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What's with this edit? -- MZMcBride ( talk) 17:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been fixing ListasBot errors ever since it began synchronizing listas with DEFAULTSORT. I would say that more than half of such edits which I've examined have been wrong. I've only looked at the ones which show up on my Watchlist or in Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts. I haven't mentioned anything until now because, although the bot's been making mistakes, it's been valuable in that it pointed out existing incorrect DEFAULTSORTs. But I do wonder if it's appropriate for a bot to be making so many incorrect edits. Maybe it would be better to create a page similar to User:ListasBot/Reported biography pages which would list the pages and display both the listas and the DEFAULTSORT; then a human could quickly determine which was correct and which was in need of fixing. The human could either manually fix the incorrect one, or optionally, sort the entries in such a way that the bot could come back and properly process them. Just a suggestion. In general, you and your bots are doing a great job. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I have a suggestion for an improvement - if this is technically possible. Before the bot makes a change, can you have it compare the name of the article, the DEFAULTSORT, and the LISTAS parameter? In this case the bot copied over a correct LISTAS because I screwed up with the DEFAULTSORT. Maybe you could have the bot make an entry in a separate log for a situation where LISTAS and article name agree for you to manually check. I hope this helps. These changes are valuable - the bot have fixed a few of my other errors. Royal broil 13:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
|listas=
values. The main problem is that there's not a good way to tell the bot where a first name ends and a last name begins. Even if there were, cultures like Arabic, Japanese, etc., generally have the family name first (as opposed to most Western names, which are family name last), and the bot wouldn't be able to tell which order it's supposed to use -- unfortunately, it's just not that smart. There's even more special situations involving suffixes (Jr., Sr., II, III, Duke of Earl, etc). That being said, I generally find that {{
DEFAULTSORT}}'s are maintained more than |listas=
's are, and there's no reason for the two to be out of sync, so I find that getting them in sync, on the whole, does more good than harm. Also, I'm aversed to making up lists, because (as I stated above), they tend to be forgotten about and not worked. Thanks,
Mikaey,
Devil's advocate
18:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
|listas=
's are, but there's no reason for the two to be out of sync with each other, and I don't know that there's a good way for the bot to determine which one is more correct. Also, it seems that people are more protective of the articles on their watchlists than they are articles in a list that are handed to the Wikiproject. Frankly, in some respect, the bot did exactly what I intended it to do -- it got your attention (i.e., it got you pissed off -- no disrespect intended) so that you fixed a problem left by someone else ({{
sofixit}}).
Mikaey,
Devil's advocate
05:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Reverted ListasBot for second time: Marguerite de Angeli is almost always listed by libraries, whether Library of Congress or Dewey Decimal system, as ** De Angeli, Marguerite ** and NOT as ** Angeli, Marguerite de **. This was apparently the author's own preference. Thank you. EdK ( talk) 21:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I know that the general priority parameter for {{ WPBiography}} is deprecated, but the task force priority parameters are still in use, are they not; see [1]? I would appreciate your clarification. Thanks, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 01:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Re [2] / [3] and similar, AWB currently moves skiptotoc and talkheader to the top; your bot on the other hand is moving them below the Biography banner (when living=yes is present). WP:TPL claims that skiptotoc should be first, it isn't as clear about a Biography banner with living=yes (but does mention {{ blpo}} over talkheader). Thoughts? – xeno talk 17:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed you do a lot of editing on the talk page for Werner Cabrera. I just have a quick question for you. If you don't mind helping me out here a little, I was just wondering about the policy for using Google Translations as citations for an article. For obvious reasons, most of the facts on Werner Cabrera are from Spanish-language articles in newspapers and government publications. I was just wondering if there were a policy on whether I should use the Google Translations in my citations or just link to the actual websites themselves directly. Thank you for your time! DeeRD ( talk) 16:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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What's with this edit? -- MZMcBride ( talk) 17:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been fixing ListasBot errors ever since it began synchronizing listas with DEFAULTSORT. I would say that more than half of such edits which I've examined have been wrong. I've only looked at the ones which show up on my Watchlist or in Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts. I haven't mentioned anything until now because, although the bot's been making mistakes, it's been valuable in that it pointed out existing incorrect DEFAULTSORTs. But I do wonder if it's appropriate for a bot to be making so many incorrect edits. Maybe it would be better to create a page similar to User:ListasBot/Reported biography pages which would list the pages and display both the listas and the DEFAULTSORT; then a human could quickly determine which was correct and which was in need of fixing. The human could either manually fix the incorrect one, or optionally, sort the entries in such a way that the bot could come back and properly process them. Just a suggestion. In general, you and your bots are doing a great job. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I have a suggestion for an improvement - if this is technically possible. Before the bot makes a change, can you have it compare the name of the article, the DEFAULTSORT, and the LISTAS parameter? In this case the bot copied over a correct LISTAS because I screwed up with the DEFAULTSORT. Maybe you could have the bot make an entry in a separate log for a situation where LISTAS and article name agree for you to manually check. I hope this helps. These changes are valuable - the bot have fixed a few of my other errors. Royal broil 13:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
|listas=
values. The main problem is that there's not a good way to tell the bot where a first name ends and a last name begins. Even if there were, cultures like Arabic, Japanese, etc., generally have the family name first (as opposed to most Western names, which are family name last), and the bot wouldn't be able to tell which order it's supposed to use -- unfortunately, it's just not that smart. There's even more special situations involving suffixes (Jr., Sr., II, III, Duke of Earl, etc). That being said, I generally find that {{
DEFAULTSORT}}'s are maintained more than |listas=
's are, and there's no reason for the two to be out of sync, so I find that getting them in sync, on the whole, does more good than harm. Also, I'm aversed to making up lists, because (as I stated above), they tend to be forgotten about and not worked. Thanks,
Mikaey,
Devil's advocate
18:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
|listas=
's are, but there's no reason for the two to be out of sync with each other, and I don't know that there's a good way for the bot to determine which one is more correct. Also, it seems that people are more protective of the articles on their watchlists than they are articles in a list that are handed to the Wikiproject. Frankly, in some respect, the bot did exactly what I intended it to do -- it got your attention (i.e., it got you pissed off -- no disrespect intended) so that you fixed a problem left by someone else ({{
sofixit}}).
Mikaey,
Devil's advocate
05:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Reverted ListasBot for second time: Marguerite de Angeli is almost always listed by libraries, whether Library of Congress or Dewey Decimal system, as ** De Angeli, Marguerite ** and NOT as ** Angeli, Marguerite de **. This was apparently the author's own preference. Thank you. EdK ( talk) 21:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I know that the general priority parameter for {{ WPBiography}} is deprecated, but the task force priority parameters are still in use, are they not; see [1]? I would appreciate your clarification. Thanks, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 01:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Re [2] / [3] and similar, AWB currently moves skiptotoc and talkheader to the top; your bot on the other hand is moving them below the Biography banner (when living=yes is present). WP:TPL claims that skiptotoc should be first, it isn't as clear about a Biography banner with living=yes (but does mention {{ blpo}} over talkheader). Thoughts? – xeno talk 17:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed you do a lot of editing on the talk page for Werner Cabrera. I just have a quick question for you. If you don't mind helping me out here a little, I was just wondering about the policy for using Google Translations as citations for an article. For obvious reasons, most of the facts on Werner Cabrera are from Spanish-language articles in newspapers and government publications. I was just wondering if there were a policy on whether I should use the Google Translations in my citations or just link to the actual websites themselves directly. Thank you for your time! DeeRD ( talk) 16:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)