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This is just a reminder. If a motto has been used multiple times it should be under or added to Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Frequently used ideas. Simply south.... .. improving for 5 years So much for ER 10:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like someone to take the maturity and responsibility of actually closing the Linda McMahon discussion.
I disagree with the idea that a discussion can be closed simply due to lack of involvement, as I laid out valid points throughout the discussion, and had a 3rd party expose the foolishness of the other editors there. I want the issue resolved - and since you are the moderator, I want you to resolve it and state that it has been resolved that Linda McMahon is a professional wrestling magnate and the page will stay as is. Collect should be given notice on this, as well as a notice on his behavior, because I was given harassment nonstop the entire thread while I was giving legitimate points.
I would say shame on you, but I don't know how long you've been doing this, so I won't judge.
Please do the right thing and close it accurately. That is all I am asking from you.-- Screwball23 talk 03:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
If you want this kind of binding decision on consensus to use magnate or not, the thing to do is to file a request for comments on the article talk page. This has the advantage of making the consensus clear, but it takes time to get everything sorted out. If you don't want to go through the RfC process, then probably the best thing to do is leave the article as it is, and wait to see if Collect still wants to pursue the matter further. It does have your preferred wording at the moment, after all.
As for the behaviour of the participants, I can sympathise with your position. No-one likes getting that many negative comments in a discussion (and yes, I know, this includes my warnings about personal attacks). I do think you shot yourself in the foot somewhat with your original post, however - I think that focusing on Collect's behaviour and using negative words like "vandalizing" put the moderators on guard. My honest opinion is that both you and Collect could have been more cooperative, and I don't think that giving Collect a warning without discussing the situation first is going to actually help to resolve the dispute.
Perhaps the best thing is just to leave things as they are for a while, and for everyone to come back to the article in a few weeks' time with a clear head. Like I said in the closing comments, if anything else comes up you are welcome to post at the noticeboard again. I hope this helps, and of course if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them below. All the best. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 07:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that you are absolutely right that Linda McMahon is a pro-wrestling magnate, and I agree that that description has support in the sources. However, I also think we can't describe her like that in Wikipedia. This is because "magnate" is a subjective word, and calling someone a magnate is an opinion, not a fact - there's no exact cut-off point where we can say that one person is just a businessman, but another is a magnate. If you look near the top of WP:NPOV, then you will see that as part of the explanation of the policy it says "avoid stating opinions as facts". What this means is that no matter how accurate the opinion that McMahon is a magnate, and no matter how widely-held it is, we still cannot present it as a fact. Instead we would have to say something like "Joe Bloggs from the New York Times described her as 'the most powerful business magnate in the history of pro-wrestling'".
Or, even better in my opinion, we could just describe it using more facts to give an impression of her influence in the business world. For example, "Linda McMahon is a businesswoman and politician, and was the chief executive of WWE Corporation, a multi-billion dollar enterprise with franchises in 55 countries". (I'm sure you can make it more impressive and more accurate than I have done here.) If you do this then I think it is both more factual and more powerful than simply calling her a "magnate". Also, I have a hunch that if you can reformulate the opening text of the article to something like that, then you won't have any more problems with Collect on that article. If you need some more guidance on this you can look at WP:ASF and WP:NPOVT for some good places to start, and I'll be happy to help you here as well. Let me know what you think of this, and I'll answer any more questions you might have. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 18:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
RohG ??· 01:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Though Lord Voldemort is not technically a flesh and blood person, he is a real character in the Harry Potter series written by J.K. Rowling. If you would like proof of Voldemort's existence in the history of Vauxhall you need not look any further than page 232 of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Please reconsider adding him to the Noteable people list. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karissa89 ( talk • contribs) 20:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{ Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 19:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, saw that you removed a section from this article, citing WP:PROMOTION. Can you please explain to me why reporting growth "reads like an advert" because it seems to me that past growth and future outlook, when properly verifiable by reliable sources, would be something that an encyclopedia entry should include. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 06:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I knew I'd mess something up when I did that since the intricacies of archiving absolutely baffle me, even though I use it on my talk page. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey there. How do you feel about TransporterMan, you and myself working on the backlog of MedCab cases to clear it out? You seem pretty good at finding solutions to tricky disputes, so I thought it might be something you'd be interested in. We could collaborate to try and improve MedCab at the same time, too. What do you think? (Note, I have about ~3500 pages on my watch list, if I miss your reply then poke me.) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 06:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, we spoke before about the article List of hentai authors in Dispute Resolution where it was decided deleted entries could be re-added if reliable sources were added. I began the process today and the user I was in dispute with began deleting my entries again (he's gone as far as to even delete other names that are already on Wikipedia because "they're not primarily known as hentai authors"). I used AnimeNewsNetwork.com for my source which is essentially an IMDB for anime and manga. I'm at the end of my rope here and I could use some advice. Thank you. Alucardbarnivous ( talk) 03:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Greetings Mr Stradivarius, I noticed that you had dealings with this MedCab which has now closed. It appears that the dispute is still on-going and turning into a article talk page slanging match still between the main parties involved. As I was one of the mediators who contributed also, I was wondering if it would be OK for myself to reopen the case, and get to a final resolution, in a peaceful and diplomatic manner? A few of the parties involved are fine with this decision, and I don't mind whatsoever in tackling this one alone. I look forward to your response in due course. Wesley Mouse ( talk) 17:16, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I urge you to inform OpenFuture to have a level playing field in discussions. OpenFuture demands that I present evidence that there is "no connection at all" with pre-Nazi national socialism in order to disprove that a cohesive national socialism existed prior to World War I. I present clear individual examples of prominent "national socialist" ideologies unrelated to Nazism that disrupt the idea that a cohesive national socialism existed prior to the development and rise of Nazism and OpenFuture refuses to acknowledge them and falsely accuses me of trying to change the topic. It seems that OpenFuture is demanding that I find a source that states "all national socialism prior to World War I and Nazism is unrelated to Nazism", such as source will not exist and besides I have NEVER said that there is no possibility of pre-WWI Nazi-esque national socialism, but all that is needed to demonstrate that pre-WWI Nazi national socialism existed are sources. I ask OpenFuture to provide some as he/she has asked of me, and he/she refuses to. I cannot accept a one-way burden upon me. OpenFuture has to provide sources for her/his argument just as I have to. I would appreciate it if you could request for OpenFuture to provide sources for her/his argument, OpenFuture seems to hate my guts because I disagree with her/him and refuses to listen to my requests, so there is no point in me asking again. This needs to be a level playing field, or else nothing I provide will be good enough. When responding, I hope that you please focus on how to bring OpenFuture to be on a level playing field such as by requesting her/him to present sources for her/his argument.-- R-41 ( talk) 14:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
We've been named as parties. You might want to see my response there. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
This is a new mobile network that started a few days ago, www.haloo.ba. This information is 100% legit.
Would you return the information I added earlier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.127.100.176 ( talk) 13:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Dear sir
Thank you very much for your feedback on our writing about A good language learner.
We are a group of teachers of English doing research about writing in an online context. We are very pleased about our decision to put the writing on Wikipedia, because we are learning a lot from this experience and most importantly from your feedback, although our writing has been messing up your original page. Please accept my apology for having put you in an uneasy situation of seeing and commenting an out-of-place section in your page of Good language learner studies. Actually we are at present not living in the same country, and may not be able to act soon enough for our writing after we received your feedback, things like editing or removing the writing to another page.
Once again thank you very much for your kindness and keen feedback and apologies for upsetting you some time.
Best regards, Anhhpham ( talk) 03:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Actually what we aim at when working on Wikipedia is this process, things like discussing, editing, commenting, etc. and lessons we get behind this experience, rather than the product, namely a Wikipedia entry itself. It is therefore very helpful for us to be able to talk to someone here like you and to get your response. Best regards, Anhhpham ( talk) 23:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks for trying to mediate.
R-41 is now opening topics that I thought were covered already. You moved one to a new section below, namely R-41's requirement that we prove that the word "national socialism" in 1919 have some sort of relationship to the word "national socialism" as used earlier. I've pointed out that the burden of evidence in a change of a meaning of a word instead lies on the one claiming that the meaning of the word changed. He responded with now requiring evidence that other "national socialism" existed at all, another topic already covered and a consensus was reached. His reaction to that was requiring that we provide sources showing that the word means the same. You see the circularity here?
Anywaym this means two new topic need to be added to the list of disagreements, namely "did any other national socialism exist at all" and "do you need to prove that a words meaning changed or that it stayed the same". I have little doubt that this form of discussion (coming up with new small, to some extent quite absurd disagreements) is going to keep on forever, and more and more pointless and already covered disagreements will be dug up. As such I have lost my hope in any informal mediation working. I'll obviously keep on cooperating with it should it go on, but I would like to say that it is probably a waste of your time. If you decide to keep on going, good luck, and I'll probably try to keep out of the way and not discuss to much, as I'll just grow frustrated with the inevitable slow progress as very few people involved in this debate are willing to listen to anybody else (R-41 is in fact one of the more sensible ones). But I think it'll end up in formal mediation in the end anyway...
Thanks -- OpenFuture ( talk) 06:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a little early to give up on mediation, as we've only just started. Once we've had a little time for the ball to get rolling, things will likely get a lot easier. I have faith in the dispute resolution process: I think that if all users involved are willing to compromise and follow the Wikipedia policies and guidelines, then there's every possibility for us to resolve this dispute right now. Let's see what the response is to the new sub-thread and take things from there. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 17:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The Four Deuces is arguing that comments from one author are taken out of context. What is a best way to settle this dispute if we can't come to agreement? -- Vision Thing -- 20:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your kind note. I might pop in there from time to time, when my aging content-grinder's on the blink (an increasingly frequent problem. Oh, to be built from user-serviceable parts!) Haploidavey ( talk) 21:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Just had to add the following. The more I think about it (DRN), the more excellent an invention it seems. Talk-page disputes too easily generate more heat than light, or walls of text stout enough to fend off even the idea of an exchange of ideas, or worse still, mountains of obfuscation (and that, I confess, is one of my favourite words but one of the most depressing tactics I've even encountered). DRN process requires honesty, humanity and sober precision. Good practice all round, eh? So yes, I guess I'll stick around, and thanks once again for the note. Haploidavey ( talk) 00:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I noticed your closing comment at the Dispute Resolution board for the Volunteer (Irish republican) discussion, and would like to say that several hours before you made it i opened an RfC on the matter first of all for more outside input, before possibly moving to the original research board. I may face a rehashing of all the same arguements, or maybe not, however i'll give a RfC a shot first of all. Thanks for all your help on this issue. Mabuska (talk) 10:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr.Stradivarius, Thank you for your guidance on editing the page: Syrian Malabar Nasrani in Wikipedia. I appreciate your views and would try to modify the article as you directed. -- 218.248.72.195 ( talk) 10:47, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hey,
Just wanted to drop-by and register my admiration of a very clearly written RfC. Kudos. NickCT ( talk) 15:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder that it is not worth someone like me trying to add pages to Wikipedia.
You have doubtless saved me hours of time that I might have spent trying to expand an American encyclopedia with unAmerican material! : Yonmei ( talk) 13:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello! My name is Belugaboy, and by now, you and I both have heard of the Motto Shop, and if not, there's a Motto Shop! It's an exclusive place where users can get their own motto to live by on the wiki. It's great, but we're really running slow, in fact, we haven't seen a customer in months. So we thought YOU, the contributors to Motto of the Day, could spread the word to your WikiFriends, heck, order yourself one, whether you have or haven't before. Thank you and warm regards to all of you!
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Belugaboy ( talk) at 15:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC).
You've got email. — TransporterMan ( TALK) 17:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I've just commented on that nomination about the "two different strains of punks...", but I've also approved it so I want to personally thank you for understanding! I feared I was too rude (that was not my intention, because I was kidding). All the best and, once again, thank you. – pjoef ( talk • contribs) 09:52, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Stradivarius, I thought that there was resolution to the problem on the page Syrian Malabar Nasrani. But now Ashleypt indeed is engaging in vandalism. He is systematically removing all referenced passages dealing with jewish identity of the community. Removing referenced passages is indeed vandalism. Please stop this. I have tried reverting the edits but he keeps on removing the referenced passages. Please stop him from deleting referenced passages. Please help. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 15:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Stradivarius. User PedroPVZ changed the article "Portuguese language" again, returning it to the form he likes, that is, saying that the language was born just in Northern Portugal. I re-changed all again, writing down the quotes of the references to make it clear (I think they are necessary in order to avoid more changes by PedroPVZ or another users) and added that it was Portugal, not Galicia, that spread the language to South and overseas. Also I added that while Portugal spread the language Galicia decayed (and added a reference). I hope that change will please PedroPVZ.
Anyway, this is the last change I do in this article. I am bored and I don't want to loose my time arguing with people about things that anyone can verify in any library. I'm done and I don't want to keep standing the political ideas of anyone applyed to language items in Wikipedia. I'm a linguist, not a politician. In add, English is not a language I manage very well and I rather prefer to contribute to another versions of the project.
Thank you in advance,
Susomoinhos ( talk) 16:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, and thank you very much for your taking the time to look into the dispute. However, I have absolutely no idea how to go about establishing which three sources the academic community considers most reliable on the subject. I can tell you which ones I consider most reliable, but how does one establish which ones the academic community considers most reliable? This isn't at all my field. Any suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks, Athenean ( talk) 16:27, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note - I saw your edit to User talk:Volunteer Marek asking him/her for a statement regarding this mediation. It appears that they've retired as of October 8th (as per this, their most recent edit). Now, this may have no effect whatsoever, retirements being what they are on Wikipedia, but - since you say you need statements from all parties - I thought it worth a mention. FYI. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 19:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
You had advised me sometime back on a Wiki that I had created. Among others, I had keenly observed your feedback and implemented stuff accordingly. Just wanted your (and other Wikipedians') feedback on a new Wiki that I have created. Does it meet Wiki standards? Does it suffice? It's a new Wiki and I will be posting more content about it in the next few days. I am a graphic novel enthusiast (love the genre) and am naturally excited that India is waking up to Graphic novels and this Wiki is about a particularly good graphic novel company. Would appreciate your comments and feedback (and help!) Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Varunr/Level10_Comics Varunr ( talk) 15:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Yikes! My bad! I meant new article. I am pretty happy with the current Wikipedia and have no intent of making another one! I was referring to a new article, yes. Requesting your feedback and advice. Varunr ( talk) 06:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I've had a request to ask you to stop spamming users' talk pages with your messages about Holodomor statement deadline. One message should be enough. Thanks, and happy editing! -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Could you have a look at my questions at the dispute resolution page? [1] Sorry for bothering you but I do not have scholarly or extensive information on minorities and it is not easy to find correct sources. Besides I am suffering from a lack of time nowadays so I aplogogize in advance for my late replies. Filanca ( talk) 22:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi, following your closing of the recent Dan Savage DR, the two editors who did not achieve consensus for their wording have each further edited the disputed phrasing. I've reverted the one that was contrary to the DR, but (sensitive to EWing) would like your help on handling the second, which also removed sources. Thanks, Rostz ( talk) 23:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Dear Stradivarius, I think, now the editing is moving in a convergent and positive way, though there are some aberrations. OK. I started explaining the things in Talk Page as you suggested. I was a little frustrated with Dispute resolution board because didn't find any serious attempt by anybody to mediate there. Also, it's not the issue between me and Robin, but due to the rivalry between to communities. I'm not trying to superimpose my side's view, but just trying to find a balanced presentation of history and tradition. I wish if some experts in history could comment on the article. -- Ashleypt ( talk) 15:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Stradivarius: Nobody has considered the position of the Mediator from the Mediation Cabal, who supported the edits I proposed on the Zoellick talk pages, and then tendered his resignation in the middle of the mediation. The multiple, authoritative sources I cited for my edits were not considered, but simply ignored and in this so-called conflict resolution (a misnomer), the existence of these sources was denied. Closing a discussion because it is "stale" only three days after the posting of clearly erroneous comments is highly questionable. As for my "conflict of interest", the UK Parliament International Development Select Committee just announced an inquiry into the Department for International Development Annual Review and Multilateral Aid Review and requested comments from individuals. Thirteen World Bank whistleblowers intend to avail of this opportunity. http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/international-development-committee/inquiries/dar/ The best way I can think of to improve the Wikipedia site is to publicize what has happened here. Please convey to the rest of Wikipedia's community that as a cellist accustomed to the fellowship of chamber music, I am put off by aggressive, high-handed and nonsensical edicts. Currency1 ( talk) 00:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Mr. Stradivarius, please inform me why you reverted the following comment which I placed on the Dispute resolution discussion page after you reopened the Robert Zoellick bio discussion?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Currency1 ( talk • contribs)
Mr. Stradivarius, Demiurge could not refute the reliability of the primary and secondary sources I cited. Wikipedia is incorrect in branding the issues as a COI. This is a global governance and rule of law issue. I intend to request assistance from the Arbitration Committee on these problems. Currency1 ( talk) 13:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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This is just a reminder. If a motto has been used multiple times it should be under or added to Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Frequently used ideas. Simply south.... .. improving for 5 years So much for ER 10:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like someone to take the maturity and responsibility of actually closing the Linda McMahon discussion.
I disagree with the idea that a discussion can be closed simply due to lack of involvement, as I laid out valid points throughout the discussion, and had a 3rd party expose the foolishness of the other editors there. I want the issue resolved - and since you are the moderator, I want you to resolve it and state that it has been resolved that Linda McMahon is a professional wrestling magnate and the page will stay as is. Collect should be given notice on this, as well as a notice on his behavior, because I was given harassment nonstop the entire thread while I was giving legitimate points.
I would say shame on you, but I don't know how long you've been doing this, so I won't judge.
Please do the right thing and close it accurately. That is all I am asking from you.-- Screwball23 talk 03:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
If you want this kind of binding decision on consensus to use magnate or not, the thing to do is to file a request for comments on the article talk page. This has the advantage of making the consensus clear, but it takes time to get everything sorted out. If you don't want to go through the RfC process, then probably the best thing to do is leave the article as it is, and wait to see if Collect still wants to pursue the matter further. It does have your preferred wording at the moment, after all.
As for the behaviour of the participants, I can sympathise with your position. No-one likes getting that many negative comments in a discussion (and yes, I know, this includes my warnings about personal attacks). I do think you shot yourself in the foot somewhat with your original post, however - I think that focusing on Collect's behaviour and using negative words like "vandalizing" put the moderators on guard. My honest opinion is that both you and Collect could have been more cooperative, and I don't think that giving Collect a warning without discussing the situation first is going to actually help to resolve the dispute.
Perhaps the best thing is just to leave things as they are for a while, and for everyone to come back to the article in a few weeks' time with a clear head. Like I said in the closing comments, if anything else comes up you are welcome to post at the noticeboard again. I hope this helps, and of course if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them below. All the best. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 07:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that you are absolutely right that Linda McMahon is a pro-wrestling magnate, and I agree that that description has support in the sources. However, I also think we can't describe her like that in Wikipedia. This is because "magnate" is a subjective word, and calling someone a magnate is an opinion, not a fact - there's no exact cut-off point where we can say that one person is just a businessman, but another is a magnate. If you look near the top of WP:NPOV, then you will see that as part of the explanation of the policy it says "avoid stating opinions as facts". What this means is that no matter how accurate the opinion that McMahon is a magnate, and no matter how widely-held it is, we still cannot present it as a fact. Instead we would have to say something like "Joe Bloggs from the New York Times described her as 'the most powerful business magnate in the history of pro-wrestling'".
Or, even better in my opinion, we could just describe it using more facts to give an impression of her influence in the business world. For example, "Linda McMahon is a businesswoman and politician, and was the chief executive of WWE Corporation, a multi-billion dollar enterprise with franchises in 55 countries". (I'm sure you can make it more impressive and more accurate than I have done here.) If you do this then I think it is both more factual and more powerful than simply calling her a "magnate". Also, I have a hunch that if you can reformulate the opening text of the article to something like that, then you won't have any more problems with Collect on that article. If you need some more guidance on this you can look at WP:ASF and WP:NPOVT for some good places to start, and I'll be happy to help you here as well. Let me know what you think of this, and I'll answer any more questions you might have. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 18:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
RohG ??· 01:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Though Lord Voldemort is not technically a flesh and blood person, he is a real character in the Harry Potter series written by J.K. Rowling. If you would like proof of Voldemort's existence in the history of Vauxhall you need not look any further than page 232 of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Please reconsider adding him to the Noteable people list. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karissa89 ( talk • contribs) 20:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{ Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 19:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, saw that you removed a section from this article, citing WP:PROMOTION. Can you please explain to me why reporting growth "reads like an advert" because it seems to me that past growth and future outlook, when properly verifiable by reliable sources, would be something that an encyclopedia entry should include. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 06:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I knew I'd mess something up when I did that since the intricacies of archiving absolutely baffle me, even though I use it on my talk page. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey there. How do you feel about TransporterMan, you and myself working on the backlog of MedCab cases to clear it out? You seem pretty good at finding solutions to tricky disputes, so I thought it might be something you'd be interested in. We could collaborate to try and improve MedCab at the same time, too. What do you think? (Note, I have about ~3500 pages on my watch list, if I miss your reply then poke me.) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 06:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, we spoke before about the article List of hentai authors in Dispute Resolution where it was decided deleted entries could be re-added if reliable sources were added. I began the process today and the user I was in dispute with began deleting my entries again (he's gone as far as to even delete other names that are already on Wikipedia because "they're not primarily known as hentai authors"). I used AnimeNewsNetwork.com for my source which is essentially an IMDB for anime and manga. I'm at the end of my rope here and I could use some advice. Thank you. Alucardbarnivous ( talk) 03:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Greetings Mr Stradivarius, I noticed that you had dealings with this MedCab which has now closed. It appears that the dispute is still on-going and turning into a article talk page slanging match still between the main parties involved. As I was one of the mediators who contributed also, I was wondering if it would be OK for myself to reopen the case, and get to a final resolution, in a peaceful and diplomatic manner? A few of the parties involved are fine with this decision, and I don't mind whatsoever in tackling this one alone. I look forward to your response in due course. Wesley Mouse ( talk) 17:16, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I urge you to inform OpenFuture to have a level playing field in discussions. OpenFuture demands that I present evidence that there is "no connection at all" with pre-Nazi national socialism in order to disprove that a cohesive national socialism existed prior to World War I. I present clear individual examples of prominent "national socialist" ideologies unrelated to Nazism that disrupt the idea that a cohesive national socialism existed prior to the development and rise of Nazism and OpenFuture refuses to acknowledge them and falsely accuses me of trying to change the topic. It seems that OpenFuture is demanding that I find a source that states "all national socialism prior to World War I and Nazism is unrelated to Nazism", such as source will not exist and besides I have NEVER said that there is no possibility of pre-WWI Nazi-esque national socialism, but all that is needed to demonstrate that pre-WWI Nazi national socialism existed are sources. I ask OpenFuture to provide some as he/she has asked of me, and he/she refuses to. I cannot accept a one-way burden upon me. OpenFuture has to provide sources for her/his argument just as I have to. I would appreciate it if you could request for OpenFuture to provide sources for her/his argument, OpenFuture seems to hate my guts because I disagree with her/him and refuses to listen to my requests, so there is no point in me asking again. This needs to be a level playing field, or else nothing I provide will be good enough. When responding, I hope that you please focus on how to bring OpenFuture to be on a level playing field such as by requesting her/him to present sources for her/his argument.-- R-41 ( talk) 14:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
We've been named as parties. You might want to see my response there. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
This is a new mobile network that started a few days ago, www.haloo.ba. This information is 100% legit.
Would you return the information I added earlier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.127.100.176 ( talk) 13:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Dear sir
Thank you very much for your feedback on our writing about A good language learner.
We are a group of teachers of English doing research about writing in an online context. We are very pleased about our decision to put the writing on Wikipedia, because we are learning a lot from this experience and most importantly from your feedback, although our writing has been messing up your original page. Please accept my apology for having put you in an uneasy situation of seeing and commenting an out-of-place section in your page of Good language learner studies. Actually we are at present not living in the same country, and may not be able to act soon enough for our writing after we received your feedback, things like editing or removing the writing to another page.
Once again thank you very much for your kindness and keen feedback and apologies for upsetting you some time.
Best regards, Anhhpham ( talk) 03:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Actually what we aim at when working on Wikipedia is this process, things like discussing, editing, commenting, etc. and lessons we get behind this experience, rather than the product, namely a Wikipedia entry itself. It is therefore very helpful for us to be able to talk to someone here like you and to get your response. Best regards, Anhhpham ( talk) 23:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks for trying to mediate.
R-41 is now opening topics that I thought were covered already. You moved one to a new section below, namely R-41's requirement that we prove that the word "national socialism" in 1919 have some sort of relationship to the word "national socialism" as used earlier. I've pointed out that the burden of evidence in a change of a meaning of a word instead lies on the one claiming that the meaning of the word changed. He responded with now requiring evidence that other "national socialism" existed at all, another topic already covered and a consensus was reached. His reaction to that was requiring that we provide sources showing that the word means the same. You see the circularity here?
Anywaym this means two new topic need to be added to the list of disagreements, namely "did any other national socialism exist at all" and "do you need to prove that a words meaning changed or that it stayed the same". I have little doubt that this form of discussion (coming up with new small, to some extent quite absurd disagreements) is going to keep on forever, and more and more pointless and already covered disagreements will be dug up. As such I have lost my hope in any informal mediation working. I'll obviously keep on cooperating with it should it go on, but I would like to say that it is probably a waste of your time. If you decide to keep on going, good luck, and I'll probably try to keep out of the way and not discuss to much, as I'll just grow frustrated with the inevitable slow progress as very few people involved in this debate are willing to listen to anybody else (R-41 is in fact one of the more sensible ones). But I think it'll end up in formal mediation in the end anyway...
Thanks -- OpenFuture ( talk) 06:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a little early to give up on mediation, as we've only just started. Once we've had a little time for the ball to get rolling, things will likely get a lot easier. I have faith in the dispute resolution process: I think that if all users involved are willing to compromise and follow the Wikipedia policies and guidelines, then there's every possibility for us to resolve this dispute right now. Let's see what the response is to the new sub-thread and take things from there. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 17:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The Four Deuces is arguing that comments from one author are taken out of context. What is a best way to settle this dispute if we can't come to agreement? -- Vision Thing -- 20:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your kind note. I might pop in there from time to time, when my aging content-grinder's on the blink (an increasingly frequent problem. Oh, to be built from user-serviceable parts!) Haploidavey ( talk) 21:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Just had to add the following. The more I think about it (DRN), the more excellent an invention it seems. Talk-page disputes too easily generate more heat than light, or walls of text stout enough to fend off even the idea of an exchange of ideas, or worse still, mountains of obfuscation (and that, I confess, is one of my favourite words but one of the most depressing tactics I've even encountered). DRN process requires honesty, humanity and sober precision. Good practice all round, eh? So yes, I guess I'll stick around, and thanks once again for the note. Haploidavey ( talk) 00:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I noticed your closing comment at the Dispute Resolution board for the Volunteer (Irish republican) discussion, and would like to say that several hours before you made it i opened an RfC on the matter first of all for more outside input, before possibly moving to the original research board. I may face a rehashing of all the same arguements, or maybe not, however i'll give a RfC a shot first of all. Thanks for all your help on this issue. Mabuska (talk) 10:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr.Stradivarius, Thank you for your guidance on editing the page: Syrian Malabar Nasrani in Wikipedia. I appreciate your views and would try to modify the article as you directed. -- 218.248.72.195 ( talk) 10:47, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hey,
Just wanted to drop-by and register my admiration of a very clearly written RfC. Kudos. NickCT ( talk) 15:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder that it is not worth someone like me trying to add pages to Wikipedia.
You have doubtless saved me hours of time that I might have spent trying to expand an American encyclopedia with unAmerican material! : Yonmei ( talk) 13:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
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I've just commented on that nomination about the "two different strains of punks...", but I've also approved it so I want to personally thank you for understanding! I feared I was too rude (that was not my intention, because I was kidding). All the best and, once again, thank you. – pjoef ( talk • contribs) 09:52, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Stradivarius, I thought that there was resolution to the problem on the page Syrian Malabar Nasrani. But now Ashleypt indeed is engaging in vandalism. He is systematically removing all referenced passages dealing with jewish identity of the community. Removing referenced passages is indeed vandalism. Please stop this. I have tried reverting the edits but he keeps on removing the referenced passages. Please stop him from deleting referenced passages. Please help. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 15:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Stradivarius. User PedroPVZ changed the article "Portuguese language" again, returning it to the form he likes, that is, saying that the language was born just in Northern Portugal. I re-changed all again, writing down the quotes of the references to make it clear (I think they are necessary in order to avoid more changes by PedroPVZ or another users) and added that it was Portugal, not Galicia, that spread the language to South and overseas. Also I added that while Portugal spread the language Galicia decayed (and added a reference). I hope that change will please PedroPVZ.
Anyway, this is the last change I do in this article. I am bored and I don't want to loose my time arguing with people about things that anyone can verify in any library. I'm done and I don't want to keep standing the political ideas of anyone applyed to language items in Wikipedia. I'm a linguist, not a politician. In add, English is not a language I manage very well and I rather prefer to contribute to another versions of the project.
Thank you in advance,
Susomoinhos ( talk) 16:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, and thank you very much for your taking the time to look into the dispute. However, I have absolutely no idea how to go about establishing which three sources the academic community considers most reliable on the subject. I can tell you which ones I consider most reliable, but how does one establish which ones the academic community considers most reliable? This isn't at all my field. Any suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks, Athenean ( talk) 16:27, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note - I saw your edit to User talk:Volunteer Marek asking him/her for a statement regarding this mediation. It appears that they've retired as of October 8th (as per this, their most recent edit). Now, this may have no effect whatsoever, retirements being what they are on Wikipedia, but - since you say you need statements from all parties - I thought it worth a mention. FYI. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 19:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
You had advised me sometime back on a Wiki that I had created. Among others, I had keenly observed your feedback and implemented stuff accordingly. Just wanted your (and other Wikipedians') feedback on a new Wiki that I have created. Does it meet Wiki standards? Does it suffice? It's a new Wiki and I will be posting more content about it in the next few days. I am a graphic novel enthusiast (love the genre) and am naturally excited that India is waking up to Graphic novels and this Wiki is about a particularly good graphic novel company. Would appreciate your comments and feedback (and help!) Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Varunr/Level10_Comics Varunr ( talk) 15:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Yikes! My bad! I meant new article. I am pretty happy with the current Wikipedia and have no intent of making another one! I was referring to a new article, yes. Requesting your feedback and advice. Varunr ( talk) 06:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I've had a request to ask you to stop spamming users' talk pages with your messages about Holodomor statement deadline. One message should be enough. Thanks, and happy editing! -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Could you have a look at my questions at the dispute resolution page? [1] Sorry for bothering you but I do not have scholarly or extensive information on minorities and it is not easy to find correct sources. Besides I am suffering from a lack of time nowadays so I aplogogize in advance for my late replies. Filanca ( talk) 22:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi, following your closing of the recent Dan Savage DR, the two editors who did not achieve consensus for their wording have each further edited the disputed phrasing. I've reverted the one that was contrary to the DR, but (sensitive to EWing) would like your help on handling the second, which also removed sources. Thanks, Rostz ( talk) 23:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Dear Stradivarius, I think, now the editing is moving in a convergent and positive way, though there are some aberrations. OK. I started explaining the things in Talk Page as you suggested. I was a little frustrated with Dispute resolution board because didn't find any serious attempt by anybody to mediate there. Also, it's not the issue between me and Robin, but due to the rivalry between to communities. I'm not trying to superimpose my side's view, but just trying to find a balanced presentation of history and tradition. I wish if some experts in history could comment on the article. -- Ashleypt ( talk) 15:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Stradivarius: Nobody has considered the position of the Mediator from the Mediation Cabal, who supported the edits I proposed on the Zoellick talk pages, and then tendered his resignation in the middle of the mediation. The multiple, authoritative sources I cited for my edits were not considered, but simply ignored and in this so-called conflict resolution (a misnomer), the existence of these sources was denied. Closing a discussion because it is "stale" only three days after the posting of clearly erroneous comments is highly questionable. As for my "conflict of interest", the UK Parliament International Development Select Committee just announced an inquiry into the Department for International Development Annual Review and Multilateral Aid Review and requested comments from individuals. Thirteen World Bank whistleblowers intend to avail of this opportunity. http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/international-development-committee/inquiries/dar/ The best way I can think of to improve the Wikipedia site is to publicize what has happened here. Please convey to the rest of Wikipedia's community that as a cellist accustomed to the fellowship of chamber music, I am put off by aggressive, high-handed and nonsensical edicts. Currency1 ( talk) 00:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Mr. Stradivarius, please inform me why you reverted the following comment which I placed on the Dispute resolution discussion page after you reopened the Robert Zoellick bio discussion?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Currency1 ( talk • contribs)
Mr. Stradivarius, Demiurge could not refute the reliability of the primary and secondary sources I cited. Wikipedia is incorrect in branding the issues as a COI. This is a global governance and rule of law issue. I intend to request assistance from the Arbitration Committee on these problems. Currency1 ( talk) 13:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)