinion, it's definitely a content dispute, not vandalism. WP:VAND says, "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism." I've added the page to my watchlist. I would appreciate it, Nishidani, if you would post to the article talk page a link or links to the earlier discussion where consensus was established, and to reliable sources if they're not adequately referenced in that discussion. Thanks. ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 16:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
List of villages that suddenly get moved into Israel when the Jerusalem boundary got moved? I do not believe such a list has been made.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 15:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Abu Tor, At-Tur, Beit Hanina-Shuafat, Beit Safafa, al-Issawiya, Sheikh Jarrah, Silwan, Arab A-Sawarha, Ras al-Amud and Wadi Hilweh, , Jabal Mukaber, Kafr 'Aqab, Shuafat Refugee Camp, Sur Baher, Wadi al-Joz, Umm Tuba
And a lot of gathering under the heading of Silwan... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 17:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting the error...the wee digits get out of control at times. I'm a useless typist but make up for it by being really slow.. The book list is the ones by the computer, upstairs has quite a few more....the U value of my walls has been greatly enhanced with the addition of a foot thick coating of paper... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 10:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, was hoping for your response, given the references, which I had not pursued. I will continue to follow Alfred’s’s approach. Our cast of mind is as naturally varied as our backgrounds; I’ve moved from hotter I/P subjects as being largely frustrating, wasted effort, but on occasion have some small change to add. The badge is accepted similarly, but spelled differently (a minor bias), and I feel a similar respect for the specific departed. I concur with your future path, having rung that bell twice. I seem to have developed my own niche, generally related to historic events and people and am, thus far, more content with the progress toward NPOV. I also added about 20 books for my esoteric library while stateside, as well as getting access to some document/article archives. I am more broadly prepared and potentially skillful,… but still cant type worth a damn. Regards, CasualObserver'48 ( talk) 11:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Nishidani I am seeking help in moving an article to a place that is alreay a redirrect to the article:
Caesarea Phillippi to Caesarea Philippi. where Caesarea Philippi is already a redirrect to Caesarea Phillippi. (the more common spelling is with a single L, 89,600:1,360 on google search)
who do I have to go to, to get it moved?.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 18:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
You commented recently on my talk page about Tundrabuggy's behaviour in wikistalking me on articles relating to ancient Babylonian history. Unfortunately he's continued this behaviour, having blown off all the comments and advice from others about his conduct. I've therefore raised the issue at WP:AN/I#User:Tundrabuggy. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. -- ChrisO ( talk) 20:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani! Thanks for the note :) I didn't think you noticed the RfA, but it's nice to know that apparently most users who worked with me here and there did. By the way, 'other side of the border'? I never caught where you lived. Can you tell or is it private information? Cheers, Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Please avoid
advertisement of your personal essays (read: justifications for terrorist activity and rants about "evil" Israel kills "civilians"). Keep these to yourself please, Wikipedia is
not facebook.
Cordially,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 14:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
NoCal100. This is not a threat. Merely a public record, to which I will add as the evidence firms.
First encounter. Eleland AN/I. Corrected said editor on the distinction between 'flaunt' and 'flout'. Fix the diffs tomorrow Off-hand then
Nafez Assaily (extremely rare page)
Shuafat
Palestine Liberation Organization
Can I also add
... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 15:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Draft
(1) I encountered
NoCal100 in an
AN/1 page discussion on Eleland, whose banning he supported. There I simply, en passant
corrected his confusion over the distinction in English between 'flaunt' and 'flout', since he used the former in the sense of the latter
(2) This trivial note appeared to seed a grievance. He
trailed me to the
Nafez Assaily page, which I wrote, and which the now banned
User :Einsteindonut had, as a measure of retaliation, but also for his own POV-pushing on I/P articles, just endeavoured to get deleted. Hardly anyone had looked at that page. It is only known to people who scour my page. Einsteindonut did so as to wipe out evidence of the existence of a Palestinian pacifist which I had documented.
(3)While reverting an anonymous I/P tagteam push to revert, without prior discussion or response to requests for discussion, on the
Shuafat page, which I have edited,
NoCal100,
turned up and posted a warning on my page admonishing me not to call their anonymous tagteam behaviour vandalism.
. He did not post any such message on the corresponding pages of the two anonymous I/P editors involved in the abuse, aside from confusing several facts. (See note a. below)
(4)
Palestine Liberation Organization
(5) A day after
Ashley kennedy3 asked me if I could go over an article he has worked extensively on, and I had, in reply to the request done a preliminary copy-edit on the first part, NoCal100 turns up and did a mass delete
Banias
Note (a) On Shuafat.
‘Shuafat is an Arab town within the borders of Israel as part of north-eastern Jerusalem' here
'Shuafat is a Palestinian town within the de facto borders of Israel as part of north-eastern Jerusalem'.
‘the latest such finds is a narrow strip of antiquity that runs down the middle of a main road through what is now Shuafat, a Palestinian neighborhood in north Jerusalem. . . . touching on one of the most contentious issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: the ownership of the city that the Israelis and Palestinians claim as their capital. . . The government expanded the city limits to take in outlying Palestinian villages like Shuafat, and annexed them. The Palestinians were offered Israeli citizenship, but considering themselves illegally occupied, most refused, choosing permanent residency . . most of the world do not recognize the annexation of East Jerusalem and other areas occupied in the 1967 war.’
Thanks for your comment. To make it clear -- or probably, more confused -- I would (reluctantly) accept the use of the term "Jewish terrorism" to describe the gang who attacked Bassam Shaka'a in 1980, since that was how they were widely described in the Hebrew press of the time (in order, presumably, to distinguish them from "Arab terrorists"). But this seriously distorts the political picture, and reinforces the mistaken view -- useful, however, to some -- that the conflict in Palestine is between religious communities, rather than beteween national communities or political ideologies.
But I would mainatin that this term is totally inappropriate for the situation before 1948, and indeed for most subsequent terrorism from the Israeli/Zionist side. Although Israel and the Zionist movement claim to be acting "in the name of the Jewish people", we do not have to accept this; and much of my life in the external world is devoted to combatting that very claim. Not all terrorism carried out by a Jew is "Jewish terrorism", just as not all crime committed by a Jew is "Jewish crime", and we have to be precise and careful in our use of terms.
In the same way, I am very unhappy with the blanket use of the term "Islamic terrorism" for many of the acts carried out apparently by Muslims. It is probably appropriate in the case of attacks on churches in Pakistan; but what about the attacks on Shi'ite mosques? And it is not, to my mind, at all appropriate in the case of armed attacks on foreign forces in Iraq; nor in the case of attacks, whether in the 1967-occupied territories or within the state of Israel. These -- irrespective of any debate about their legitimacy or illegitimacy -- are nationalist, not religious, attacks.
I am concerned, beyond my own political campaigning, that by adopting these terms we are actually in danger of miscategorising the phenomena they purport to define. And this would certainly be unencyclopaedic. Do think this through a bit further before you concur with this usage. RolandR ( talk) 20:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm including that IP address as part of a sockpuppet/checkuser request.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 22:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
One could do with one who has a bit more flare for writing to check over ones attempt at the Banias article. If one has a spare couple of minutes....Yes this one did check over ones corrections on Mamre. ... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 14:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Still working on post crusades to contemporary but just wanted a quick confirmation/feed back/ideas on the start...many Thanks... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 19:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
That's a capital O btw, not a zero. ;-) -- ChrisO ( talk) 23:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Nishidani, hi, is it alright if I setup an archivebot for your talkpage? The page is currently very long, over 350K, and some people's browsers start having trouble with anything over 32K. However, I could set up a bot which would automatically archive any threads which had been inactive for a certain amount of time (30 days?). Then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. Let me know? :) -- El on ka 03:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
... it's always been a pleasure reading your contributions. Didn't even occur to me to think of them as "offensive"! (Though maybe I'm feeling a bit grumpy this morning after a crap training session where my times were a lot worse than they should have been, dunno why).
-- NSH001 ( talk) 14:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Why wikipedia is a playground, where rules trump content
Adminstrators may formalize a ban. I take it as a protest strike in sympathy for consistent harassment of a very good editor. Nishidani ( talk) 18:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Nishidani... To me it looks like the complaints about ChrisO's userpage are not going to result in any sanction or deletion. Most of the administrators commenting in that section at AN/I are advocating no response for various reasons. ChrisO edits in controversial areas - some criticism on the part of people in opposing camps is de rigeur, but I'm not sure it rises to the level of harassment. Avruch T 18:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani. I was wondering if you had the time or inclination to look over a new article I am working on: Q-D-S. Considering your aptitude for languages, any input you may have on how to clarify or improve the text would be deeply appreciated. Hope you are well my friend. Tiamut talk 11:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, thanks for the offer (and the delivering) of help. I often go off to write these esoteric articles only very slightly and remotely related to Palestine so as to get away from the rough-and-tumble played at pages like Second Intifada. It was after all, an Arbcomm reccomendation. But it's always interesting to see who ends up pursuing me (or in this case maybe you) there. Too often the very same people I tend to be fleeing. Oh well.
Do keep your eye on things around here Nishidani. We need eyes that still know how to read, and brains that still know how to write around here quite badly. Take care my friend. Tiamut talk 17:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishi, I noticed that you have added books to the page User:Huldra/Sources, + my talk-page, thanks! However, you might have missed it, but user:Timeshifter was bold sometime ago, and copied the (old) page to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine/Sources (and linked it from the very top of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine). So, *that* is the page I am updating now (and yes, I have added your contributions.)
For Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine/Sources note especially two things: firstly; the list of places which now "collect" books on the net; see "Major sources to find old books listed." The last one that I found was University of Pennsylvania; those "collections" are *very* useful!
Secondly; not all of the old books are equally relevant (and *that* was a big understatement..) ..I try to find the most relevant by looking for those used in modern-time books.... therefore the list with Doumani, Khalidi etc. I also try to identify those books which are obviously important, and old enough to be publically available on the net (but still isn´t.) Baldensperger and Canaan`s "Mohammedan Saints" are two obvious examples.
Please feel free to add to the page! Regards, Huldra ( talk) 17:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Fyi, I have now added material from the end of the FAZ article you mentioned to the JIDF article. A JIDF rep is nit-picking. Also the Haaretz article which was mentioned as forthcoming in our thread here a couple of months back is now linked from the JIDF article-- Peter cohen ( talk) 18:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
For your notes about the etymology of kudos and your edits at Q-D-S. I'm sorry I did not take your earlier advice and stooped to using WP:AE, but his pestering has really been driving me nuts. I should just disengage, but he has a knack of getting involved where I am in the process of focusing my editing passions to spend endless bytes arguing over a link in the see also section. Its a pattern and it's exhausting and I'm not actually hopeful that it will change. I mean really, it's like high school [5]. He repeats the same stuff he's said all over the Talk:Q-D-S page, and his comments have nothing to do with the actual contents of the Al-Quds (disambiguation) page. He's like a boy in class pulling at my fucking braids, and I'm like the girl who went running off to tell the teacher. Anyway, I appreciate your interventions as always. Tiamut talk 00:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
It's a very challenging subject since I have only basic familiarity proto-Sinaitic and proto-Canaanite alphabets and roots (it's kind of a hobby of mine). But I do love learning more about it all. And article like Q-D-S and K-B-D (also a work in progress), certainly allow me to that.
Hope you are doing well my friend. Ciao for now. Tiamut talk 16:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
'On January 3, 1889, Nietzsche first exhibited apparent signs of mental illness. Two policemen approached him after he caused a public disturbance in the streets of Turin. What actually happened remains unknown, but the often-repeated tale states that Nietzsche witnessed the whipping of a horse at the other end of the Piazza Carlo Alberto, ran to the horse, threw his arms up around the horse’s neck to protect it, and collapsed to the ground.' Wikipedia
It's a sign of mental illness, apparently, to suffer excessively at certain sights.
At-Tuwani Reflection: Breaking Bread with Friends Janet Benvie 18 November 2008
[Note: According to the Geneva Conventions, the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and numerous United Nations resolutions, all Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories are illegal. Most settlement outposts are considered illegal under Israeli law.]
“I am sorry Janet, I will not be able to offer you tea and bread.” Khalil told me. “The settlers killed my donkey and took everything in the bag”,
We were sitting on Khoruba Hill, where we often sit with Khalil, a young Palestinian shepherd. Most days we accompany him as he makes his way over the hills with his flock and his donkey. The route from his home to Khoruba passes within sight of the illegal Israeli settler outpost of Havot Ma’on.. Each day he leads his sheep on paths where his father and grandfather walked, on land coveted by the settlers. As he leads his sheep he attentively watches for Israeli settlers or soldiers who regularly chase him off the land.
By mid morning, Khalil and his flock usually reach Khoruba. He will have left home around 6:00 am, so, by 11:00 am he is ready for lunch. The sheep, tired from their journey over the hills, mill around in small groups, many of them lie down in the warmth of the winter’s mid-day sun. Khalil gathers sticks for a fire and urges us to sit down, “Tfaddil” (‘please’ in Arabic) he says, indicating a place for us to sit. He makes a pot of traditional sweet Palestinian tea, and insists we share in his lunch of home made bread, olives and potato slices.
Today we were not, as usual, drinking tea and watching the sheep graze quietly. Today masked Israeli settlers chased Khalil and his flock, hurling rocks and yelling threats. Khalil was able to run to a place of safety with his flock, but watched helplessly as the settlers led his donkey away. The donkey was later found dead (stabbed in the chest) at the bottom of Khoruba Valley.
Khalil means 'friend' in Arabic. There is a sense of 'communion' sitting on the hillside sharing tea and breaking bread together with friends. In the midst of the brutal, senseless violence of the settlers our friend's thoughts turned to us, “I am sorry Janet, I will not be able to offer you tea and bread.”
Oh,it isn't something to apologise for. I was merelu pointing out that once the soapboxing was all done and dusted, the edit itself was easy to put in. It was always, for some of us, a matter of sourcing. The reason the Liberty page got so heated is, as you saw, people came in with an idea of The Truth but without the sources and as they were all new/SPA accounts, they ran straight into verifiability vs truth and had the usual (And totally understandable) reaction. One I had myself the first time I ran into it. -- Narson ~ Talk • 16:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with db's view, but I'm not worried about it right now. Q-D-S and K-B-D have been through the DYK process, there is a category for Category:Triconsonantal roots. If he wants to take them to AfD, he can, but I'm pretty sure they would survive. However, I'm going to put off developing any more such articles until I'm sure they will be safe. It's an awful lot of work to put it for nothing.
Thanks for letting me know though Nish. If you're interested in perusing some recent work, at Lajjun and Hittin, User:Al Ameer son, User:Huldra, and I have been having a jolly good time editing together. You're welcome to jump on in if you like. Both are going for DYK nominations, along with Nabi Shu'ayb. See you around my friend. Tiamut talk 16:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani, Thanks for the post. Unfortunately I'm not a great fan of the M-composer. So I don't recognise which aria you are talking about. What the JIDF make me think of is Beckmesser labouring on with the same own song and blaming Hans Sachs for his making a fool of himself. Alternatively, there is Mime:
On another matter, I wonder what will happen with the wielding of Morton's Fork. Oboler was quick to accuse me and you. But will he ackowledge the fundamental dodginess of the organisation he has praised in the past?-- Peter cohen ( talk) 22:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, being treated as a high priority in their attack page is praise. They say that I:
Well, yes. Of course Wikipedia should reference the attack page of a branch of the Meir Kahane fan-club.
In other words, I suggested we have an article on antisemitism 2.0.
It was on his grandson Wieland. But we can't expect the JIDF to have had a cultural education. And I added information on Wieland's links to Hitler and role in running a concentration camp.
Actually it was something to do with the Trojan War, but they probably don't count that.
Ah Yes [6] where I make the dreadful suggestion that Jews can be believers without believing in Jesus.
Mea culpa
mea maxima culpa
Well the JIDF probably don't think that Yitzhak Rabin was Jewish. That's why they support the people who shot him.
Ooh the ultimate insult. Actually, maybe they think that Rabin was self-hating and shooting him was a mercy killing.
How evil can I get. Anyway it's two of them and one steals my matzo. -- Peter cohen ( talk) 00:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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In Nazi Germany, the young idealists of the White Rose who spoke out against the racism and fascism of Hitler's regime paid the ultimate price - death by execution. Since America declared its "War on Terror", tens of thousands of Arabs and Muslims have died and millions have been made homeless. Concurrently, the threshold for racist commentary against these groups has never been higher. Indeed, without a discourse of dehumanization of the "enemy", such massive killing would never be tolerated, and so the few voices that rise up in protest, must be aggressively shot down. So this is to you Nishidani, for your humanity, candor, and care for your fellow human being, whether she/he be Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Bahai, atheist, etc., etc. While you may often feel like a voice in the wilderness, I hear that voice, and it warms my heart. May the chorus grow ever louder until the phrase "Never again" is one that protects us all. Tiamut talk 09:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Some time ago, you contributed to René Girard. If you are still reading about his work, I wonder if you could review the current article, which has changed a lot in the last few months. -- ChristopheS ( talk) 14:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Disclaimer.For potential wikistalkers, archivalists of net-trivia or the dyslexic, this is not a personal attack. It is a reconstruction, historical, textual and phenomenological, of the background to the warning posted on my page, which egregiously confounds what Jaakobou said of Tiamut's world, with what the administrator thinks I thought of Jaakobou's world. The syntax of these things is not equivocal, a child should see the error. None have, save Scarpia, and this has given me no alternative but to withdraw under protest at what looks like admin-shopping, poor judgement, and generally, an inability to read in sequence for content and logic. It is particularly distasteful for me that there is the appearance of an element of ethnic solidarity in this warning, and its follow-up. All men, not just some, are brothers, or we are all foreigners to one another. One clearly cannot work under such conditions. It is my subjective reconstruction of events, for the record, as I close my collaboration down. Those convinced that it is a 'personal attack' should either prove it to their peers' satisfaction by justifying and confirming Arthur Rubin's, to me, incomprehensible, misreading of the evidence, as I have responded to it on my page, or simply have the good sense to drop it, and allow me to wrap up two years work as, for once, I write in the manner that comes naturally, and not in the contorted prose elicited by arbcom bickering and wikilexic constraints. This was intended for my records, not for snoopers with a malign taste for distracting wikipedians from their proper task, editing.
I saw
a woman in distress, and ran
To lend a hand as
manners say one ought.
A
marginal, to boot, and any man
Would do the same, at least
that’s how I thought.
The case came up
before the usual court,
A jury thronged with allies, as each clan
Mustered sympathies, and grievance sought
To sway the verdict -‘innocent’ or ‘ban’.
Most
evidence suggested she was right,
Had clearly reason to be frightened when
An
old antagonist lumbered into sight.
‘Only to fix her work now, gentlemen’,
Was his defence. ‘It’s rather botched with
spite.
And all I did was wield a
red-inked
pen’.
But more than
evidence, the
chat between
The
jurymen and
judges won the day.
‘
Things are very rarely what they seem',
‘
The law is rather vague, read either way'.
‘Neither party’s really coming clean’.
‘That
asshole Nishidani,’s come to
bray'.
‘The fellow in the dock looks pretty keen’.
‘The plaintiff’s cute, despite
her background, ay’!
No verdict passed, the
court declined the case.
Things stayed the same,
the way they always will,
For that’s the way
the law works
in that place.
The accused sighed in relief: ‘It beats me still
Why I was charged. I’ve
zip against her race,
Or faith, you know. Dja take me for a
dill'?
Nishi heard the
quip while loitering there.
The words struck up a
chord. He
racked his
brain.
And like a rat that rummages down a drain,
Snuffling cheesy scents in the fetid air,
He
dawdled through the
nooks of
memory lane
Foraging for the
spoor his
native
flair
Had twigged would show these words, so
doctrinaire,
Belied the truth, or went
against the grain.
He finally found what he was looking for:
That old offence against the
woman’s pride
When told
her world was racist to the core.
And dropped a note, before those starry-eyed
Defenders of the accused, that long before
He’d written words whose sense
he now denied.
The point was just to hint that he should take
More care in
barging in when she’s about,
Some
balm of tact to
bury any doubt
His
whilom enmity was on the make.
It’s true he’d
scrubbed some words, a
wikitrout
Was slapped his way, and
made him take a break.
Infringement of
the principle at stake
Was duly punished: Justice
showed its
clout.
He thought the sanction harsh, but wore the rap.
Made no retraction of his private views.
Though ‘’possibly’ offensive, all this flap
Ran in the face of
commonsense:
the news
Confirmed that what he’d said was hardly
crap:
That Arabs terrorize and
hate
the Jews.
The
news indeed. It really did not matter
-
Five days and 1900 ‘’
Pallies’’ shot -
The
IDF just wanted them to
scatter
Instead of
hanging round, like
flies to swat.
What
harm was there in
Ariel
Sharon’s
trot
Around their
mosque? Despite the Arab patter,
It was the
Temple Mount, and, yes, the latter
Was
Jewish long before they lost the plot.
Their lack of understanding was at fault.
The failure to accept these prior claims
In
Bible
writ was
racist, their
revolt
Pure terror in pursuit of
terror’s aims:
Fling stones at soldiers and they’ll shoot the bolt
Take aim, and make you suffer for their pains.
No use of course to murmur that,
these days,
To fire on unarmed crowds provokes their
hate.
It may remind the
older of
Kent State,
Of
Rotes Wien or
Sharpeville in some ways,
But
parallels
distort, they
irritate.
They blur distinctions, for, to coin a phrase,
The Arab Mind is
twisted like a maze:
Respect for
force, not law,’s their
native trait.
One puts them down as one puts down a
dog
Unless it cringes, and their honour code
Yields,
and they recur to type - the
wog.
Unfortunately their
bad hats scorn the
goad,
Fire back,
wire up as human bombs, or lob
Fierce rocks at tanks that crush
kids on a road.
Thus
Nish mulled over ironies, musing on
The
quixotries of rulings case by case.
The
Kantian dispensation’s now undone,
Critique of Judgement's wholly out of place.
For, even though the
world's wide markets hum
With
rhetoric's
global
yawp, few now keep pace
With logic's sheer
extension over space
When men are asked to make their ethics one.
Tribal lore still wields its potent sway.
And,
hunkered down in
bolt-holes of belief
Each vaunts his own as having won the day,
And proves his
brother’s keeper,
thug or
thief,
Against all
claims a
foreign justice may
Assert are higher than mere
kinship’s
brief.
Autumn’s brindling light on leaves that lay
Veined porphyry mosaics around his yard:
The winter robins skipping on the gnarred
Pine trunks in his garden: red on grey;
The valley haze from burnoffs underway
Beneath the utter azure: at night the starred
Velvet-plushy heaven: the boulevard
Still in its poignant Roman-sweet decay
Gave Nishidani pause throughout the week:
Why waste two summers arguing with those deaf
Who cannot hear but dearly love to speak?
‘Their object’s not objective, but, en bref,
To whinge as victors while they gag the weak:
When others grieve, they couldn’t give an eff’.
Deaf to a purpose though. They edit wiki
After months of mugging up the rules.
They don’t know much – think those who do are fools-
The game’s to make all clear-cut facts look tricky.
When ethnic interests are at risk their tools
- Attrition,
NPA, being ultra-picky
On evidence that’s strong and hardly dicky –
Grind down
the patience of the toughest
mules.(n.1)
Exquisitely urbane, they wipe the slate
Of everything that bears upon a page
Yet contradicts the image they'd create
With their own work, to tilt our ruthless age
Towards one version of events, and state
One nation’s narrative at centre stage.
n.1 lectio varia
Wear out the patent
soles of papal
mules.
These meditations took our man away
From hourly supervision of his screen,
The lists to watch, the mess one had to clean
Lest minions of poor editing had their way.
The air outside turned ominously keen
Chill winter hove up as the clouds loomed grey.
He left off pruning, thought hé’d rejoin the fray
And do his bit to help the wiki scene.
And found a warning he’d be blocked just if
He did as he had done before, remind
The accused of past intolerance with a diff.
A 'random' admin had made up his mind
That
he’d transgressed, had tried to stir a tiff
In asking
Jaakobou to be more kind.
Puzzled, he clicked around to find some trace
Of how this odd monition came about.
No admin had expressed the slightest doubt
When Nish ran up that diff to make his case.
Sure, Jaakobou had feinted with a pout
That cried offence and hinted at disgrace.
This drew no comment though, for, on the face
Of it, he'd clearly got things arse-about.
Two days had flown, as, lulled to drop his guard
Our man took off some time to work outside.
But meantime someone else had worked quite hard
To sound authorities out, who might decide
To overturn the case, and play a card
That trumped the plaintiff's lawyer, and her pride.
A casual or careless eye won’t sift
A lengthy thread to grasp the rockhard gist,
But check a diff or two: the rest is missed
As contexts drop, and meaning gets short shrift.
Jaakobou had framed things as if miffed
That Nishi’s post made him, a
Zionist,
A heir to racist terror - a clever twist
On words bestowed on
T as
a German gift.
Thus five hours on, our
Rubin
made his call,
Saw in the words a personal attack
On Jaakobou, as though hé’d copped a maul,
Not Tiamut, and her lawyer took the flack
For slights he had the
hide to try and stall
By asking Jaak to take just one step back.
Had Jaak then admin-shopped to settle scores,
Emailed off line to canvass for some friend
To challenge a consensus and contend
That Nishi’s nudge had opened up old sores?
There’s evidence that he’s been known to spend
His energies in getting round the laws
By phoning those whose profiles give due cause
For thinking they might favour his own end.
The point cannot be proved, the pattern though
Suggests once more his charm off-line had won
The outcome that he wanted, strike a blow
To muzzle those he thought were out to gun
For him, by using diffs that tend to show
His I/P editor's cred was less than none.
In the little ballad you are writing in your user space you have continued to attack other editors- accusing (without evidence, as you concede) Jaakobu of forum shopping, off-wiki canvassing etc... Even without those thinly veiled personal attacks, the use of user space for that purpose is questionable - but with those attacks it is has become an attack page. Please remove that ballad, and take it somewhere else. NoCal100 ( talk) 16:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I added a comment underneath something somebody else had written in Archive 7, then realised that it was incorrect to do so. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 11:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
It wasn’t helpful that, as Nishi fought
To have the warning cancelled, others came
In ethnic solidarity to sustain
The twisted logic of this patent tort.
.
Stop attacking an other user's talk page with insults, if you do not want to be blocked forever i would suggest that you let it go and forget it. I saw what happens to wiki-stalkers and you don't want that to happen to you, no one wants it. Elbutler ( talk) 21:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
A userspace page of yours is being discussed here on WP:ANI. Apparently the user who started the thread hasn't informed you. Bishonen | talk 22:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC).
- Have you come across the online George Orwell resource? I particularly like the article 'Notes on Nationalism'. Although it focuses on nationalism in the United Kingdom at the end of the Second World War, I think it says important and useful things about current Wiki Nationalists. Judging by the quote on your user page, you're a fellow fan of 'Life and Fate'? -- ZScarpia ( talk) 17:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I understand that the young whippersnaps who quickly pass judgement without diving in deeper to understand from whence your poetic inspiration emerged, can quickly cause offense to one with your fine sensibilities. But you should not let style win out over substance, or politicking over principle, by simply withdrawing. Of course, you are free to pursue greener pastures in the real world, tending to your garden and other living things, but your interventions here remain appreciated, no matter how many inane warnings are pasted to your page. Anyway my friend, I hope that this is not the end. Kisses and best wishes, Tiamut talk 15:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Really. Tiamut talk 00:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
As a fan of Wikipedia based poetry and a proponent of content resolution through poetic verse, I would like to compliment you on your choice of expression. Way to class things up around here. :) Ottava Rima ( talk) 16:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Nishidani. Thanks for the links. I told RolandR I'll de downloading Real player tonight so I can lsiten to what he's appended as well. I hope you are doing well and that your research is moving forward nicely. If you ever need any help, I am a professional copy editor in real life (from time to time), and would be happy to take a gander at any drafts. I hope you enjoy the holidays with you and yours. Tiamut talk 14:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Just in case I'm blocked over the Christmas period, I shall take this chance to wish you all the best for Christmas and the New year... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 17:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll put it here to keep your page clean of extrenous detail.
Thanks for the advice... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 21:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Heyo Nishidani,
Please comment on content, not on fellow editors (per
this comment).
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 19:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
It wasn’t helpful that, as Nishi fought
To have the warning cancelled, others came
In ethnic solidarity to sustain
The twisted logic of this patent tort.
Cooperation’s our avowéd aim
That means: we don’t coordinate a rort,
Nor play
Big Leaguers in a minor sport
To hurl fast
spitballs in a crooked game.
A level playing field is what we seek
Where scales fall off our umpires’ eyes as they
Renounce their hometown bias to critique
The way both teams behave, this game they play
Whose aim is not to score against some clique
But teach the world to read objectively.
To read itself, in short, in neutral terms,
By fóllowing a móde of dráfting, taut and flat,
Embracing all perspectives, one that earns
Man’s trust in wiki, shorn of caveat.
The academy’s, for instance, which still spurns
This project as a hinky bag of chat
Where freaks of learning have to chew the fat
With dingbats full of mission and ‘concerns’.
‘Concerns’ that often voice some ancient beef-
Fringe-national perspectives, tribal cant
In rival powers that give each other grief
And spill their rancour, as their stooges rant,
Split hairs, revert, and niggle, write a brief
And woo some admins to embrace their slant.
‘Attack? That’s quite off the point.
Though saying this may disappoint.
While clearing one’s nose
Gets up others’, I s’pose,
They shouldn’t feel theirs’ out of joint.
The aim of the exercise, friend,
Is to tidy my page, put an end
To my help offered here
No loss -, it’s small beer –
As many opponents contend.
To withdraw’s a betrayal I fear
Of so many editors here,
Who work to a rule
And mostly keep cool,
And are paid with a kick up the rear.
They’re young, though: I’m getting on.
And they’ll bear up now that I’m gone.
Yet I feel that I owe
More than just ‘Cheerio’
To explain my I’m tired of the con.
Í was attacked, not the other,
While helping a lass, not my ‘mother’,
As several impute
Is what’s at the root
Of my sense of due etiquette, brother.
As I tie up loose ends, be so kind
To enjoy my
repaste, where you'll find
A good
noCal
diet
(Though he'll never buy it)
And the host will depart when you've dined
Being a stickler for details, I
Feel it proper when casting the die
To explain my withdrawal
To the ghost of
George Orwell
Whose
Newspeak is winning, goodbye.
As I am quite sure you are my friend. The number of dead has surpassed 418 now and those wounded over 2000, and it's only been six days. Six days of hell during the holidays to commemorate Christ's birth. Oh the irony!
I was in Bethlehem for Christmas Eve. It was terrible. Everyone was depressed over the siege on Gaza (the bombbardments had not yet started in earnest). The wall, the checkpoints and then because Abu Mazen was there, there were hundreds of his personal police everywhere carrying guns. A man who thinks he is more important than the whole of the Palestinian people and their 60 year struggle for self-determination is not worthy of such protection. A Palestinian Karzai is all he is.
Nazareth is boiling over what is happening in Gaza. There have been at least two demonstrations so far and tens of arrests. Helicopters hovered over the city for hours a couple days ago and again last night. This region is heading for an all-out war, of that I am quite sure now. I'm not afraid. We lived through the 2006 war and I hope we'll live through this one too, though I don't fear death. To me, there is nothing worse than injustice and indignity.
And now I'd like to share some special and dark Palestinian humor with you from a Palestinian in Gaza who writes that he received a text message on New Year's that said:
"Look outside, F-16s are smiling at you, missiles are dancing for you, drones are singing for you, because I requested them all to wish you Happy New Year."
I hope that the people are smiling, the trees dancing, and the birds singing where you are my friend. Because I asked them to wish you a Happy New Year. Tiamut talk 20:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Your mind would be highly appreciated on the talk page of this article. Thx. Ceedjee ( talk) 22:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, and don't mind the soapboxing, I started it after all. Of course you are correct in everything you said. I didn't mean to say that such things never happen, specifically not in IDF, as history proves otherwise. As a former IDF officer I am shameful of inceidents such as the kfar Kassem massacre. This is why I said that such things are not IDF POLICY, and contradict every single word in the IDF's rules of engagement. They do happen, but they are not policy. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about that, and maybe my greatest mistake was to take it personally. Cheers-- Omrim ( talk) 22:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
hi, as a releatively new wikipedian i have made some tactical errors - ie. making lucid arguments and offering respect while being belittled and accused of soap, pov pushing, and being a sockppupet!
i'm sure you are busy on things that actually matter, but i saw your username on the talk page of an article i am trying to make better and i thought you could offer me some advice.
self hating jew is the page and i m having trouble with user- malcolm schosha.
if you have a chance t look at the talk page and history let me know what you think.
thanks Untwirl ( talk) 18:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thank you so much for your thoughtful response. i apologize if i seemed to be canvassing, i hadn't read that rule, and i think votestacking seems to be the one that applies here, although i believe it was done against me and got me in this! :) and i actually was just seeking advice - which you have given generously - and not trying to get you roped into that discussion. i should familiarize myself with more rules as well. i see now that "seeking fellow editors " implies much more than i meant to, esp considering you are the only one i sent this to! i will try follow your example and i think i will seek a mentor as well. thanks again, and good luck with that page.
Untwirl (
talk) 20:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that... Even though I'm respecting your concrete arguments about regarding the Zeitoun issue, I can't understand what you mean when saying "This in any case is not a moral problem for you. It's a legal problem for the IDF". If the story is true, of course it is a moral problem for me as an Israeli. During WW2 most Germans seemed to have no "moral problem" with what their army was doing and the result, well... we know it. So the bottom line is that (again, if it turns out to be true) I MUST have a moral problem with it, just as I expect moral pro-Palestinian people to have moral problems with suicide bombers who specifically target civilians, or with Palestinian gunmen who shoot kids in the head from point blank. If I don't have a problem with IDF soldiers shooting Palestinian kids, and you don't have a moral problem with Palestinian gunmen shooting Israeli kids, we just might as well let the fight go on until the last man is left standing. See you back on at the talk page.-- Omrim ( talk) 01:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
'Le bon historien, lui, ressemble à l’ogre de la légende. Là où il flaire la chair humaine, il sait que là est son gibier.’(A fine historian'ssomeone who bears comparison to the ogres of legend, he knows, when he catches the scent of human flesh, that there's the game he'll prey on)
Nishandi, I've responded to your comments on my talk page. I'm not greatly accustomed to wiki's conversation forum ("talk pages") and find them an awkward way of communicating. So, I don't know what the etiquette is regarding continuing conversations. I assume that they occur on one page whereever the initial comments were posted (mine). Thrylos000 ( talk) 20:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
(1) Tundrabuggy believes Jews, collectively, constitute 1% of the world's Muslim population
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How come we haven't got anything on Tahutmes III raid on Hebron XXVII dynasty (Time of Joseph's famine).. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 23:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Not Thutmose (sixth Pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty), Tahutmes III (XXVII dynasty) they are different Tahutmes well attested raid throughout Palestine gold bowl in Paris about taking Jaffa in the raid. Tahutmes was a vassal of the Assyrians... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 11:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I suddenly thought hang on what about that golden bowl in Paris...I'm sure Tahutmes went through Hebron afterwards...There are loads of interesting bits about Hebron that have no mention. A fundamental link to Egyptian/Cambyses Persian history and not a mention.....sorry I'm on the scatter gun approach (bits and pieces surface at odd moments) as there is much missing to the story of Hebron, make that all the cities towns of Palestine and Israel.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 15:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The pre Abraham cultic site of Mamre?....There are many areas of wiki that are in need of attention.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 08:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Genesis does a pretty good job of saying what it was about, so long as you read it, but not as a sacred text.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 13:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I've added a few bits to Mamre with details of it being a cultic fair up to constantine..... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 13:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure someone very close by said something along the lines of "one step at a time".... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 17:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
damn you're quick on the finger there.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 20:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey QD got anything on:- It is perhaps also where David reigned, as archaeological excavations show signs of towers and walls dating to the traditional times assigned to the Davidic kingdom and early monarchy
I can't find anything to substantiate it.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 21:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Had you just been reading this perchance when mentioning Mamre:-
Reconstructing the Past: The Creation of Jewish Sacred Space in the State of Israel, 1948–1967 Israel Studies - Volume 13, Number 3, Fall 2008, pp. 1-21
... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 16:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you are engaged in a slow-moving edit war with an anonymous IP editor at Shuafat. Your last 4 reverts have labeled the IP editor's actions as "vandalism', such as here. Please be advised that this is a content dispute, but most certainly not vandalism. You may be interested in reading WP:VANDALISM, specifically [Wikipedia:Vandalism#What is not vandalism|this section], which clearly says that NPOV violations (which this may possibly be), as well as stubbornness (which this clearly is), are NOT vandalism. Falsely accusing users of vandalism is a breach of civility. Please refrain from doing this. NoCal100 ( talk) 03:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
..I.e., wikilawyering. It is, again, not an edit-war. Have you never recovered from my correcting you on the distinction in English between 'flaunt' and 'flout'? Is it that which is behind this bickering at my heels over nugatory matters as you trail me about? Try to edit the encyclopedia for content, and not waste your own or my time pettifogging. Pimp on me if that's your fancy, play the wiki vigilante by stalking my edits, play the grass for this humongous infraction of wikipedian editorial practices, this calling a spade a spade of mine on a piece of trivial defacing of the Shuafat page that apparently threatens to bring down the I/P edifice in ruins if tolerated! You're splitting hairs on trivia over a minor page, and one asks, cui bono? Next time, just dob me in to the flics, and don't bore me with the details. This page is for collaborative dialogue on substance. Nishidani ( talk) 14:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) In my opinion, it's definitely a content dispute, not vandalism. WP:VAND says, "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism." I've added the page to my watchlist. I would appreciate it, Nishidani, if you would post to the article talk page a link or links to the earlier discussion where consensus was established, and to reliable sources if they're not adequately referenced in that discussion. Thanks. ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 16:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
List of villages that suddenly get moved into Israel when the Jerusalem boundary got moved? I do not believe such a list has been made.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 15:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Abu Tor, At-Tur, Beit Hanina-Shuafat, Beit Safafa, al-Issawiya, Sheikh Jarrah, Silwan, Arab A-Sawarha, Ras al-Amud and Wadi Hilweh, , Jabal Mukaber, Kafr 'Aqab, Shuafat Refugee Camp, Sur Baher, Wadi al-Joz, Umm Tuba
And a lot of gathering under the heading of Silwan... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 17:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting the error...the wee digits get out of control at times. I'm a useless typist but make up for it by being really slow.. The book list is the ones by the computer, upstairs has quite a few more....the U value of my walls has been greatly enhanced with the addition of a foot thick coating of paper... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 10:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, was hoping for your response, given the references, which I had not pursued. I will continue to follow Alfred’s’s approach. Our cast of mind is as naturally varied as our backgrounds; I’ve moved from hotter I/P subjects as being largely frustrating, wasted effort, but on occasion have some small change to add. The badge is accepted similarly, but spelled differently (a minor bias), and I feel a similar respect for the specific departed. I concur with your future path, having rung that bell twice. I seem to have developed my own niche, generally related to historic events and people and am, thus far, more content with the progress toward NPOV. I also added about 20 books for my esoteric library while stateside, as well as getting access to some document/article archives. I am more broadly prepared and potentially skillful,… but still cant type worth a damn. Regards, CasualObserver'48 ( talk) 11:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Nishidani I am seeking help in moving an article to a place that is alreay a redirrect to the article:
Caesarea Phillippi to Caesarea Philippi. where Caesarea Philippi is already a redirrect to Caesarea Phillippi. (the more common spelling is with a single L, 89,600:1,360 on google search)
who do I have to go to, to get it moved?.... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 18:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
You commented recently on my talk page about Tundrabuggy's behaviour in wikistalking me on articles relating to ancient Babylonian history. Unfortunately he's continued this behaviour, having blown off all the comments and advice from others about his conduct. I've therefore raised the issue at WP:AN/I#User:Tundrabuggy. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. -- ChrisO ( talk) 20:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani! Thanks for the note :) I didn't think you noticed the RfA, but it's nice to know that apparently most users who worked with me here and there did. By the way, 'other side of the border'? I never caught where you lived. Can you tell or is it private information? Cheers, Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Please avoid
advertisement of your personal essays (read: justifications for terrorist activity and rants about "evil" Israel kills "civilians"). Keep these to yourself please, Wikipedia is
not facebook.
Cordially,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 14:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
NoCal100. This is not a threat. Merely a public record, to which I will add as the evidence firms.
First encounter. Eleland AN/I. Corrected said editor on the distinction between 'flaunt' and 'flout'. Fix the diffs tomorrow Off-hand then
Nafez Assaily (extremely rare page)
Shuafat
Palestine Liberation Organization
Can I also add
... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 15:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Draft
(1) I encountered
NoCal100 in an
AN/1 page discussion on Eleland, whose banning he supported. There I simply, en passant
corrected his confusion over the distinction in English between 'flaunt' and 'flout', since he used the former in the sense of the latter
(2) This trivial note appeared to seed a grievance. He
trailed me to the
Nafez Assaily page, which I wrote, and which the now banned
User :Einsteindonut had, as a measure of retaliation, but also for his own POV-pushing on I/P articles, just endeavoured to get deleted. Hardly anyone had looked at that page. It is only known to people who scour my page. Einsteindonut did so as to wipe out evidence of the existence of a Palestinian pacifist which I had documented.
(3)While reverting an anonymous I/P tagteam push to revert, without prior discussion or response to requests for discussion, on the
Shuafat page, which I have edited,
NoCal100,
turned up and posted a warning on my page admonishing me not to call their anonymous tagteam behaviour vandalism.
. He did not post any such message on the corresponding pages of the two anonymous I/P editors involved in the abuse, aside from confusing several facts. (See note a. below)
(4)
Palestine Liberation Organization
(5) A day after
Ashley kennedy3 asked me if I could go over an article he has worked extensively on, and I had, in reply to the request done a preliminary copy-edit on the first part, NoCal100 turns up and did a mass delete
Banias
Note (a) On Shuafat.
‘Shuafat is an Arab town within the borders of Israel as part of north-eastern Jerusalem' here
'Shuafat is a Palestinian town within the de facto borders of Israel as part of north-eastern Jerusalem'.
‘the latest such finds is a narrow strip of antiquity that runs down the middle of a main road through what is now Shuafat, a Palestinian neighborhood in north Jerusalem. . . . touching on one of the most contentious issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: the ownership of the city that the Israelis and Palestinians claim as their capital. . . The government expanded the city limits to take in outlying Palestinian villages like Shuafat, and annexed them. The Palestinians were offered Israeli citizenship, but considering themselves illegally occupied, most refused, choosing permanent residency . . most of the world do not recognize the annexation of East Jerusalem and other areas occupied in the 1967 war.’
Thanks for your comment. To make it clear -- or probably, more confused -- I would (reluctantly) accept the use of the term "Jewish terrorism" to describe the gang who attacked Bassam Shaka'a in 1980, since that was how they were widely described in the Hebrew press of the time (in order, presumably, to distinguish them from "Arab terrorists"). But this seriously distorts the political picture, and reinforces the mistaken view -- useful, however, to some -- that the conflict in Palestine is between religious communities, rather than beteween national communities or political ideologies.
But I would mainatin that this term is totally inappropriate for the situation before 1948, and indeed for most subsequent terrorism from the Israeli/Zionist side. Although Israel and the Zionist movement claim to be acting "in the name of the Jewish people", we do not have to accept this; and much of my life in the external world is devoted to combatting that very claim. Not all terrorism carried out by a Jew is "Jewish terrorism", just as not all crime committed by a Jew is "Jewish crime", and we have to be precise and careful in our use of terms.
In the same way, I am very unhappy with the blanket use of the term "Islamic terrorism" for many of the acts carried out apparently by Muslims. It is probably appropriate in the case of attacks on churches in Pakistan; but what about the attacks on Shi'ite mosques? And it is not, to my mind, at all appropriate in the case of armed attacks on foreign forces in Iraq; nor in the case of attacks, whether in the 1967-occupied territories or within the state of Israel. These -- irrespective of any debate about their legitimacy or illegitimacy -- are nationalist, not religious, attacks.
I am concerned, beyond my own political campaigning, that by adopting these terms we are actually in danger of miscategorising the phenomena they purport to define. And this would certainly be unencyclopaedic. Do think this through a bit further before you concur with this usage. RolandR ( talk) 20:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm including that IP address as part of a sockpuppet/checkuser request.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 22:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
One could do with one who has a bit more flare for writing to check over ones attempt at the Banias article. If one has a spare couple of minutes....Yes this one did check over ones corrections on Mamre. ... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 14:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Still working on post crusades to contemporary but just wanted a quick confirmation/feed back/ideas on the start...many Thanks... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 19:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
That's a capital O btw, not a zero. ;-) -- ChrisO ( talk) 23:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Nishidani, hi, is it alright if I setup an archivebot for your talkpage? The page is currently very long, over 350K, and some people's browsers start having trouble with anything over 32K. However, I could set up a bot which would automatically archive any threads which had been inactive for a certain amount of time (30 days?). Then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. Let me know? :) -- El on ka 03:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
... it's always been a pleasure reading your contributions. Didn't even occur to me to think of them as "offensive"! (Though maybe I'm feeling a bit grumpy this morning after a crap training session where my times were a lot worse than they should have been, dunno why).
-- NSH001 ( talk) 14:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Why wikipedia is a playground, where rules trump content
Adminstrators may formalize a ban. I take it as a protest strike in sympathy for consistent harassment of a very good editor. Nishidani ( talk) 18:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Nishidani... To me it looks like the complaints about ChrisO's userpage are not going to result in any sanction or deletion. Most of the administrators commenting in that section at AN/I are advocating no response for various reasons. ChrisO edits in controversial areas - some criticism on the part of people in opposing camps is de rigeur, but I'm not sure it rises to the level of harassment. Avruch T 18:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani. I was wondering if you had the time or inclination to look over a new article I am working on: Q-D-S. Considering your aptitude for languages, any input you may have on how to clarify or improve the text would be deeply appreciated. Hope you are well my friend. Tiamut talk 11:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, thanks for the offer (and the delivering) of help. I often go off to write these esoteric articles only very slightly and remotely related to Palestine so as to get away from the rough-and-tumble played at pages like Second Intifada. It was after all, an Arbcomm reccomendation. But it's always interesting to see who ends up pursuing me (or in this case maybe you) there. Too often the very same people I tend to be fleeing. Oh well.
Do keep your eye on things around here Nishidani. We need eyes that still know how to read, and brains that still know how to write around here quite badly. Take care my friend. Tiamut talk 17:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishi, I noticed that you have added books to the page User:Huldra/Sources, + my talk-page, thanks! However, you might have missed it, but user:Timeshifter was bold sometime ago, and copied the (old) page to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine/Sources (and linked it from the very top of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine). So, *that* is the page I am updating now (and yes, I have added your contributions.)
For Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine/Sources note especially two things: firstly; the list of places which now "collect" books on the net; see "Major sources to find old books listed." The last one that I found was University of Pennsylvania; those "collections" are *very* useful!
Secondly; not all of the old books are equally relevant (and *that* was a big understatement..) ..I try to find the most relevant by looking for those used in modern-time books.... therefore the list with Doumani, Khalidi etc. I also try to identify those books which are obviously important, and old enough to be publically available on the net (but still isn´t.) Baldensperger and Canaan`s "Mohammedan Saints" are two obvious examples.
Please feel free to add to the page! Regards, Huldra ( talk) 17:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Fyi, I have now added material from the end of the FAZ article you mentioned to the JIDF article. A JIDF rep is nit-picking. Also the Haaretz article which was mentioned as forthcoming in our thread here a couple of months back is now linked from the JIDF article-- Peter cohen ( talk) 18:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
For your notes about the etymology of kudos and your edits at Q-D-S. I'm sorry I did not take your earlier advice and stooped to using WP:AE, but his pestering has really been driving me nuts. I should just disengage, but he has a knack of getting involved where I am in the process of focusing my editing passions to spend endless bytes arguing over a link in the see also section. Its a pattern and it's exhausting and I'm not actually hopeful that it will change. I mean really, it's like high school [5]. He repeats the same stuff he's said all over the Talk:Q-D-S page, and his comments have nothing to do with the actual contents of the Al-Quds (disambiguation) page. He's like a boy in class pulling at my fucking braids, and I'm like the girl who went running off to tell the teacher. Anyway, I appreciate your interventions as always. Tiamut talk 00:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
It's a very challenging subject since I have only basic familiarity proto-Sinaitic and proto-Canaanite alphabets and roots (it's kind of a hobby of mine). But I do love learning more about it all. And article like Q-D-S and K-B-D (also a work in progress), certainly allow me to that.
Hope you are doing well my friend. Ciao for now. Tiamut talk 16:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
'On January 3, 1889, Nietzsche first exhibited apparent signs of mental illness. Two policemen approached him after he caused a public disturbance in the streets of Turin. What actually happened remains unknown, but the often-repeated tale states that Nietzsche witnessed the whipping of a horse at the other end of the Piazza Carlo Alberto, ran to the horse, threw his arms up around the horse’s neck to protect it, and collapsed to the ground.' Wikipedia
It's a sign of mental illness, apparently, to suffer excessively at certain sights.
At-Tuwani Reflection: Breaking Bread with Friends Janet Benvie 18 November 2008
[Note: According to the Geneva Conventions, the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and numerous United Nations resolutions, all Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories are illegal. Most settlement outposts are considered illegal under Israeli law.]
“I am sorry Janet, I will not be able to offer you tea and bread.” Khalil told me. “The settlers killed my donkey and took everything in the bag”,
We were sitting on Khoruba Hill, where we often sit with Khalil, a young Palestinian shepherd. Most days we accompany him as he makes his way over the hills with his flock and his donkey. The route from his home to Khoruba passes within sight of the illegal Israeli settler outpost of Havot Ma’on.. Each day he leads his sheep on paths where his father and grandfather walked, on land coveted by the settlers. As he leads his sheep he attentively watches for Israeli settlers or soldiers who regularly chase him off the land.
By mid morning, Khalil and his flock usually reach Khoruba. He will have left home around 6:00 am, so, by 11:00 am he is ready for lunch. The sheep, tired from their journey over the hills, mill around in small groups, many of them lie down in the warmth of the winter’s mid-day sun. Khalil gathers sticks for a fire and urges us to sit down, “Tfaddil” (‘please’ in Arabic) he says, indicating a place for us to sit. He makes a pot of traditional sweet Palestinian tea, and insists we share in his lunch of home made bread, olives and potato slices.
Today we were not, as usual, drinking tea and watching the sheep graze quietly. Today masked Israeli settlers chased Khalil and his flock, hurling rocks and yelling threats. Khalil was able to run to a place of safety with his flock, but watched helplessly as the settlers led his donkey away. The donkey was later found dead (stabbed in the chest) at the bottom of Khoruba Valley.
Khalil means 'friend' in Arabic. There is a sense of 'communion' sitting on the hillside sharing tea and breaking bread together with friends. In the midst of the brutal, senseless violence of the settlers our friend's thoughts turned to us, “I am sorry Janet, I will not be able to offer you tea and bread.”
Oh,it isn't something to apologise for. I was merelu pointing out that once the soapboxing was all done and dusted, the edit itself was easy to put in. It was always, for some of us, a matter of sourcing. The reason the Liberty page got so heated is, as you saw, people came in with an idea of The Truth but without the sources and as they were all new/SPA accounts, they ran straight into verifiability vs truth and had the usual (And totally understandable) reaction. One I had myself the first time I ran into it. -- Narson ~ Talk • 16:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with db's view, but I'm not worried about it right now. Q-D-S and K-B-D have been through the DYK process, there is a category for Category:Triconsonantal roots. If he wants to take them to AfD, he can, but I'm pretty sure they would survive. However, I'm going to put off developing any more such articles until I'm sure they will be safe. It's an awful lot of work to put it for nothing.
Thanks for letting me know though Nish. If you're interested in perusing some recent work, at Lajjun and Hittin, User:Al Ameer son, User:Huldra, and I have been having a jolly good time editing together. You're welcome to jump on in if you like. Both are going for DYK nominations, along with Nabi Shu'ayb. See you around my friend. Tiamut talk 16:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani, Thanks for the post. Unfortunately I'm not a great fan of the M-composer. So I don't recognise which aria you are talking about. What the JIDF make me think of is Beckmesser labouring on with the same own song and blaming Hans Sachs for his making a fool of himself. Alternatively, there is Mime:
On another matter, I wonder what will happen with the wielding of Morton's Fork. Oboler was quick to accuse me and you. But will he ackowledge the fundamental dodginess of the organisation he has praised in the past?-- Peter cohen ( talk) 22:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, being treated as a high priority in their attack page is praise. They say that I:
Well, yes. Of course Wikipedia should reference the attack page of a branch of the Meir Kahane fan-club.
In other words, I suggested we have an article on antisemitism 2.0.
It was on his grandson Wieland. But we can't expect the JIDF to have had a cultural education. And I added information on Wieland's links to Hitler and role in running a concentration camp.
Actually it was something to do with the Trojan War, but they probably don't count that.
Ah Yes [6] where I make the dreadful suggestion that Jews can be believers without believing in Jesus.
Mea culpa
mea maxima culpa
Well the JIDF probably don't think that Yitzhak Rabin was Jewish. That's why they support the people who shot him.
Ooh the ultimate insult. Actually, maybe they think that Rabin was self-hating and shooting him was a mercy killing.
How evil can I get. Anyway it's two of them and one steals my matzo. -- Peter cohen ( talk) 00:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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In Nazi Germany, the young idealists of the White Rose who spoke out against the racism and fascism of Hitler's regime paid the ultimate price - death by execution. Since America declared its "War on Terror", tens of thousands of Arabs and Muslims have died and millions have been made homeless. Concurrently, the threshold for racist commentary against these groups has never been higher. Indeed, without a discourse of dehumanization of the "enemy", such massive killing would never be tolerated, and so the few voices that rise up in protest, must be aggressively shot down. So this is to you Nishidani, for your humanity, candor, and care for your fellow human being, whether she/he be Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Bahai, atheist, etc., etc. While you may often feel like a voice in the wilderness, I hear that voice, and it warms my heart. May the chorus grow ever louder until the phrase "Never again" is one that protects us all. Tiamut talk 09:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Some time ago, you contributed to René Girard. If you are still reading about his work, I wonder if you could review the current article, which has changed a lot in the last few months. -- ChristopheS ( talk) 14:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Disclaimer.For potential wikistalkers, archivalists of net-trivia or the dyslexic, this is not a personal attack. It is a reconstruction, historical, textual and phenomenological, of the background to the warning posted on my page, which egregiously confounds what Jaakobou said of Tiamut's world, with what the administrator thinks I thought of Jaakobou's world. The syntax of these things is not equivocal, a child should see the error. None have, save Scarpia, and this has given me no alternative but to withdraw under protest at what looks like admin-shopping, poor judgement, and generally, an inability to read in sequence for content and logic. It is particularly distasteful for me that there is the appearance of an element of ethnic solidarity in this warning, and its follow-up. All men, not just some, are brothers, or we are all foreigners to one another. One clearly cannot work under such conditions. It is my subjective reconstruction of events, for the record, as I close my collaboration down. Those convinced that it is a 'personal attack' should either prove it to their peers' satisfaction by justifying and confirming Arthur Rubin's, to me, incomprehensible, misreading of the evidence, as I have responded to it on my page, or simply have the good sense to drop it, and allow me to wrap up two years work as, for once, I write in the manner that comes naturally, and not in the contorted prose elicited by arbcom bickering and wikilexic constraints. This was intended for my records, not for snoopers with a malign taste for distracting wikipedians from their proper task, editing.
I saw
a woman in distress, and ran
To lend a hand as
manners say one ought.
A
marginal, to boot, and any man
Would do the same, at least
that’s how I thought.
The case came up
before the usual court,
A jury thronged with allies, as each clan
Mustered sympathies, and grievance sought
To sway the verdict -‘innocent’ or ‘ban’.
Most
evidence suggested she was right,
Had clearly reason to be frightened when
An
old antagonist lumbered into sight.
‘Only to fix her work now, gentlemen’,
Was his defence. ‘It’s rather botched with
spite.
And all I did was wield a
red-inked
pen’.
But more than
evidence, the
chat between
The
jurymen and
judges won the day.
‘
Things are very rarely what they seem',
‘
The law is rather vague, read either way'.
‘Neither party’s really coming clean’.
‘That
asshole Nishidani,’s come to
bray'.
‘The fellow in the dock looks pretty keen’.
‘The plaintiff’s cute, despite
her background, ay’!
No verdict passed, the
court declined the case.
Things stayed the same,
the way they always will,
For that’s the way
the law works
in that place.
The accused sighed in relief: ‘It beats me still
Why I was charged. I’ve
zip against her race,
Or faith, you know. Dja take me for a
dill'?
Nishi heard the
quip while loitering there.
The words struck up a
chord. He
racked his
brain.
And like a rat that rummages down a drain,
Snuffling cheesy scents in the fetid air,
He
dawdled through the
nooks of
memory lane
Foraging for the
spoor his
native
flair
Had twigged would show these words, so
doctrinaire,
Belied the truth, or went
against the grain.
He finally found what he was looking for:
That old offence against the
woman’s pride
When told
her world was racist to the core.
And dropped a note, before those starry-eyed
Defenders of the accused, that long before
He’d written words whose sense
he now denied.
The point was just to hint that he should take
More care in
barging in when she’s about,
Some
balm of tact to
bury any doubt
His
whilom enmity was on the make.
It’s true he’d
scrubbed some words, a
wikitrout
Was slapped his way, and
made him take a break.
Infringement of
the principle at stake
Was duly punished: Justice
showed its
clout.
He thought the sanction harsh, but wore the rap.
Made no retraction of his private views.
Though ‘’possibly’ offensive, all this flap
Ran in the face of
commonsense:
the news
Confirmed that what he’d said was hardly
crap:
That Arabs terrorize and
hate
the Jews.
The
news indeed. It really did not matter
-
Five days and 1900 ‘’
Pallies’’ shot -
The
IDF just wanted them to
scatter
Instead of
hanging round, like
flies to swat.
What
harm was there in
Ariel
Sharon’s
trot
Around their
mosque? Despite the Arab patter,
It was the
Temple Mount, and, yes, the latter
Was
Jewish long before they lost the plot.
Their lack of understanding was at fault.
The failure to accept these prior claims
In
Bible
writ was
racist, their
revolt
Pure terror in pursuit of
terror’s aims:
Fling stones at soldiers and they’ll shoot the bolt
Take aim, and make you suffer for their pains.
No use of course to murmur that,
these days,
To fire on unarmed crowds provokes their
hate.
It may remind the
older of
Kent State,
Of
Rotes Wien or
Sharpeville in some ways,
But
parallels
distort, they
irritate.
They blur distinctions, for, to coin a phrase,
The Arab Mind is
twisted like a maze:
Respect for
force, not law,’s their
native trait.
One puts them down as one puts down a
dog
Unless it cringes, and their honour code
Yields,
and they recur to type - the
wog.
Unfortunately their
bad hats scorn the
goad,
Fire back,
wire up as human bombs, or lob
Fierce rocks at tanks that crush
kids on a road.
Thus
Nish mulled over ironies, musing on
The
quixotries of rulings case by case.
The
Kantian dispensation’s now undone,
Critique of Judgement's wholly out of place.
For, even though the
world's wide markets hum
With
rhetoric's
global
yawp, few now keep pace
With logic's sheer
extension over space
When men are asked to make their ethics one.
Tribal lore still wields its potent sway.
And,
hunkered down in
bolt-holes of belief
Each vaunts his own as having won the day,
And proves his
brother’s keeper,
thug or
thief,
Against all
claims a
foreign justice may
Assert are higher than mere
kinship’s
brief.
Autumn’s brindling light on leaves that lay
Veined porphyry mosaics around his yard:
The winter robins skipping on the gnarred
Pine trunks in his garden: red on grey;
The valley haze from burnoffs underway
Beneath the utter azure: at night the starred
Velvet-plushy heaven: the boulevard
Still in its poignant Roman-sweet decay
Gave Nishidani pause throughout the week:
Why waste two summers arguing with those deaf
Who cannot hear but dearly love to speak?
‘Their object’s not objective, but, en bref,
To whinge as victors while they gag the weak:
When others grieve, they couldn’t give an eff’.
Deaf to a purpose though. They edit wiki
After months of mugging up the rules.
They don’t know much – think those who do are fools-
The game’s to make all clear-cut facts look tricky.
When ethnic interests are at risk their tools
- Attrition,
NPA, being ultra-picky
On evidence that’s strong and hardly dicky –
Grind down
the patience of the toughest
mules.(n.1)
Exquisitely urbane, they wipe the slate
Of everything that bears upon a page
Yet contradicts the image they'd create
With their own work, to tilt our ruthless age
Towards one version of events, and state
One nation’s narrative at centre stage.
n.1 lectio varia
Wear out the patent
soles of papal
mules.
These meditations took our man away
From hourly supervision of his screen,
The lists to watch, the mess one had to clean
Lest minions of poor editing had their way.
The air outside turned ominously keen
Chill winter hove up as the clouds loomed grey.
He left off pruning, thought hé’d rejoin the fray
And do his bit to help the wiki scene.
And found a warning he’d be blocked just if
He did as he had done before, remind
The accused of past intolerance with a diff.
A 'random' admin had made up his mind
That
he’d transgressed, had tried to stir a tiff
In asking
Jaakobou to be more kind.
Puzzled, he clicked around to find some trace
Of how this odd monition came about.
No admin had expressed the slightest doubt
When Nish ran up that diff to make his case.
Sure, Jaakobou had feinted with a pout
That cried offence and hinted at disgrace.
This drew no comment though, for, on the face
Of it, he'd clearly got things arse-about.
Two days had flown, as, lulled to drop his guard
Our man took off some time to work outside.
But meantime someone else had worked quite hard
To sound authorities out, who might decide
To overturn the case, and play a card
That trumped the plaintiff's lawyer, and her pride.
A casual or careless eye won’t sift
A lengthy thread to grasp the rockhard gist,
But check a diff or two: the rest is missed
As contexts drop, and meaning gets short shrift.
Jaakobou had framed things as if miffed
That Nishi’s post made him, a
Zionist,
A heir to racist terror - a clever twist
On words bestowed on
T as
a German gift.
Thus five hours on, our
Rubin
made his call,
Saw in the words a personal attack
On Jaakobou, as though hé’d copped a maul,
Not Tiamut, and her lawyer took the flack
For slights he had the
hide to try and stall
By asking Jaak to take just one step back.
Had Jaak then admin-shopped to settle scores,
Emailed off line to canvass for some friend
To challenge a consensus and contend
That Nishi’s nudge had opened up old sores?
There’s evidence that he’s been known to spend
His energies in getting round the laws
By phoning those whose profiles give due cause
For thinking they might favour his own end.
The point cannot be proved, the pattern though
Suggests once more his charm off-line had won
The outcome that he wanted, strike a blow
To muzzle those he thought were out to gun
For him, by using diffs that tend to show
His I/P editor's cred was less than none.
In the little ballad you are writing in your user space you have continued to attack other editors- accusing (without evidence, as you concede) Jaakobu of forum shopping, off-wiki canvassing etc... Even without those thinly veiled personal attacks, the use of user space for that purpose is questionable - but with those attacks it is has become an attack page. Please remove that ballad, and take it somewhere else. NoCal100 ( talk) 16:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I added a comment underneath something somebody else had written in Archive 7, then realised that it was incorrect to do so. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 11:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
It wasn’t helpful that, as Nishi fought
To have the warning cancelled, others came
In ethnic solidarity to sustain
The twisted logic of this patent tort.
.
Stop attacking an other user's talk page with insults, if you do not want to be blocked forever i would suggest that you let it go and forget it. I saw what happens to wiki-stalkers and you don't want that to happen to you, no one wants it. Elbutler ( talk) 21:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
A userspace page of yours is being discussed here on WP:ANI. Apparently the user who started the thread hasn't informed you. Bishonen | talk 22:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC).
- Have you come across the online George Orwell resource? I particularly like the article 'Notes on Nationalism'. Although it focuses on nationalism in the United Kingdom at the end of the Second World War, I think it says important and useful things about current Wiki Nationalists. Judging by the quote on your user page, you're a fellow fan of 'Life and Fate'? -- ZScarpia ( talk) 17:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I understand that the young whippersnaps who quickly pass judgement without diving in deeper to understand from whence your poetic inspiration emerged, can quickly cause offense to one with your fine sensibilities. But you should not let style win out over substance, or politicking over principle, by simply withdrawing. Of course, you are free to pursue greener pastures in the real world, tending to your garden and other living things, but your interventions here remain appreciated, no matter how many inane warnings are pasted to your page. Anyway my friend, I hope that this is not the end. Kisses and best wishes, Tiamut talk 15:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Really. Tiamut talk 00:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
As a fan of Wikipedia based poetry and a proponent of content resolution through poetic verse, I would like to compliment you on your choice of expression. Way to class things up around here. :) Ottava Rima ( talk) 16:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Nishidani. Thanks for the links. I told RolandR I'll de downloading Real player tonight so I can lsiten to what he's appended as well. I hope you are doing well and that your research is moving forward nicely. If you ever need any help, I am a professional copy editor in real life (from time to time), and would be happy to take a gander at any drafts. I hope you enjoy the holidays with you and yours. Tiamut talk 14:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Just in case I'm blocked over the Christmas period, I shall take this chance to wish you all the best for Christmas and the New year... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 17:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll put it here to keep your page clean of extrenous detail.
Thanks for the advice... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 21:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Heyo Nishidani,
Please comment on content, not on fellow editors (per
this comment).
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 19:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
It wasn’t helpful that, as Nishi fought
To have the warning cancelled, others came
In ethnic solidarity to sustain
The twisted logic of this patent tort.
Cooperation’s our avowéd aim
That means: we don’t coordinate a rort,
Nor play
Big Leaguers in a minor sport
To hurl fast
spitballs in a crooked game.
A level playing field is what we seek
Where scales fall off our umpires’ eyes as they
Renounce their hometown bias to critique
The way both teams behave, this game they play
Whose aim is not to score against some clique
But teach the world to read objectively.
To read itself, in short, in neutral terms,
By fóllowing a móde of dráfting, taut and flat,
Embracing all perspectives, one that earns
Man’s trust in wiki, shorn of caveat.
The academy’s, for instance, which still spurns
This project as a hinky bag of chat
Where freaks of learning have to chew the fat
With dingbats full of mission and ‘concerns’.
‘Concerns’ that often voice some ancient beef-
Fringe-national perspectives, tribal cant
In rival powers that give each other grief
And spill their rancour, as their stooges rant,
Split hairs, revert, and niggle, write a brief
And woo some admins to embrace their slant.
‘Attack? That’s quite off the point.
Though saying this may disappoint.
While clearing one’s nose
Gets up others’, I s’pose,
They shouldn’t feel theirs’ out of joint.
The aim of the exercise, friend,
Is to tidy my page, put an end
To my help offered here
No loss -, it’s small beer –
As many opponents contend.
To withdraw’s a betrayal I fear
Of so many editors here,
Who work to a rule
And mostly keep cool,
And are paid with a kick up the rear.
They’re young, though: I’m getting on.
And they’ll bear up now that I’m gone.
Yet I feel that I owe
More than just ‘Cheerio’
To explain my I’m tired of the con.
Í was attacked, not the other,
While helping a lass, not my ‘mother’,
As several impute
Is what’s at the root
Of my sense of due etiquette, brother.
As I tie up loose ends, be so kind
To enjoy my
repaste, where you'll find
A good
noCal
diet
(Though he'll never buy it)
And the host will depart when you've dined
Being a stickler for details, I
Feel it proper when casting the die
To explain my withdrawal
To the ghost of
George Orwell
Whose
Newspeak is winning, goodbye.
As I am quite sure you are my friend. The number of dead has surpassed 418 now and those wounded over 2000, and it's only been six days. Six days of hell during the holidays to commemorate Christ's birth. Oh the irony!
I was in Bethlehem for Christmas Eve. It was terrible. Everyone was depressed over the siege on Gaza (the bombbardments had not yet started in earnest). The wall, the checkpoints and then because Abu Mazen was there, there were hundreds of his personal police everywhere carrying guns. A man who thinks he is more important than the whole of the Palestinian people and their 60 year struggle for self-determination is not worthy of such protection. A Palestinian Karzai is all he is.
Nazareth is boiling over what is happening in Gaza. There have been at least two demonstrations so far and tens of arrests. Helicopters hovered over the city for hours a couple days ago and again last night. This region is heading for an all-out war, of that I am quite sure now. I'm not afraid. We lived through the 2006 war and I hope we'll live through this one too, though I don't fear death. To me, there is nothing worse than injustice and indignity.
And now I'd like to share some special and dark Palestinian humor with you from a Palestinian in Gaza who writes that he received a text message on New Year's that said:
"Look outside, F-16s are smiling at you, missiles are dancing for you, drones are singing for you, because I requested them all to wish you Happy New Year."
I hope that the people are smiling, the trees dancing, and the birds singing where you are my friend. Because I asked them to wish you a Happy New Year. Tiamut talk 20:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Your mind would be highly appreciated on the talk page of this article. Thx. Ceedjee ( talk) 22:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, and don't mind the soapboxing, I started it after all. Of course you are correct in everything you said. I didn't mean to say that such things never happen, specifically not in IDF, as history proves otherwise. As a former IDF officer I am shameful of inceidents such as the kfar Kassem massacre. This is why I said that such things are not IDF POLICY, and contradict every single word in the IDF's rules of engagement. They do happen, but they are not policy. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about that, and maybe my greatest mistake was to take it personally. Cheers-- Omrim ( talk) 22:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
hi, as a releatively new wikipedian i have made some tactical errors - ie. making lucid arguments and offering respect while being belittled and accused of soap, pov pushing, and being a sockppupet!
i'm sure you are busy on things that actually matter, but i saw your username on the talk page of an article i am trying to make better and i thought you could offer me some advice.
self hating jew is the page and i m having trouble with user- malcolm schosha.
if you have a chance t look at the talk page and history let me know what you think.
thanks Untwirl ( talk) 18:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thank you so much for your thoughtful response. i apologize if i seemed to be canvassing, i hadn't read that rule, and i think votestacking seems to be the one that applies here, although i believe it was done against me and got me in this! :) and i actually was just seeking advice - which you have given generously - and not trying to get you roped into that discussion. i should familiarize myself with more rules as well. i see now that "seeking fellow editors " implies much more than i meant to, esp considering you are the only one i sent this to! i will try follow your example and i think i will seek a mentor as well. thanks again, and good luck with that page.
Untwirl (
talk) 20:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that... Even though I'm respecting your concrete arguments about regarding the Zeitoun issue, I can't understand what you mean when saying "This in any case is not a moral problem for you. It's a legal problem for the IDF". If the story is true, of course it is a moral problem for me as an Israeli. During WW2 most Germans seemed to have no "moral problem" with what their army was doing and the result, well... we know it. So the bottom line is that (again, if it turns out to be true) I MUST have a moral problem with it, just as I expect moral pro-Palestinian people to have moral problems with suicide bombers who specifically target civilians, or with Palestinian gunmen who shoot kids in the head from point blank. If I don't have a problem with IDF soldiers shooting Palestinian kids, and you don't have a moral problem with Palestinian gunmen shooting Israeli kids, we just might as well let the fight go on until the last man is left standing. See you back on at the talk page.-- Omrim ( talk) 01:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
'Le bon historien, lui, ressemble à l’ogre de la légende. Là où il flaire la chair humaine, il sait que là est son gibier.’(A fine historian'ssomeone who bears comparison to the ogres of legend, he knows, when he catches the scent of human flesh, that there's the game he'll prey on)
Nishandi, I've responded to your comments on my talk page. I'm not greatly accustomed to wiki's conversation forum ("talk pages") and find them an awkward way of communicating. So, I don't know what the etiquette is regarding continuing conversations. I assume that they occur on one page whereever the initial comments were posted (mine). Thrylos000 ( talk) 20:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
(1) Tundrabuggy believes Jews, collectively, constitute 1% of the world's Muslim population