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Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. -- O bot ( t • c) 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! It's about a IP you blocked a while ago... 80.67.172.44 is a undocumented TOR exit node... Thanks! -- Giggity Giggity GOO! 02:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Refactored to User_talk:Parsecboy#Christopher_Columbus_(whaleback) per my policy) ++ Lar: t/ c 21:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits! To your points:
I think much improvement has been had. I suggest we refactor this thread to the article talk page though so others can comment. I'll do that tomorrow unless you object. ++ Lar: t/ c 03:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the review and the feedback. I'll see what I can do to address your concerns. — RJH ( talk) 15:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on HarveyCarter and his SPs. He created a new one this AM, CarlRaymond ( talk · contribs).
How do we find out which of the "innocent" editors is really HC? Thanks again. IP4240207xx 17:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
PRETTY PLEASE
IP4240207xx
I think I might have a new one: JohnSalway ( talk · contribs) Do you want to check it, or do you want me to put it on Checkuser/IP? Thanks. IP4240207xx 20:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I apologise for taking your time as you are a very busy user but I thought that soon as you probably have alot of items on your watchlist, I just thought Id let you know that I asked for your opinion related to the username policy at User talk:Tbo 157/Admin coaching#Can we go through username policy?. Once again I apologise for taking your time. Thanks. Tbo 157 (talk) (review) 16:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have added some comments. Could you please have a read. [2] Thanks ExtraDry 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. -- MZMcBride 04:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I was just curious as to why you removed comments by the user Agentareas from the talk page Talk:The Glass Teat. I was under the impression that talk page comments shouldn't be reverted. Thanks Sbacle 13:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
You say articles by the account allegedly being used by Amorrow (although there is no meaningful evidence for this allegation) have been speedy deleted. Can you send me these articles by e-mail and allow me to recreate them myself if I deem them to be accurate and appropriate? It is utterly irrational to allow wikipolitics to take priority over the construction of the encyclopedia. Everyking 04:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
This is not the place to debate the Wikipedia policy in this matter, which is absolutely unequivocally crystal clear. All edits by banned user Amorrow or his socks are to be reverted on sight regardless of their merit. I implemented that policy in certain recent cases, as did other admins. If you wish to debate that policy, please do so elsewhere, it's not a debatable point with me.
Reverted revisions are still in the article history, so if any editor chooses to reapply them in his or her own name, that's fine. (see above for an example of that, in fact)
As for entire deleted articles, I have applied my considered judgement as to which of the articles deleted in their entireity have the potential to be useful. There is one, Deborah_Mayer. I have offered, per my own policy about deleted articles, to userify that one article to a subpage (not email, that is how I choose to implement my offer, but userify) of a user in good standing who asks. (So far no user in good standing (under my own personal criteria, which are not subject to debate, I will apply them as I see fit) has so asked. I am not the only admin here, so if anyone should disagree with my approach, they should feel free to (referencing this discussion in their request in the interests of transparency, please) ask some other admin for the material. I hope that clarifies this and that we are done. ++ Lar: t/ c 17:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Amorrow has a history of using articles about living women as part of his harassment campaigns of those women. While I don't think you are in league with him, I also don't trust you (based on my observations at some remove of your past actions here, and your comments on WR and elsewhere) to properly rewrite that article in one go to make it useless to him for that purpose before recreating it so it might well have to be deleted again, or revisions of it deleted. Taking it through AfD again plays right into his hands, in my view. So I decline. Convince some other admin. As for who did what, you are free to examine the logs. ++ Lar: t/ c 13:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I've expressed my opinion on this matter on Everyking's talk page. — Ilmari Karonen ( talk) 06:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
You asked me to list ways that you were "acting to the detriment of this encyclopedia". Don't be upset that I then did so. This matter is closed. Please go find someone else to interact with, as I'm tired of this entire thread, and tired of the amount of time you waste. I've seen this tendentiousness of yours before, and it's definitely a detriment to the encyclopedia. I highly doubt I'll be changing my mind about giving you the text, or about my evaluation of your approach. Please go find something else to do. ++ Lar: t/ c 13:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
moved to User_talk:Backsigns#Unhelpful_edit per my policy ++ Lar: t/ c 12:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Lar. Remember how an anonimous IP from Toronto was the "person" that reported me as probably being involved in sockpuppetry? Well, remember that I wanted a public check user because I knew who that person was and I knew he was going to use that against my good-faith editions?
Well, you told me to come and ask for your help if that happened so here I am [3]. The ONLY person using the check user as an "argument" against me is Corticopia. He's from Toronto and I'm 100% sure he is the person that "reported" me.
Also, please advice me what to do respecting all the evidence I have against Corticopia and his multiple past accounts/violations. All the info is on my talk page. Please tell me what should I do in order to report his behaviour. He has recently continued with his uncivility and the use of profanity, among other violations. Alex C. ( Talk? ) 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Lar. RECENTCHANGES showed you as an administrator who was online, as it were.
There's a bit of a rumpus at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Iceland-related articles), of all the unlikely places. At least one block for 3RR is in order, but I shouldn't do it as I'm an involved party, and frankly I can't stomach the formalities needed for an official report. -- Hoary 05:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The policy specifically says that "reversion of user talk pages can be left to the individual page owner". So leave my talk page alone, please. Everyking 05:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, ok. I didn't realize the person was a banned sockpuppet. I thought you just didn't like what s/he said. :) Aleta 15:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Lar, I was wondering...how do I get a username that is registered on Commons and yet has made 0 edits? nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 05:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Lol, I am a commons noob. Many thanks Lar -- Samir 00:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lar,
I am an admin and I saw the block of Everyking on ANI. I have no interest in getting involved in the Everyking/Amorrow discussion (in general, I think Kirill's block of Everyking is justified) but, after reading your interaction with Everyking, I was curious about the Deborah Mayer article and upon reading the last revision of it, I think it is encyclopedic and worth restoring.
However, I have no wish to do so in a way that might be considered disruptive or unhelpful. How would you suggest going about this?
-- Richard 06:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lar, thanks v much for you info at SS City of Everett! I've never done anything with images before, but I've been wanting to learn how it's done, so I'll take a look at the images you suggested. I'll assume for now that the help pages at Commons will explain the necessary process, but now you'll bear the brunt if I need clarification. :D (Although you did lose me on the hull numbering thing, since I'm not really a ship fan, I'm sure other editors will dig it.)
BTW, your User page would be ever-so-slightly improved if you linked the OTRS acronym to the Meta page; I hadn't heard of it before, and had to follow a link backwards from your link to find out what the heck it is.
Having done that, also BTW, I am a bit humbled that such an important editor (a checkuser no less!) would help out on the teensy little Everett article. Thanks again! Cheers, m8 :D Eaglizard 20:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. -- O bot ( t • c) 23:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lar. Sorry to keep dropping by like this but since I haven't heard much feedback on how I am doing overall in my admin coaching, could you possibly do this at User talk:Tbo 157/Admin coaching#How am I doing?, when you have a bit of time. This would be greatly appreciated as it would allow me to see and improve on my weak areas. I have also asked User:John if he could do the same so that I can get an opinion from 2 users. Thanks. Tbo 157 (talk) (review) 13:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed this. That is easily one of the most appreciated compliments I have ever had on this project. Thank you. I learned a lot from your oppose way back then (it is fascinating, instructive, and sometimes deeply uncomfortable to see yourself as others see you, as my national bard once observed), and if I have done anything right since 30 August 2006 (and I believe I have too), I give you a lot of credit for giving me such powerful advice. Obviously at the time I would have preferred it to be attached to a Support !vote, but hey, I passed anyway. You know what? I have never regretted that, and I am still as proud as I was then to "serve in this capacity". Take care, -- John 23:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
...
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An’ foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
An’ ev’n devotion!
From " To a Louse" by Robert Burns.
Text of whole poem here
Sorry, Lar, but we haven't spoken much recently - and it is possible we may not again. There was nothing personal, and it certainly wasn't directed at you (I speak with Jimbo even more infrequently), but there are principles involved. Mine. I know you know how much I am willing to cut my nose to spite my face, and I'm actually peeved that a better venue immediately offered itself after I hit "Save Page", but somebody needs to make a stand for all those who sweat to uphold the letter of the law and to request account from those who treat it as a negotiable concept - and I may as well be one of them... As I said at the start, and I mean it, sorry. LessHeard vanU 23:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Help! I've moved hooks to the next update page. Need admin help to move to the main page. Thanks. Archtransit 15:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Resolved! The next update page was empty. So I filled it. Finally, an admin moved that to the main page. Archtransit 16:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Lar, I know I'm displaying my ignorance, but I want to ask you about the dabs you added to SS City of Everett: given that the article title starts with the SS, I would have thought dabs were unnecessary. How likely is a reader to find this page accidentally? I mean, I thought that was the point of having the SS?
Btw, thanks for clarifying that bit about the salvage rights; I knew my ignorance of shipping matters was causing me to misunderstand, I guess, I was hoping another editor would see what I was trying to do. (This is a process I use, similar to BRD, you might call it Ignorantly Edit and Wait lol.) You did, indeed manage to correct it and get across the point I was stabbing at. Groovy. :) Eaglizard 20:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I just noticed City of Everett is a redirect to Museum of Flight; surely that can't be right. Although the aircraft of that name is housed in that museum, doesn't it seem unlikely a reader would be looking for that when searching for "city of everett"? Shouldn't it redirect to Everett, Washington? This is all a bit murky to me, can you tell? What I really wanted to do was to create a page for the bird, too, but I'm biased by my desire to rack up a few more new articles of my own creation. <eg> I don't see how that could ever be more than a stub... If you've a moment to make a suggestion, I'd appreciate that. :) Eaglizard 20:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
DYK next update is RED! Thanks. Mrs.EasterBunny 23:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
--++ Lar: t/ c 02:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I recognize that this user page belongs to the Wikipedia project and not to me personally. As such, I recognize that I am expected to respectfully abide by community standards as to the presentation and content of this page, and that if I do not like these guidelines, I am welcome either to engage in reasonable discussion about it, to publish my material elsewhere, or to leave the project.
This is an archive of User talk:Lar from about 1 October 2007 through about 1 November 2007. Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is part of a series of archives, see the box at right for the list and to navigate to others. An index to all my talk page archives, automatically maintained by User:HBC Archive Indexerbot can be found at User:Lar/TalkArchiveIndex. |
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Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. -- O bot ( t • c) 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! It's about a IP you blocked a while ago... 80.67.172.44 is a undocumented TOR exit node... Thanks! -- Giggity Giggity GOO! 02:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Refactored to User_talk:Parsecboy#Christopher_Columbus_(whaleback) per my policy) ++ Lar: t/ c 21:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits! To your points:
I think much improvement has been had. I suggest we refactor this thread to the article talk page though so others can comment. I'll do that tomorrow unless you object. ++ Lar: t/ c 03:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the review and the feedback. I'll see what I can do to address your concerns. — RJH ( talk) 15:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on HarveyCarter and his SPs. He created a new one this AM, CarlRaymond ( talk · contribs).
How do we find out which of the "innocent" editors is really HC? Thanks again. IP4240207xx 17:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
PRETTY PLEASE
IP4240207xx
I think I might have a new one: JohnSalway ( talk · contribs) Do you want to check it, or do you want me to put it on Checkuser/IP? Thanks. IP4240207xx 20:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I apologise for taking your time as you are a very busy user but I thought that soon as you probably have alot of items on your watchlist, I just thought Id let you know that I asked for your opinion related to the username policy at User talk:Tbo 157/Admin coaching#Can we go through username policy?. Once again I apologise for taking your time. Thanks. Tbo 157 (talk) (review) 16:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have added some comments. Could you please have a read. [2] Thanks ExtraDry 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. -- MZMcBride 04:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I was just curious as to why you removed comments by the user Agentareas from the talk page Talk:The Glass Teat. I was under the impression that talk page comments shouldn't be reverted. Thanks Sbacle 13:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
You say articles by the account allegedly being used by Amorrow (although there is no meaningful evidence for this allegation) have been speedy deleted. Can you send me these articles by e-mail and allow me to recreate them myself if I deem them to be accurate and appropriate? It is utterly irrational to allow wikipolitics to take priority over the construction of the encyclopedia. Everyking 04:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
This is not the place to debate the Wikipedia policy in this matter, which is absolutely unequivocally crystal clear. All edits by banned user Amorrow or his socks are to be reverted on sight regardless of their merit. I implemented that policy in certain recent cases, as did other admins. If you wish to debate that policy, please do so elsewhere, it's not a debatable point with me.
Reverted revisions are still in the article history, so if any editor chooses to reapply them in his or her own name, that's fine. (see above for an example of that, in fact)
As for entire deleted articles, I have applied my considered judgement as to which of the articles deleted in their entireity have the potential to be useful. There is one, Deborah_Mayer. I have offered, per my own policy about deleted articles, to userify that one article to a subpage (not email, that is how I choose to implement my offer, but userify) of a user in good standing who asks. (So far no user in good standing (under my own personal criteria, which are not subject to debate, I will apply them as I see fit) has so asked. I am not the only admin here, so if anyone should disagree with my approach, they should feel free to (referencing this discussion in their request in the interests of transparency, please) ask some other admin for the material. I hope that clarifies this and that we are done. ++ Lar: t/ c 17:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Amorrow has a history of using articles about living women as part of his harassment campaigns of those women. While I don't think you are in league with him, I also don't trust you (based on my observations at some remove of your past actions here, and your comments on WR and elsewhere) to properly rewrite that article in one go to make it useless to him for that purpose before recreating it so it might well have to be deleted again, or revisions of it deleted. Taking it through AfD again plays right into his hands, in my view. So I decline. Convince some other admin. As for who did what, you are free to examine the logs. ++ Lar: t/ c 13:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I've expressed my opinion on this matter on Everyking's talk page. — Ilmari Karonen ( talk) 06:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
You asked me to list ways that you were "acting to the detriment of this encyclopedia". Don't be upset that I then did so. This matter is closed. Please go find someone else to interact with, as I'm tired of this entire thread, and tired of the amount of time you waste. I've seen this tendentiousness of yours before, and it's definitely a detriment to the encyclopedia. I highly doubt I'll be changing my mind about giving you the text, or about my evaluation of your approach. Please go find something else to do. ++ Lar: t/ c 13:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
moved to User_talk:Backsigns#Unhelpful_edit per my policy ++ Lar: t/ c 12:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Lar. Remember how an anonimous IP from Toronto was the "person" that reported me as probably being involved in sockpuppetry? Well, remember that I wanted a public check user because I knew who that person was and I knew he was going to use that against my good-faith editions?
Well, you told me to come and ask for your help if that happened so here I am [3]. The ONLY person using the check user as an "argument" against me is Corticopia. He's from Toronto and I'm 100% sure he is the person that "reported" me.
Also, please advice me what to do respecting all the evidence I have against Corticopia and his multiple past accounts/violations. All the info is on my talk page. Please tell me what should I do in order to report his behaviour. He has recently continued with his uncivility and the use of profanity, among other violations. Alex C. ( Talk? ) 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Lar. RECENTCHANGES showed you as an administrator who was online, as it were.
There's a bit of a rumpus at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Iceland-related articles), of all the unlikely places. At least one block for 3RR is in order, but I shouldn't do it as I'm an involved party, and frankly I can't stomach the formalities needed for an official report. -- Hoary 05:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The policy specifically says that "reversion of user talk pages can be left to the individual page owner". So leave my talk page alone, please. Everyking 05:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, ok. I didn't realize the person was a banned sockpuppet. I thought you just didn't like what s/he said. :) Aleta 15:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Lar, I was wondering...how do I get a username that is registered on Commons and yet has made 0 edits? nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 05:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Lol, I am a commons noob. Many thanks Lar -- Samir 00:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lar,
I am an admin and I saw the block of Everyking on ANI. I have no interest in getting involved in the Everyking/Amorrow discussion (in general, I think Kirill's block of Everyking is justified) but, after reading your interaction with Everyking, I was curious about the Deborah Mayer article and upon reading the last revision of it, I think it is encyclopedic and worth restoring.
However, I have no wish to do so in a way that might be considered disruptive or unhelpful. How would you suggest going about this?
-- Richard 06:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lar, thanks v much for you info at SS City of Everett! I've never done anything with images before, but I've been wanting to learn how it's done, so I'll take a look at the images you suggested. I'll assume for now that the help pages at Commons will explain the necessary process, but now you'll bear the brunt if I need clarification. :D (Although you did lose me on the hull numbering thing, since I'm not really a ship fan, I'm sure other editors will dig it.)
BTW, your User page would be ever-so-slightly improved if you linked the OTRS acronym to the Meta page; I hadn't heard of it before, and had to follow a link backwards from your link to find out what the heck it is.
Having done that, also BTW, I am a bit humbled that such an important editor (a checkuser no less!) would help out on the teensy little Everett article. Thanks again! Cheers, m8 :D Eaglizard 20:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. -- O bot ( t • c) 23:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lar. Sorry to keep dropping by like this but since I haven't heard much feedback on how I am doing overall in my admin coaching, could you possibly do this at User talk:Tbo 157/Admin coaching#How am I doing?, when you have a bit of time. This would be greatly appreciated as it would allow me to see and improve on my weak areas. I have also asked User:John if he could do the same so that I can get an opinion from 2 users. Thanks. Tbo 157 (talk) (review) 13:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed this. That is easily one of the most appreciated compliments I have ever had on this project. Thank you. I learned a lot from your oppose way back then (it is fascinating, instructive, and sometimes deeply uncomfortable to see yourself as others see you, as my national bard once observed), and if I have done anything right since 30 August 2006 (and I believe I have too), I give you a lot of credit for giving me such powerful advice. Obviously at the time I would have preferred it to be attached to a Support !vote, but hey, I passed anyway. You know what? I have never regretted that, and I am still as proud as I was then to "serve in this capacity". Take care, -- John 23:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
...
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An’ foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
An’ ev’n devotion!
From " To a Louse" by Robert Burns.
Text of whole poem here
Sorry, Lar, but we haven't spoken much recently - and it is possible we may not again. There was nothing personal, and it certainly wasn't directed at you (I speak with Jimbo even more infrequently), but there are principles involved. Mine. I know you know how much I am willing to cut my nose to spite my face, and I'm actually peeved that a better venue immediately offered itself after I hit "Save Page", but somebody needs to make a stand for all those who sweat to uphold the letter of the law and to request account from those who treat it as a negotiable concept - and I may as well be one of them... As I said at the start, and I mean it, sorry. LessHeard vanU 23:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Help! I've moved hooks to the next update page. Need admin help to move to the main page. Thanks. Archtransit 15:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Resolved! The next update page was empty. So I filled it. Finally, an admin moved that to the main page. Archtransit 16:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Lar, I know I'm displaying my ignorance, but I want to ask you about the dabs you added to SS City of Everett: given that the article title starts with the SS, I would have thought dabs were unnecessary. How likely is a reader to find this page accidentally? I mean, I thought that was the point of having the SS?
Btw, thanks for clarifying that bit about the salvage rights; I knew my ignorance of shipping matters was causing me to misunderstand, I guess, I was hoping another editor would see what I was trying to do. (This is a process I use, similar to BRD, you might call it Ignorantly Edit and Wait lol.) You did, indeed manage to correct it and get across the point I was stabbing at. Groovy. :) Eaglizard 20:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I just noticed City of Everett is a redirect to Museum of Flight; surely that can't be right. Although the aircraft of that name is housed in that museum, doesn't it seem unlikely a reader would be looking for that when searching for "city of everett"? Shouldn't it redirect to Everett, Washington? This is all a bit murky to me, can you tell? What I really wanted to do was to create a page for the bird, too, but I'm biased by my desire to rack up a few more new articles of my own creation. <eg> I don't see how that could ever be more than a stub... If you've a moment to make a suggestion, I'd appreciate that. :) Eaglizard 20:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
DYK next update is RED! Thanks. Mrs.EasterBunny 23:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
--++ Lar: t/ c 02:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)