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Are you a rəʊɡ admin or a ruːʒ admin? It Is Me Here t / c 23:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I've started creating some of my own userscripts, and I was wondering if you'd be okay with me copying yours so that I have a base to build off of. The final version of my script would do something completely different, but would use the same layout and formatting for use in the edit box. I just wanted to check before I went ahead and used it. Thanks! – Drilnoth ( T • C) 14:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you please set up a 'popular pages' page, similar to The Beatles' one, for Wikipedia:WikiProject Michael Jackson? Thanks in advance, Pyrrhus 16 17:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Z-man,
Requesting for popular pages for two WikiProjects - Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia and Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds. IMHO the Spoken Article project really require your stats to boost overall morale while the Bird wikiprojects will help me prioritise which bird pages to read for better reach with our very limited resources. Thanks in advance.
This is really a fantastic service you have developed. May you always be in a state of Wikinirvana.
AshLin ( talk) 15:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
The bot appears to be doing the wrong thing with indef user blocked templates -
See: [1]
It's replacing {{indefblocked}} with {{ti|indefblocked}}. The temporary userpage category is inside the indefblocked template, but the end effect is to mangle the template's display.
I think this is an artifact of not having subst'ed the template in the first place - I'm doing that now on some pages the bot did this to.
Thanks! Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 01:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you set up a page like Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy/Popular pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Acoustics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Fluid dynamics, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Relativity? These would be very usefull to have. Thanks. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 17:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure this is working properly? It appears to look for the user's name in the article title, rather than multiple edits to the same article. - Mgm| (talk) 09:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Please take a look at the above report. Somehow their first edit didn't trigger filter 32 when it should have. - Mgm| (talk) 11:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I wish to thank you for CloseAFD. It is incredibly useful and time-saving. I was wondering if you have created a script comparable to it for other XfDs, (such as MfDs, TfDs, CfDs, etc) or if you know of scripts people use. Is there a way to have an automated count appear of the !votes for Keeps, Deletes, Merge, etc, similar to that which exists for RfAs? Thanks, Valley2 city‽ 02:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC).
New Rochelle problem discussion notification: I've opened a new discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Long-running problem with respect to New Rochelle area articles.
This relates to the 4 part proposal i opened on March 26, which was closed on March 27 and archived at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive187#Proposal for unban, apology, amnesty for Jvolkblum and related others, and topic ban for Orlady.
This is a courtesy notice to all parties who had more than a one word comment in the previous discussion. I think it is a problem that won't go away, and I hope that you will be part of the solution, whether or not you and I have agreed previously. I hope that we can at least clarify the problem, if not immediately agree upon a solution. If anyone thinks this is inappropriate canvassing, I am sure they will express that. I don't anticipate too many separated discussions on this topic, but if this one is closed and a new one opens, I'll probably notify you again, unless you ask me not to. doncram ( talk) 03:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
You will notice I took all your barnstars. You can get them back by paying me.... One Million Dollars! Grsz 11 04:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I have filed a request for arbitration regarding recent bans of user accounts from which no activities could be found that dispupt Wikipedia. The arbitration request can be found here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Block of editors related to sockpuppet Jvolkblum You are not mentioned as an involved party, I send you this message as a courtesy for your information, and I hope that your opinion there can contribute to solve the issue. Thank you! doxTxob \ talk 23:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
We do not yet have a policy for removing unsourced blp articles, just unsourceable. Per WP:BEFORE, one should try to source them. (I know I am saying this to someone who has been ad admin for almost exactly as I have & knows policy just as well, but I'm explaining why I've removed some of your prods giving such reasons where I think there might be some chance of notability. One is no longer alive. One had a ref in the text. One or two I even sourced. Those I agreed would be deleted even if sourced I put on a prod2 to make that clear. I recognize there's a dispute about deletion policy for this right now at WT:CSD, and I am probably on the opposite side of it from you. so take a few of them to afd, if you like, and people will probably source some there and delete the rest. This has got to get resolved somehow. ) DGG ( talk) 05:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The article about Diego Romero (which is quite brief) has three references. What are you talking about? Cheers, Uyvsdi ( talk) 07:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Hi, "Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article, before any other items such as images, navigational templates and maintenance templates (like the "cleanup", "unreferenced", and "POV" templates)." ( WP:HNP), but your bot is moving correctly placed {{ unref}} templates, while changing them to {{ BLP unsourced}}, to put them above hatnotes. Please correct your bot, and correct the changes it has already made. See example here. PamD ( talk) 10:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Article Ralph Murphy; Your bot has updated the noreferences banner, to BLP unsourced. Because the article does indeed have four 'minor' references, I've decided to update the banner once again, to "Refimprove" for accuracy. Please make further adjustments to this if necessary. WikHead ( talk) 22:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I have been notified that you have removed a wikipedia entry about me based on your thoughts that it was a train wreck. While some of the information was unsourced, it would seem that you should delete the unsourced information instead of the entire article.
In checking the sources that are allowable for BLPs, I have discovered that self published information (such as a twitter stream) are allowable so long as the source is written by the subject of the bio. Since people contributed sources from my public twitter page, these would be deemed appropriate.
Furthermore, the entry itself is based upon several sources of notable information. I can be reached at my publicly known email address if you wish to discuss further.
Nikol Hasler 69.113.165.192 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC).
I found out through various sources that you have removed the wikipedia entry I established for Nikol Hasler. This entry was created with Ms. Hasler's permission, and while much of it was based on her public Twitter stream (with her expressed permission), other sections were sourced from more traditionally verifiable sources.
As for your characterization of the article as a "train wreck"; the scattershot style of portions of the article were illustrative of various aspects of Ms. Hasler's personality and lifestyle. When a person does not lead a traditional lifestyle, a biography page cannot be squeezed into a traditional mold.
I respectfully request that the article be restored. If there are unverifable/unsourced contributions those individual contributions should be marked for review; but the entire article should not be deleted.
Flahute ( talk) 00:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr Zed,
My recollection of Nikol's page was that it was fairly detailed, with information about her past, present, credits in print and television. All in all it was a good biography with myriad references and specific sources, and links to Nikol's magazine column and show - so where is the problem? If you honestly found it a train wreck, why not edit it and put the information into a cohesive state? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroborange ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I liked this comment so much, I decided to immortalise it, in a small way. Hope you don't mind. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEEL TALK 13:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aitias/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aitias/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, [[Sam Korn]] (smoddy) 22:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The auto-script you wrote for me can't handle the name Im a Socialist! What Are You; just letting you know. DS ( talk) 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
... Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Dylan620 Bot. It'll do the same thing as your old CAT:TEMP deletion bot ( talk · contribs), if you don't mind. I really liked that bot's concept, so I would like to bring it back as my own bot. Sincerely, Dylan ( chat, work, ping, sign) 15:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed that your bot is malfunctioning. It has been adding the BLPunsourced tag to several well-referenced articles on my watchlist. Here is one example (an article with 6 references and 2 links ( [2]). Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 03:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Your claims of imminent deletion are completely wrong. Nobody is talking about deleting all articles tagged with {{ BLP unsourced}} (at least not without prior review first). This is blatantly obvious and any claims otherwise are fear-mongering rhetoric. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 00:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Man, I flipped out too for a second, thought your bot was going all betacommand. Please add an explanatory note about the tag replacement in the edit summary, seeing multiple "unsourced BLP"s appear in the watchlist was kind of scary. Then again, I wouldn't be against appending a giant flashy tag that read "You're not taking this crap seriously now, are you?" to articles ;) ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 04:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I've replied to your oppose because not once have I said you cannot block with less than 3 reversions for edit warring. I said you cannot block for 3RR (obviously ^^). Thanks. — Cyclonenim | Chat 17:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Look, I call it like I see it. I don't know you so theres no reason for you to take offense. Take your guard down and just here me out. I figured that you were an editor(like most are)that are only impressed by 2527256 edits and a couple of barnstars. I was trying to be as friendly as possible but I said it like I would have if we were face to face. Hope there are no hard feelings. See you on the battle field. :P-- Gears of War 2 (NGG) 23:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
-- IRP ☎ 20:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, you might want to preemptively remove the last zero from wgPageName.indexOf('Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/200')
so the closeAFD.js script continues to work when 2010 rolls around. :) Thanks so much for the script, it's really helpful. —
LinguistAtLarge •
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22:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The now-inactive CAT:TEMP deletion bot, which you operated, deleted User talk:JedRothwell. Because there are problems relating to the alleged ban of this editor, and a current RfAr pending acceptance by the arbitrators, and it is possible that the history of this page may be relevant, I'm requesting undeletion. Thanks. -- Abd ( talk) 13:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm contacting yourself and some other uninvolved editors to see if you would be willng to read through an RfC at the Article Rescue Squad. It will be far from the most glamourous use of your time but it will help us see if we have reached a decision on this issue. I think the discussion has died down and concensus has been reached but another user has posited I'm misreading this. For the moment I've left my comments in the "Motion to close" and collapsed template in place but if others agree there is no consensus I'm fine removing or reworking them. The discussion itself isn't too brutal and the comments have stayed reasonably well organized so it shouldn't take long. Please read the RfC and discussion and offer your take in the "Motion to close" section. Thank you! -- Banjeboi 13:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Yo, Mr.Z-man, I was wondering if you had though any more about the BLP list proposal at Bot Requests? Regards, Skomorokh 20:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there a chance you can amalgamate traffic stats for WikiProject Mammals and it's descendants: WikiProject Dogs, WikiProject Squirrels, WikiProject Cats, WikiProject Equine, WikiProject Cetaceans, WikiProject Primates and WikiProject Monotremes and Marsupials? The problem being is that a lot of mammal articles are only tagged with the banners of the descendent WikiProject. If you can make one stats page for them all that would be great, if not could you just create the popular pages for WikiProject Cetaceans and WikiProject Primates. Cheers, Jack ( talk) 11:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I was in preparations to boldly close the AFD as moved back to templatespace when you closed it. What are your thoughts on this? My opinion is that it belongs in templatespace, and should go back there (see my comments at User talk:Rootology, the TFD should've been closed as speedy keep imo). If someone wants to nominate it again at TFD, the TFD tags can be <noinclude'ed> to prevent disruption to the article. – xeno talk 18:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if you would be interested in operating a bot to report users matching certain abuse filters immediately to WP:AVI, see here. That would be for the most serious ones, that need blocking at first sight. To keep it updated, the bot could check the list in a subpage. Cenarium ( talk) 22:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I know "follow redirects" would solve the annoyance of closing "delete" and only having the redirect deleted if the page is moved but it would not be such a good idea if the nominated article was redirected to an unrelated article. One could end up deleting an article not nominated for deletion. Example, if someone nominated George W. Bush's bathroom habits for deletion and somebody redirects it to George W. Bush right before you close it as "Delete", you would end up deleting George W. Bush.
The option to not do merge tags could be covered by the "generic close" proposal I made on IRC. The idea would be for a feature that would simply close the discussion and not take any other action. -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 03:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Error: missing name after . operator Source File: http://toolserver.org/~alexz/coord.js Line: 299, Column: 16 Source Code: lng = data.long;
AFAIK, .long is reserved for type checking in older JS engines/browsers (like mine). -- Splarka ( rant) 04:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Tried the tool, very nice!!!! But it does not work well since the categories are not very updated. I guess you look only for pages with a reqphoto category. But sadly many pages does not have updated categories. The two first that I found had picture and still the tag requesting the picture :-(, I'm assuming this goes the other way also, i.e. there are pages without picture and no tag. So my improvement suggestion is to add a feature to search for pages without any image inside the page. Since this runs on tool server I assume you have database access and can do this, but maybe it generate to much load and get very slow, I'm not sure, but it is my suggestion for improvement. -- Stefan talk 07:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Really nice tool. So, a minor quibble: it seems to have used the "needs-map=" parameter, as for example at the Talk:Woodrow Wilson Bridge page, as being equivalent to a reqphoto request. I don't think the two are the same; creating a map is very different than taking a photo. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand this tag since there is a References section in the article. Please explain or remove. Thanks. Bgoodnam ( talk) 15:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Regarding User talk:Kaiwhakahaere#You appear to have an imitator, please advise how I can air my suspicions with your threat to block me hanging over my head. Am I permitted to seek a checkuser or similar? Kaiwhakahaere ( talk) 01:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages, is it possible to get a column for importance ratings? I'd like to see how well our scheme is reflecting public interest. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 19:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be catching not just users creating autobios, but users creating articles on organizations & having a similar name. That is really a separate problem, & should have a separate message. Maybe you can figure out how to separate them. DGG ( talk) 20:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll let the picture say it all...
-- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
It stopped happening when I disabled the "patrollinks.js" script that I enabled in the 4th -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently working on a similar tool to yours. I want to extract the coordinate data out of each page. Any tips will be greatly appreciated.
Seo01 ( talk) 13:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, my RFA was closed today with a final tally of 75 ½/38/10. Though it didn't succeed, I wanted to thank you for your participation in it. I intend to review the support, oppose, and neutral !votes and see what I can do to address those concerns. Special thanks go to Schmidt, MICHAEL Q., TomStar81, and henrik for their co-nominations and support. — BQZip01 — talk 20:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC) |
Hi. I'm trying to mediate an edit war over the Galactus article here. Can you chime in with your two cents? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 23:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Greetings, fellow BAGger! FYI, an Arbcom decision will soon be made in which the BAG will likely be prominently mentioned. I've constructed a draft consensus statement at Wikipedia talk:Bot Approvals Group/Draft consensus statement on date delinking to assist the ArbCom. If you could indicate whether or not you approve of the various statements there, it would be very helpful. All the best, – Quadell ( talk) 12:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Z-man, It says that you are willing to consider granting rollbacker rights. Any chance of them, just because occasionally it would have been very useful? Thanks. dottydotdot ( talk) 15:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I am drafting an RfC at the above page. If you would like to add your own statement, or indicate your support for an existing statement, please feel free to do so now. I would also strongly recommend that we avoid replying to other statements, since we would be likely to repeat what was already said on the CSD talk page, and that we should try to keep the background/proposal/objections section as concise as possible; we should not begin to pack these sections, but we should leave that for our own statements. Once we have some more contributions here, I'll see about posting it to the relevant noticeboards. Thanks! -- Ryan Delaney talk 21:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Greetings, I'm just trying to get a current feel for who is still active in the project and if anybody would object to cleaning out inactive users of the verified user list. Thank you for your time. Q T C 03:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to import other scripts, without forcing the user to do it themselves? One way might be to have the page (say, User:M/faderesolved.js) contain both imports. Or perhaps some sort of onload for an object. But both of these seem a bit messy. Is there a better alternative around? 00:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, you were previously involved in a discussion about merging 3RR into WP:EW; please comment at WT:3RR#Merge 3RR into Edit War?. cheers, Rd232 talk 13:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, great one. Do you think that there would be any way to get an equivalent of Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Popular pages for some of the other projects? I'm thinking in particular here of the Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Religion projects. If there is, please let me know. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 13:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Can you request one for Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts? Thanks. Johnbod ( talk) 16:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
+-------------------------+---------+ | title | hits | +-------------------------+---------+ | Easter | 1272206 | | Good_Friday | 750028 | | Masturbation | 735900 | | Henry_VIII_of_England | 707133 | | Passover | 652933 | | Germany | 586783 | | Michael_Jackson | 575643 | | Martin_Luther_King,_Jr. | 545494 | | Mexico | 494725 | | John_F._Kennedy | 494581 | | Jesus | 488242 | | Israel | 478140 | | France | 470338 | | Italy | 464969 | | Elizabeth_I_of_England | 436677 | | Netherlands | 427588 | | Seven_deadly_sins | 394882 | | Spain | 393884 | | Bob_Dylan | 364048 | | Buddhism | 347837 | +-------------------------+---------+
You say the Sysadmins have global checkuser, but according to m:Special:GlobalGroupPermissions/sysadmin, I do not think that is the case. Am I reading it correctly? MBisanz talk 19:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
How do I go about setting up this for Wikipedia:WikiProject Mississippi? - ALLST✰R▼ echo wuz here @ 23:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Tap tap. Is this thing on? :P - ALLST✰R▼ echo wuz here @ 09:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Could you do the same for Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa, too? – Sadalmelik ☎ 06:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi there,
I use your close AFD script, and I must say that it is very useful! I was wondering if possible you could create similar scripts like this for WP:TFD, WP:CFD, WP:MFD, WP:FFD, WP:SFD and WP:RFD (where possible)?
The relevant closing instructions are at:
Thanks,
The Helpful One 09:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking more "interface to the underlying software" than "interface to the user", but I see your point. While we're on the subject, I'm more concerned about nstab-main, where disambiguation pages, redirects, and the main page are all labeled "article". Would you be okay with making this label more inclusive? The word "content" is a better description, and it fits well with "discussion"—the tabs would read "content, discussion, edit this page". — Remember the dot ( talk) 03:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Where did Special:AbuseFilter/83 go?-- Otterathome ( talk) 11:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Would it be best, for the children in Africa using Netscape, to have no linking in section headers on BLP/N? لenna vecia 19:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Your bot made this edit in which added a BLPunsourced template to a deceased person. I've seen more of this around. Thanks, Magioladitis ( talk)
As a contributor to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/RFC_on_use_of_sports_team_logos, you have been included in a request for formal mediation regarding the subject at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos. With your input and agreement to work through mediation, it is hoped we can achieve a lasting solution. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Can you add Popular Pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon? Thanks, tedder ( talk) 19:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) These have been posted, and look great: Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Popular pages. When you get some time, can you run data for Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling? Thanks. tedder ( talk) 15:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
You may or may not have noticed me tooling about with your userbox: I made some modifications and then in the most recent edit made it so that on your user page, it appears close to how you originally designed it. However if you like the modifications you may wish to undo the most recent edit that added that functionality. cheers, – xeno talk 17:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Heya! Since a few days, MrZ-bot's IRC output has changed, and it's much less useful as before:
!alert -
User:xxx has tripped 5 filters within the last 5 minutes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=xxx
There's a space missing between "5 minutes:" and the URL, effectively making the link unclickable on mIRC (and probably other clients). Is it possible to easily fix it or was it done on purpose? (Same problem on the "10 filters in the last 5 minutes" message) -- Luk talk 07:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Are we really expected to block editors for tripping the abuse filter? -- Closedmouth ( talk) 09:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
IP addresses are being reported when there are no edits or no warnings (or niether). No administrator action is required in these cases, so reporting them to AIV is counterproductive. Can you please modify your bot's function so that it only reports situations that require admin attention? Thank you. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 14:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
To answer all the questions at once:
The filters it reports immediately for are:
- for most, if not all of these filters, we're disallowing the edits, so if we aren't willing to block people for it, there should be some review of the filters. And it ignores all hits to these filters:
as they filter for things that may not be considered vandalism, so they won't be counted toward the "5 hits in 5 minutes" count. I'm open to suggestions as to what should be in the lists, or how many filter hits it should take before it reports. Mr. Z-man 16:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The kind of reports that raised my concern are one's such as User:Tez2006. According to the user's abuse filter log, he triggered warnings for "Excessive whitespace" and "Test type edits from clicking on edit bar". The user was trying to create his first article, and while it may not have been any appropriate encyclopedia article, having the bot report his actions as vandalism requiring a block seems excessive to me. He was basically just making simple newbie mistakes (unless I'm missing something). I think this bot is a great idea, and I'm glad you've taken the task of creating and running it, Mr.Z-man, but I still think it is making reports that do not require admin attention. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 17:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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The Wikipedia Bot Builder Award | |
For taking the abuse filter log and turning it into something that us regular admins can act on, I award you the Bot Builder's award. Keep up the good work =) – xeno talk 03:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC) |
One more thing about the new AF bot... Could it include a link to the abuse log filtered by the user? Like this? Right now, it's just giving details on the last edit I think, not a list of other log entries. Wknight94 talk 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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Are you a rəʊɡ admin or a ruːʒ admin? It Is Me Here t / c 23:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I've started creating some of my own userscripts, and I was wondering if you'd be okay with me copying yours so that I have a base to build off of. The final version of my script would do something completely different, but would use the same layout and formatting for use in the edit box. I just wanted to check before I went ahead and used it. Thanks! – Drilnoth ( T • C) 14:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you please set up a 'popular pages' page, similar to The Beatles' one, for Wikipedia:WikiProject Michael Jackson? Thanks in advance, Pyrrhus 16 17:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Z-man,
Requesting for popular pages for two WikiProjects - Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia and Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds. IMHO the Spoken Article project really require your stats to boost overall morale while the Bird wikiprojects will help me prioritise which bird pages to read for better reach with our very limited resources. Thanks in advance.
This is really a fantastic service you have developed. May you always be in a state of Wikinirvana.
AshLin ( talk) 15:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
The bot appears to be doing the wrong thing with indef user blocked templates -
See: [1]
It's replacing {{indefblocked}} with {{ti|indefblocked}}. The temporary userpage category is inside the indefblocked template, but the end effect is to mangle the template's display.
I think this is an artifact of not having subst'ed the template in the first place - I'm doing that now on some pages the bot did this to.
Thanks! Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 01:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you set up a page like Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy/Popular pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Acoustics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Fluid dynamics, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Relativity? These would be very usefull to have. Thanks. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 17:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure this is working properly? It appears to look for the user's name in the article title, rather than multiple edits to the same article. - Mgm| (talk) 09:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Please take a look at the above report. Somehow their first edit didn't trigger filter 32 when it should have. - Mgm| (talk) 11:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I wish to thank you for CloseAFD. It is incredibly useful and time-saving. I was wondering if you have created a script comparable to it for other XfDs, (such as MfDs, TfDs, CfDs, etc) or if you know of scripts people use. Is there a way to have an automated count appear of the !votes for Keeps, Deletes, Merge, etc, similar to that which exists for RfAs? Thanks, Valley2 city‽ 02:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC).
New Rochelle problem discussion notification: I've opened a new discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Long-running problem with respect to New Rochelle area articles.
This relates to the 4 part proposal i opened on March 26, which was closed on March 27 and archived at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive187#Proposal for unban, apology, amnesty for Jvolkblum and related others, and topic ban for Orlady.
This is a courtesy notice to all parties who had more than a one word comment in the previous discussion. I think it is a problem that won't go away, and I hope that you will be part of the solution, whether or not you and I have agreed previously. I hope that we can at least clarify the problem, if not immediately agree upon a solution. If anyone thinks this is inappropriate canvassing, I am sure they will express that. I don't anticipate too many separated discussions on this topic, but if this one is closed and a new one opens, I'll probably notify you again, unless you ask me not to. doncram ( talk) 03:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
You will notice I took all your barnstars. You can get them back by paying me.... One Million Dollars! Grsz 11 04:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I have filed a request for arbitration regarding recent bans of user accounts from which no activities could be found that dispupt Wikipedia. The arbitration request can be found here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Block of editors related to sockpuppet Jvolkblum You are not mentioned as an involved party, I send you this message as a courtesy for your information, and I hope that your opinion there can contribute to solve the issue. Thank you! doxTxob \ talk 23:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
We do not yet have a policy for removing unsourced blp articles, just unsourceable. Per WP:BEFORE, one should try to source them. (I know I am saying this to someone who has been ad admin for almost exactly as I have & knows policy just as well, but I'm explaining why I've removed some of your prods giving such reasons where I think there might be some chance of notability. One is no longer alive. One had a ref in the text. One or two I even sourced. Those I agreed would be deleted even if sourced I put on a prod2 to make that clear. I recognize there's a dispute about deletion policy for this right now at WT:CSD, and I am probably on the opposite side of it from you. so take a few of them to afd, if you like, and people will probably source some there and delete the rest. This has got to get resolved somehow. ) DGG ( talk) 05:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The article about Diego Romero (which is quite brief) has three references. What are you talking about? Cheers, Uyvsdi ( talk) 07:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Hi, "Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article, before any other items such as images, navigational templates and maintenance templates (like the "cleanup", "unreferenced", and "POV" templates)." ( WP:HNP), but your bot is moving correctly placed {{ unref}} templates, while changing them to {{ BLP unsourced}}, to put them above hatnotes. Please correct your bot, and correct the changes it has already made. See example here. PamD ( talk) 10:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Article Ralph Murphy; Your bot has updated the noreferences banner, to BLP unsourced. Because the article does indeed have four 'minor' references, I've decided to update the banner once again, to "Refimprove" for accuracy. Please make further adjustments to this if necessary. WikHead ( talk) 22:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I have been notified that you have removed a wikipedia entry about me based on your thoughts that it was a train wreck. While some of the information was unsourced, it would seem that you should delete the unsourced information instead of the entire article.
In checking the sources that are allowable for BLPs, I have discovered that self published information (such as a twitter stream) are allowable so long as the source is written by the subject of the bio. Since people contributed sources from my public twitter page, these would be deemed appropriate.
Furthermore, the entry itself is based upon several sources of notable information. I can be reached at my publicly known email address if you wish to discuss further.
Nikol Hasler 69.113.165.192 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC).
I found out through various sources that you have removed the wikipedia entry I established for Nikol Hasler. This entry was created with Ms. Hasler's permission, and while much of it was based on her public Twitter stream (with her expressed permission), other sections were sourced from more traditionally verifiable sources.
As for your characterization of the article as a "train wreck"; the scattershot style of portions of the article were illustrative of various aspects of Ms. Hasler's personality and lifestyle. When a person does not lead a traditional lifestyle, a biography page cannot be squeezed into a traditional mold.
I respectfully request that the article be restored. If there are unverifable/unsourced contributions those individual contributions should be marked for review; but the entire article should not be deleted.
Flahute ( talk) 00:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr Zed,
My recollection of Nikol's page was that it was fairly detailed, with information about her past, present, credits in print and television. All in all it was a good biography with myriad references and specific sources, and links to Nikol's magazine column and show - so where is the problem? If you honestly found it a train wreck, why not edit it and put the information into a cohesive state? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroborange ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I liked this comment so much, I decided to immortalise it, in a small way. Hope you don't mind. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEEL TALK 13:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aitias/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aitias/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, [[Sam Korn]] (smoddy) 22:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The auto-script you wrote for me can't handle the name Im a Socialist! What Are You; just letting you know. DS ( talk) 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
... Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Dylan620 Bot. It'll do the same thing as your old CAT:TEMP deletion bot ( talk · contribs), if you don't mind. I really liked that bot's concept, so I would like to bring it back as my own bot. Sincerely, Dylan ( chat, work, ping, sign) 15:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed that your bot is malfunctioning. It has been adding the BLPunsourced tag to several well-referenced articles on my watchlist. Here is one example (an article with 6 references and 2 links ( [2]). Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 03:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Your claims of imminent deletion are completely wrong. Nobody is talking about deleting all articles tagged with {{ BLP unsourced}} (at least not without prior review first). This is blatantly obvious and any claims otherwise are fear-mongering rhetoric. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 00:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Man, I flipped out too for a second, thought your bot was going all betacommand. Please add an explanatory note about the tag replacement in the edit summary, seeing multiple "unsourced BLP"s appear in the watchlist was kind of scary. Then again, I wouldn't be against appending a giant flashy tag that read "You're not taking this crap seriously now, are you?" to articles ;) ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 04:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I've replied to your oppose because not once have I said you cannot block with less than 3 reversions for edit warring. I said you cannot block for 3RR (obviously ^^). Thanks. — Cyclonenim | Chat 17:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Look, I call it like I see it. I don't know you so theres no reason for you to take offense. Take your guard down and just here me out. I figured that you were an editor(like most are)that are only impressed by 2527256 edits and a couple of barnstars. I was trying to be as friendly as possible but I said it like I would have if we were face to face. Hope there are no hard feelings. See you on the battle field. :P-- Gears of War 2 (NGG) 23:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
-- IRP ☎ 20:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, you might want to preemptively remove the last zero from wgPageName.indexOf('Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/200')
so the closeAFD.js script continues to work when 2010 rolls around. :) Thanks so much for the script, it's really helpful. —
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The now-inactive CAT:TEMP deletion bot, which you operated, deleted User talk:JedRothwell. Because there are problems relating to the alleged ban of this editor, and a current RfAr pending acceptance by the arbitrators, and it is possible that the history of this page may be relevant, I'm requesting undeletion. Thanks. -- Abd ( talk) 13:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm contacting yourself and some other uninvolved editors to see if you would be willng to read through an RfC at the Article Rescue Squad. It will be far from the most glamourous use of your time but it will help us see if we have reached a decision on this issue. I think the discussion has died down and concensus has been reached but another user has posited I'm misreading this. For the moment I've left my comments in the "Motion to close" and collapsed template in place but if others agree there is no consensus I'm fine removing or reworking them. The discussion itself isn't too brutal and the comments have stayed reasonably well organized so it shouldn't take long. Please read the RfC and discussion and offer your take in the "Motion to close" section. Thank you! -- Banjeboi 13:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Yo, Mr.Z-man, I was wondering if you had though any more about the BLP list proposal at Bot Requests? Regards, Skomorokh 20:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there a chance you can amalgamate traffic stats for WikiProject Mammals and it's descendants: WikiProject Dogs, WikiProject Squirrels, WikiProject Cats, WikiProject Equine, WikiProject Cetaceans, WikiProject Primates and WikiProject Monotremes and Marsupials? The problem being is that a lot of mammal articles are only tagged with the banners of the descendent WikiProject. If you can make one stats page for them all that would be great, if not could you just create the popular pages for WikiProject Cetaceans and WikiProject Primates. Cheers, Jack ( talk) 11:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I was in preparations to boldly close the AFD as moved back to templatespace when you closed it. What are your thoughts on this? My opinion is that it belongs in templatespace, and should go back there (see my comments at User talk:Rootology, the TFD should've been closed as speedy keep imo). If someone wants to nominate it again at TFD, the TFD tags can be <noinclude'ed> to prevent disruption to the article. – xeno talk 18:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if you would be interested in operating a bot to report users matching certain abuse filters immediately to WP:AVI, see here. That would be for the most serious ones, that need blocking at first sight. To keep it updated, the bot could check the list in a subpage. Cenarium ( talk) 22:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I know "follow redirects" would solve the annoyance of closing "delete" and only having the redirect deleted if the page is moved but it would not be such a good idea if the nominated article was redirected to an unrelated article. One could end up deleting an article not nominated for deletion. Example, if someone nominated George W. Bush's bathroom habits for deletion and somebody redirects it to George W. Bush right before you close it as "Delete", you would end up deleting George W. Bush.
The option to not do merge tags could be covered by the "generic close" proposal I made on IRC. The idea would be for a feature that would simply close the discussion and not take any other action. -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 03:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Error: missing name after . operator Source File: http://toolserver.org/~alexz/coord.js Line: 299, Column: 16 Source Code: lng = data.long;
AFAIK, .long is reserved for type checking in older JS engines/browsers (like mine). -- Splarka ( rant) 04:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Tried the tool, very nice!!!! But it does not work well since the categories are not very updated. I guess you look only for pages with a reqphoto category. But sadly many pages does not have updated categories. The two first that I found had picture and still the tag requesting the picture :-(, I'm assuming this goes the other way also, i.e. there are pages without picture and no tag. So my improvement suggestion is to add a feature to search for pages without any image inside the page. Since this runs on tool server I assume you have database access and can do this, but maybe it generate to much load and get very slow, I'm not sure, but it is my suggestion for improvement. -- Stefan talk 07:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Really nice tool. So, a minor quibble: it seems to have used the "needs-map=" parameter, as for example at the Talk:Woodrow Wilson Bridge page, as being equivalent to a reqphoto request. I don't think the two are the same; creating a map is very different than taking a photo. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand this tag since there is a References section in the article. Please explain or remove. Thanks. Bgoodnam ( talk) 15:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Regarding User talk:Kaiwhakahaere#You appear to have an imitator, please advise how I can air my suspicions with your threat to block me hanging over my head. Am I permitted to seek a checkuser or similar? Kaiwhakahaere ( talk) 01:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages, is it possible to get a column for importance ratings? I'd like to see how well our scheme is reflecting public interest. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 19:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be catching not just users creating autobios, but users creating articles on organizations & having a similar name. That is really a separate problem, & should have a separate message. Maybe you can figure out how to separate them. DGG ( talk) 20:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll let the picture say it all...
-- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
It stopped happening when I disabled the "patrollinks.js" script that I enabled in the 4th -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently working on a similar tool to yours. I want to extract the coordinate data out of each page. Any tips will be greatly appreciated.
Seo01 ( talk) 13:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, my RFA was closed today with a final tally of 75 ½/38/10. Though it didn't succeed, I wanted to thank you for your participation in it. I intend to review the support, oppose, and neutral !votes and see what I can do to address those concerns. Special thanks go to Schmidt, MICHAEL Q., TomStar81, and henrik for their co-nominations and support. — BQZip01 — talk 20:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC) |
Hi. I'm trying to mediate an edit war over the Galactus article here. Can you chime in with your two cents? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 23:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Greetings, fellow BAGger! FYI, an Arbcom decision will soon be made in which the BAG will likely be prominently mentioned. I've constructed a draft consensus statement at Wikipedia talk:Bot Approvals Group/Draft consensus statement on date delinking to assist the ArbCom. If you could indicate whether or not you approve of the various statements there, it would be very helpful. All the best, – Quadell ( talk) 12:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Z-man, It says that you are willing to consider granting rollbacker rights. Any chance of them, just because occasionally it would have been very useful? Thanks. dottydotdot ( talk) 15:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I am drafting an RfC at the above page. If you would like to add your own statement, or indicate your support for an existing statement, please feel free to do so now. I would also strongly recommend that we avoid replying to other statements, since we would be likely to repeat what was already said on the CSD talk page, and that we should try to keep the background/proposal/objections section as concise as possible; we should not begin to pack these sections, but we should leave that for our own statements. Once we have some more contributions here, I'll see about posting it to the relevant noticeboards. Thanks! -- Ryan Delaney talk 21:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Greetings, I'm just trying to get a current feel for who is still active in the project and if anybody would object to cleaning out inactive users of the verified user list. Thank you for your time. Q T C 03:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to import other scripts, without forcing the user to do it themselves? One way might be to have the page (say, User:M/faderesolved.js) contain both imports. Or perhaps some sort of onload for an object. But both of these seem a bit messy. Is there a better alternative around? 00:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, you were previously involved in a discussion about merging 3RR into WP:EW; please comment at WT:3RR#Merge 3RR into Edit War?. cheers, Rd232 talk 13:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, great one. Do you think that there would be any way to get an equivalent of Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Popular pages for some of the other projects? I'm thinking in particular here of the Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Religion projects. If there is, please let me know. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 13:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Can you request one for Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts? Thanks. Johnbod ( talk) 16:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
+-------------------------+---------+ | title | hits | +-------------------------+---------+ | Easter | 1272206 | | Good_Friday | 750028 | | Masturbation | 735900 | | Henry_VIII_of_England | 707133 | | Passover | 652933 | | Germany | 586783 | | Michael_Jackson | 575643 | | Martin_Luther_King,_Jr. | 545494 | | Mexico | 494725 | | John_F._Kennedy | 494581 | | Jesus | 488242 | | Israel | 478140 | | France | 470338 | | Italy | 464969 | | Elizabeth_I_of_England | 436677 | | Netherlands | 427588 | | Seven_deadly_sins | 394882 | | Spain | 393884 | | Bob_Dylan | 364048 | | Buddhism | 347837 | +-------------------------+---------+
You say the Sysadmins have global checkuser, but according to m:Special:GlobalGroupPermissions/sysadmin, I do not think that is the case. Am I reading it correctly? MBisanz talk 19:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
How do I go about setting up this for Wikipedia:WikiProject Mississippi? - ALLST✰R▼ echo wuz here @ 23:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Tap tap. Is this thing on? :P - ALLST✰R▼ echo wuz here @ 09:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Could you do the same for Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa, too? – Sadalmelik ☎ 06:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi there,
I use your close AFD script, and I must say that it is very useful! I was wondering if possible you could create similar scripts like this for WP:TFD, WP:CFD, WP:MFD, WP:FFD, WP:SFD and WP:RFD (where possible)?
The relevant closing instructions are at:
Thanks,
The Helpful One 09:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking more "interface to the underlying software" than "interface to the user", but I see your point. While we're on the subject, I'm more concerned about nstab-main, where disambiguation pages, redirects, and the main page are all labeled "article". Would you be okay with making this label more inclusive? The word "content" is a better description, and it fits well with "discussion"—the tabs would read "content, discussion, edit this page". — Remember the dot ( talk) 03:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Where did Special:AbuseFilter/83 go?-- Otterathome ( talk) 11:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Would it be best, for the children in Africa using Netscape, to have no linking in section headers on BLP/N? لenna vecia 19:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Your bot made this edit in which added a BLPunsourced template to a deceased person. I've seen more of this around. Thanks, Magioladitis ( talk)
As a contributor to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/RFC_on_use_of_sports_team_logos, you have been included in a request for formal mediation regarding the subject at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos. With your input and agreement to work through mediation, it is hoped we can achieve a lasting solution. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Can you add Popular Pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon? Thanks, tedder ( talk) 19:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) These have been posted, and look great: Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Popular pages. When you get some time, can you run data for Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling? Thanks. tedder ( talk) 15:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
You may or may not have noticed me tooling about with your userbox: I made some modifications and then in the most recent edit made it so that on your user page, it appears close to how you originally designed it. However if you like the modifications you may wish to undo the most recent edit that added that functionality. cheers, – xeno talk 17:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Heya! Since a few days, MrZ-bot's IRC output has changed, and it's much less useful as before:
!alert -
User:xxx has tripped 5 filters within the last 5 minutes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=xxx
There's a space missing between "5 minutes:" and the URL, effectively making the link unclickable on mIRC (and probably other clients). Is it possible to easily fix it or was it done on purpose? (Same problem on the "10 filters in the last 5 minutes" message) -- Luk talk 07:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Are we really expected to block editors for tripping the abuse filter? -- Closedmouth ( talk) 09:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
IP addresses are being reported when there are no edits or no warnings (or niether). No administrator action is required in these cases, so reporting them to AIV is counterproductive. Can you please modify your bot's function so that it only reports situations that require admin attention? Thank you. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 14:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
To answer all the questions at once:
The filters it reports immediately for are:
- for most, if not all of these filters, we're disallowing the edits, so if we aren't willing to block people for it, there should be some review of the filters. And it ignores all hits to these filters:
as they filter for things that may not be considered vandalism, so they won't be counted toward the "5 hits in 5 minutes" count. I'm open to suggestions as to what should be in the lists, or how many filter hits it should take before it reports. Mr. Z-man 16:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The kind of reports that raised my concern are one's such as User:Tez2006. According to the user's abuse filter log, he triggered warnings for "Excessive whitespace" and "Test type edits from clicking on edit bar". The user was trying to create his first article, and while it may not have been any appropriate encyclopedia article, having the bot report his actions as vandalism requiring a block seems excessive to me. He was basically just making simple newbie mistakes (unless I'm missing something). I think this bot is a great idea, and I'm glad you've taken the task of creating and running it, Mr.Z-man, but I still think it is making reports that do not require admin attention. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 17:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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For taking the abuse filter log and turning it into something that us regular admins can act on, I award you the Bot Builder's award. Keep up the good work =) – xeno talk 03:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC) |
One more thing about the new AF bot... Could it include a link to the abuse log filtered by the user? Like this? Right now, it's just giving details on the last edit I think, not a list of other log entries. Wknight94 talk 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)