Hello. Would you kindly take a look at Nalanda Buddhist Institute, Bhutan. This article is tagged as part of Project Schools on the talk page ~ but most of the sections lack any citations and three of the photos used in the article have a © (copyright) character in the caption below them. There are also a couple of © or (c) marks in the article itself. Thank-you. Chris Fynn ( talk) 13:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Streetfog is on the grandfathered list (#41) however they were asked, by you [1], me and others, to cease reviewing because of the massive number of poor reviews they did. You may remember the account by its original name WebCite. I would suggest they be removed to prevent them inadvertently being granted the new page reviewer right before they have demonstrated a much better understanding of the process than they have exhibited in the past. Jbh Talk 14:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for looking at my request for rollback, you mentioned the CVU and I have been watching the trainers on the academy page for a while now and all the ones that fit my time zone have no slots for students, I would like to ask how long does it take for other students to finish on there, and if there is any way I can sort of reserve a spot for when a slot opens up? -glove- ( talk) 01:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello. I do a load of translation work online resulting in repetitive strain injury/carpal tunnel syndrome, with the end result that my contribs here have been reduced in recent months and I'm not quite as up to date with Wiki changes as I usually am. For way over 7 years at least I've been working away in the WP:NPP area with no problems. You (quite rightly) pulled me up on one or two things about 8-9 years back and I learnt from that and to the best of my knowledge there has been nothing since then and I feel very confident in doing that. It seems that there are changes in this area and I need to reapply somewhere. I am close on as veteran as it gets. 11 years here, 40k edits here and 1k+ to other language projects, 400+ articles created including 25 dyks and 3 gas. Yet, I'm still a bit unclear where to go. If someone with my experience here is unclear, I dread to think how it is for the ordinary Joe Bloggs. So we very clearly have a communication issue. We badly need clued up people to do NPP. But on my watchlist I have an invitation for applying for Tilostapaja (huh?) but nothing about such a major change which affects me and numerous other users who have been doing considerable groundwork behind the scenes to keep this ship afloat. Bluntly, this is pretty disrespectful. I'm bringing this to your attention as an admin I've always respected. Sure, I can ask for this right, but that isn't the point. We should be told about such major changes as this. (I know that there were advsiories at the time for the debate but I'm not seeing anything since.) Valenciano ( talk) 01:39, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello! Since you told me to stop using maintenance tags for now, would you please add an unreferenced tag to Beluck. Thanks, Adotchar| reply here 09:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
pasted {{Service award progress}} and got what i have on my page so i don't know if that counts as false info? If I am in Order, Please redact the talk. -- Shadychiri ( talk) 12:57, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I have removed it sir-- Shadychiri ( talk) 04:30, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
It seems the message still isn't getting through: the template was boldly changed again to read "no reliable references". Was I right to revert it? Or am I missing something? Thanks. Adam9007 ( talk) 16:59, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung.
I have been granting people on Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List4 the New page reviewer right. But now checking on Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 accorded you already declined to do this for some users. This includes Faizhaider, Clubjustin, Catmando999, Adem20 and Adog104. What do you think? Should we remove this bit for those users that you marked tmi? Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 23:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
( edit conflict)::: Graeme Bartlett, it depends how thoroughly you vetted each user on that list. If you look at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 you'll see that I converted the list to have a done column and if you look at the history you'll notice that it took me several hours to vet the ones I got through before I was rudely driven off the project. If you simply went through the list and clicked 'accord' on all of them (which wouldn't have been your fault), then there will certainly have been some damage done that will continue to create more work for me and DGG for months to come. If that's the case, I do suggest restoring the list, vetting the users' patrols, talk page comments, and block logs, and noting the ones who need to be monitored. See also below. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Keeping in mind this ANI thread and the AfC issues, you may want to keep an eye on the patrolling done by that particular new page reviewer. He was grandfathered in, with you granting him the right, but I somewhat doubt that's a good idea. ~ Rob13 Talk 02:40, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
I was removed from page patrollers because of an old ANI, i was grandfathered in because i made good patrols and met requirements of grandfathering guidelines on that user right... I don't see the point of removing a right that've not used in error (in bad faith). -- Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ ( talk) 16:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, just wanted to know what are the issues you see that made you to tag me with nd-tmi on Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 accorded. Not that I'm very much interested in getting those rights but surely want to know the reasons for getting de-listed. Thanks.-- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 04:59, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for disturbing! Recently,in an article, a particular editor made about 20 successive edits,deleting various pieces of info and then re-adding the same in the next few edits.A diff. revision was checked by me between his last edit and the last edit on the article before he commenced his short burst of editing reveals not a single change. Now, maybe it could be good faith edits but I am inclined to think it is a ploy to gain mainspace edit counts and other associated rights.Do the WIKIPEDIA policies state anything on the issue? Thanks! Aru@baska ❯❯❯ Vanguard 08:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
I happened to pounce upon Ismail Hossain and nominated the article for AsD.I subsequently cancelled the nomination(I have been told to be on a restraint!).(But anyway the article obviously does not seem to pass notability criterion and the news articles give only passing trivial mentions.) Sorry for my mistake! Aru@baska ❯❯❯ Vanguard 11:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. I just applied for New page reviewer permission at PERM as the blue "mark this page as patrolled" has now disappeared . Since I am already an autopatrolled, extended confirmed user, file mover, and pending changes reviewer, I had mistakenly thought thought it would be automatically granted to such users, but I guess not. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 11:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, closure is too early, please reopen. Summation is incorrect.
-- Asterixf2 ( talk) 12:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
What is left to do, that you need help with (if you do)? Within reason, I will assist if I can if you want. This is important work.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 14:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hello there, Kudpung! First of all, I wish to thank you for your diligence regarding NPP and all the work you've done, expecially concluding with the recent "overhaul". I had two questions for you: 1) does the noindex work for autopatrolled pages too, or are these pages exempt? 2) Would I have to request the new user right if I use Huggle? I don't patrol as often as I used to per se, but I am involved in some way or another with newly created pages on a regular basis, be it through reviewing edits, drafts or just gnoming. Thank you for your time. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 21:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
I screwed something up and do not posses sufficient rights to fix it. I wanted to page move an over disambiguated title to a simpler one without disambiguation, as none was needed. Well, somehow my edit summary ended up in the title. Olentangy Orange High School sufficiently disambiguated in title was the result. Unfortunately, the target page is occupied by a redirect to the former title. Can you possibly sort this mess when you have time? Thanks. John from Idegon ( talk) 07:52, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
There are a number of requests accumulating at the bottom of the page (including mine, hence I noticed) that aren't displaying because there's a comment marker in the source. I would remove it, except I believe that will break the signature substitution for the several users pending before me. Not sure if I should be poking around and doing the subst replacement manually on an administrative page such as this, so I thought I would give you a heads-up instead, as I saw you had noted the formatting issues a few submissions ago. Happy to try and fix the rest of the breakage if you agree that's the right thing to do. --DGaw ( talk) 15:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)i
Why my page has been removed from wiki... I am a Independent Musician.. People want to know me Rishirajmusic ( talk) 17:06, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Per [4]: I think it's good to encourage use of the Page Curation tool, but even if it were pristince and all issues have been addressed, we shouldn't be answering requests assuming they're going to use it. That user clearly prefers Twinkle or manual reviewing ( [5]), which is fine. For the record, I don't know the answer to your question either... I can think of many reasons to use it, but not the "definitive" two main reasons? — MusikAnimal talk 20:01, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
SWhat do you mean? Xx236 ( talk) 13:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi! Saw you closed this as a redirect. Can you point me to the discussion/policy? If that's the case, when I come upon these in G13, I'll simply redirect in the future. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 15:25, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ~ Rob13 Talk 19:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. Could you give me an overview of your process when reviewing new page reviewer permissions requests? I've been largely leaving you (and a few others) to do your own thing, because you probably have a better idea of exactly what you're looking for than I do. I know the necessary qualities, of course, but this is one of the more difficult rights to assess the granting criteria. Still, there's been such a flood of requests that I should be pitching in. For the few I've reviewed, I've looked at their existing patrol log, their CSD logs, and any AfC contributions that jump out, but it's not necessarily easy to find those among the other contributions (there must be a tool for that, right?). If I were to start reviewing requests more regularly, what would you prefer me to add to or change with that process? Thanks for your input. ~ Rob13 Talk 06:22, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung: Just a note that despite the recent block you performed, Light2021 ( talk · contribs) is continuing to solicit users on their talk page to investigate articles for deletion, on both 11 November 2016 ( diff) and now 19 November 2016 ( diff). This comes across as contradicting the block that you performed per the discussion here. So, letting you know about this. North Ame/info/en/?search=User_talk:Light2021rica 1000 09:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Over at my talk, you asked, "The question remains: Were the reforms at all worthwhile?" My answer is yes. I do think that putting the threshold at 70% helped address the "supermajority" problem (though perhaps 2/3 would be even better -- though 67% is not a real significant change from 70...) and I think the increased visibility that occurs by putting up the watchlist notice gets more "ordinary" editors involved -- in theory the increase is drawing more than just those who haunt the drama boards. I also think limiting the number of questions any single editor could ask was also worthwhile (I didn't mind answering legitimate questions, even if there were a bunch. I did mind the the people trying to play "gotcha"). To me, I think that the next two reforms would possibly be a word limit on !votes and any discussion of anyone's vote moved immediately to the talk page (perhaps with a link that says, "further discussion here" when needed). Perhaps also establishing a rule on who can move discussions to talk or strike votes /discussions, and so on (i.e. anyone who has !voted on either side probably should not also be policing the RfA -- which is something I found to be a problem) Perhaps one other change could be to state that anyone who alters their comments must use strikeout to show what they previously stated (I had one !voter at my RfA who changed their comments repeatedly to update them to be in line with others... which was problematic), unless they wish to strike their !vote and/or comments altogether, in which case they can do so, perhaps leaving a diff. JMO. Montanabw (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I saw that the page was tagged for deletion, with which I concurred. If I marked it as approved that was an error. However, does that mean that a page that is tagged for speedy deletion needs to stay unreviewed? In that case, what is to keep all of the future reviewers from having to view the page and also leave it unreviewed? What, short of actual deletion, gets the page out of unreviewed status? Maybe there is something that I don't understand. Robert McClenon ( talk) 06:24, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
I think best practice should be that deletion tagged articles still have maint tagging done ([BLP]PROD and AfD) and be watchlisted by the reviewer until the deletion is resolved. CSD articles get tagged if kept (since there is no point in tagging up a CSDed article). The NPP tool should not be automatically marking pages reviewed when they are tagged for maintinance or deletion. Only a reviewer purposely clicking 'reviewed' should do that because it is possible to tag without finishing a review and once an article is marked reviewed Google slurps it up. I thought WMF Devel was fixing that but evidently it has not yet done so.
From the conversation going on at ANI I don't know if the reforms will actually get implemented. The things which seemed to me to be non-controversially bound up in the new user right (restricting the new page feeds and NPP tool, removing the NPP cats/userboxes, changing the NPP project into the NPR project etc) are being blocked by a couple people for reasons I do not comprehend beyond that they just do not like. I mean what did people at the RfC think they were !voting on, a new right that does nothing? Without those at a minimum the whole thing is pretty toothless. (Funny how the people who bitch about bad deletion tagging and biting newcomers kick up a shitstorm for the most pedantic reasons when faced with a way to address those issues. Much respect to Kudpung for getting this as far as he has.)
So, in short. If the deletion templates are now able to use {{ NOINDEX}} and the article has been otherwise properly reviewed I do not see a reason it should not be marked reviewed to get it out of the queue but it is always a good idea to keep it on your watchlist until the deletion is resolved. Jbh Talk 17:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
It is of course true that the new user right does not prevent wrongful deletion tagging or biting new users. Actually, of course, we have two changes. The first is a user right. The second is correct implementation of NOINDEX. The latter minimizes misuse by paid editors. What the user right does is to minimize clueless patrolling by inexperienced editors with more enthusiasm than knowledge or wisdom. I will comment on a peripheral matter, and that is the biting of new editors, but also about the concern about the biting of new editors. I think that do not bite the newbies is an excellent concept, but one that, because it has achieved a sort of status of ancient truth (like a Scripture, but actual adherents of any religion know that a Scripture, of any religion, requires wise interpretation), may do more harm than good. The good that it does is that it encourages experienced editors to be welcoming to new editors, in spite of the complexities of Wikipedia that new editors need patience in learning and working with. The harm that it does comes in two varieties. First, when it is quoted by new editors back to experienced editors, it has become a cudgel that can be used by new combative editors. The rule was never meant to be quoted by new editors. It was always meant to be quoted by experienced editors to other experienced editors to remind them to be patient. Sometimes new editors who are being (often gently) cautioned by experienced editors about personalizing conflicts or about civility will use the rule to rebuke the more experienced editor, claiming that they are being bitten. My own contention is that by the time an editor can quote the rule, they are no longer a new editor entitled to special handling. The second type of harm is that some experienced editors take the rule not to bite the newcomers so seriously that they are slow to deal with problematic new editors, especially with those who have conflict of interest. Unfortunately, a few new editors need to be bitten. While the rule against biting them is a good idea in principle, it has become so central that it allows problematic new editors to be handled too gently too long.
What the new user right should do is to minimize wrongful deletion tagging, or, on the other hand, quick approval of crud. It won't do anything about newbies who wear out their welcome quickly. That is my thought for now. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
It is hard to be supportive while enforcing rules and norms. I think am pretty conscious of this need and I still find myself at times being too terse/direct on one end and having bad faith or ineduicatable editors take me on a ride on the other.
One of the benifit I see in corralling those who regularly deal with new pages into a group is the opertunity for training, or more properly, establishing a central place for giving advice and best practices. For instance in the case of biting if there is a 'best practice' that says for instance: "First give a gentle rebuke and explain why the action is not proper and invite them to ask questions or direct them to some place for help. If that does not work repeat the rebuke and engage them by asking questions such as if there is something they do not understand or what they are trying to accomplish. If after this the editor is still acting in a problematic manner it is necessary to escalate to..." Having such provides several benefits: One, it is something that patrollers/reviewers should have all read so they have an idea of what is expected of them; Two, it establishes a behavioral baseline that they can be judged against; Three, common expectation plus consistent feedback leads to a better and moderately more uniform experience for users.
New editors often have no idea that Wikipedia has content guidelines and in my, very strong, opinion those who take up the task of interacting with those new users must have, at a minimum, a firm grasp on those guidelines. It also is best that none of them be pedantic nitwits but I know better than to ask the impossible Jbh Talk 17:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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(That template could really be improved) or edit some of my boilerplate text and leave a note. If it is a one edit wonder I usually assume it is an undisclosed paid editor so they are lower down on my engagement scale as are obvious adverts. I do try to remember to at least leave an appropriate welcome template though. I tend to rely on canned templates (from Wikipedia or my clips) for my initial interactions. It is not best practice but the volume of articles keeps initial personal action impractical and it keeps the vagaries of my mood minimized. Most good faith editors will ask questions, either from the welcome or in response to the tagging. This is where I think most damaging newbie biting can occur. These are the new editors who are genuinely interested in learning to write an article (some may be spammers trying tho social engineer their article into Wikipedia but they usually easy to spot) and they need a bit of care to explain sourcing and how wiki-notibility is different from being a notable person/company/whatever. For initial explanations, again, I have a clipboard of different snippets which I can edit together to give a plain English (no WP:BlahBlah unless it is to introduced the term) explanation since the same issues and questions repeatedly come up. Also, if they are writing 'clueless crap' about something other themself or some company/product (most people who start out with COI are not going to become general editors) it is good to point them to similar articles that they may enjoy working on. These editors who engage with you are the ones who are most likely to become general editors and it is important not to be short or bite them. Take the time, or at least the text, to explain the basics without jargon and point them to the TEAHOUSE or some other resource where they can get longer term support/help.
Truth be told I do not think that Wikipedia gets many of its new general editors from people who start out by writing new articles. At least not those that start with BLPs or companies/products. I would guess that editors who stay make 50+ edits before creating a new article, certianly it is something I would like to see stats on. Jbh Talk 01:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Admin the admin right user: Mdann52 recommend for deleting my newly created page /info/en/?search=Subashini That is a genuine article with references. Kindly allow me to create the article about. Dr. Subashini
thank you thiagu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thiagupillai ( talk • contribs) 10:42, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kudpung,
you just left me a message that I do not provide accurate sources. Can you send me the link where this was the case and I will add the source?
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friesehamburg ( talk • contribs) 12:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Admin, thanks for quick reply. Is there any way to create a page about her. she did commendable work in the field of Tamil Heritage. [ sorry to trouble you ]- Thanks, Thiagu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thiagupillai ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
It may well be that I don't need to tell you, because you are watching the article, but just in case I thought I would mention that your PROD at Radhika Chandiramani has been contested by the creator of the article. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 11:35, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, is it possible you could send me a copy of this deleted article? It bit the dust 7 years ago, even though the place has reasonable claims to fame (largest cabaret club in the UK/venue for World darts championships.) Like most venues which closed in the pre-internet era, online sources are sparse, but I found this and this which could reasonably serve as the basis for a shortish article and I'm wondering in particular if the first of those sources was in the article at the time. Thanks in advance. Valenciano ( talk) 12:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. You are invited to comment at a further discussion on the implementation of this user right to patrol and review new pages that is taking place at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/RfC on patrolling without user right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 20:21, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Can you semi-protect the page? 115.164.186.149 ( talk) 03:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Bravo! No backlog :) Also, I still have not dismissed your ping notification about #Page That You Unreviewed. I will get to it when I can... that's a long thread! Hopefully Kaldari cleared up any confusion. I actually did not take part in the implementation of NOINDEX, etc. Sorry I am not of more help, it's busy times and the holidays here in the US. Best — MusikAnimal talk 05:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
If each reviewer does only 10 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
Let's get that over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Hi Kudpung,
may you please publish the data behind this chart? Is older data available?-- Recent contributor ( talk) 10:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kudpung,
I just would like to inform you that we did several changes on the website you claimed as not relevant ( /info/en/?search=Tsinghua-MIT_Global_MBA). We added the required sources to prove that the program is well-known. Even though many people in the Western world might not know about the program, in China it is one of the most famous business programs with a lot of public awareness. Since several editors are not native-english speakers, I will retain a native speaker to review the writings in the next days.
Whenever you have questions or comments, please let me know before you report the site. Thank you very much!
Best regards, friesehamburg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friesehamburg ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, In Singapore we have a thriving list of games companies, and currently the only places that bring these together are strange lists of outdated companies on old forums.
Some of the companies included have shipped large games, but for whatever reason don't have eikipedia pages of their own. Nonstop were purchased by activision/king for 38 million dollars, and had one game released before being shuttered. Booster pack were invested in for millions of dollars. Springloaded have more than 6 million players in their games, were the first developer in Singapore to make a 3DS game Gattai won various international competitions for their games. Lambda Mu made Pixel people which is another huge title globally. ratloop mada a game for console that has more that a million sales (they have a wikipedia pages, so I dont know why that didnt link)
I could continue listing their successes.
This is a valuable resource for anyone looking to get a job in the industry in singapore, all the active companies listed still offer paid employment and are working hard to release new products. I would love this page to exist here, otherwise I have to post it on another forum somewhere and wait for it to rot!
I fear that if I make pages for each of the companies, they too will be deemed irrelevant.
So shall I remove the red companies and move them to a paragraph describing the companies in Singapore? Which seems weird. Or make pages for the companies, if the later, how can I ensure that the pages are not deleted?
Will adding citations to all the listed companies (links to their websites etc) help?
Thanks! James (SpringloadedDev) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpringloadedDev ( talk • contribs) 08:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Quick question since I've noticed you comment on this before. I thought adding tags via page curation was not supposed to mark articles as reviewed anymore because of the NO INDEX feature. I added an unreferenced tag to Trinidadian local elections, 2016 and used the tool to leave a note on the creators talk page and offering to help clean it up if they could find sources. It appears that also marked the article as reviewed, which I had not intended to do since it still needs cleanup in my mind. Any thoughts? TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:08, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung/Archive Nov 2016 I was trying to check my logs and to my surprise I see that I am supposed to have "patrolled" articles, some of which I created. I don’t even know what patrol means — all I know is that there is some kind of a connection between wp:npp, patrols, and reviews. Why are patrols being attributed to me so often? Is it something I am doing unwittingly, a wiki-software bug, or something more sinister? I would appreciate a response on my talkpage, thanks in advance, Ottawahitech ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
Hello. Would you kindly take a look at Nalanda Buddhist Institute, Bhutan. This article is tagged as part of Project Schools on the talk page ~ but most of the sections lack any citations and three of the photos used in the article have a © (copyright) character in the caption below them. There are also a couple of © or (c) marks in the article itself. Thank-you. Chris Fynn ( talk) 13:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Streetfog is on the grandfathered list (#41) however they were asked, by you [1], me and others, to cease reviewing because of the massive number of poor reviews they did. You may remember the account by its original name WebCite. I would suggest they be removed to prevent them inadvertently being granted the new page reviewer right before they have demonstrated a much better understanding of the process than they have exhibited in the past. Jbh Talk 14:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for looking at my request for rollback, you mentioned the CVU and I have been watching the trainers on the academy page for a while now and all the ones that fit my time zone have no slots for students, I would like to ask how long does it take for other students to finish on there, and if there is any way I can sort of reserve a spot for when a slot opens up? -glove- ( talk) 01:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello. I do a load of translation work online resulting in repetitive strain injury/carpal tunnel syndrome, with the end result that my contribs here have been reduced in recent months and I'm not quite as up to date with Wiki changes as I usually am. For way over 7 years at least I've been working away in the WP:NPP area with no problems. You (quite rightly) pulled me up on one or two things about 8-9 years back and I learnt from that and to the best of my knowledge there has been nothing since then and I feel very confident in doing that. It seems that there are changes in this area and I need to reapply somewhere. I am close on as veteran as it gets. 11 years here, 40k edits here and 1k+ to other language projects, 400+ articles created including 25 dyks and 3 gas. Yet, I'm still a bit unclear where to go. If someone with my experience here is unclear, I dread to think how it is for the ordinary Joe Bloggs. So we very clearly have a communication issue. We badly need clued up people to do NPP. But on my watchlist I have an invitation for applying for Tilostapaja (huh?) but nothing about such a major change which affects me and numerous other users who have been doing considerable groundwork behind the scenes to keep this ship afloat. Bluntly, this is pretty disrespectful. I'm bringing this to your attention as an admin I've always respected. Sure, I can ask for this right, but that isn't the point. We should be told about such major changes as this. (I know that there were advsiories at the time for the debate but I'm not seeing anything since.) Valenciano ( talk) 01:39, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello! Since you told me to stop using maintenance tags for now, would you please add an unreferenced tag to Beluck. Thanks, Adotchar| reply here 09:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
pasted {{Service award progress}} and got what i have on my page so i don't know if that counts as false info? If I am in Order, Please redact the talk. -- Shadychiri ( talk) 12:57, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I have removed it sir-- Shadychiri ( talk) 04:30, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
It seems the message still isn't getting through: the template was boldly changed again to read "no reliable references". Was I right to revert it? Or am I missing something? Thanks. Adam9007 ( talk) 16:59, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung.
I have been granting people on Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List4 the New page reviewer right. But now checking on Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 accorded you already declined to do this for some users. This includes Faizhaider, Clubjustin, Catmando999, Adem20 and Adog104. What do you think? Should we remove this bit for those users that you marked tmi? Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 23:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
( edit conflict)::: Graeme Bartlett, it depends how thoroughly you vetted each user on that list. If you look at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 you'll see that I converted the list to have a done column and if you look at the history you'll notice that it took me several hours to vet the ones I got through before I was rudely driven off the project. If you simply went through the list and clicked 'accord' on all of them (which wouldn't have been your fault), then there will certainly have been some damage done that will continue to create more work for me and DGG for months to come. If that's the case, I do suggest restoring the list, vetting the users' patrols, talk page comments, and block logs, and noting the ones who need to be monitored. See also below. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Keeping in mind this ANI thread and the AfC issues, you may want to keep an eye on the patrolling done by that particular new page reviewer. He was grandfathered in, with you granting him the right, but I somewhat doubt that's a good idea. ~ Rob13 Talk 02:40, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
I was removed from page patrollers because of an old ANI, i was grandfathered in because i made good patrols and met requirements of grandfathering guidelines on that user right... I don't see the point of removing a right that've not used in error (in bad faith). -- Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ ( talk) 16:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, just wanted to know what are the issues you see that made you to tag me with nd-tmi on Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 accorded. Not that I'm very much interested in getting those rights but surely want to know the reasons for getting de-listed. Thanks.-- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 04:59, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for disturbing! Recently,in an article, a particular editor made about 20 successive edits,deleting various pieces of info and then re-adding the same in the next few edits.A diff. revision was checked by me between his last edit and the last edit on the article before he commenced his short burst of editing reveals not a single change. Now, maybe it could be good faith edits but I am inclined to think it is a ploy to gain mainspace edit counts and other associated rights.Do the WIKIPEDIA policies state anything on the issue? Thanks! Aru@baska ❯❯❯ Vanguard 08:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
I happened to pounce upon Ismail Hossain and nominated the article for AsD.I subsequently cancelled the nomination(I have been told to be on a restraint!).(But anyway the article obviously does not seem to pass notability criterion and the news articles give only passing trivial mentions.) Sorry for my mistake! Aru@baska ❯❯❯ Vanguard 11:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. I just applied for New page reviewer permission at PERM as the blue "mark this page as patrolled" has now disappeared . Since I am already an autopatrolled, extended confirmed user, file mover, and pending changes reviewer, I had mistakenly thought thought it would be automatically granted to such users, but I guess not. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 11:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, closure is too early, please reopen. Summation is incorrect.
-- Asterixf2 ( talk) 12:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
What is left to do, that you need help with (if you do)? Within reason, I will assist if I can if you want. This is important work.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 14:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hello there, Kudpung! First of all, I wish to thank you for your diligence regarding NPP and all the work you've done, expecially concluding with the recent "overhaul". I had two questions for you: 1) does the noindex work for autopatrolled pages too, or are these pages exempt? 2) Would I have to request the new user right if I use Huggle? I don't patrol as often as I used to per se, but I am involved in some way or another with newly created pages on a regular basis, be it through reviewing edits, drafts or just gnoming. Thank you for your time. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 21:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
I screwed something up and do not posses sufficient rights to fix it. I wanted to page move an over disambiguated title to a simpler one without disambiguation, as none was needed. Well, somehow my edit summary ended up in the title. Olentangy Orange High School sufficiently disambiguated in title was the result. Unfortunately, the target page is occupied by a redirect to the former title. Can you possibly sort this mess when you have time? Thanks. John from Idegon ( talk) 07:52, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
There are a number of requests accumulating at the bottom of the page (including mine, hence I noticed) that aren't displaying because there's a comment marker in the source. I would remove it, except I believe that will break the signature substitution for the several users pending before me. Not sure if I should be poking around and doing the subst replacement manually on an administrative page such as this, so I thought I would give you a heads-up instead, as I saw you had noted the formatting issues a few submissions ago. Happy to try and fix the rest of the breakage if you agree that's the right thing to do. --DGaw ( talk) 15:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)i
Why my page has been removed from wiki... I am a Independent Musician.. People want to know me Rishirajmusic ( talk) 17:06, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Per [4]: I think it's good to encourage use of the Page Curation tool, but even if it were pristince and all issues have been addressed, we shouldn't be answering requests assuming they're going to use it. That user clearly prefers Twinkle or manual reviewing ( [5]), which is fine. For the record, I don't know the answer to your question either... I can think of many reasons to use it, but not the "definitive" two main reasons? — MusikAnimal talk 20:01, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
SWhat do you mean? Xx236 ( talk) 13:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi! Saw you closed this as a redirect. Can you point me to the discussion/policy? If that's the case, when I come upon these in G13, I'll simply redirect in the future. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 15:25, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ~ Rob13 Talk 19:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. Could you give me an overview of your process when reviewing new page reviewer permissions requests? I've been largely leaving you (and a few others) to do your own thing, because you probably have a better idea of exactly what you're looking for than I do. I know the necessary qualities, of course, but this is one of the more difficult rights to assess the granting criteria. Still, there's been such a flood of requests that I should be pitching in. For the few I've reviewed, I've looked at their existing patrol log, their CSD logs, and any AfC contributions that jump out, but it's not necessarily easy to find those among the other contributions (there must be a tool for that, right?). If I were to start reviewing requests more regularly, what would you prefer me to add to or change with that process? Thanks for your input. ~ Rob13 Talk 06:22, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung: Just a note that despite the recent block you performed, Light2021 ( talk · contribs) is continuing to solicit users on their talk page to investigate articles for deletion, on both 11 November 2016 ( diff) and now 19 November 2016 ( diff). This comes across as contradicting the block that you performed per the discussion here. So, letting you know about this. North Ame/info/en/?search=User_talk:Light2021rica 1000 09:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Over at my talk, you asked, "The question remains: Were the reforms at all worthwhile?" My answer is yes. I do think that putting the threshold at 70% helped address the "supermajority" problem (though perhaps 2/3 would be even better -- though 67% is not a real significant change from 70...) and I think the increased visibility that occurs by putting up the watchlist notice gets more "ordinary" editors involved -- in theory the increase is drawing more than just those who haunt the drama boards. I also think limiting the number of questions any single editor could ask was also worthwhile (I didn't mind answering legitimate questions, even if there were a bunch. I did mind the the people trying to play "gotcha"). To me, I think that the next two reforms would possibly be a word limit on !votes and any discussion of anyone's vote moved immediately to the talk page (perhaps with a link that says, "further discussion here" when needed). Perhaps also establishing a rule on who can move discussions to talk or strike votes /discussions, and so on (i.e. anyone who has !voted on either side probably should not also be policing the RfA -- which is something I found to be a problem) Perhaps one other change could be to state that anyone who alters their comments must use strikeout to show what they previously stated (I had one !voter at my RfA who changed their comments repeatedly to update them to be in line with others... which was problematic), unless they wish to strike their !vote and/or comments altogether, in which case they can do so, perhaps leaving a diff. JMO. Montanabw (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I saw that the page was tagged for deletion, with which I concurred. If I marked it as approved that was an error. However, does that mean that a page that is tagged for speedy deletion needs to stay unreviewed? In that case, what is to keep all of the future reviewers from having to view the page and also leave it unreviewed? What, short of actual deletion, gets the page out of unreviewed status? Maybe there is something that I don't understand. Robert McClenon ( talk) 06:24, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
I think best practice should be that deletion tagged articles still have maint tagging done ([BLP]PROD and AfD) and be watchlisted by the reviewer until the deletion is resolved. CSD articles get tagged if kept (since there is no point in tagging up a CSDed article). The NPP tool should not be automatically marking pages reviewed when they are tagged for maintinance or deletion. Only a reviewer purposely clicking 'reviewed' should do that because it is possible to tag without finishing a review and once an article is marked reviewed Google slurps it up. I thought WMF Devel was fixing that but evidently it has not yet done so.
From the conversation going on at ANI I don't know if the reforms will actually get implemented. The things which seemed to me to be non-controversially bound up in the new user right (restricting the new page feeds and NPP tool, removing the NPP cats/userboxes, changing the NPP project into the NPR project etc) are being blocked by a couple people for reasons I do not comprehend beyond that they just do not like. I mean what did people at the RfC think they were !voting on, a new right that does nothing? Without those at a minimum the whole thing is pretty toothless. (Funny how the people who bitch about bad deletion tagging and biting newcomers kick up a shitstorm for the most pedantic reasons when faced with a way to address those issues. Much respect to Kudpung for getting this as far as he has.)
So, in short. If the deletion templates are now able to use {{ NOINDEX}} and the article has been otherwise properly reviewed I do not see a reason it should not be marked reviewed to get it out of the queue but it is always a good idea to keep it on your watchlist until the deletion is resolved. Jbh Talk 17:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
It is of course true that the new user right does not prevent wrongful deletion tagging or biting new users. Actually, of course, we have two changes. The first is a user right. The second is correct implementation of NOINDEX. The latter minimizes misuse by paid editors. What the user right does is to minimize clueless patrolling by inexperienced editors with more enthusiasm than knowledge or wisdom. I will comment on a peripheral matter, and that is the biting of new editors, but also about the concern about the biting of new editors. I think that do not bite the newbies is an excellent concept, but one that, because it has achieved a sort of status of ancient truth (like a Scripture, but actual adherents of any religion know that a Scripture, of any religion, requires wise interpretation), may do more harm than good. The good that it does is that it encourages experienced editors to be welcoming to new editors, in spite of the complexities of Wikipedia that new editors need patience in learning and working with. The harm that it does comes in two varieties. First, when it is quoted by new editors back to experienced editors, it has become a cudgel that can be used by new combative editors. The rule was never meant to be quoted by new editors. It was always meant to be quoted by experienced editors to other experienced editors to remind them to be patient. Sometimes new editors who are being (often gently) cautioned by experienced editors about personalizing conflicts or about civility will use the rule to rebuke the more experienced editor, claiming that they are being bitten. My own contention is that by the time an editor can quote the rule, they are no longer a new editor entitled to special handling. The second type of harm is that some experienced editors take the rule not to bite the newcomers so seriously that they are slow to deal with problematic new editors, especially with those who have conflict of interest. Unfortunately, a few new editors need to be bitten. While the rule against biting them is a good idea in principle, it has become so central that it allows problematic new editors to be handled too gently too long.
What the new user right should do is to minimize wrongful deletion tagging, or, on the other hand, quick approval of crud. It won't do anything about newbies who wear out their welcome quickly. That is my thought for now. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
It is hard to be supportive while enforcing rules and norms. I think am pretty conscious of this need and I still find myself at times being too terse/direct on one end and having bad faith or ineduicatable editors take me on a ride on the other.
One of the benifit I see in corralling those who regularly deal with new pages into a group is the opertunity for training, or more properly, establishing a central place for giving advice and best practices. For instance in the case of biting if there is a 'best practice' that says for instance: "First give a gentle rebuke and explain why the action is not proper and invite them to ask questions or direct them to some place for help. If that does not work repeat the rebuke and engage them by asking questions such as if there is something they do not understand or what they are trying to accomplish. If after this the editor is still acting in a problematic manner it is necessary to escalate to..." Having such provides several benefits: One, it is something that patrollers/reviewers should have all read so they have an idea of what is expected of them; Two, it establishes a behavioral baseline that they can be judged against; Three, common expectation plus consistent feedback leads to a better and moderately more uniform experience for users.
New editors often have no idea that Wikipedia has content guidelines and in my, very strong, opinion those who take up the task of interacting with those new users must have, at a minimum, a firm grasp on those guidelines. It also is best that none of them be pedantic nitwits but I know better than to ask the impossible Jbh Talk 17:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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(That template could really be improved) or edit some of my boilerplate text and leave a note. If it is a one edit wonder I usually assume it is an undisclosed paid editor so they are lower down on my engagement scale as are obvious adverts. I do try to remember to at least leave an appropriate welcome template though. I tend to rely on canned templates (from Wikipedia or my clips) for my initial interactions. It is not best practice but the volume of articles keeps initial personal action impractical and it keeps the vagaries of my mood minimized. Most good faith editors will ask questions, either from the welcome or in response to the tagging. This is where I think most damaging newbie biting can occur. These are the new editors who are genuinely interested in learning to write an article (some may be spammers trying tho social engineer their article into Wikipedia but they usually easy to spot) and they need a bit of care to explain sourcing and how wiki-notibility is different from being a notable person/company/whatever. For initial explanations, again, I have a clipboard of different snippets which I can edit together to give a plain English (no WP:BlahBlah unless it is to introduced the term) explanation since the same issues and questions repeatedly come up. Also, if they are writing 'clueless crap' about something other themself or some company/product (most people who start out with COI are not going to become general editors) it is good to point them to similar articles that they may enjoy working on. These editors who engage with you are the ones who are most likely to become general editors and it is important not to be short or bite them. Take the time, or at least the text, to explain the basics without jargon and point them to the TEAHOUSE or some other resource where they can get longer term support/help.
Truth be told I do not think that Wikipedia gets many of its new general editors from people who start out by writing new articles. At least not those that start with BLPs or companies/products. I would guess that editors who stay make 50+ edits before creating a new article, certianly it is something I would like to see stats on. Jbh Talk 01:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Admin the admin right user: Mdann52 recommend for deleting my newly created page /info/en/?search=Subashini That is a genuine article with references. Kindly allow me to create the article about. Dr. Subashini
thank you thiagu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thiagupillai ( talk • contribs) 10:42, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kudpung,
you just left me a message that I do not provide accurate sources. Can you send me the link where this was the case and I will add the source?
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friesehamburg ( talk • contribs) 12:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Admin, thanks for quick reply. Is there any way to create a page about her. she did commendable work in the field of Tamil Heritage. [ sorry to trouble you ]- Thanks, Thiagu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thiagupillai ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
It may well be that I don't need to tell you, because you are watching the article, but just in case I thought I would mention that your PROD at Radhika Chandiramani has been contested by the creator of the article. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 11:35, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, is it possible you could send me a copy of this deleted article? It bit the dust 7 years ago, even though the place has reasonable claims to fame (largest cabaret club in the UK/venue for World darts championships.) Like most venues which closed in the pre-internet era, online sources are sparse, but I found this and this which could reasonably serve as the basis for a shortish article and I'm wondering in particular if the first of those sources was in the article at the time. Thanks in advance. Valenciano ( talk) 12:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. You are invited to comment at a further discussion on the implementation of this user right to patrol and review new pages that is taking place at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/RfC on patrolling without user right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 20:21, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Can you semi-protect the page? 115.164.186.149 ( talk) 03:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Bravo! No backlog :) Also, I still have not dismissed your ping notification about #Page That You Unreviewed. I will get to it when I can... that's a long thread! Hopefully Kaldari cleared up any confusion. I actually did not take part in the implementation of NOINDEX, etc. Sorry I am not of more help, it's busy times and the holidays here in the US. Best — MusikAnimal talk 05:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
If each reviewer does only 10 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
Let's get that over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Hi Kudpung,
may you please publish the data behind this chart? Is older data available?-- Recent contributor ( talk) 10:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kudpung,
I just would like to inform you that we did several changes on the website you claimed as not relevant ( /info/en/?search=Tsinghua-MIT_Global_MBA). We added the required sources to prove that the program is well-known. Even though many people in the Western world might not know about the program, in China it is one of the most famous business programs with a lot of public awareness. Since several editors are not native-english speakers, I will retain a native speaker to review the writings in the next days.
Whenever you have questions or comments, please let me know before you report the site. Thank you very much!
Best regards, friesehamburg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friesehamburg ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, In Singapore we have a thriving list of games companies, and currently the only places that bring these together are strange lists of outdated companies on old forums.
Some of the companies included have shipped large games, but for whatever reason don't have eikipedia pages of their own. Nonstop were purchased by activision/king for 38 million dollars, and had one game released before being shuttered. Booster pack were invested in for millions of dollars. Springloaded have more than 6 million players in their games, were the first developer in Singapore to make a 3DS game Gattai won various international competitions for their games. Lambda Mu made Pixel people which is another huge title globally. ratloop mada a game for console that has more that a million sales (they have a wikipedia pages, so I dont know why that didnt link)
I could continue listing their successes.
This is a valuable resource for anyone looking to get a job in the industry in singapore, all the active companies listed still offer paid employment and are working hard to release new products. I would love this page to exist here, otherwise I have to post it on another forum somewhere and wait for it to rot!
I fear that if I make pages for each of the companies, they too will be deemed irrelevant.
So shall I remove the red companies and move them to a paragraph describing the companies in Singapore? Which seems weird. Or make pages for the companies, if the later, how can I ensure that the pages are not deleted?
Will adding citations to all the listed companies (links to their websites etc) help?
Thanks! James (SpringloadedDev) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpringloadedDev ( talk • contribs) 08:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Quick question since I've noticed you comment on this before. I thought adding tags via page curation was not supposed to mark articles as reviewed anymore because of the NO INDEX feature. I added an unreferenced tag to Trinidadian local elections, 2016 and used the tool to leave a note on the creators talk page and offering to help clean it up if they could find sources. It appears that also marked the article as reviewed, which I had not intended to do since it still needs cleanup in my mind. Any thoughts? TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:08, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung/Archive Nov 2016 I was trying to check my logs and to my surprise I see that I am supposed to have "patrolled" articles, some of which I created. I don’t even know what patrol means — all I know is that there is some kind of a connection between wp:npp, patrols, and reviews. Why are patrols being attributed to me so often? Is it something I am doing unwittingly, a wiki-software bug, or something more sinister? I would appreciate a response on my talkpage, thanks in advance, Ottawahitech ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me