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Thank you for emerging as the voice of reason on the discussion page. I would like to complement you on a very sensible proposal. cairoi 14:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. It's always nice to have one's efforts appreciated. • It's an intellectual and social challenge to comment the talk page, which is where the real action is. As I think you mentioned to another editor, it's a tough crowd, and I wouldn't be surprised if no more than a tiny useful change results from our collective effort. :) Milo 21:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I just logged in and saw the barnstar. Very kind of you. cairoi 06:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Milomedes, I want to offer a belated apology for the way I reacted to you awhile back (on Cult I believe). It was not how I want to behave. Tanaats 17:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I personally define cult topic centrism as:
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Milo, I award you this barnstar for going where no man or woman dared to go: Thank you, for your kind/wise well thought out words and the spunk to state them! Wikipedia can be most rewarding when someone reminds us to be respectful while discussing the points. PEACE TalkAbout 02:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC) |
wow, thanks, TalkAbout. That's really nice of you to post this Wiki Wiffle Bat template. I'll treasure it. :) Milo 03:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Milo - A link to "New Thought Music" appeared today in the New Age music see also section. After some research I removed that link, and explained my reasons here: Talk:New Age music#reasons for removing unrelated "See Also" link New Thought Music. I'm writing to you about it now though because I think the "New Thought Music" article itself is misleading. There is no genre with that name anywhere in generally accepted musicology and it fails WP:MUSIC and WP:Notability. I'm wondering whether or not to propose removing that article from the music genre category and merging the text into the main article about the New Thought Movement where it would be more approriate, as it's the message not the music that makes it what it is.
The website NewThoughtMusic.com [1] includes this statement:
The purpose of the NewThoughtMusic.com site is two fold:
- To support the growth of music ministry in our communities
- To promote the best of New Thought Music as an outreach function
That's the same website that I quoted on the New Age music talkpage:
Since it is this universal spiritual philosophy that is the common thread, virtually any style of music could be construed as New Thought. What is important is the intention encoded into the music, not the stylistic form itself. So, it is possible for us to find examples of "New Thought Music" in folk, jazz, classical and even in existing popular repertoire (Stevie Wonder, Sly Stone, James Taylor and many others).
Here is another website promoting this idea: [2] where they state:
Help shine the light of New Thought music to the world by experiencing the transformation this music can bring first-hand. Support New Thought artists by purchasing their music. Offer one of our Tribute CD’s to a friend or family member not familiar with this music. The Tribute CD’s provide a variety of artists and musical styles, and each song has a positive spiritual message for all faiths.
Visit the Itoi Ministries website www.itoimusic.org for more information on the New Thought Songwriters Tribute and the PosiPalooza! Concert Tour and help us change the world, one song at a time!
I thought you would be interested in this both regarding the musicology aspects and also regarding your work with the list of cults articles. I'm not saying these related groups are cults, though they might be seen that way, and even if they are, I don't have anything against cults in general as a principle unless they behave badly. The topic of music genres is already complex and we don't need a non-existent genre confusing the topic even more. The thing that's bothering me here is the claim of this as a genre while at the same time saying this form of music crosses all genres, as long as it includes their spiritual message. A positive spiritual message is fine with me, but the article seems to create extra confusion in the musical genres which is what I want to clear up.
What do you think about this? Would it be best to ignore the whole thing? Or work on merging that stub into its main religious movement article and out of the music genre category? I don't have an agenda on this in particular other than that WP music genre articles should be about music and not about religion (just as Gospel genre articles focus on the music, not the religion). I'm not sure whether to, or how to, proceed on this, so I'm hoping you can offer some clarity. Thanks for your help... Parzival418 06:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
(reset) Here's a nice development - The IP editor who had placed that link accepted the comments and removed the music-genre-stub template from his article, diff. I think his article does have a place in the music category, now that it's not trying to be a genre. It's good to see positive consensus in action... Parzival418 23:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
... for the diff link on the talk page of LOGRTACIGR. That was thoughtful of you. Smee 03:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
(Copied from User:CambridgeBayWeather - Archive of Post-Ambient talk at Ambient?)
You deleted
Post-Ambient with the following edit summary "08:02, 24 April 2007 CambridgeBayWeather (Talk | contribs) deleted "Post-Ambient" (PRod:No references or sources... No real content... not notable... no consensus to keep...)".
I have no significant disagreement with your summary. One user wanted to do research for sources, as he said the
Post-Ambient concept was under discussion within the related music community. He can still do that research while the article is deleted. However, I think it's useful to archive that article's talk page whether or not the article or concept gets revived.
As an admin I think you have acccess to the deleted material. I suggest that the
Post-Ambient talk page should be archived as a subpage at
Ambient, and I would (boldly) do this if I had access. (Please reply here if desired) Milo 16:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Milo. Just from watching your stuff on the list thing, you seem to be pretty level-headed. I would kinda like to see you pitch in in the Great Commission Association article if you're interested. Gatorgalen 13:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There's been talk about the coordination and co-operation of the anti-spoiler side. That may be an exaggeration, but it's painfully clear that we can shout into the woods all we want without getting anywhere without laid-out goals and viable alternatives to the present spoiler policy, not just criticisms of it, however justified they may be. I'm open to suggestions, and feel free to reply to any that other people make on my talk page.
In the meantime, here's a symbol. Please keep it on your talk page, or even put it on your user page should you get one; if we get it on enough pages, it might just count for something. Please remove it if you don't want to show it. And if you've got a better picture, be my guest and use it. -- Kizor 16:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Milo... what do you think of this: [3] and this: [4] ?
Seems to me, plain text spoiler notices are better since they don't advertise their presence for editors not involved in an article. -- Parzival418 Hello 18:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up On second thought, I've decided to disengage over there. The positions there are too entrenched, it's not a real discussion where people are listening to each other, it's territorial. Take a look if you want, but I'm not going to continue arguing the point, because, well... what's the point to that? And by the way, at least one of the editors on that topic is watching your page and posted a link to this section. I assume my page is on watch as well now, since I've been fairly vocal on that discussion for a few days and edited the guideline page a few times. I truly don't understand why some people dislike the spoiler notices so much, something that seems to be a simple and non-disruptive service to readers. But I'm not going to make it a "cause", I'm winding down my involvement with that topic. Have a good day.... -- Parzival418 Hello 19:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Could you update your position on Talk:Space music#Request for Comments? I want to make sure your view is accurately represented. Thank you. — Viriditas | Talk 00:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Spacemusic genre distinguished in 100 words
"Almost any music having a slow pace and space-creating sound images could be called spacemusic". Spacemusic was named in 1973 by Hill and Turner on "Hearts of Space" radio. USA spacemusic is defined by the contemplative uplifting HoS segue formula, avoiding depressive, spooky, atonal, or noisy "dark music". Spacemusic genre intends for foreground contemplation, especially with headphones. Spacemusic is not a type of ambient music, but both genres share many compositions. Eno's 1978 album defined background music named ambient. When sound images are faint, spacemusic becomes indistinguishable from background melodic ambient, but much ambient is not foreground imagery contemplative.
Hi Milo, when you have a chance, please take a look at these links:
Thanks... -- Parzival418 Hello 00:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi again... I had included the fusion section of your version of the article in my update listed above. But I had to add an unreferenced section tag to it since there are no references. After considering further, I decided to remove that section since it's the only part of the article that didn't have references. Here is the new link:
I like that section and want to include it, but we need to find some references first or it will get deleted anyway. You're welcome to add it back in if you want, I just didn't want the lack of references in that section to be a source of difficulty with the rest of the article at this point. -- Parzival418 Hello 02:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with his music, but I did get a chance to meet him and his family about three years ago when he was here in Hawaii. He's one of the nicest, most polite people I've ever met. — Viriditas | Talk 12:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Milo - I saw your edit summary on Space music about moving the list to follow the references about the relaxing genre and atmospherics but the edit seemed not to "take" and just looked like a null edit. I think there might have been an edit conflict glitch since I was editing the history section at the same time - maybe it would be good if you review your edit in case it needs to be re-applied. I thought of putting the list there myself but could quite make the wording work clearly which is why I put it where I did. I think you have a good idea on that though.
I replied to various comments on Viriditas' page and the SpM talk page too. I'm getting ready to sign off for the night, have a good one... -- Parzival418 Hello 09:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Messier 82. Composite of Chandra, HST and Spitzer images. X-ray data recorded by Chandra appears in blue; infrared light recorded by Spitzer appears in red; Hubble's observations of hydrogen emission appear in orange, and the bluest visible light appears in yellow-green.
Hi Milo - I see you've been busy on Spoiler Alerts, (wow, what a discussion that's been, eh?!)... I've been mostly helping out with WQA lately, that's been quite an education about how people and policy get along together. The WQA page is more lively and effective lately with the new organization and there are several other editors helping out which is cool. They started on the "pay it forward" idea after I modified the instructions and some seemed to like it and continued to help. It's good to see those alerts not just going fallow so much, though there are still too many to keep up with.
Anyway, I wanted to check in with you since you didn't reply about the new laughingsocks last week. I think gp is on holiday, and I have not been editing SpM since the prior notes (I think it's good now, though I don't make any assumptions about smooth sailing in the future ). Viriditas wrote that he was going to make some improvements but I haven't seen any changes there lately. I did add a proposed info-box on the talk page - do you think that's a plus for the article, or better without it since it's really made for more formal "genres"? Drop me a note if you like. Oh, and I changed my user name to get rid of those pesky numbers that people so often got wrong... Best Wishes... -- Parsifal Hello 06:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh by the way, your post tonight at Taxonomy of the spoiler debate was right on, well done.
On a related topic, you may want to check out the archiving bots post at the Village pump -- Parsifal Hello 07:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi - just wondering, do you still have Viriditas talk page on your watchlist? Not a big deal, but there's some recent activity there.
On a different topic, how about that spoiler talk page? Think that'll still be going on in five years? I bet we have hideable spoiler tags long before then. I like the way IMDB does it - I added a description of their method to IMDB#Plot-related features and spoiler warnings. How fast will the spoiler-search-bot find that edit? -- Parsifal Hello 06:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Milo, just when I am between projects, shucks, missed your sharp wit and funny ways. Say, my condition must be getting better as I got a 4 during the summer. Yes, going back to school to see if I can learn a thing or two. Have a good vacation, catch a wave or two. I am feeling like I need one too. left the .0 out on purpose:-)PEACE TalkAbout 08:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Ref HoS #10 Is All Not One? HoS #55 Is All Not Two?
MIlo, please take a look at the talk pages of both GP and Viriditas. Check the histories to find the most recent parts of their communications. I haven't responded yet because I've been simply not replying at all to the insults and accusations from GP. But now it looks like some participation in that discussion may be needed, unfortunately. --
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P.S. I found and added to the article a cool quote of Stockhausen actually using the term "space music" to describe his own work; and also that Miles Davis studied Stockhausen's music and some of Miles' work has been called "space music" too. Davis in 1982: "...I listen to Stockhausen and Ravel. " -- Parsifal Hello 07:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Well done analysis; I've started reading through those links and there's a lot of interesting information there. I agree the ambient blob needs to perform meiosis; new ambient(ravemusics) & old ambient(background). Regarding the evolution of the ambient blob, there was an intriguing comment in one of those links that I had not thought about before but makes a lot of sense - that in the chill rooms at the raves, they played old ambient(background/environmental), but the rave-techno-house music in the main rooms was so loud that it was heard in the background in the chill rooms, together with the environmental ambient music. That combination created a new kind of music, a blend of the ambient/chill music of spacey ambient backgrounds together with dance-loop beats. Then, when that mix was made in studios, away from the raves and the stimulant-enhanced pulse rate, chillout music evolved like slowed-down rave music mixed with ambient, ie, ambient dub, etc...
I was aware of the ambient component of the chillout music, but this new point is interesting, the thing that makes it chillout music instead of dance music is that the beat is coming from the other room in the distance, and the ambient sounds are more present locally; that changes the "pushy" dance beat to a background pulse as part of the ambient environment.
But how does splitting Ambient (Eno/Satie/Environmental) and Ambient (Enhanced/Chillout/Loud dance music in the other room) apply to space music? Space music in many cases is too "present" to be used in a rave chillout room, because it wouldn't mix well with the drum beats from the other room, and other factors - ie, because spacemusic (classic) is not Ambient (Eno/Satie/Environmental). I've seen, in the sources, and in general current usage, space music almost always used as either Space music (classic), or as Space music (historical), [ie Miles Davis/Grateful Dead/Pink Floyd]. It's possible there are people using Space music to refer to Ambient (Enhanced/Chillout/Loud dance music in the other room), but I haven't seen that anywhere, so it seems like if there was an article on spacemusic (ambient blob), the article would be almost empty. I suppose there could be enough material to make a fork article about spacemusic (electronic). But those seem more like WP:SPINOUT than true disambiguation; in other words, spacemusic as a term and an idea has had an ongoing evolution from Stockhausen, Miles Davis, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, etc... to the 1990's electronic forms, to more recent digital workstation formats, and the addition of other genres to blend the programming, like the native flutes or celtic, as found in the HoS shows.
So, what would be the other side of the disambiguation if spacemusic (classic) separates the HoS-related usage? I've seen it used to refer to spacemusic (electronic) but very rarely seen it used to refer to spacemusic (new ambient/chill); usually if someone refers to that music, they just call it ambient. It's hard to see the need for an article about spacemusic (new ambient/chill), since the ambient music article already covers that topic; it would just be a stub; there are so few references. Another split could be spacemusic (music genre) vs spacemusic (psychoacoustic programming); it still seems unclear though. Other than that there is someone who doesn't like the term space music and edits to absorb it into the ambient blob, I think the article has been working pretty well and aside from Wikipedia issues, does not need to be split. Music genre classifications are challenging as a topic in general, and it seems that on Wikipedia they're extra challenging because people have such strong feelings about those topics.
I'm not averse to disambiguating spacemusic; I'm just having trouble visualizing how it could be split, because one of the forks would be pretty much as the current version is, and the other fork or forks would be almost empty. On the other hand, disambiguation is needed even more on the Ambient music article. That's a bigger job because the people who like Ambient (Enhanced/Chillout/Loud dance music in the other room) also feel some sort of "connection" with Brian Eno's initial naming of Ambient (Eno/Satie/Environmental), and if we try to separate that, more ambient pods will likely be activated. But that's the core of the ambient (everygenre) issue. -- Parsifal Hello 04:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Following up your note on my talk page - did you have a chance to read my reply about the SpM references? (and the note about the Ambient Century book?) Just wondering if you're satisfied with the version of the article per GP's change. I notice that his edit caused the middle of the first paragraph to almost completely duplicate the middle of the second paragraph, including the list of references (plus there's the very good Star's End reference that he omitted completely). -- Parsifal Hello 07:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the reversions on SpM, who knows what you'll find when you get this note, but tonight GP reverted - in one edit - both your reinstatement of the history info, and, my reinstatement of the stars' end reference (used in 6 places), and the word "broad" re range of genres, in the intro.
I had also added around the same time, the words "psychoacoustic" and "spacey" to the second paragraph, but I did not interchange the paragraphs and restore the "selection of songs" version of the intro as it was in the version from last week. He has so far not reverted the second paragraph changes, but there was an EC so I don't know if he saw them yet.
Then, I re-added the stars' end reference he kept deleting, as a separate edit, so it's clear it's not a content change. I did it separately last time too, but it seems he's just pretty much reverting whatever I add, so who knows if he even noticed that.
I have not yet though, re-added the word "broad" to the intro regarding "broad range of genres", and I've not yet restored the Pythagoras info he removed twice. I'm being careful because although I've been doing only occasional reverts, I've been doing a lot of edits and I don't want anything to be misunderstood. So the current open items are: to re-add the word "broad" & the Greek history info. If you want to do one or both of those, that would be cool. Of course, by the time you see this, things may have changed again.
(The Pythagoras stuff is interesting, there's more in the sources I haven't had time to review in detail.... he ascribed some healing qualities to music too, according to his contemporaries. I have a few more references on that, but my Wikitime has limits. I'll get to them eventuatlly.) -- Parsifal Hello 09:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. take a look at GP's & V's talk pages for recent entries. -- Parsifal Hello 23:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - Thanks for your note - have to make this short - time management issues.... Meanwhile, re your "PS"... , at the timestamp of this message, the word "broad" is missing from "broad range of genres" in the intro, even though it's strongly supported by the references. The star's end reference I re-added last night, as it was just a reference and not a content change, GP's not reverted it; we'll see if that changes. The Greek stuff is cool too (and not OR, it's of historical interest), but less important than the intro. I'll reply to the rest of your note as soon as I can make the time... Have a good one... -- Parsifal Hello 06:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. GP comment and my reply, on new SpM editor's talk page -- Parsifal Hello 22:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
PPS... Does HoS program Space Music? -- Parsifal Hello 03:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
PPPS... further on HoS -- Parsifal Hello 07:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
"Obviously I can safely look at the page for a film I've seen, or for a book I already know I won't want to see. But for anything in between those categories – any anime, computer game, film, book, or TV series that I might or might not want to see, as well as for random characters like the Dread Pirate Roberts where I might not be able to remember what fictional work they're from – Wikipedia is no longer safe for me to use."
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Hey, Milo. I'm wondering how you might integrate this use of the word "safe" into your general thesis that the word "warning" is misappiled to spoiler tags? Ethan Mitchell 19:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
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I, Parsifal, hereby award this most rhetorical of barnstars to Milomedes, for the dependable and unique excellence of his concept-English focus-devices, memorable utility words, and arguments both deep and entertaining at the same time. -- Parsifal Hello 08:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
Milo, I know you like a blank user page and probably have no use for a barnstar, but after reading your response to Melodia's meltdown, and various other of your (non-GP, non SpM) debates, I wanted to express my appreciation for what I've learned from your unusual and intriguing approach. I don't know if you've studied the techniques or made them up yourself, but I've never seen anything like it; you make logical points that often that take some thought to apprehend but then seem simple and clear once they are apprehended, and somehow, right there in the midst of the rhetoric, humor is lurking in the next turn of phrase.
I'm taking an extended wikibreak due to time management issues, so I won't be on-wiki as regularly as I have been. You were the first person to post on my talk page in March, and I'm sure you recall what the issue was. I will still edit and check my talk page and watchlist when I can, but I don't know how often. SpM and related topics of course, will have my attention when I do. In the meantime, I have some insights about Wikipedia I'd like to discuss with you, but in email, not on-Wiki (and [GP], since you are reading this, no, you are not what's on my mind here)... My email link is active and you are certainly welcome to use it, though I am aware that you have told others you don't use email, so if you choose not to, I understand and no problem.
Best Wishes,... -- Parsifal Hello 08:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
So much for Wikibreak, eh? Actually, I am limiting my time compared to previously, though I need to scale back more.
I guess I should post the following on the talk page, maybe I will later, but for now I just wanted to let you know why I didn't add the footnotes you requested. They are all there in the history section, and they can be collected if needed, but I didn't add them because the first part of that sentence was pure OR, that the usage of the term is limited to artists who used the term themselves (even with the 8 commentator exception).
It may be a true fact, or maybe not, I don't know. I've been surprised at how many sources I found already about space music before HoS. But I have not been able to find even one source discussing the historical use of the term, or whether or not it was used before a certain time. If we were writing about "Rock and Roll" we could easily find sources like that. But in this case, we don't have them, so the only way to include that statement would be to toss WP:V out the window.... well, IMHO that is. -- Parsifal Hello 03:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. a little something for your watchlist... -- Parsifal Hello 05:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I've responded at Talk:Space music, but in the form of a question. I don't understand what [GP] is getting at any more than you do. We'll just have to see what he says. Postmodern Beatnik 22:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[5]. As you were previously involved in a debate at WP:PW over spoilers and sources, you may wish to comment at the link. Thanks, Dav nel 03 21:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't know why you added "Category:People from Pinehurst, North Carolina" to
Annie Oakley, the superstar sharpshooter (1860-1926). She was from western Ohio, and AFAIK, the only other place she had put down significant roots was Cambridge, Maryland. Perhaps there is a wrestler by that ring name? If so, that person should be added to
Annie Oakley (disambiguation). (Please reply here if desired)
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(Note User:Clay4president2 removed the category 00:55, 6 February 2008)
Great work on the "Christian Cult" article. You really whipped it into shape. -- Editor2020 ( talk) 03:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not sure why it showed up red for me. I've restored the redirect. east.718 at 18:02, February 18, 2008
A solomonic decision. Works for me.-- Editor2020 ( talk) 01:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The Christian idea you refer to on User talk:Will Beback actually comes from Zoroastrianism. Viriditas ( talk) 14:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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COLLECT FOR THE FIRST SUNDAY OF ADVENT
...give us grace to cast away the works of darkness, and put on the armor of light,...
This phrase is adapted from the 1662 Book of Common Prayer
[6], spelled "armour" there. The entire
col'-lect has been substantially updated for language since 1662. Also this collect has been recast in
Common Worship, a semiofficial contemporary replacement for the BCP.
This collect is based on
KJV Romans 13:12.
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Hi. A new discussion relating to an anon-IP editor on Illegal immigration to the United States — a person who may possibly be the same anon-IP you and I talked about last summer — is happening at User talk:GTBacchus#Dispute resolution help needed. Just FYI, in case you might want to join in (but I'll certainly understand if you decide you don't want to). Richwales ( talk) 07:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my proposal. I am wary, though, to discuss your items 2 and 3 on that page for fear of overly complicating the discussion. Would it be possible to move them to WT:Linking and WT:Build the web, respectively? (We could replace them with a template like {{ Moved conversation}}.) — Sebastian 02:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Milo. I saw you using nested <small> tags in the Blood and Roses MfD; see here where I cut them. This sort of nesting really isn't proper form and I hope you'll not do it down the road. It gives inconsistent rendering in browsers because a few *do* step the size down further while modern browsers do not. Same goes for <big>. Other than that, you're spot-on in that discussion. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as I agree with you, I'm wondering if you possibly misinterpreted my recent comment at the MFD? -- JayHenry ( talk) 03:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
"MOS says not to link quotes is because linking is ...add your own layer of meaning to someone else's words." That's an impressively good argument from authority. Milo 02:41, 20 August 2009
"On the other hand, arguments from authority are an important part of informal logic. Since we cannot have expert knowledge of many subjects, we often rely on the judgments of those who do. There is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority is true, the fallacy only arises when it is claimed or implied that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be exempted from criticism:..."
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Apologies if I'm digging at old wounds, but I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Revisiting Milomedes. – Luna Santin ( talk) 08:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you for emerging as the voice of reason on the discussion page. I would like to complement you on a very sensible proposal. cairoi 14:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. It's always nice to have one's efforts appreciated. • It's an intellectual and social challenge to comment the talk page, which is where the real action is. As I think you mentioned to another editor, it's a tough crowd, and I wouldn't be surprised if no more than a tiny useful change results from our collective effort. :) Milo 21:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I just logged in and saw the barnstar. Very kind of you. cairoi 06:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Milomedes, I want to offer a belated apology for the way I reacted to you awhile back (on Cult I believe). It was not how I want to behave. Tanaats 17:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I personally define cult topic centrism as:
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Milo, I award you this barnstar for going where no man or woman dared to go: Thank you, for your kind/wise well thought out words and the spunk to state them! Wikipedia can be most rewarding when someone reminds us to be respectful while discussing the points. PEACE TalkAbout 02:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC) |
wow, thanks, TalkAbout. That's really nice of you to post this Wiki Wiffle Bat template. I'll treasure it. :) Milo 03:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Milo - A link to "New Thought Music" appeared today in the New Age music see also section. After some research I removed that link, and explained my reasons here: Talk:New Age music#reasons for removing unrelated "See Also" link New Thought Music. I'm writing to you about it now though because I think the "New Thought Music" article itself is misleading. There is no genre with that name anywhere in generally accepted musicology and it fails WP:MUSIC and WP:Notability. I'm wondering whether or not to propose removing that article from the music genre category and merging the text into the main article about the New Thought Movement where it would be more approriate, as it's the message not the music that makes it what it is.
The website NewThoughtMusic.com [1] includes this statement:
The purpose of the NewThoughtMusic.com site is two fold:
- To support the growth of music ministry in our communities
- To promote the best of New Thought Music as an outreach function
That's the same website that I quoted on the New Age music talkpage:
Since it is this universal spiritual philosophy that is the common thread, virtually any style of music could be construed as New Thought. What is important is the intention encoded into the music, not the stylistic form itself. So, it is possible for us to find examples of "New Thought Music" in folk, jazz, classical and even in existing popular repertoire (Stevie Wonder, Sly Stone, James Taylor and many others).
Here is another website promoting this idea: [2] where they state:
Help shine the light of New Thought music to the world by experiencing the transformation this music can bring first-hand. Support New Thought artists by purchasing their music. Offer one of our Tribute CD’s to a friend or family member not familiar with this music. The Tribute CD’s provide a variety of artists and musical styles, and each song has a positive spiritual message for all faiths.
Visit the Itoi Ministries website www.itoimusic.org for more information on the New Thought Songwriters Tribute and the PosiPalooza! Concert Tour and help us change the world, one song at a time!
I thought you would be interested in this both regarding the musicology aspects and also regarding your work with the list of cults articles. I'm not saying these related groups are cults, though they might be seen that way, and even if they are, I don't have anything against cults in general as a principle unless they behave badly. The topic of music genres is already complex and we don't need a non-existent genre confusing the topic even more. The thing that's bothering me here is the claim of this as a genre while at the same time saying this form of music crosses all genres, as long as it includes their spiritual message. A positive spiritual message is fine with me, but the article seems to create extra confusion in the musical genres which is what I want to clear up.
What do you think about this? Would it be best to ignore the whole thing? Or work on merging that stub into its main religious movement article and out of the music genre category? I don't have an agenda on this in particular other than that WP music genre articles should be about music and not about religion (just as Gospel genre articles focus on the music, not the religion). I'm not sure whether to, or how to, proceed on this, so I'm hoping you can offer some clarity. Thanks for your help... Parzival418 06:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
(reset) Here's a nice development - The IP editor who had placed that link accepted the comments and removed the music-genre-stub template from his article, diff. I think his article does have a place in the music category, now that it's not trying to be a genre. It's good to see positive consensus in action... Parzival418 23:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
... for the diff link on the talk page of LOGRTACIGR. That was thoughtful of you. Smee 03:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
(Copied from User:CambridgeBayWeather - Archive of Post-Ambient talk at Ambient?)
You deleted
Post-Ambient with the following edit summary "08:02, 24 April 2007 CambridgeBayWeather (Talk | contribs) deleted "Post-Ambient" (PRod:No references or sources... No real content... not notable... no consensus to keep...)".
I have no significant disagreement with your summary. One user wanted to do research for sources, as he said the
Post-Ambient concept was under discussion within the related music community. He can still do that research while the article is deleted. However, I think it's useful to archive that article's talk page whether or not the article or concept gets revived.
As an admin I think you have acccess to the deleted material. I suggest that the
Post-Ambient talk page should be archived as a subpage at
Ambient, and I would (boldly) do this if I had access. (Please reply here if desired) Milo 16:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Milo. Just from watching your stuff on the list thing, you seem to be pretty level-headed. I would kinda like to see you pitch in in the Great Commission Association article if you're interested. Gatorgalen 13:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There's been talk about the coordination and co-operation of the anti-spoiler side. That may be an exaggeration, but it's painfully clear that we can shout into the woods all we want without getting anywhere without laid-out goals and viable alternatives to the present spoiler policy, not just criticisms of it, however justified they may be. I'm open to suggestions, and feel free to reply to any that other people make on my talk page.
In the meantime, here's a symbol. Please keep it on your talk page, or even put it on your user page should you get one; if we get it on enough pages, it might just count for something. Please remove it if you don't want to show it. And if you've got a better picture, be my guest and use it. -- Kizor 16:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Milo... what do you think of this: [3] and this: [4] ?
Seems to me, plain text spoiler notices are better since they don't advertise their presence for editors not involved in an article. -- Parzival418 Hello 18:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up On second thought, I've decided to disengage over there. The positions there are too entrenched, it's not a real discussion where people are listening to each other, it's territorial. Take a look if you want, but I'm not going to continue arguing the point, because, well... what's the point to that? And by the way, at least one of the editors on that topic is watching your page and posted a link to this section. I assume my page is on watch as well now, since I've been fairly vocal on that discussion for a few days and edited the guideline page a few times. I truly don't understand why some people dislike the spoiler notices so much, something that seems to be a simple and non-disruptive service to readers. But I'm not going to make it a "cause", I'm winding down my involvement with that topic. Have a good day.... -- Parzival418 Hello 19:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Could you update your position on Talk:Space music#Request for Comments? I want to make sure your view is accurately represented. Thank you. — Viriditas | Talk 00:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Spacemusic genre distinguished in 100 words
"Almost any music having a slow pace and space-creating sound images could be called spacemusic". Spacemusic was named in 1973 by Hill and Turner on "Hearts of Space" radio. USA spacemusic is defined by the contemplative uplifting HoS segue formula, avoiding depressive, spooky, atonal, or noisy "dark music". Spacemusic genre intends for foreground contemplation, especially with headphones. Spacemusic is not a type of ambient music, but both genres share many compositions. Eno's 1978 album defined background music named ambient. When sound images are faint, spacemusic becomes indistinguishable from background melodic ambient, but much ambient is not foreground imagery contemplative.
Hi Milo, when you have a chance, please take a look at these links:
Thanks... -- Parzival418 Hello 00:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi again... I had included the fusion section of your version of the article in my update listed above. But I had to add an unreferenced section tag to it since there are no references. After considering further, I decided to remove that section since it's the only part of the article that didn't have references. Here is the new link:
I like that section and want to include it, but we need to find some references first or it will get deleted anyway. You're welcome to add it back in if you want, I just didn't want the lack of references in that section to be a source of difficulty with the rest of the article at this point. -- Parzival418 Hello 02:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with his music, but I did get a chance to meet him and his family about three years ago when he was here in Hawaii. He's one of the nicest, most polite people I've ever met. — Viriditas | Talk 12:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Milo - I saw your edit summary on Space music about moving the list to follow the references about the relaxing genre and atmospherics but the edit seemed not to "take" and just looked like a null edit. I think there might have been an edit conflict glitch since I was editing the history section at the same time - maybe it would be good if you review your edit in case it needs to be re-applied. I thought of putting the list there myself but could quite make the wording work clearly which is why I put it where I did. I think you have a good idea on that though.
I replied to various comments on Viriditas' page and the SpM talk page too. I'm getting ready to sign off for the night, have a good one... -- Parzival418 Hello 09:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Messier 82. Composite of Chandra, HST and Spitzer images. X-ray data recorded by Chandra appears in blue; infrared light recorded by Spitzer appears in red; Hubble's observations of hydrogen emission appear in orange, and the bluest visible light appears in yellow-green.
Hi Milo - I see you've been busy on Spoiler Alerts, (wow, what a discussion that's been, eh?!)... I've been mostly helping out with WQA lately, that's been quite an education about how people and policy get along together. The WQA page is more lively and effective lately with the new organization and there are several other editors helping out which is cool. They started on the "pay it forward" idea after I modified the instructions and some seemed to like it and continued to help. It's good to see those alerts not just going fallow so much, though there are still too many to keep up with.
Anyway, I wanted to check in with you since you didn't reply about the new laughingsocks last week. I think gp is on holiday, and I have not been editing SpM since the prior notes (I think it's good now, though I don't make any assumptions about smooth sailing in the future ). Viriditas wrote that he was going to make some improvements but I haven't seen any changes there lately. I did add a proposed info-box on the talk page - do you think that's a plus for the article, or better without it since it's really made for more formal "genres"? Drop me a note if you like. Oh, and I changed my user name to get rid of those pesky numbers that people so often got wrong... Best Wishes... -- Parsifal Hello 06:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh by the way, your post tonight at Taxonomy of the spoiler debate was right on, well done.
On a related topic, you may want to check out the archiving bots post at the Village pump -- Parsifal Hello 07:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi - just wondering, do you still have Viriditas talk page on your watchlist? Not a big deal, but there's some recent activity there.
On a different topic, how about that spoiler talk page? Think that'll still be going on in five years? I bet we have hideable spoiler tags long before then. I like the way IMDB does it - I added a description of their method to IMDB#Plot-related features and spoiler warnings. How fast will the spoiler-search-bot find that edit? -- Parsifal Hello 06:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Milo, just when I am between projects, shucks, missed your sharp wit and funny ways. Say, my condition must be getting better as I got a 4 during the summer. Yes, going back to school to see if I can learn a thing or two. Have a good vacation, catch a wave or two. I am feeling like I need one too. left the .0 out on purpose:-)PEACE TalkAbout 08:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Ref HoS #10 Is All Not One? HoS #55 Is All Not Two?
MIlo, please take a look at the talk pages of both GP and Viriditas. Check the histories to find the most recent parts of their communications. I haven't responded yet because I've been simply not replying at all to the insults and accusations from GP. But now it looks like some participation in that discussion may be needed, unfortunately. --
Parsifal
Hello
18:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I found and added to the article a cool quote of Stockhausen actually using the term "space music" to describe his own work; and also that Miles Davis studied Stockhausen's music and some of Miles' work has been called "space music" too. Davis in 1982: "...I listen to Stockhausen and Ravel. " -- Parsifal Hello 07:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Well done analysis; I've started reading through those links and there's a lot of interesting information there. I agree the ambient blob needs to perform meiosis; new ambient(ravemusics) & old ambient(background). Regarding the evolution of the ambient blob, there was an intriguing comment in one of those links that I had not thought about before but makes a lot of sense - that in the chill rooms at the raves, they played old ambient(background/environmental), but the rave-techno-house music in the main rooms was so loud that it was heard in the background in the chill rooms, together with the environmental ambient music. That combination created a new kind of music, a blend of the ambient/chill music of spacey ambient backgrounds together with dance-loop beats. Then, when that mix was made in studios, away from the raves and the stimulant-enhanced pulse rate, chillout music evolved like slowed-down rave music mixed with ambient, ie, ambient dub, etc...
I was aware of the ambient component of the chillout music, but this new point is interesting, the thing that makes it chillout music instead of dance music is that the beat is coming from the other room in the distance, and the ambient sounds are more present locally; that changes the "pushy" dance beat to a background pulse as part of the ambient environment.
But how does splitting Ambient (Eno/Satie/Environmental) and Ambient (Enhanced/Chillout/Loud dance music in the other room) apply to space music? Space music in many cases is too "present" to be used in a rave chillout room, because it wouldn't mix well with the drum beats from the other room, and other factors - ie, because spacemusic (classic) is not Ambient (Eno/Satie/Environmental). I've seen, in the sources, and in general current usage, space music almost always used as either Space music (classic), or as Space music (historical), [ie Miles Davis/Grateful Dead/Pink Floyd]. It's possible there are people using Space music to refer to Ambient (Enhanced/Chillout/Loud dance music in the other room), but I haven't seen that anywhere, so it seems like if there was an article on spacemusic (ambient blob), the article would be almost empty. I suppose there could be enough material to make a fork article about spacemusic (electronic). But those seem more like WP:SPINOUT than true disambiguation; in other words, spacemusic as a term and an idea has had an ongoing evolution from Stockhausen, Miles Davis, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, etc... to the 1990's electronic forms, to more recent digital workstation formats, and the addition of other genres to blend the programming, like the native flutes or celtic, as found in the HoS shows.
So, what would be the other side of the disambiguation if spacemusic (classic) separates the HoS-related usage? I've seen it used to refer to spacemusic (electronic) but very rarely seen it used to refer to spacemusic (new ambient/chill); usually if someone refers to that music, they just call it ambient. It's hard to see the need for an article about spacemusic (new ambient/chill), since the ambient music article already covers that topic; it would just be a stub; there are so few references. Another split could be spacemusic (music genre) vs spacemusic (psychoacoustic programming); it still seems unclear though. Other than that there is someone who doesn't like the term space music and edits to absorb it into the ambient blob, I think the article has been working pretty well and aside from Wikipedia issues, does not need to be split. Music genre classifications are challenging as a topic in general, and it seems that on Wikipedia they're extra challenging because people have such strong feelings about those topics.
I'm not averse to disambiguating spacemusic; I'm just having trouble visualizing how it could be split, because one of the forks would be pretty much as the current version is, and the other fork or forks would be almost empty. On the other hand, disambiguation is needed even more on the Ambient music article. That's a bigger job because the people who like Ambient (Enhanced/Chillout/Loud dance music in the other room) also feel some sort of "connection" with Brian Eno's initial naming of Ambient (Eno/Satie/Environmental), and if we try to separate that, more ambient pods will likely be activated. But that's the core of the ambient (everygenre) issue. -- Parsifal Hello 04:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Following up your note on my talk page - did you have a chance to read my reply about the SpM references? (and the note about the Ambient Century book?) Just wondering if you're satisfied with the version of the article per GP's change. I notice that his edit caused the middle of the first paragraph to almost completely duplicate the middle of the second paragraph, including the list of references (plus there's the very good Star's End reference that he omitted completely). -- Parsifal Hello 07:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the reversions on SpM, who knows what you'll find when you get this note, but tonight GP reverted - in one edit - both your reinstatement of the history info, and, my reinstatement of the stars' end reference (used in 6 places), and the word "broad" re range of genres, in the intro.
I had also added around the same time, the words "psychoacoustic" and "spacey" to the second paragraph, but I did not interchange the paragraphs and restore the "selection of songs" version of the intro as it was in the version from last week. He has so far not reverted the second paragraph changes, but there was an EC so I don't know if he saw them yet.
Then, I re-added the stars' end reference he kept deleting, as a separate edit, so it's clear it's not a content change. I did it separately last time too, but it seems he's just pretty much reverting whatever I add, so who knows if he even noticed that.
I have not yet though, re-added the word "broad" to the intro regarding "broad range of genres", and I've not yet restored the Pythagoras info he removed twice. I'm being careful because although I've been doing only occasional reverts, I've been doing a lot of edits and I don't want anything to be misunderstood. So the current open items are: to re-add the word "broad" & the Greek history info. If you want to do one or both of those, that would be cool. Of course, by the time you see this, things may have changed again.
(The Pythagoras stuff is interesting, there's more in the sources I haven't had time to review in detail.... he ascribed some healing qualities to music too, according to his contemporaries. I have a few more references on that, but my Wikitime has limits. I'll get to them eventuatlly.) -- Parsifal Hello 09:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. take a look at GP's & V's talk pages for recent entries. -- Parsifal Hello 23:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - Thanks for your note - have to make this short - time management issues.... Meanwhile, re your "PS"... , at the timestamp of this message, the word "broad" is missing from "broad range of genres" in the intro, even though it's strongly supported by the references. The star's end reference I re-added last night, as it was just a reference and not a content change, GP's not reverted it; we'll see if that changes. The Greek stuff is cool too (and not OR, it's of historical interest), but less important than the intro. I'll reply to the rest of your note as soon as I can make the time... Have a good one... -- Parsifal Hello 06:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. GP comment and my reply, on new SpM editor's talk page -- Parsifal Hello 22:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
PPS... Does HoS program Space Music? -- Parsifal Hello 03:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
PPPS... further on HoS -- Parsifal Hello 07:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
"Obviously I can safely look at the page for a film I've seen, or for a book I already know I won't want to see. But for anything in between those categories – any anime, computer game, film, book, or TV series that I might or might not want to see, as well as for random characters like the Dread Pirate Roberts where I might not be able to remember what fictional work they're from – Wikipedia is no longer safe for me to use."
-Alex Churchill (emphasis added)
Hey, Milo. I'm wondering how you might integrate this use of the word "safe" into your general thesis that the word "warning" is misappiled to spoiler tags? Ethan Mitchell 19:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
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I, Parsifal, hereby award this most rhetorical of barnstars to Milomedes, for the dependable and unique excellence of his concept-English focus-devices, memorable utility words, and arguments both deep and entertaining at the same time. -- Parsifal Hello 08:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
Milo, I know you like a blank user page and probably have no use for a barnstar, but after reading your response to Melodia's meltdown, and various other of your (non-GP, non SpM) debates, I wanted to express my appreciation for what I've learned from your unusual and intriguing approach. I don't know if you've studied the techniques or made them up yourself, but I've never seen anything like it; you make logical points that often that take some thought to apprehend but then seem simple and clear once they are apprehended, and somehow, right there in the midst of the rhetoric, humor is lurking in the next turn of phrase.
I'm taking an extended wikibreak due to time management issues, so I won't be on-wiki as regularly as I have been. You were the first person to post on my talk page in March, and I'm sure you recall what the issue was. I will still edit and check my talk page and watchlist when I can, but I don't know how often. SpM and related topics of course, will have my attention when I do. In the meantime, I have some insights about Wikipedia I'd like to discuss with you, but in email, not on-Wiki (and [GP], since you are reading this, no, you are not what's on my mind here)... My email link is active and you are certainly welcome to use it, though I am aware that you have told others you don't use email, so if you choose not to, I understand and no problem.
Best Wishes,... -- Parsifal Hello 08:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
So much for Wikibreak, eh? Actually, I am limiting my time compared to previously, though I need to scale back more.
I guess I should post the following on the talk page, maybe I will later, but for now I just wanted to let you know why I didn't add the footnotes you requested. They are all there in the history section, and they can be collected if needed, but I didn't add them because the first part of that sentence was pure OR, that the usage of the term is limited to artists who used the term themselves (even with the 8 commentator exception).
It may be a true fact, or maybe not, I don't know. I've been surprised at how many sources I found already about space music before HoS. But I have not been able to find even one source discussing the historical use of the term, or whether or not it was used before a certain time. If we were writing about "Rock and Roll" we could easily find sources like that. But in this case, we don't have them, so the only way to include that statement would be to toss WP:V out the window.... well, IMHO that is. -- Parsifal Hello 03:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. a little something for your watchlist... -- Parsifal Hello 05:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I've responded at Talk:Space music, but in the form of a question. I don't understand what [GP] is getting at any more than you do. We'll just have to see what he says. Postmodern Beatnik 22:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[5]. As you were previously involved in a debate at WP:PW over spoilers and sources, you may wish to comment at the link. Thanks, Dav nel 03 21:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't know why you added "Category:People from Pinehurst, North Carolina" to
Annie Oakley, the superstar sharpshooter (1860-1926). She was from western Ohio, and AFAIK, the only other place she had put down significant roots was Cambridge, Maryland. Perhaps there is a wrestler by that ring name? If so, that person should be added to
Annie Oakley (disambiguation). (Please reply here if desired)
Milo
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(Note User:Clay4president2 removed the category 00:55, 6 February 2008)
Great work on the "Christian Cult" article. You really whipped it into shape. -- Editor2020 ( talk) 03:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not sure why it showed up red for me. I've restored the redirect. east.718 at 18:02, February 18, 2008
A solomonic decision. Works for me.-- Editor2020 ( talk) 01:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The Christian idea you refer to on User talk:Will Beback actually comes from Zoroastrianism. Viriditas ( talk) 14:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
An
Advent bulletin arrived last week, containing:
COLLECT FOR THE FIRST SUNDAY OF ADVENT
...give us grace to cast away the works of darkness, and put on the armor of light,...
This phrase is adapted from the 1662 Book of Common Prayer
[6], spelled "armour" there. The entire
col'-lect has been substantially updated for language since 1662. Also this collect has been recast in
Common Worship, a semiofficial contemporary replacement for the BCP.
This collect is based on
KJV Romans 13:12.
Milo
03:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi. A new discussion relating to an anon-IP editor on Illegal immigration to the United States — a person who may possibly be the same anon-IP you and I talked about last summer — is happening at User talk:GTBacchus#Dispute resolution help needed. Just FYI, in case you might want to join in (but I'll certainly understand if you decide you don't want to). Richwales ( talk) 07:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my proposal. I am wary, though, to discuss your items 2 and 3 on that page for fear of overly complicating the discussion. Would it be possible to move them to WT:Linking and WT:Build the web, respectively? (We could replace them with a template like {{ Moved conversation}}.) — Sebastian 02:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Milo. I saw you using nested <small> tags in the Blood and Roses MfD; see here where I cut them. This sort of nesting really isn't proper form and I hope you'll not do it down the road. It gives inconsistent rendering in browsers because a few *do* step the size down further while modern browsers do not. Same goes for <big>. Other than that, you're spot-on in that discussion. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as I agree with you, I'm wondering if you possibly misinterpreted my recent comment at the MFD? -- JayHenry ( talk) 03:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
"MOS says not to link quotes is because linking is ...add your own layer of meaning to someone else's words." That's an impressively good argument from authority. Milo 02:41, 20 August 2009
"On the other hand, arguments from authority are an important part of informal logic. Since we cannot have expert knowledge of many subjects, we often rely on the judgments of those who do. There is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority is true, the fallacy only arises when it is claimed or implied that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be exempted from criticism:..."
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Apologies if I'm digging at old wounds, but I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Revisiting Milomedes. – Luna Santin ( talk) 08:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)