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Hello,
please forgive my audacity to start writing in your (unused?) user page. Delete my message if you like.
I also (for now!) oppose the categorization as antisemitic.
I admire your politeness and persistence to write good arguments. (Don't get me wrong : I don't think he is the greatest president either). What I wanted to ask you here, on calmer grounds, is : What is the best source for antisemitism you have found (directly or indirectly because of what the pro category people have written)? Because I am worrying about the persistent referring to an abundance of proof that I cannot find?? Greetings, Evilbu 00:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow. Your interpretation of my explanation to Yas about categories is so far off (as I explained on talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that I have to ask, is English your native tongue? Perhaps you misread or something. Regardless, I really, truly think you need to take your own advice and step back, for anyone who can interpret an explanation into wikipedia categorization into a sweeping statement about the article, in my opinion, either typed before fully thinking the issue through, or has other motives. Regardless, the application of WP:AGF completely went out the window. Go to the talk page, read what I said another few times, and please see how you, perhaps unknowingly, twisted what I said into something I agree is ludicrous. Thank you. -- Avi 19:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Editor, since you have been involved in editing the Israel article in the last days, and that article has been the subject of long ongoing edit wars, your name is listed in the Request for Arbitration on this matter. You can make a statement here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Human Rights in Israel. Due to the large number of editors involved, however, I would to ask you to keep your statement concise and to the point. If you feel you have not been substantially involved in the disputes surrounding the Israel article, please do not remove your name from the Arbitration request, but rather make a short statement there explaining why you feel you have not been involved enough to be part it. To understand my reasons for requesting Arbitration, please read my statement on the Requests for Arbitration page. Best regards, -- MauroVan 10:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I see that you are a new user. I don't know what made you angry and why you do not assume good faith towards others. So far I was ignoring your direct attacks on me, but you make it increasingly hard for me to keep assuming good faith towards you. We may have disagreements in political views and still it is possible to keep it civil. ← Humus sapiens ну? 02:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar of Diligence
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For your tireless efforts in refuting the bias and POV re Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's inclusion in the anti-semitism category. The battle for objective truth has not been won, but you have substantially egged it along the way. Tanzeel 17:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC) |
I strongly urge you to withdraw your RfA. You seem to be a productive editor on the right track but frankly there is no chance that an RfA from a user with almost no Wikipedia space edits and not many article space edits. Furthermore, nothing you mentioned in your answer to question 1 requires any admin tools. JoshuaZ 06:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Markovich. As I posted on your RFA, you seem like a great editor. But your edit count and your answers to some of the questions really suggest that you don't quite have the experience to be an editor. I see that you want to help out with POV-disputes, but you don't need admin priveleges for that. Admins have absolutely no greater authority than other users in content disputes or decisions on Wikipedia policy. If you want to help resolve disputes, have a look at articles listed under Requests for Comments, or if you want to try being a mediator have a look at the unofficial Mediation Cabal. If you're still ambitious to become an administrator in the future, I suggest you help out at some Recent Changes Patrol and participate in some AfDs. These are quite important parts of adminship as a great deal of admin chores involve blocking vandals and deleting articles that should no longer be here, and you really need some good understanding in those areas. If you want to learn just general content, well, just go and read some articles in the area that you are interested in, and just apply some general fixes as you're reading, maybe try to obtain or create some open licensed images, or maybe do some research yourself in some area which needs more content; there are also a lot of WikiProjects specified in specific areas. Wikipedia is a huge place, and there is A LOT to do and learn here, adminship is not really a higher level of helping - it is just being trusted with some tools to help out with some specific areas.
So we're glad you are here, I hope you can help us, but you're just not ready for Adminship yet, nor do I see how you actually need it for your desired tasks. Once again, I recommend you withdraw from the RfA before anyone decides to go sour on it (happens with RfAs all the time). I wish you happy editing at Wikipedia, and feel free to ask me for any help or advice you may need. -- Konstable 09:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am writing to let you know that I have closed your Request for Adminship as it had become clear that it was going to fail and people were beginning to jump on you unnecessarily. I agree that some people expect too much of admin candidates, but unfortunately your edit count of 200 really is too low to assess whether you know everything you need to know to handle the admin tools wisely. There are still a great many areas in which you can help Wikipedia without admin tools, and working in these areas will most definitely help you next time you decide to stand. You might want to look at Wikipedia:Cleanup, Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit, or Wikipedia:Pages needing attention. Working in these areas will really help us, and will be of real benefit in demonstrating your ability to handle the admin tools. If you have any questions, pleae feel free to ask me. Yours, Rje 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Mark!
I just saw your RFA and all of the comments posted on it. I won't vote; the consensus seems to be developing. Anyway, I think you should probably withdraw at this point. It's just not worth all the stress. You probably will not succeed right now because of your low number of edits (kind of ridiculous, I know, but it's the way things are). RFA can be a horrible experience: very stressful, very insulting, very demeaning at times. Your record is on display: it's about the same as being elected Pope. (Side-note: Did you know that there are two cardinals who have to investigate every candidate's personal life in detail?) If you've done one thing wrong or inadequately, BOOM, there it all goes. You're doing great without the admin tools for now, but in a few months, if you're still interested and work on some vandal-fighting, I'm quite sure somebody will nominate you!! You're a great editor and I hope to see you around often. If you need anything at all, please leave a message on my talk page. Have a great wikiday! :) Srose (talk) 20:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there is often too much emphasis on edit counts in the RfA process. But edit count or no edit count, an administrator should understand well pretty much all the aspects of Wikipedia. And while you have participated in a lot of discussions it seems, I doubt you would have much experience in areas regarding dealing with vandals and policies regarding article deletion. These are two of the most important tasks of an admin, and you really need experience and understanding in these areas. As the structure is now, you can either be an admin or you can't be an admin - i.e. you should have enough experience and understanding to perform all the admin tasks, not just some. If you want to help out with backlogs, the non-administrative backlogs, here: CAT:BACK, are much larger than the administrative backlogs ( CAT:ABL). There are plenty of ways to help out with maintenence tasks apart from being an administrator. But if you still want to be an administrator, just keep editing and help out in a variety of areas, you have already got over 200 edits in just over 2 weeks here! At 100 edits per week would get you to over 3000 in just half a year! And if you do some vandal patrol, this would probably grow much faster. Have a look at just some of my my edits just yesterday for example: [1] Thats 50 edits in just 22 minutes (there is A LOT of vandalism coming in). But again, it's not just about your edit count, it is what most people have mentioned when they opposed you, but you really need to have a good understanding and experience to help with the admin tasks, so don't go blindly trying to edit just for the purpose of increasing your edit count. Cheers.-- Konstable 05:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Here I didn't even think to thank you on your userpage for awarding me a barnstar. Silly me. Well, thanks for the award! I didn't even know what barnstars were until just a bit ago. Thanks again! -- LifeEnemy 05:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[Retaliatory citation of WP:CIV and related content removed]
[False personal attack removed] I'm deleting the entire section on my page since I don't double discuss - it's enough to have it at one place (you can delete too if you wish of course), and the discussion is also over as far as I'm concerned. Please don't write these things down in my discussion page or I'll consider it as vandalism. Amoruso 02:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I warned him. And yes I am very much against removing comments from talk pages. -- Woohookitty (meow) 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Markovich292, thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which was closed as successful last Wednesday with a unanimous support of (47/0/0). I will do my best to help keep Wikipedia clean, green and vandal free. Once again, thank you! -- Konstable 14:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC) |
Hey, I saw you on the Ahmadinejad article. I just wanted to say that I'm an Eagle Scout too, and I've been to Philmont twice. It's always good to see another eagle scout. I've also dated a girl from Minisota, I just love the accents. Keep up the good work pal! Kitler005 22:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The first time we went to Mount Phillips and the second time Mount Baldy. The first time we ended the hike by going over the Tooth of time into basecamp. That was the best! The second time we ended in the pony place (I forget the came, but it's the horse camp) and we were so pissed off that they didn't have peanuts. They charged us like 3 dollars or something for a quart of root beer too, which was way pissy too cause the first time we were in some camp (i forget the name, but it was a Spanish name, maybe La Hacienda? I dunno, but it was the one with the Canteina and the Burro races) and they only charged us 50 cents for a quart of root beer. That camp was our tenth camp out and I swear we all got drunk off the root beer. It's amazing what ten days without sugar or caffine will do to you. We drank so many root beers we had trouble getting back to the camp! Pretty crazy adventures, my favorite Boy Scout Memoiry I think. The first time caused me from going from beign a boy to a man (i was 13 at the time and the smallest person on our team). How about yourself? Have you been to the tooth? Nothing beats watching the sunrise at the tooth and then taking a piss down one of the cracks ;) Kitler005 04:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I wanted to discuss our respective changes to the People to People Student Ambassadors Program (PtP-SAP) page. The last thing in the world I want to do is get into an edit war. I'd much rather see if we can come to some common agreement on what information is accurate, and how to phrase it from a neutral point of view. I believed my information about which organization is a for-profit and which is a non-profit was accurate because it was what I was told in a telephone conversation with Roseanne Rosen, who's the Senior V.P. of Administration at People to People International (PtP-Int). As you observed in one of your edits, http://www.ptpi.org/about_us/history.jsp indicates that PtP-Int has a 501(c)(3) designation from the IRS - i.e. they are a non-profit. Based on what their V.P. told me, I wrote that PtP-SAP is a for-profit corporation. You changed that to say it's a non-profit organization, but added a note "[citation needed]". Given the statement near the bottom that it's "managed by Ambassadors Group, Inc." (AGI) which is publicly traded on NASDAQ, I couldn't see how PtP-SAP could be a non-profit. The fact that AGI is publicly traded is confirmed at http://www.ambassadorsgroup.com/EPAX/default.htm. To the best of my knowledge, non-profits are never listed on any stock exchange.
Finally, it dawned on me -- I think we're both wrong. Here's the explanation. PtP-SAP is not a for-profit corporation. But it's also not a non-profit corporation. It's not a corporation at all! It's a program. (Duh! Boy do I feel stupid! I knew they must have had some reason for calling it a program.) The program is connected to two different business entities: PtP-Int and AGI. A few minutes ago, I found a webpage that said that PtP-Int has an agreement with AGI to allow AGI to operate PtP-SAP. Unfortunately, I didn't save the URL, and now I need to search for it again. PtP-Int seems to have a number of other programs they run, but it seems that they've outsourced the running of this one to the for-profit AGI. So, what would you think of changing the sentence from:
"The People to People Student Ambassador Program is a non-profit organization[citation needed] based in Spokane, WA that offers international travel opportunities to elementary, middle, and high school students."
to:
"The People to People Student Ambassador Program, operated by Ambassadors Group, Inc. on behalf of People to People International, offers international travel opportunities to elementary, middle, and high school students."
I have had a glance through your problem, it seems you're quite deep into it. I really can't say how it could affect your chances for future RfA's, it depends on how everyone sees your handling of the matter. Best thing I can think of suggesting to you is to try to stay cool no matter what they throw at you.
I see your Mediation Cabal case seems to have not gone well, and with WP:RfM having been abandoned by the official mediation committee I see no easy clean way to resolve this. I don't think there will be any administrator willing to set blocks for this as it is, as though they have made some nasty bad faith assumptions against you but really no big blatant personal attacks as I see it, and this is all part of a too big of a dispute for one administrator to overview and make judgement on.
For the article itself I think the best think you can do is to try to reach some sort of compromise. If you feel that the behaviour of the editors themselves is the problem you could try to file a User conduct WP:RfC against them, but keep in mind that this is not meant to be any sort of "punishment" against them but rather a way to get community comment on their behaviour. If that doesn't help and you feel that there is nothing else left and absolutely no hope of resolving the dispute otherwise, and that it is important enough, you could try WP:RfAr, though I would strongly advise you to keep away from Arbitration as much as you can as this would involve the arbitrators making some final judgement and disciplinary actions which cannot likely be reversed - arbitration is an ugly process.
So yeah, I suggest you try to find a compromise. And if the other editors are really a big problem and you feel that they have violated some user conduct policies, file a user conduct RfC. Hope that helps. Cheers.-- Konstable 08:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey dude, could you help me edit the Pudding Pop article? I like your style and think that the pudding pop article could use your helps. Thx :) Kitler005 02:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
A meetup of Wikipedians in Minnesota is proposed: please stop by the discussion page if interested. Jonathunder 23:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 66/11/5. I learned quite a bit during the process, and I expect to be learning a lot more in the days ahead. I will be taking things slowly (and doing a lot of re-reading), but I hope you will let me know if there is anything I can do to improve in my new capacity. -- Merope Talk 13:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC) |
Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC) |
I am referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Yas121&diff=prev&oldid=80555528. I believe that User:LifeEnemy also agreed with the current compromise. Further, nowhere is it indicated as a long-term solution. I respectfully request you read over the discussion and refrain from mischaracterizations of both edits and motives. Remember, WP:AGF is just as important as any other policy, and yes, it is a policy, not just a guideline . -- Avi 07:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding jumping on Amaruso, I have tried to refrain commenting on both your comments to him and his to you. This was a comment about my actions, so I undersatndably felt a bit defensive. Personally, I think the both of you have gone beyond regular discourse into ad hominem more often than not, if you like, I will drop him a note to tone it down as well, which I hope you will both do. -- Avi 13:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
Hello,
please forgive my audacity to start writing in your (unused?) user page. Delete my message if you like.
I also (for now!) oppose the categorization as antisemitic.
I admire your politeness and persistence to write good arguments. (Don't get me wrong : I don't think he is the greatest president either). What I wanted to ask you here, on calmer grounds, is : What is the best source for antisemitism you have found (directly or indirectly because of what the pro category people have written)? Because I am worrying about the persistent referring to an abundance of proof that I cannot find?? Greetings, Evilbu 00:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow. Your interpretation of my explanation to Yas about categories is so far off (as I explained on talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that I have to ask, is English your native tongue? Perhaps you misread or something. Regardless, I really, truly think you need to take your own advice and step back, for anyone who can interpret an explanation into wikipedia categorization into a sweeping statement about the article, in my opinion, either typed before fully thinking the issue through, or has other motives. Regardless, the application of WP:AGF completely went out the window. Go to the talk page, read what I said another few times, and please see how you, perhaps unknowingly, twisted what I said into something I agree is ludicrous. Thank you. -- Avi 19:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Editor, since you have been involved in editing the Israel article in the last days, and that article has been the subject of long ongoing edit wars, your name is listed in the Request for Arbitration on this matter. You can make a statement here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Human Rights in Israel. Due to the large number of editors involved, however, I would to ask you to keep your statement concise and to the point. If you feel you have not been substantially involved in the disputes surrounding the Israel article, please do not remove your name from the Arbitration request, but rather make a short statement there explaining why you feel you have not been involved enough to be part it. To understand my reasons for requesting Arbitration, please read my statement on the Requests for Arbitration page. Best regards, -- MauroVan 10:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I see that you are a new user. I don't know what made you angry and why you do not assume good faith towards others. So far I was ignoring your direct attacks on me, but you make it increasingly hard for me to keep assuming good faith towards you. We may have disagreements in political views and still it is possible to keep it civil. ← Humus sapiens ну? 02:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar of Diligence
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For your tireless efforts in refuting the bias and POV re Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's inclusion in the anti-semitism category. The battle for objective truth has not been won, but you have substantially egged it along the way. Tanzeel 17:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC) |
I strongly urge you to withdraw your RfA. You seem to be a productive editor on the right track but frankly there is no chance that an RfA from a user with almost no Wikipedia space edits and not many article space edits. Furthermore, nothing you mentioned in your answer to question 1 requires any admin tools. JoshuaZ 06:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Markovich. As I posted on your RFA, you seem like a great editor. But your edit count and your answers to some of the questions really suggest that you don't quite have the experience to be an editor. I see that you want to help out with POV-disputes, but you don't need admin priveleges for that. Admins have absolutely no greater authority than other users in content disputes or decisions on Wikipedia policy. If you want to help resolve disputes, have a look at articles listed under Requests for Comments, or if you want to try being a mediator have a look at the unofficial Mediation Cabal. If you're still ambitious to become an administrator in the future, I suggest you help out at some Recent Changes Patrol and participate in some AfDs. These are quite important parts of adminship as a great deal of admin chores involve blocking vandals and deleting articles that should no longer be here, and you really need some good understanding in those areas. If you want to learn just general content, well, just go and read some articles in the area that you are interested in, and just apply some general fixes as you're reading, maybe try to obtain or create some open licensed images, or maybe do some research yourself in some area which needs more content; there are also a lot of WikiProjects specified in specific areas. Wikipedia is a huge place, and there is A LOT to do and learn here, adminship is not really a higher level of helping - it is just being trusted with some tools to help out with some specific areas.
So we're glad you are here, I hope you can help us, but you're just not ready for Adminship yet, nor do I see how you actually need it for your desired tasks. Once again, I recommend you withdraw from the RfA before anyone decides to go sour on it (happens with RfAs all the time). I wish you happy editing at Wikipedia, and feel free to ask me for any help or advice you may need. -- Konstable 09:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am writing to let you know that I have closed your Request for Adminship as it had become clear that it was going to fail and people were beginning to jump on you unnecessarily. I agree that some people expect too much of admin candidates, but unfortunately your edit count of 200 really is too low to assess whether you know everything you need to know to handle the admin tools wisely. There are still a great many areas in which you can help Wikipedia without admin tools, and working in these areas will most definitely help you next time you decide to stand. You might want to look at Wikipedia:Cleanup, Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit, or Wikipedia:Pages needing attention. Working in these areas will really help us, and will be of real benefit in demonstrating your ability to handle the admin tools. If you have any questions, pleae feel free to ask me. Yours, Rje 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Mark!
I just saw your RFA and all of the comments posted on it. I won't vote; the consensus seems to be developing. Anyway, I think you should probably withdraw at this point. It's just not worth all the stress. You probably will not succeed right now because of your low number of edits (kind of ridiculous, I know, but it's the way things are). RFA can be a horrible experience: very stressful, very insulting, very demeaning at times. Your record is on display: it's about the same as being elected Pope. (Side-note: Did you know that there are two cardinals who have to investigate every candidate's personal life in detail?) If you've done one thing wrong or inadequately, BOOM, there it all goes. You're doing great without the admin tools for now, but in a few months, if you're still interested and work on some vandal-fighting, I'm quite sure somebody will nominate you!! You're a great editor and I hope to see you around often. If you need anything at all, please leave a message on my talk page. Have a great wikiday! :) Srose (talk) 20:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there is often too much emphasis on edit counts in the RfA process. But edit count or no edit count, an administrator should understand well pretty much all the aspects of Wikipedia. And while you have participated in a lot of discussions it seems, I doubt you would have much experience in areas regarding dealing with vandals and policies regarding article deletion. These are two of the most important tasks of an admin, and you really need experience and understanding in these areas. As the structure is now, you can either be an admin or you can't be an admin - i.e. you should have enough experience and understanding to perform all the admin tasks, not just some. If you want to help out with backlogs, the non-administrative backlogs, here: CAT:BACK, are much larger than the administrative backlogs ( CAT:ABL). There are plenty of ways to help out with maintenence tasks apart from being an administrator. But if you still want to be an administrator, just keep editing and help out in a variety of areas, you have already got over 200 edits in just over 2 weeks here! At 100 edits per week would get you to over 3000 in just half a year! And if you do some vandal patrol, this would probably grow much faster. Have a look at just some of my my edits just yesterday for example: [1] Thats 50 edits in just 22 minutes (there is A LOT of vandalism coming in). But again, it's not just about your edit count, it is what most people have mentioned when they opposed you, but you really need to have a good understanding and experience to help with the admin tasks, so don't go blindly trying to edit just for the purpose of increasing your edit count. Cheers.-- Konstable 05:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Here I didn't even think to thank you on your userpage for awarding me a barnstar. Silly me. Well, thanks for the award! I didn't even know what barnstars were until just a bit ago. Thanks again! -- LifeEnemy 05:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[Retaliatory citation of WP:CIV and related content removed]
[False personal attack removed] I'm deleting the entire section on my page since I don't double discuss - it's enough to have it at one place (you can delete too if you wish of course), and the discussion is also over as far as I'm concerned. Please don't write these things down in my discussion page or I'll consider it as vandalism. Amoruso 02:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I warned him. And yes I am very much against removing comments from talk pages. -- Woohookitty (meow) 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Markovich292, thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which was closed as successful last Wednesday with a unanimous support of (47/0/0). I will do my best to help keep Wikipedia clean, green and vandal free. Once again, thank you! -- Konstable 14:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC) |
Hey, I saw you on the Ahmadinejad article. I just wanted to say that I'm an Eagle Scout too, and I've been to Philmont twice. It's always good to see another eagle scout. I've also dated a girl from Minisota, I just love the accents. Keep up the good work pal! Kitler005 22:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The first time we went to Mount Phillips and the second time Mount Baldy. The first time we ended the hike by going over the Tooth of time into basecamp. That was the best! The second time we ended in the pony place (I forget the came, but it's the horse camp) and we were so pissed off that they didn't have peanuts. They charged us like 3 dollars or something for a quart of root beer too, which was way pissy too cause the first time we were in some camp (i forget the name, but it was a Spanish name, maybe La Hacienda? I dunno, but it was the one with the Canteina and the Burro races) and they only charged us 50 cents for a quart of root beer. That camp was our tenth camp out and I swear we all got drunk off the root beer. It's amazing what ten days without sugar or caffine will do to you. We drank so many root beers we had trouble getting back to the camp! Pretty crazy adventures, my favorite Boy Scout Memoiry I think. The first time caused me from going from beign a boy to a man (i was 13 at the time and the smallest person on our team). How about yourself? Have you been to the tooth? Nothing beats watching the sunrise at the tooth and then taking a piss down one of the cracks ;) Kitler005 04:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I wanted to discuss our respective changes to the People to People Student Ambassadors Program (PtP-SAP) page. The last thing in the world I want to do is get into an edit war. I'd much rather see if we can come to some common agreement on what information is accurate, and how to phrase it from a neutral point of view. I believed my information about which organization is a for-profit and which is a non-profit was accurate because it was what I was told in a telephone conversation with Roseanne Rosen, who's the Senior V.P. of Administration at People to People International (PtP-Int). As you observed in one of your edits, http://www.ptpi.org/about_us/history.jsp indicates that PtP-Int has a 501(c)(3) designation from the IRS - i.e. they are a non-profit. Based on what their V.P. told me, I wrote that PtP-SAP is a for-profit corporation. You changed that to say it's a non-profit organization, but added a note "[citation needed]". Given the statement near the bottom that it's "managed by Ambassadors Group, Inc." (AGI) which is publicly traded on NASDAQ, I couldn't see how PtP-SAP could be a non-profit. The fact that AGI is publicly traded is confirmed at http://www.ambassadorsgroup.com/EPAX/default.htm. To the best of my knowledge, non-profits are never listed on any stock exchange.
Finally, it dawned on me -- I think we're both wrong. Here's the explanation. PtP-SAP is not a for-profit corporation. But it's also not a non-profit corporation. It's not a corporation at all! It's a program. (Duh! Boy do I feel stupid! I knew they must have had some reason for calling it a program.) The program is connected to two different business entities: PtP-Int and AGI. A few minutes ago, I found a webpage that said that PtP-Int has an agreement with AGI to allow AGI to operate PtP-SAP. Unfortunately, I didn't save the URL, and now I need to search for it again. PtP-Int seems to have a number of other programs they run, but it seems that they've outsourced the running of this one to the for-profit AGI. So, what would you think of changing the sentence from:
"The People to People Student Ambassador Program is a non-profit organization[citation needed] based in Spokane, WA that offers international travel opportunities to elementary, middle, and high school students."
to:
"The People to People Student Ambassador Program, operated by Ambassadors Group, Inc. on behalf of People to People International, offers international travel opportunities to elementary, middle, and high school students."
I have had a glance through your problem, it seems you're quite deep into it. I really can't say how it could affect your chances for future RfA's, it depends on how everyone sees your handling of the matter. Best thing I can think of suggesting to you is to try to stay cool no matter what they throw at you.
I see your Mediation Cabal case seems to have not gone well, and with WP:RfM having been abandoned by the official mediation committee I see no easy clean way to resolve this. I don't think there will be any administrator willing to set blocks for this as it is, as though they have made some nasty bad faith assumptions against you but really no big blatant personal attacks as I see it, and this is all part of a too big of a dispute for one administrator to overview and make judgement on.
For the article itself I think the best think you can do is to try to reach some sort of compromise. If you feel that the behaviour of the editors themselves is the problem you could try to file a User conduct WP:RfC against them, but keep in mind that this is not meant to be any sort of "punishment" against them but rather a way to get community comment on their behaviour. If that doesn't help and you feel that there is nothing else left and absolutely no hope of resolving the dispute otherwise, and that it is important enough, you could try WP:RfAr, though I would strongly advise you to keep away from Arbitration as much as you can as this would involve the arbitrators making some final judgement and disciplinary actions which cannot likely be reversed - arbitration is an ugly process.
So yeah, I suggest you try to find a compromise. And if the other editors are really a big problem and you feel that they have violated some user conduct policies, file a user conduct RfC. Hope that helps. Cheers.-- Konstable 08:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey dude, could you help me edit the Pudding Pop article? I like your style and think that the pudding pop article could use your helps. Thx :) Kitler005 02:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
A meetup of Wikipedians in Minnesota is proposed: please stop by the discussion page if interested. Jonathunder 23:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 66/11/5. I learned quite a bit during the process, and I expect to be learning a lot more in the days ahead. I will be taking things slowly (and doing a lot of re-reading), but I hope you will let me know if there is anything I can do to improve in my new capacity. -- Merope Talk 13:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC) |
Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC) |
I am referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Yas121&diff=prev&oldid=80555528. I believe that User:LifeEnemy also agreed with the current compromise. Further, nowhere is it indicated as a long-term solution. I respectfully request you read over the discussion and refrain from mischaracterizations of both edits and motives. Remember, WP:AGF is just as important as any other policy, and yes, it is a policy, not just a guideline . -- Avi 07:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding jumping on Amaruso, I have tried to refrain commenting on both your comments to him and his to you. This was a comment about my actions, so I undersatndably felt a bit defensive. Personally, I think the both of you have gone beyond regular discourse into ad hominem more often than not, if you like, I will drop him a note to tone it down as well, which I hope you will both do. -- Avi 13:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)