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Can you please consider to install the discreet version "sprotect2" ? Thanks in advance. Lear 21 10:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Didn´t knew that. Lear 21 11:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
What category could it be in? It can't be in either Town category as it is not a town. Agathoclea 17:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Angr
I saw in the history of Classical Newari that you were the one who redirected this article to Nepal Bhasa. I've deleted the redirection and re-created the independent article as a stub, on the basis that the two languages have different ISO 639-2 codes. Hope you don't mind, maybe you've long ago forgotten about it anyway (was two years ago ...). universimmedia ( talk) 22:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
You tagged this picture as copyright disputed because of "No indication of copyright holder, as required by WP:NFCC#10," but the Non-free album cover template already on the page states, "[T]he copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the album or the artist(s) which produced the recording or cover artwork in question." Isn't that an indication of the copyright holder? -- rynne ( talk) 18:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
In continuing with WP:AN/I's tradition of complaining about users without ever mentioning it to their faces (or at least talk pages), you may wish to be made aware of this thread: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Image_deletion_spree_by__Angr, which I have already responded to but which it would seem only logical to inform you about. Cheers, RyanGerbil10 (Говорить!) 22:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Following your post at the arbcom pages, I clicked on your sig to see what a link labelled "if you've written a quality article" might lead to. Since I have, I was curious. I found the page, read it, visited the MFD link, commented. The comment is completely separate from anything else (of course).
Just thought you'd want to know how that came about!
Best,
FT2 (
Talk |
email)
15:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Rhinox-botcon.jpg. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:
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Hi, By the time you typed your message, I had revetrted changes and clearly explained the reason, namely that it needs to be teh easiest to find. I think that is the best way. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 01:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for showing me the "move button". History2007 ( talk) 01:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
User:1337m4n has uploaded a whole lot of thong pictures that look suspiciously like pictures copied from online retail catalogs. I have posted a message to that end to User talk:1337m4n, and have tagged them as "no-source". But, I guess, someone needs to take a look at them serieously. Since, I don't know the process, would you care to take a look?
Alas! Those pictures are not even "sexy"! :P Aditya( talk • contribs) 11:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
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For Making some Useful recent Changes Newlinecinema ( talk) 21:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC) |
I feel really guilty, but here I am again after your help with Gaelic IPA for one of my ghastly articles. It's Constantine II of Scotland, or as it says in the article, Constantín. I think mac Áeda is [mak ˈaiða], but I haven't the faintest idea for Constantín. If Old English efforts are writing it down are any guide, I'd guess [kəsant'in] or something like that, but that's a woefully ill-informed and unwise guess! Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you point me towards a consensus? All I saw on the talk page was unresolved arguments about what picture to use. Cleverly calling it censorship doesn't get around the obvious issue of having a naked guy on the top of the page. It could just as well be at the bottom of the article. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I knew It was a sin when I did it, but I felt I had to try. I had no idea he was even up for it until this morning. -- SECisek ( talk) 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
..in the thread about where the Veropedia money goes.. starting here. Please excuse if you aren't interested. Cheers! Ling.Nut ( talk) 03:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I very much like this story. I do not completely agree with it, but it is very clever and seems like something I would think of. Although no fair use would make things a lot easier... Also, you seem very concerned about keeping all content on Wikipedia "free". The intent of this freedom is for easy distribution, yet you are pissed at another website copying Wikipedia (and profiting from it, as many other websites do). What's the deal? -- Henry W. Schmitt ( talk) 07:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading
Image:Returnjedicast.JPG. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a
claim of fair use. However, it is currently
orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed.
You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see
our policy for non-free media).
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Rettetast ( talk) 17:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Familiarise youself with {{PD-AR-Photo}}. It would help if you could change the licensing on older Argentine photos which have a fair use rationale. I only recently found this but photos older than 20 years are public domain in Argentina, I've been trying to get Videmus Omnia to upload them freely to the commons
![]() | The copyright of this photography registered in
Argentina has expired, as both at least 25 years have passed after the photograph was created, and it was first published at least 20 years ago (
Law 11.723, Article 34 and their modifications, and
Berne Convention Article 7 (4))). Nevertheless, its author and source must be acknowledged. Use this template exclusively for photos and NOT for drawings or other pieces of art. Warning: The date and source of any publication more than 20 years old must be indicated so anyone can check it, and clear evidence that the image was taken more than 25 years ago must be given. |
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♦ Sir Blofeld ♦
Talk?
20:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I know this because cinenacional is the official film website and uses images of all the actors during their film career only -promotional photos released at the time. Our Argentine comedian retired from Argentine film in 1981. This particularly image would have been taken at the career peak of the actor -early to mid 1970s. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 20:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I have left a request with Videmus to begin uploading the ones which currently are tagged as fair use to the commons. There are many to sort out but he'll do it in time hopefully. The filmography of the actor will have to be used as a guideline on what has expired. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 20:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
1.I have read your if bit and it is appeasing to me and 2.thanks for awnsering my query on the Wikipedia talk page, it was a understandable(Wow that is a long word!)awnser.
Yours sincerly,
-- PwnersRule ( talk) 20:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)PwnersRule
Would you mind taking a look at the pronunciation at Ciarán? I can't even tell if it's supposed to be Irish or English. Thanks. kwami ( talk) 20:11, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Barnstars are nearly three years old, and I have never issued one before. You are the first. I give this to you in recognition of your articulate and well-thought out stances against Veropedia and against non-free content. Your parable was wonderful reading. Kingturtle ( talk) 18:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
Hi Angr. Regarding [1], I disagree that {{ Non-free film screenshot}} disallows the use of screenshots to identify a deceased actor. The template does not explicitly say that screenshots can only be used "for identification and critical commentary on the film and its contents"; it says that "Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement".[my italics] I think that the rationale I added [2] gave a good reason for fair use of the image in Jason Miller, and that use of the image meets the WP:NFCC, which allows a non-free image in deceased people's articles. Screenshots are most commonly used in film articles, but I have seen them used in other articles with seemingly no problems. Bláthnaid 21:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Day the Earth Stood Still 1951.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I saw your good intervention at User talk:Jrossgb and followed the link to your user page. The parable is really, really good. Thank you for that, it's really nudged me (even) further towards free over fair use images. I say this as someone who uploaded a lot of fair use images early in my time here, and has had messages from Betacommandbot about them ever since, it sometimes seems. Food for thought; thank you for posting it. -- John ( talk) 06:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
You are one of the "evolved achondrites"? ;-) (Fröhliche Weihnachten y'all) Shenme ( talk) 23:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
This *is* a standard citation system, and you should not change citation systems without consensus. Gimmetrow 02:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, what are you going to do here? User:Vary has decided to inflame the situation further, and revert to a version with footnotes, again removing perfectly valid parenthetic citations. Gimmetrow 08:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea if this would be of any help, in conjunction with the Handbook of Romanian and a bilingual dictionary, but I came across it while browsing. [3] See the last item. Oh, and I wish you much joy in the treasure hunt of learning a small language! SaundersW ( talk) 19:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Angr, I have read a few of your dispute navigations and have come to see you as fair-minded. Would you take a look at a single sentence over which there is general agreement and minor disagreement (the latter which seems to have festered) between another anon poster, 69.202.60.86 and me? The crux of the disagreement is placement of a marriage mention in the Peter Jennings article: I contend that barring additional, notable information about the fourth wife, Kayce Freed, my introduction of a few words about their union by mention of her in a "Death" section is readable and well-placed given what we know about her: the larger public has come to learn about her only after Jennings' passing. The other anon asserts that the sentence should be added amid a section predominately about Peter's work, with (what I describe as) a POV transition for readability. I counter that some non-relevent chronological insertions work and that others do not and that the anon's re-placement falls in the second category, with or without the creative transition. You can read my tedious talk response to the anon's quibblings--the salient points are numbers 1 and 2-- and a summary of the initial and follow-up edits. A "Personal life" section probably should be started which would include mention of Jennings' four marriages, his two children and other notables perhaps such as his great love of jazz or the scandal during his third marriage, now awkwardly inserted in the "Sole anchor" section. Thanks. 4.249.111.232 ( talk) 17:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Angr,
About the velarized L in Irish phonology, for clarity and consistency I think we should use the same convention for all velarized consonants. Besides aesthetic considerations, it would be more accessible to our readers. There's nothing special about velarized L except that it occurs in English, which surely is irrelevant for Irish. As for it displaying better, that depends which font you're using. IMO we shouldn't make decisions of substance in order to accommodate font or browser defects. We could use the tilde with all velarized consonants, but that wouldn't show off the contrast with palatalization as nicely. kwami ( talk) 20:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
But Angr, you're using two unrelated symbols for a single phonemic distinction, which strikes me as both inefficient and misleading. Also, the font problem isn't a matter of being proportional or monospace. I use a proportional font and l̪ˠ displays correctly; it's merely a matter of whether the font designer bothered to kern the font properly. Some of the SIL fonts are correctly proportioned, and we can expect that the number of properly designed IPA fonts will increase.
As for Ƶ§œš¹'s point, L is a case of deciding which diacritic to use, not which base letter. The pairs you brought up differ in more than just their secondary articulation, and so (except for /j/ & /ɣ/) aren't analogous. (The palatal-velar pairs would also be an argument against my case, but again don't address inconsistent use of diacritics.) kwami ( talk) 21:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
At the risk of seeming unpleasant, I must say that your latest edit to
Hazel (Watership Down) seems to be an instance of
causing disruption to make a point. Some of the material you deleted might be "
original research", but certainly not all of it. Please be selective. I suggest that you restore the material, and then edit it to eliminate any "OR".
Cordially,
Lonewolf BC (
talk)
21:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
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Can you please consider to install the discreet version "sprotect2" ? Thanks in advance. Lear 21 10:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Didn´t knew that. Lear 21 11:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
What category could it be in? It can't be in either Town category as it is not a town. Agathoclea 17:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Angr
I saw in the history of Classical Newari that you were the one who redirected this article to Nepal Bhasa. I've deleted the redirection and re-created the independent article as a stub, on the basis that the two languages have different ISO 639-2 codes. Hope you don't mind, maybe you've long ago forgotten about it anyway (was two years ago ...). universimmedia ( talk) 22:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
You tagged this picture as copyright disputed because of "No indication of copyright holder, as required by WP:NFCC#10," but the Non-free album cover template already on the page states, "[T]he copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the album or the artist(s) which produced the recording or cover artwork in question." Isn't that an indication of the copyright holder? -- rynne ( talk) 18:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
In continuing with WP:AN/I's tradition of complaining about users without ever mentioning it to their faces (or at least talk pages), you may wish to be made aware of this thread: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Image_deletion_spree_by__Angr, which I have already responded to but which it would seem only logical to inform you about. Cheers, RyanGerbil10 (Говорить!) 22:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Following your post at the arbcom pages, I clicked on your sig to see what a link labelled "if you've written a quality article" might lead to. Since I have, I was curious. I found the page, read it, visited the MFD link, commented. The comment is completely separate from anything else (of course).
Just thought you'd want to know how that came about!
Best,
FT2 (
Talk |
email)
15:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Rhinox-botcon.jpg. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:
{{
di-replaceable fair use disputed}}
, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use media by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, fair use media which could be replaced by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if not used in an article), per our Fair Use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 21:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, By the time you typed your message, I had revetrted changes and clearly explained the reason, namely that it needs to be teh easiest to find. I think that is the best way. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 01:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for showing me the "move button". History2007 ( talk) 01:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
User:1337m4n has uploaded a whole lot of thong pictures that look suspiciously like pictures copied from online retail catalogs. I have posted a message to that end to User talk:1337m4n, and have tagged them as "no-source". But, I guess, someone needs to take a look at them serieously. Since, I don't know the process, would you care to take a look?
Alas! Those pictures are not even "sexy"! :P Aditya( talk • contribs) 11:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
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The Template Barnstar | |
For Making some Useful recent Changes Newlinecinema ( talk) 21:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC) |
I feel really guilty, but here I am again after your help with Gaelic IPA for one of my ghastly articles. It's Constantine II of Scotland, or as it says in the article, Constantín. I think mac Áeda is [mak ˈaiða], but I haven't the faintest idea for Constantín. If Old English efforts are writing it down are any guide, I'd guess [kəsant'in] or something like that, but that's a woefully ill-informed and unwise guess! Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you point me towards a consensus? All I saw on the talk page was unresolved arguments about what picture to use. Cleverly calling it censorship doesn't get around the obvious issue of having a naked guy on the top of the page. It could just as well be at the bottom of the article. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I knew It was a sin when I did it, but I felt I had to try. I had no idea he was even up for it until this morning. -- SECisek ( talk) 06:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
..in the thread about where the Veropedia money goes.. starting here. Please excuse if you aren't interested. Cheers! Ling.Nut ( talk) 03:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I very much like this story. I do not completely agree with it, but it is very clever and seems like something I would think of. Although no fair use would make things a lot easier... Also, you seem very concerned about keeping all content on Wikipedia "free". The intent of this freedom is for easy distribution, yet you are pissed at another website copying Wikipedia (and profiting from it, as many other websites do). What's the deal? -- Henry W. Schmitt ( talk) 07:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading
Image:Returnjedicast.JPG. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a
claim of fair use. However, it is currently
orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed.
You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see
our policy for non-free media).
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Rettetast ( talk) 17:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Familiarise youself with {{PD-AR-Photo}}. It would help if you could change the licensing on older Argentine photos which have a fair use rationale. I only recently found this but photos older than 20 years are public domain in Argentina, I've been trying to get Videmus Omnia to upload them freely to the commons
![]() | The copyright of this photography registered in
Argentina has expired, as both at least 25 years have passed after the photograph was created, and it was first published at least 20 years ago (
Law 11.723, Article 34 and their modifications, and
Berne Convention Article 7 (4))). Nevertheless, its author and source must be acknowledged. Use this template exclusively for photos and NOT for drawings or other pieces of art. Warning: The date and source of any publication more than 20 years old must be indicated so anyone can check it, and clear evidence that the image was taken more than 25 years ago must be given. |
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♦ Sir Blofeld ♦
Talk?
20:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I know this because cinenacional is the official film website and uses images of all the actors during their film career only -promotional photos released at the time. Our Argentine comedian retired from Argentine film in 1981. This particularly image would have been taken at the career peak of the actor -early to mid 1970s. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 20:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I have left a request with Videmus to begin uploading the ones which currently are tagged as fair use to the commons. There are many to sort out but he'll do it in time hopefully. The filmography of the actor will have to be used as a guideline on what has expired. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 20:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
1.I have read your if bit and it is appeasing to me and 2.thanks for awnsering my query on the Wikipedia talk page, it was a understandable(Wow that is a long word!)awnser.
Yours sincerly,
-- PwnersRule ( talk) 20:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)PwnersRule
Would you mind taking a look at the pronunciation at Ciarán? I can't even tell if it's supposed to be Irish or English. Thanks. kwami ( talk) 20:11, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
"The Barnstar of Diligence may be awarded in recognition of a combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service." - Totally deserved for this essay. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 07:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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The Original Barnstar | |
Barnstars are nearly three years old, and I have never issued one before. You are the first. I give this to you in recognition of your articulate and well-thought out stances against Veropedia and against non-free content. Your parable was wonderful reading. Kingturtle ( talk) 18:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
Hi Angr. Regarding [1], I disagree that {{ Non-free film screenshot}} disallows the use of screenshots to identify a deceased actor. The template does not explicitly say that screenshots can only be used "for identification and critical commentary on the film and its contents"; it says that "Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement".[my italics] I think that the rationale I added [2] gave a good reason for fair use of the image in Jason Miller, and that use of the image meets the WP:NFCC, which allows a non-free image in deceased people's articles. Screenshots are most commonly used in film articles, but I have seen them used in other articles with seemingly no problems. Bláthnaid 21:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Day the Earth Stood Still 1951.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I saw your good intervention at User talk:Jrossgb and followed the link to your user page. The parable is really, really good. Thank you for that, it's really nudged me (even) further towards free over fair use images. I say this as someone who uploaded a lot of fair use images early in my time here, and has had messages from Betacommandbot about them ever since, it sometimes seems. Food for thought; thank you for posting it. -- John ( talk) 06:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
You are one of the "evolved achondrites"? ;-) (Fröhliche Weihnachten y'all) Shenme ( talk) 23:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
This *is* a standard citation system, and you should not change citation systems without consensus. Gimmetrow 02:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, what are you going to do here? User:Vary has decided to inflame the situation further, and revert to a version with footnotes, again removing perfectly valid parenthetic citations. Gimmetrow 08:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea if this would be of any help, in conjunction with the Handbook of Romanian and a bilingual dictionary, but I came across it while browsing. [3] See the last item. Oh, and I wish you much joy in the treasure hunt of learning a small language! SaundersW ( talk) 19:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Angr, I have read a few of your dispute navigations and have come to see you as fair-minded. Would you take a look at a single sentence over which there is general agreement and minor disagreement (the latter which seems to have festered) between another anon poster, 69.202.60.86 and me? The crux of the disagreement is placement of a marriage mention in the Peter Jennings article: I contend that barring additional, notable information about the fourth wife, Kayce Freed, my introduction of a few words about their union by mention of her in a "Death" section is readable and well-placed given what we know about her: the larger public has come to learn about her only after Jennings' passing. The other anon asserts that the sentence should be added amid a section predominately about Peter's work, with (what I describe as) a POV transition for readability. I counter that some non-relevent chronological insertions work and that others do not and that the anon's re-placement falls in the second category, with or without the creative transition. You can read my tedious talk response to the anon's quibblings--the salient points are numbers 1 and 2-- and a summary of the initial and follow-up edits. A "Personal life" section probably should be started which would include mention of Jennings' four marriages, his two children and other notables perhaps such as his great love of jazz or the scandal during his third marriage, now awkwardly inserted in the "Sole anchor" section. Thanks. 4.249.111.232 ( talk) 17:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Angr,
About the velarized L in Irish phonology, for clarity and consistency I think we should use the same convention for all velarized consonants. Besides aesthetic considerations, it would be more accessible to our readers. There's nothing special about velarized L except that it occurs in English, which surely is irrelevant for Irish. As for it displaying better, that depends which font you're using. IMO we shouldn't make decisions of substance in order to accommodate font or browser defects. We could use the tilde with all velarized consonants, but that wouldn't show off the contrast with palatalization as nicely. kwami ( talk) 20:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
But Angr, you're using two unrelated symbols for a single phonemic distinction, which strikes me as both inefficient and misleading. Also, the font problem isn't a matter of being proportional or monospace. I use a proportional font and l̪ˠ displays correctly; it's merely a matter of whether the font designer bothered to kern the font properly. Some of the SIL fonts are correctly proportioned, and we can expect that the number of properly designed IPA fonts will increase.
As for Ƶ§œš¹'s point, L is a case of deciding which diacritic to use, not which base letter. The pairs you brought up differ in more than just their secondary articulation, and so (except for /j/ & /ɣ/) aren't analogous. (The palatal-velar pairs would also be an argument against my case, but again don't address inconsistent use of diacritics.) kwami ( talk) 21:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
At the risk of seeming unpleasant, I must say that your latest edit to
Hazel (Watership Down) seems to be an instance of
causing disruption to make a point. Some of the material you deleted might be "
original research", but certainly not all of it. Please be selective. I suggest that you restore the material, and then edit it to eliminate any "OR".
Cordially,
Lonewolf BC (
talk)
21:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)