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Hello Please see User talk:John_Reaves#Your block of Lumberjake. Could you please verify on-wiki that Lumberjake ( talk · contribs) has been confirmed by checkuser to be the blocked user KONATA KONATA KONATA ( talk · contribs)? Thanks, Sandstein ( talk) 09:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Apologies if I caused an edit conflict here. :) Regards, Rudget . 19:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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I started to propose this article Earl Newton for deletion but found it had previously been deleted via AFD and closed by you. I've placed a speedy tag since it doesn't look like anything has changed in the past year or so since it was recreated. If you want to take a look please do. Foghate ( talk) 07:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I personally subscribe to "easy come, easy go", and if I've bitten a newbie, they should have their say. What would you suggest? (By the way, I've sorted out all my confusing recall stuff right now on the talk page, could you drop by there and take a look? I've technically had 3 requests, one went through but I kept my bit, the other two failed to go through). Keilana| Parlez ici 23:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to make a point, but I thought the process should be deprecated, as all too often it becomes an excuse to criticize the admin (not constructive criticism). Anyway, apologies for that.. and I haven't edited the page since. -- Solumeiras ( talk) 23:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, would you be kind enough to checkuser User:The Blip, an obvious sock trying to cause even more trouble at this very late stage of what has been a very distressing time. It would be a shame if he were to cause the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to roam Wikipedia, just as I'm getting them back into their stables. Giano ( talk) 11:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, Thatcher suggested I follow up with a couple of Checkusers directly. If you look here here, on this RFAR case I had put up a motion for a proper RFCU here. It's based on accumulated evidence here on the Evidence page that one or more users involved are the long-banned User:BryanFromPalatine. Thatcher has also weighed on on that Proposed Decision talk page, in the section directly above the one I linked. The evidence is based on a combination of IPs, geolocation (all the users appear to be within 5-15 miles of BryanFromPalatine's known location of Palatine, IL), behavior, and language. Any review would be appreciated. I apologize for the amount of evidence, but it was a complex one. Lawrence § t/ e 18:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that you have participated in Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates in the past. There are now two candidates and the project appears to be abandoned. If you could look at the candidates and vote it would be appreciated. Zginder ( talk) ( Contrib) 18:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey Lar. I mistakenly started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maeve O'Donovan without bothering to check for ghits. Improvements were made to the article such that I am now convinced that the subject is sufficiently notable to merit an entry on Wikipedia and have withdrawn the nomination. I also removed it from the log page. Would you be kind enough to formally close the withdrawn AfD for me? Thanks in advance, and best wishes. -- John ( talk) 19:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision may be found at the link above. Giano is placed on civility restriction for one year. Should Giano make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, Giano may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling. All parties in this case are strongly cautioned to pursue disputes in a civil manner designed to contribute to resolution and to cause minimal disruption. All the involved editors, both the supporters and detractors of IRC, are asked to avoid edit warring on project space pages even if their status is unclear, and are instructed to use civil discussion to resolve all issues with respect to the "admin" IRC channel. For the Arbitration committee, Thatcher 04:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
As requested by you. Thanks, Lar. Lawrence § t/ e 18:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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The sections below are broken down as straighforwardly as I could manage when detailing out all of this information for the RFAR, but some of it was added after the fact, as new connections and evidence were revealed. Note the references to hostipinfo, the website, below. Previously, BryanFromPalatine was an ultra-disruptive sockmaster that was dedicated to advocacy related to Free Republic, and then a whole laundry list of American Conservative political subjects, such as Peter Roskam and Rachel Marsden. He's played a role either directly or illicitly in several obnoxious RFARs and major messes for Wikipedia. As previously seen in various cases, he appears to have fairly wide access to a variety of IP ranges, but almost all of them are either in or directly adjacent to the small towns of Palatine, Elmhurst, and Hoffman Estates, in Illinois. All of these towns are within a 5-15 minute drive of each other, depending on whether you happen to look at Google Maps, Yahoo, Mapquest, or what have you. Trivial travel time. BryanFromPalatine, aka User:DeanHinnen, is openly 'from' Palatine, IL. Here is where it gets interesting: based on the more detailed analysis below, virtually *all* of the IPs below are either from, or directly adjacent to, all of these towns in Illinois. Again, on the "worst kept secrets", if you Google around for Bryan or Dean Hinnen, "Bosch" (the owner of the 209.221.240.193 IP), you'll find a news site with a reprinted email from a Bryan Dean Hinnen emailing from a Bosch IP address. Specifically, 209.221.240.193. The insanely wide array of Sprint Wireless IP address (a forest of them on the talk histories of Free Republic and Waterboarding) seem to indicate that BryanFromPalatine has either a smart phone or laptop with an account on Sprint Wireless. If it's anything like my laptop, it takes all of ten seconds to disconnect and reconnect on wireless. If he has a dedicated wireless provider, its entirely possible that he gets a new dynamic IP each time. Some (mostly the people on the list of names/IPs above) have suggested that "anyone" in the world gets these IPs. However, that's shot down by the fact that only people who speak in a legal tone of voice, and all with the same exact interests, all happen to use Sprint Wireless, with the same narrow political focus and agendas. I poked around on the Virgil Griffith Wikiscanner for these IP ranges, and couldn't find ANY evidence of wider usage that would indicate other users. So, the sock and abuse investigation here is based on equal parts IP technical info, and flagrant DUCKing of behavior, tone, and language. Please let me know how you need this broken down further or whatever else you may need. Note that a variety of the Sprint Wireless accounts, as well as Neutral Good, endless have fluffed and primped up Shimbumi2, to the point of giving him a now deleted RFA (detailed below). Shibumi2 was caught on that Goosecreek RFAR, and he mailed with Alison directly on that. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that Alison alternately vindicated or exonerated Shibumi2 of any wrongdoing with legal language. Every time I've made these points, they have like clockwork. However, Alison pointed out expressly in the unblock and RFAR workpage that there was no exoneration. Please let me know what else you may need. For more technical evidence, I could gather more IPs from the talk pages, but take your pick, especially the Free Republic talk page history--it's all these same narrow Sprint Wireless ranges. Lawrence § t/ e 18:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC) BryanFromPalatine sockpuppetry connectionBased on information from Black Kite's research in his opening statement. There is an extensive history of disruptive sockpuppetry related to conservative issues, and Free Republic happening here. User:BryanFromPalatine is still active on Wikipedia. Please review:
Consider:
Evidence that 209.221.240.193 is User:BryanFromPalatine
Evidence about Neutral Good( is BryanFromPalatine or his meatpuppet)
Evidence about the Cloud of Sprint called "Bob"(... and related accounts are BryanFromPalatine or his meatpuppets)
Evidence that Samurai Commuter is BryanFromPalatine
Evidence that The Friendly Ghost ( talk · contribs) is BFP
More evidence they're all BFP
Thats itLet me know what else you need. Lawrence § t/ e 18:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I think he needs the truth instead. Neutral Good ( talk) 04:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Lawrence Cohen is lyingSamurai Commuter wasn't banned as a sockpuppet. He was banned as a disruptive SPA. Lawrence Cohen lied about him when he claimed that Samurai Commuter was banned as a sockpuppet. That's just one of the many lies and distortions that Lawrence Cohen has posted here. Lar, please look at the evidence I posted on the Waterboarding RFAR Evidence page. I revealed two more of his distortions there. This is indicative of Lawrence's efforts here: lies and distortions. Neutral Good ( talk) 04:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Evidence that Justin88 ( talk · contribs) is BFP
Evidence that Gt2008 ( talk · contribs) is BFPOh dear. Gt2008 looks like a Freeper. We shoot those on sight, right? Neutral Good ( talk) 12:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC) |
I received the following message from Dr Who1975:
I just noticed this request to Markles page from Jan 3 where you ask him to block me to teach me a lesson. What the fuck is wrong with you? I realize we have disagreements and sometimes I get annoyed with your heavy handed techniques (as I'm sure you get annoyed with mine). But I always assume good faith when dealing with you. I would never do this kind of crap to you in a million years. I'd ask for an apology but what's the point.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 19:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Dr Who1975 has a history of making revisions to articles without regard to consensus. What do you think? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 19:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
You may be offline, but I thought you may wish to fulfil this request if it is still outstanding when you log on. Cheers. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 22:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Could I face a penalty due to this? It looks to me that all Steelbeard wants to do here is discuss our disagreement over [[Talk:United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008|
Talk:United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008. We've been discussing it and this is actually the 2nd time it's been put up for arbitration although the first time was never completed and moved to the discussion page by Jayvdb. Assuming I arbitration isn;t some attempt to impose a penalty on me. My only issue with Steelbeard doing it would be that he is not mentioning the discussion that has already occured.--
Dr who1975 (
talk) 22:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Wait a minute... I get it... your looking at a Rafr that Steelbeard opened 3 days ago...
User talk:Jayvdb already removed it from the arbitration page and suggested a compromise which we have been discussing at
Talk:United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008#dispute resolution. It is content oriented discussion that is not part of the "personal" issues that were occuring between him and me.--
Dr who1975 (
talk) 23:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry to keep arguing, I just want to ask you to please try to avoid applyinng too much inflection to my words. If I sound at all defensive here it's because I'm defending myself. I'm sure if we ever had a chance to work together as you have had with Stellbeard then we might have a better understanding. I've been a wikipedian for over 2 years during which time I've contributed a lot of helpful edits to thecommunity. You and I have only interacted for 2 days.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'm happy with the present makeup of the article. If Dr Who had noticed the edits I made at [1], I made revisions to the developing minor passage which prevailed. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 12:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much Lar, you are to be congratulated as well. I'm very satisfied that one of my pictures made it to good status. I hope that one day I get one featured too. ;-) Best regards, Hús ö nd 23:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar
I haven't been around much lately... a while ago I borrowed ripped off your header tabs at my
user page space. Now I notice they have devolved to a steaming pile of dog turd... do you have any idea what may have changed? I put in a wikibreak template and everything was fine for quite some time, removing that template didn't fix anything so I have put it back.
If you don't really have time, that's fine - I can dig around and work out what I did back when I put them in there. Ga rr ie 00:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you added the current picture to one of the banners for the Beatles Wikiproject. This image is of a boulevard in Paris, not Abbey Road; the similarity is incidental. Can't a better picture be found, so that a British band isn't represented by a French setting? Robert K S ( talk) 02:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
-- Daniel Case ( talk) 05:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I thought about this too. I don't want to permanently raise the bar this high. I think this is a special case because of the apparent community support that these users received. I think less than a slam dunk wouldn't have sufficed in this case. Cool Hand Luke 18:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
refactored to User talk:Adriaan90 ++ Lar: t/ c 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. -- O bot ( t • c) 03:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, I was just wondering if there was any update on the big Waterboarding RFCU? Thanks! Lawrence § t/ e 00:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry to pursue you cross-wiki as it were. It seems a bit sleepy at meta and I don't go there that often so I thought I'd ask here. Presumably the interwiki list just works on the basis that if no one objects for a few weeks and they seem appropriate someone will do them, that right? I cannot really find a policy statement but I guess it has never needed formalising? -- BozMo talk 12:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
That was a tough close... Well done. Someone had to and you are a mensch for deciding to do it. I expect someone will DRV you, so if someone does and I don't notice, would you please give me a nudge. ++ Lar: t/ c 03:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments; I've made the necessary changes. Incidentally, are you aware of the historical or technical reasons why the privilege set that allows for the promotion of admins doesn't allow for their demotion? Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 17:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
McDougall's Dream arrived today, and I rushed to snap it up from the library in the midst of a blustery snowstorm. It's a positively delightful little volume, signed by the author (a pharmacist, of all things!) and replete with typographical errors probably indicative of the size of the printing house. I have only just glanced at it, and already two lovely 'facts' about CC:
We will obviously have to take his declarations with a grain of salt—he also states that she was only involved in one accident—but his statistics seem trustworthy, at least. Have you found yet if it was in the books you picked up at the show? I am quite over my indignance at your luck; it's such a sweet little book that I want you to have it too. Maralia ( talk) 22:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
978-0-7385-5143-2 ... so a different book! Yours sounds better but when it rains it pours I guess. Have fun with your research! ++ Lar: t/ c 03:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) Um.. that's really bad poetry :) :) Was that by the author of the book or contemporary to the time? ++ Lar: t/ c 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello again, Lar. Someone is trying to insert controversial and uncited info inconsistent with other similar passages in the Whirlpool Corporation article again. Can you take a look? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 14:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
This has got to be the longest sockpuppet investigation in the history of Wikipedia. I have already had an
Unrelated result and a
Declined decision in two previous sockpuppet investigations. It was requested
here on January 21. Today is February 23. And now it's being used as an excuse by
User:Jehochman to dodge mediation. If I had instead been accused of child molesting, I would at least have a right to a speedy trial and protection from double jeopardy. When is it going to end? Doesn't this seem like a case of "let's keep doing it over and over, until I get the results I want" to you, Lar? Remember, you have every right to say
Declined and put an end to this right now.
Neutral Good (
talk) 20:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Lar, could you have a look at WP:AE#Waterboarding? Jehochman Talk 00:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, I know we haven't even begun yet but this evening I received this. What are your thoughts? I suppose, worst case scenario is I agree, fail and continue into admin coaching ;-) Avruch T 02:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
As your the resident expert on recalls, I'd like your input on my own criteria at User:MBisanz/Recall, suggestions, critiques, etc. Thanks. MBisanz talk 06:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Lar, hope you're well. Could you please take a look at this user - something stinks in the state of Denmark! Check out the comment left at User talk:Sexybabe10 Cheers La! Vera, Chuck & Dave ( talk) 22:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Some concerns have arisen that User:Kodster and User:Sexybabe10 are in fact further escapees from a sockfarm run by indef banned sockpuppeteer, Sixstring1965. Some of the inappropriate sexual content of some of his other socks seems to match that issued by both of these users. A past detailed SSP finding can be found here, and there were AN/I reports filed as well. If they are in fact fromt he same source, might I be asked that the users be flame-broiled alive, beaten with a wiffle bat and then indef blocked? I opt for the harsher stuff because we will have to rollback all of both users' contributions. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
You've been mentioned at WP:AE#Waterboarding and Neutral Good. Jehochman Talk 04:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Your name in vain here. - 152.91.9.144 ( talk) 01:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Please would you userfy the article Novocastrian Philosophers' Club which was deleted? Thank you. MSGJ ( talk) 13:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I think you're right; it looks like nonsense! I was just curious whether I could get something from it for Literary and Philosophical Society of Newcastle upon Tyne which I have done some work on. The article can stay in my userspace but I notice that its article in the main space is redirecting to the copy in my user space. Is that normal? Thanks for your help. MSGJ ( talk) 20:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Can I ask your advice on a different issue? An anonymous IP is requesting redirects at AfC. When these are created they are redirecting the talk pages to the talk page of the redirect target. I told them that I don't think this is usual, because for example if someone wants to discuss the redirection this would be the page to discuss it. However they haven't responded to my comment (or haven't seen it as they seem to be on a different IP now) and are still pursuing this. Before I approach them again, can you confirm if what I said was right? Thanks. MSGJ ( talk) 08:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Lar for the information on removing talk comments. In the future, I will keep comments so any other threads can be added to them and everyone is informed. I just don't want the page to get cluttered, that's all :)
Hope you enjoy your day?
Oh, and if I may ask you? Are you aware of a user named Sixstring? Répondez-vous, s'il vous plait. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! ( talk) 23:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, can you please see this [6]. I need assistance to perform interwiki checkuser. VartanM ( talk) 06:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I cant see how Age of Secrets is related to the rfcu (yet..), but it seems to be the focal point of WP:SSP(Peterx45678). -- John Vandenberg ( talk) 13:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am referring to Sixstring1965 (as you mentioned). I am being unfairly accused of being another sock puppet of Mister Ricochet. On my talk page, Andreasedge accuses me of being sixstring. "Are you related to sixstring?" he asked me. He later said that he does not believe me. I am sorry for acting like a whiner, but I am new, but I feel that Andreasedge is biting me.
Thank you for standing up for me. I appreciate it. My account is barely five days old (if it is even that old), and already I feel hassled. I do not feel welcome here at Wikipedia.
I am really, genuinely, truly sorry for my comment. I assure you, I would not like anything more than to take that back. I really acted foolish, and I regret it. I am sorry, and I hope to make it up with exceptional contributions. Thank you, and have a great day. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! ( talk) 21:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, it's the Kodster. I hope that the Sixstring thing is all cleared up. You can think I'm a sock or not, either way I'm not. Well, it's good to gain people's trust. Anyway, I attempt to use status bot on my user page. It does not function correctly. I could not find a way to fix it. Could you please help? I noticed that you use status bot.
Oh. Could you look at my user page? Is it appropriate? I don't want to offend. I know perfectly well what trouble that can get me into (*false accusations*). Well, thanks.
Have a great day! Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! ( talk) 21:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I left a message for you on AN/I as to why the eleemosynary block was discussed on the checkuser list. If you can elaborate, I'd appreciate it, if not, that's fine. Just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't see it there. ⇒ SWATJester Son of the Defender 20:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Lar, I know that most of my edits to this page are when a suspicion of sockpuppetry arise but this time I really need to clear the doubt, today this IP address 150.210.226.2 insulted me and other users in Spanish for no apparent reason, upon examining his contributions (trying to figure why he was attacking me) I noticed that he edits on articles related to the Dominican Republic and was warned before for edit warring on St. John's University (New York City), wich rang a bell in prior cases involving Domincan-based vandals, when I checked the article's history I found two familiar blocked edit warriors and sockpuppeters, User:UnclePaco and User:YoSoyGuapo, I must really know if YoSoyGuapo is responsible for this attack since he was given a second chance by Tony the Marine after I informed him of a situation involving YSG's sockpuppetry, when he was unblocked I left him a note letting him know that if he ever engaged in disruptive behavior the blocwould be reinstated to wich he agreed. Evidently randomly posting personal attacks would be considered a breach of this compromise and would revoke his second chance, thanks for your time. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
While you were discounted in the recent WT:RFA discussion as being active at commons (I guess they afraid to lose you there : ) - I was wondering if you'd be interested in being a bureaucrat here? - jc37 03:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hello Please see User talk:John_Reaves#Your block of Lumberjake. Could you please verify on-wiki that Lumberjake ( talk · contribs) has been confirmed by checkuser to be the blocked user KONATA KONATA KONATA ( talk · contribs)? Thanks, Sandstein ( talk) 09:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Apologies if I caused an edit conflict here. :) Regards, Rudget . 19:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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I started to propose this article Earl Newton for deletion but found it had previously been deleted via AFD and closed by you. I've placed a speedy tag since it doesn't look like anything has changed in the past year or so since it was recreated. If you want to take a look please do. Foghate ( talk) 07:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I personally subscribe to "easy come, easy go", and if I've bitten a newbie, they should have their say. What would you suggest? (By the way, I've sorted out all my confusing recall stuff right now on the talk page, could you drop by there and take a look? I've technically had 3 requests, one went through but I kept my bit, the other two failed to go through). Keilana| Parlez ici 23:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to make a point, but I thought the process should be deprecated, as all too often it becomes an excuse to criticize the admin (not constructive criticism). Anyway, apologies for that.. and I haven't edited the page since. -- Solumeiras ( talk) 23:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, would you be kind enough to checkuser User:The Blip, an obvious sock trying to cause even more trouble at this very late stage of what has been a very distressing time. It would be a shame if he were to cause the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to roam Wikipedia, just as I'm getting them back into their stables. Giano ( talk) 11:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, Thatcher suggested I follow up with a couple of Checkusers directly. If you look here here, on this RFAR case I had put up a motion for a proper RFCU here. It's based on accumulated evidence here on the Evidence page that one or more users involved are the long-banned User:BryanFromPalatine. Thatcher has also weighed on on that Proposed Decision talk page, in the section directly above the one I linked. The evidence is based on a combination of IPs, geolocation (all the users appear to be within 5-15 miles of BryanFromPalatine's known location of Palatine, IL), behavior, and language. Any review would be appreciated. I apologize for the amount of evidence, but it was a complex one. Lawrence § t/ e 18:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that you have participated in Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates in the past. There are now two candidates and the project appears to be abandoned. If you could look at the candidates and vote it would be appreciated. Zginder ( talk) ( Contrib) 18:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey Lar. I mistakenly started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maeve O'Donovan without bothering to check for ghits. Improvements were made to the article such that I am now convinced that the subject is sufficiently notable to merit an entry on Wikipedia and have withdrawn the nomination. I also removed it from the log page. Would you be kind enough to formally close the withdrawn AfD for me? Thanks in advance, and best wishes. -- John ( talk) 19:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision may be found at the link above. Giano is placed on civility restriction for one year. Should Giano make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, Giano may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling. All parties in this case are strongly cautioned to pursue disputes in a civil manner designed to contribute to resolution and to cause minimal disruption. All the involved editors, both the supporters and detractors of IRC, are asked to avoid edit warring on project space pages even if their status is unclear, and are instructed to use civil discussion to resolve all issues with respect to the "admin" IRC channel. For the Arbitration committee, Thatcher 04:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
As requested by you. Thanks, Lar. Lawrence § t/ e 18:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Report moved to
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/BryanFromPalatine, per Lar's suggestion by
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BryanFromPalatine
The sections below are broken down as straighforwardly as I could manage when detailing out all of this information for the RFAR, but some of it was added after the fact, as new connections and evidence were revealed. Note the references to hostipinfo, the website, below. Previously, BryanFromPalatine was an ultra-disruptive sockmaster that was dedicated to advocacy related to Free Republic, and then a whole laundry list of American Conservative political subjects, such as Peter Roskam and Rachel Marsden. He's played a role either directly or illicitly in several obnoxious RFARs and major messes for Wikipedia. As previously seen in various cases, he appears to have fairly wide access to a variety of IP ranges, but almost all of them are either in or directly adjacent to the small towns of Palatine, Elmhurst, and Hoffman Estates, in Illinois. All of these towns are within a 5-15 minute drive of each other, depending on whether you happen to look at Google Maps, Yahoo, Mapquest, or what have you. Trivial travel time. BryanFromPalatine, aka User:DeanHinnen, is openly 'from' Palatine, IL. Here is where it gets interesting: based on the more detailed analysis below, virtually *all* of the IPs below are either from, or directly adjacent to, all of these towns in Illinois. Again, on the "worst kept secrets", if you Google around for Bryan or Dean Hinnen, "Bosch" (the owner of the 209.221.240.193 IP), you'll find a news site with a reprinted email from a Bryan Dean Hinnen emailing from a Bosch IP address. Specifically, 209.221.240.193. The insanely wide array of Sprint Wireless IP address (a forest of them on the talk histories of Free Republic and Waterboarding) seem to indicate that BryanFromPalatine has either a smart phone or laptop with an account on Sprint Wireless. If it's anything like my laptop, it takes all of ten seconds to disconnect and reconnect on wireless. If he has a dedicated wireless provider, its entirely possible that he gets a new dynamic IP each time. Some (mostly the people on the list of names/IPs above) have suggested that "anyone" in the world gets these IPs. However, that's shot down by the fact that only people who speak in a legal tone of voice, and all with the same exact interests, all happen to use Sprint Wireless, with the same narrow political focus and agendas. I poked around on the Virgil Griffith Wikiscanner for these IP ranges, and couldn't find ANY evidence of wider usage that would indicate other users. So, the sock and abuse investigation here is based on equal parts IP technical info, and flagrant DUCKing of behavior, tone, and language. Please let me know how you need this broken down further or whatever else you may need. Note that a variety of the Sprint Wireless accounts, as well as Neutral Good, endless have fluffed and primped up Shimbumi2, to the point of giving him a now deleted RFA (detailed below). Shibumi2 was caught on that Goosecreek RFAR, and he mailed with Alison directly on that. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that Alison alternately vindicated or exonerated Shibumi2 of any wrongdoing with legal language. Every time I've made these points, they have like clockwork. However, Alison pointed out expressly in the unblock and RFAR workpage that there was no exoneration. Please let me know what else you may need. For more technical evidence, I could gather more IPs from the talk pages, but take your pick, especially the Free Republic talk page history--it's all these same narrow Sprint Wireless ranges. Lawrence § t/ e 18:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC) BryanFromPalatine sockpuppetry connectionBased on information from Black Kite's research in his opening statement. There is an extensive history of disruptive sockpuppetry related to conservative issues, and Free Republic happening here. User:BryanFromPalatine is still active on Wikipedia. Please review:
Consider:
Evidence that 209.221.240.193 is User:BryanFromPalatine
Evidence about Neutral Good( is BryanFromPalatine or his meatpuppet)
Evidence about the Cloud of Sprint called "Bob"(... and related accounts are BryanFromPalatine or his meatpuppets)
Evidence that Samurai Commuter is BryanFromPalatine
Evidence that The Friendly Ghost ( talk · contribs) is BFP
More evidence they're all BFP
Thats itLet me know what else you need. Lawrence § t/ e 18:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I think he needs the truth instead. Neutral Good ( talk) 04:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Lawrence Cohen is lyingSamurai Commuter wasn't banned as a sockpuppet. He was banned as a disruptive SPA. Lawrence Cohen lied about him when he claimed that Samurai Commuter was banned as a sockpuppet. That's just one of the many lies and distortions that Lawrence Cohen has posted here. Lar, please look at the evidence I posted on the Waterboarding RFAR Evidence page. I revealed two more of his distortions there. This is indicative of Lawrence's efforts here: lies and distortions. Neutral Good ( talk) 04:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Evidence that Justin88 ( talk · contribs) is BFP
Evidence that Gt2008 ( talk · contribs) is BFPOh dear. Gt2008 looks like a Freeper. We shoot those on sight, right? Neutral Good ( talk) 12:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC) |
I received the following message from Dr Who1975:
I just noticed this request to Markles page from Jan 3 where you ask him to block me to teach me a lesson. What the fuck is wrong with you? I realize we have disagreements and sometimes I get annoyed with your heavy handed techniques (as I'm sure you get annoyed with mine). But I always assume good faith when dealing with you. I would never do this kind of crap to you in a million years. I'd ask for an apology but what's the point.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 19:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Dr Who1975 has a history of making revisions to articles without regard to consensus. What do you think? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 19:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
You may be offline, but I thought you may wish to fulfil this request if it is still outstanding when you log on. Cheers. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 22:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Could I face a penalty due to this? It looks to me that all Steelbeard wants to do here is discuss our disagreement over [[Talk:United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008|
Talk:United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008. We've been discussing it and this is actually the 2nd time it's been put up for arbitration although the first time was never completed and moved to the discussion page by Jayvdb. Assuming I arbitration isn;t some attempt to impose a penalty on me. My only issue with Steelbeard doing it would be that he is not mentioning the discussion that has already occured.--
Dr who1975 (
talk) 22:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Wait a minute... I get it... your looking at a Rafr that Steelbeard opened 3 days ago...
User talk:Jayvdb already removed it from the arbitration page and suggested a compromise which we have been discussing at
Talk:United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008#dispute resolution. It is content oriented discussion that is not part of the "personal" issues that were occuring between him and me.--
Dr who1975 (
talk) 23:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry to keep arguing, I just want to ask you to please try to avoid applyinng too much inflection to my words. If I sound at all defensive here it's because I'm defending myself. I'm sure if we ever had a chance to work together as you have had with Stellbeard then we might have a better understanding. I've been a wikipedian for over 2 years during which time I've contributed a lot of helpful edits to thecommunity. You and I have only interacted for 2 days.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'm happy with the present makeup of the article. If Dr Who had noticed the edits I made at [1], I made revisions to the developing minor passage which prevailed. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 12:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much Lar, you are to be congratulated as well. I'm very satisfied that one of my pictures made it to good status. I hope that one day I get one featured too. ;-) Best regards, Hús ö nd 23:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar
I haven't been around much lately... a while ago I borrowed ripped off your header tabs at my
user page space. Now I notice they have devolved to a steaming pile of dog turd... do you have any idea what may have changed? I put in a wikibreak template and everything was fine for quite some time, removing that template didn't fix anything so I have put it back.
If you don't really have time, that's fine - I can dig around and work out what I did back when I put them in there. Ga rr ie 00:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you added the current picture to one of the banners for the Beatles Wikiproject. This image is of a boulevard in Paris, not Abbey Road; the similarity is incidental. Can't a better picture be found, so that a British band isn't represented by a French setting? Robert K S ( talk) 02:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
-- Daniel Case ( talk) 05:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I thought about this too. I don't want to permanently raise the bar this high. I think this is a special case because of the apparent community support that these users received. I think less than a slam dunk wouldn't have sufficed in this case. Cool Hand Luke 18:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
refactored to User talk:Adriaan90 ++ Lar: t/ c 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 23:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. -- O bot ( t • c) 03:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, I was just wondering if there was any update on the big Waterboarding RFCU? Thanks! Lawrence § t/ e 00:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry to pursue you cross-wiki as it were. It seems a bit sleepy at meta and I don't go there that often so I thought I'd ask here. Presumably the interwiki list just works on the basis that if no one objects for a few weeks and they seem appropriate someone will do them, that right? I cannot really find a policy statement but I guess it has never needed formalising? -- BozMo talk 12:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
That was a tough close... Well done. Someone had to and you are a mensch for deciding to do it. I expect someone will DRV you, so if someone does and I don't notice, would you please give me a nudge. ++ Lar: t/ c 03:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments; I've made the necessary changes. Incidentally, are you aware of the historical or technical reasons why the privilege set that allows for the promotion of admins doesn't allow for their demotion? Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 17:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
McDougall's Dream arrived today, and I rushed to snap it up from the library in the midst of a blustery snowstorm. It's a positively delightful little volume, signed by the author (a pharmacist, of all things!) and replete with typographical errors probably indicative of the size of the printing house. I have only just glanced at it, and already two lovely 'facts' about CC:
We will obviously have to take his declarations with a grain of salt—he also states that she was only involved in one accident—but his statistics seem trustworthy, at least. Have you found yet if it was in the books you picked up at the show? I am quite over my indignance at your luck; it's such a sweet little book that I want you to have it too. Maralia ( talk) 22:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
978-0-7385-5143-2 ... so a different book! Yours sounds better but when it rains it pours I guess. Have fun with your research! ++ Lar: t/ c 03:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) Um.. that's really bad poetry :) :) Was that by the author of the book or contemporary to the time? ++ Lar: t/ c 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello again, Lar. Someone is trying to insert controversial and uncited info inconsistent with other similar passages in the Whirlpool Corporation article again. Can you take a look? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 14:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
This has got to be the longest sockpuppet investigation in the history of Wikipedia. I have already had an
Unrelated result and a
Declined decision in two previous sockpuppet investigations. It was requested
here on January 21. Today is February 23. And now it's being used as an excuse by
User:Jehochman to dodge mediation. If I had instead been accused of child molesting, I would at least have a right to a speedy trial and protection from double jeopardy. When is it going to end? Doesn't this seem like a case of "let's keep doing it over and over, until I get the results I want" to you, Lar? Remember, you have every right to say
Declined and put an end to this right now.
Neutral Good (
talk) 20:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Lar, could you have a look at WP:AE#Waterboarding? Jehochman Talk 00:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, I know we haven't even begun yet but this evening I received this. What are your thoughts? I suppose, worst case scenario is I agree, fail and continue into admin coaching ;-) Avruch T 02:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
As your the resident expert on recalls, I'd like your input on my own criteria at User:MBisanz/Recall, suggestions, critiques, etc. Thanks. MBisanz talk 06:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, previously you expressed interest in participating in the Wikipedia:Admin coaching project. We are currently conducting a reconfirmation drive to give coaches the opportunity to update their information and capacity to participate in the project. Please visit Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Status to update your status. Also, please remember to update your capacity (5th table variable) in the form of a fraction (eg. 2/3 means you are currently coaching 2 students, and could accept 1 more student). Thank you. MBisanz talk 09:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, hope you're well. Could you please take a look at this user - something stinks in the state of Denmark! Check out the comment left at User talk:Sexybabe10 Cheers La! Vera, Chuck & Dave ( talk) 22:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Some concerns have arisen that User:Kodster and User:Sexybabe10 are in fact further escapees from a sockfarm run by indef banned sockpuppeteer, Sixstring1965. Some of the inappropriate sexual content of some of his other socks seems to match that issued by both of these users. A past detailed SSP finding can be found here, and there were AN/I reports filed as well. If they are in fact fromt he same source, might I be asked that the users be flame-broiled alive, beaten with a wiffle bat and then indef blocked? I opt for the harsher stuff because we will have to rollback all of both users' contributions. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
You've been mentioned at WP:AE#Waterboarding and Neutral Good. Jehochman Talk 04:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Your name in vain here. - 152.91.9.144 ( talk) 01:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Please would you userfy the article Novocastrian Philosophers' Club which was deleted? Thank you. MSGJ ( talk) 13:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I think you're right; it looks like nonsense! I was just curious whether I could get something from it for Literary and Philosophical Society of Newcastle upon Tyne which I have done some work on. The article can stay in my userspace but I notice that its article in the main space is redirecting to the copy in my user space. Is that normal? Thanks for your help. MSGJ ( talk) 20:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Can I ask your advice on a different issue? An anonymous IP is requesting redirects at AfC. When these are created they are redirecting the talk pages to the talk page of the redirect target. I told them that I don't think this is usual, because for example if someone wants to discuss the redirection this would be the page to discuss it. However they haven't responded to my comment (or haven't seen it as they seem to be on a different IP now) and are still pursuing this. Before I approach them again, can you confirm if what I said was right? Thanks. MSGJ ( talk) 08:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Lar for the information on removing talk comments. In the future, I will keep comments so any other threads can be added to them and everyone is informed. I just don't want the page to get cluttered, that's all :)
Hope you enjoy your day?
Oh, and if I may ask you? Are you aware of a user named Sixstring? Répondez-vous, s'il vous plait. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! ( talk) 23:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lar, can you please see this [6]. I need assistance to perform interwiki checkuser. VartanM ( talk) 06:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I cant see how Age of Secrets is related to the rfcu (yet..), but it seems to be the focal point of WP:SSP(Peterx45678). -- John Vandenberg ( talk) 13:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am referring to Sixstring1965 (as you mentioned). I am being unfairly accused of being another sock puppet of Mister Ricochet. On my talk page, Andreasedge accuses me of being sixstring. "Are you related to sixstring?" he asked me. He later said that he does not believe me. I am sorry for acting like a whiner, but I am new, but I feel that Andreasedge is biting me.
Thank you for standing up for me. I appreciate it. My account is barely five days old (if it is even that old), and already I feel hassled. I do not feel welcome here at Wikipedia.
I am really, genuinely, truly sorry for my comment. I assure you, I would not like anything more than to take that back. I really acted foolish, and I regret it. I am sorry, and I hope to make it up with exceptional contributions. Thank you, and have a great day. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! ( talk) 21:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, it's the Kodster. I hope that the Sixstring thing is all cleared up. You can think I'm a sock or not, either way I'm not. Well, it's good to gain people's trust. Anyway, I attempt to use status bot on my user page. It does not function correctly. I could not find a way to fix it. Could you please help? I noticed that you use status bot.
Oh. Could you look at my user page? Is it appropriate? I don't want to offend. I know perfectly well what trouble that can get me into (*false accusations*). Well, thanks.
Have a great day! Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! ( talk) 21:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I left a message for you on AN/I as to why the eleemosynary block was discussed on the checkuser list. If you can elaborate, I'd appreciate it, if not, that's fine. Just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't see it there. ⇒ SWATJester Son of the Defender 20:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Lar, I know that most of my edits to this page are when a suspicion of sockpuppetry arise but this time I really need to clear the doubt, today this IP address 150.210.226.2 insulted me and other users in Spanish for no apparent reason, upon examining his contributions (trying to figure why he was attacking me) I noticed that he edits on articles related to the Dominican Republic and was warned before for edit warring on St. John's University (New York City), wich rang a bell in prior cases involving Domincan-based vandals, when I checked the article's history I found two familiar blocked edit warriors and sockpuppeters, User:UnclePaco and User:YoSoyGuapo, I must really know if YoSoyGuapo is responsible for this attack since he was given a second chance by Tony the Marine after I informed him of a situation involving YSG's sockpuppetry, when he was unblocked I left him a note letting him know that if he ever engaged in disruptive behavior the blocwould be reinstated to wich he agreed. Evidently randomly posting personal attacks would be considered a breach of this compromise and would revoke his second chance, thanks for your time. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
While you were discounted in the recent WT:RFA discussion as being active at commons (I guess they afraid to lose you there : ) - I was wondering if you'd be interested in being a bureaucrat here? - jc37 03:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)