Maybe I should have been clearer, but I was expecting each member of the group to contribute to every section. As it is, it looks like Laura did refs, Markelle did the outline, and Karlee made the to-do list. That's okay, because each section is good. You should all feel free to add to any of these sections. However, what you didn't do is have each member give a commitment to do specific tasks for the article. J.R. Council ( talk) 22:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Karlee - somehow you have given yourself the username, karlee.beavens/sandbox. This is not really your sandbox, it is your User talk page. I have asked one of the Wiki Ed editors to straighten this out. In the meantime, I will answer your group's questions here. J.R. Council ( talk) 06:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
1. There wasn’t much in the talk page about the paper. I think this Wikipedia could use a picture of him, and lots more information. Such as what his greatest accomplishments were. 2. “ Kurt Goldstein” ling.fju.edu.tw. retrieved 27 February 2015 “Kurt Goldstein and Holism” gestaltpsychotherapie.de retrieved 26 february 2015
3. Dr. Council can we add pictures? Can we talk about his major accomplishments? Markelle.axtman ( talk) 17:05, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
One thing this article needs is pictures or graphics.
2 sources I found that aren't in this article are:
Ludwig, David. Language and human nature: Kurt Goldstein's neurolinguistic foundation of a holistic philosophy. Journal of the History of Behavioral Science. Vol 48(1), 2012, pp. 40-54.
Eling, Paul. Neurognostics Answer. Journal of the History of the Neurosciences. Vol 21(1), 2012, pp. 119-125.
2 questions/ comments I have for the professor are:
How many sections do you think we should try to have in this article? Can the biography section be split up into smaller sections, like childhood, years, etc.?
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 01:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Problem or issue with article: There is no background information on Goldstein or his family. The little information that is there should be elaborated
Two references:
Pickren, W. E. (2003). Kurt Goldstein: Clinician and philosopher of human nature. In G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer, G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer (Eds.), Portraits of pioneers in psychology, Vol. V (pp. 127-140). Washington, DC, US; Mahwah, NJ, US: American Psychological Association
Goldstein, G. (1990). Contributions of Kurt Goldstein to neuropsychology. Clinical Neuropsychologist, 4(1), 3-17. doi: 10.1080/13854049008401492
Two Questions:
1. What would be an example of “too much” information about a person? Page lengthwise?
2. Do you have any suggestions on what to mention that would be important, from what you know about him?
Karlee.beavens ( talk) 18:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
1. Add Pictures (Himself, family, school attended, instruments used, documents) 2. Add major accomplishments and contributions to Psychology 3. Add more to his biography, specifically family life 4. Add what the Gestalt therapy and his involvement/influence? 5. Add more to the introduction-more about his neurology background 6. Talk about how he used brain injured soldiers and applied the Gestalt concepts 7. Add work with self-actualization 8. Add about influence of Maslow, and interaction with other Psychologists Karlee.beavens ( talk) 17:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlee.beavens ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Kurt Goldstein
Markelle.axtman ( talk) 17:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC) J.R. Council ( talk) 22:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Karlee.beavens ( talk) 00:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 20:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Laura, Markelle, and Karlee - this assignment is worth 25 points. It does require some effort, so you need to start working on it now. J.R. Council ( talk) 22:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Kurt Goldstein was mainly known for being a neurologist. He worked mainly with aphasia along the side of Carl Wernicke. Aphasia is a disorder that makes it hard to read, write, and speak. Goldstein attended the Frankfurt Neurological Institute, where he practiced comparitive neurology in the lab under Ludwig Edinger. In 1906 Kurt Goldstein started working in psychiatry and neurology, becoming acquainted with the Wurzburg school of experimental psychology. In 1930 Goldstein became the director of a neuropsychiatric clinic and a professor at the university in the department of Neurology and Psychiatry in Berlin. At the age of 56 Goldstein started a new career in New York at the New York Psychiatric Institute and the Montefiori Hospital. Markelle.axtman ( talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman
Kurt Goldstein was denounced to the Nazis by an assistant and charged with leftist sympathis and jewishness. He met his wife Eva Rothmann at the age of 56. Markelle.axtman ( talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman
Something interesting about Kurt Goldstein was that when he passed away he left over 200 publications, most in German and English and they spanned across six decades. some of his work included things like the relationship between circumscribed cortical injuries and sensory and motor defects, problems of perceptual disturbances and agnosia, cerebellar function and its relation to tonus, and so much more.
Markelle.axtman (
talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman
Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
(see the
help page).
Karlee.beavens (
talk) 02:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Some topics that Goldstein explored included the following: motor disturbances, sensory disturbances, the nature of hallucinations, alcoholism, manic-depressive states and schizophrenia. [1] Karlee.beavens ( talk) 02:27, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Goldstein died on September 19, 1965. An interesting fact is that Goldstein was Jewish, and when Hitler started taking over, Goldstein was in jail for a short amount of time and then after that forced to leave the country. Another interesting fact is that he came form a relatively large family. He was the seventh out of nine children. [2] Karlee.beavens ( talk) 02:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Goldstein discovered that the brain could compensate for damaged areas by having different neurons take over to make it "whole" again, although the damaged areas usually didn't work as well.
[3]
He also was an editor for the journal Psychologische Forschung (Psychological Research), which was a journal about Gestalt psychology. [4]
Goldstein got his Medical Doctor (MD) from Breslau in 1903. [5]
Carl Wernicke and Ludwig Edinger were very important teachers for Goldstein. He studied aphasia under Wernicke, and neurology under Edinger. Edinger also inspired him to work with brain- injured soldiers. [6] Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 04:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 17:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Goldstein was supported by what was called the Rockefeller Foundation while he spent a year in Amsterdam after being forced to leave Germany by the Nazis. This was when he wrote his famous book, The Organism. [7]
After arriving in America, Golstein became a citizen in 1940. He worked in several clinics and universities, including Harvard, Columbia, Brandeis, and Tufts. He never truly felt comfortable living in America or speaking the language. [8]
Golstein was quiet and shy, and was known as "the professor" because he loved books so much. He started out studying philosophy, then switched to medicine. [9]
From 1906 to 1914, Golstein worked at a psychiatric clinic, where the lack of real treatment the patients in the clinic received eventually led him to his important work with brain injured soldiers in his own clinic. The publishing of his observations and treatments of people suffering from psychiatric and neurological disorders made him well known and respected. [10]
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 03:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
References
Please develop this article in the sandbox. Click the "User page" tab to go there. Here are some specific comments:
J.R. Council ( talk) 06:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for moving the article to the sandbox. As I've been reading over this, I am realizing that you have some good material, it just needs to be stitched together into paragraphs. Right now it is very choppy within sections.
J.R. Council ( talk) 20:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any recent changes. Please follow my suggestions from my preceding comments. Especially regarding a good intro section. J.R. Council ( talk) 03:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Laura sent me email that said this:
J.R. Council ( talk) 03:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
This is much better now. The main things you need to do now are:
J.R. Council ( talk) 21:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Nice work on this! It came together very well. J.R. Council ( talk) 18:20, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Karlee.beavens and Laura.a.anderson: Nice work crafting this draft, but I'm not clear what your plans are for integrating this draft with the existing Kurt Goldstein article. While there is content in this article that should be added to that one, the difference in structure will make that more difficult than it would have been had you started with that article as a scaffold and built your additions around it.
One thing you need to do is remove statements of opinion like "interestingly" and "ironically". These kinds of comments don't belong in a Wikipedia article. Be careful with your wording, you write that "Eva Rothmann petitioned the ranking Nazi, Matthias Heinrich Goering"; the source says "Eva Rothmann (1897–1960) petitioned the high-ranking Nazi, Matthias Heinrich Goering"; there are two problems here - one is that this is a close paraphrase of the source and the other is that by leaving out the word "high" you have turned Matthias Göring into "the ranking Nazi" (which, if there was a person who could actually be described as such, would be Hitler himself). Incidentally, the close paraphrasing issue isn't really problematic in this case (since the article is released under a creative commons share alike licence) but you'd have to attribute the source explicitly in the article.
Apart from that, you need to fix the reference system. Some of the references are numbered manually (e.g., [3]) others are clickable and numbered automatically. You need to bring everything to a consistent system, and manually numbered references aren't very workable in Wikipedia, since they are hard to update (at present, there two sets of references, one numbered 1-9 and the other 1-10)
I can see that Laura has done a bit of work on this to respond to Ian's suggestions. However, there's still a ways to go. I've put Ian's suggested corrections that you still need to do in italics, above. J.R. Council ( talk) 18:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe I should have been clearer, but I was expecting each member of the group to contribute to every section. As it is, it looks like Laura did refs, Markelle did the outline, and Karlee made the to-do list. That's okay, because each section is good. You should all feel free to add to any of these sections. However, what you didn't do is have each member give a commitment to do specific tasks for the article. J.R. Council ( talk) 22:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Karlee - somehow you have given yourself the username, karlee.beavens/sandbox. This is not really your sandbox, it is your User talk page. I have asked one of the Wiki Ed editors to straighten this out. In the meantime, I will answer your group's questions here. J.R. Council ( talk) 06:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
1. There wasn’t much in the talk page about the paper. I think this Wikipedia could use a picture of him, and lots more information. Such as what his greatest accomplishments were. 2. “ Kurt Goldstein” ling.fju.edu.tw. retrieved 27 February 2015 “Kurt Goldstein and Holism” gestaltpsychotherapie.de retrieved 26 february 2015
3. Dr. Council can we add pictures? Can we talk about his major accomplishments? Markelle.axtman ( talk) 17:05, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
One thing this article needs is pictures or graphics.
2 sources I found that aren't in this article are:
Ludwig, David. Language and human nature: Kurt Goldstein's neurolinguistic foundation of a holistic philosophy. Journal of the History of Behavioral Science. Vol 48(1), 2012, pp. 40-54.
Eling, Paul. Neurognostics Answer. Journal of the History of the Neurosciences. Vol 21(1), 2012, pp. 119-125.
2 questions/ comments I have for the professor are:
How many sections do you think we should try to have in this article? Can the biography section be split up into smaller sections, like childhood, years, etc.?
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 01:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Problem or issue with article: There is no background information on Goldstein or his family. The little information that is there should be elaborated
Two references:
Pickren, W. E. (2003). Kurt Goldstein: Clinician and philosopher of human nature. In G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer, G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer (Eds.), Portraits of pioneers in psychology, Vol. V (pp. 127-140). Washington, DC, US; Mahwah, NJ, US: American Psychological Association
Goldstein, G. (1990). Contributions of Kurt Goldstein to neuropsychology. Clinical Neuropsychologist, 4(1), 3-17. doi: 10.1080/13854049008401492
Two Questions:
1. What would be an example of “too much” information about a person? Page lengthwise?
2. Do you have any suggestions on what to mention that would be important, from what you know about him?
Karlee.beavens ( talk) 18:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
1. Add Pictures (Himself, family, school attended, instruments used, documents) 2. Add major accomplishments and contributions to Psychology 3. Add more to his biography, specifically family life 4. Add what the Gestalt therapy and his involvement/influence? 5. Add more to the introduction-more about his neurology background 6. Talk about how he used brain injured soldiers and applied the Gestalt concepts 7. Add work with self-actualization 8. Add about influence of Maslow, and interaction with other Psychologists Karlee.beavens ( talk) 17:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlee.beavens ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Kurt Goldstein
Markelle.axtman ( talk) 17:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC) J.R. Council ( talk) 22:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Karlee.beavens ( talk) 00:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 20:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Laura, Markelle, and Karlee - this assignment is worth 25 points. It does require some effort, so you need to start working on it now. J.R. Council ( talk) 22:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Kurt Goldstein was mainly known for being a neurologist. He worked mainly with aphasia along the side of Carl Wernicke. Aphasia is a disorder that makes it hard to read, write, and speak. Goldstein attended the Frankfurt Neurological Institute, where he practiced comparitive neurology in the lab under Ludwig Edinger. In 1906 Kurt Goldstein started working in psychiatry and neurology, becoming acquainted with the Wurzburg school of experimental psychology. In 1930 Goldstein became the director of a neuropsychiatric clinic and a professor at the university in the department of Neurology and Psychiatry in Berlin. At the age of 56 Goldstein started a new career in New York at the New York Psychiatric Institute and the Montefiori Hospital. Markelle.axtman ( talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman
Kurt Goldstein was denounced to the Nazis by an assistant and charged with leftist sympathis and jewishness. He met his wife Eva Rothmann at the age of 56. Markelle.axtman ( talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman
Something interesting about Kurt Goldstein was that when he passed away he left over 200 publications, most in German and English and they spanned across six decades. some of his work included things like the relationship between circumscribed cortical injuries and sensory and motor defects, problems of perceptual disturbances and agnosia, cerebellar function and its relation to tonus, and so much more.
Markelle.axtman (
talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman
Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
(see the
help page).
Karlee.beavens (
talk) 02:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Some topics that Goldstein explored included the following: motor disturbances, sensory disturbances, the nature of hallucinations, alcoholism, manic-depressive states and schizophrenia. [1] Karlee.beavens ( talk) 02:27, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Goldstein died on September 19, 1965. An interesting fact is that Goldstein was Jewish, and when Hitler started taking over, Goldstein was in jail for a short amount of time and then after that forced to leave the country. Another interesting fact is that he came form a relatively large family. He was the seventh out of nine children. [2] Karlee.beavens ( talk) 02:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Goldstein discovered that the brain could compensate for damaged areas by having different neurons take over to make it "whole" again, although the damaged areas usually didn't work as well.
[3]
He also was an editor for the journal Psychologische Forschung (Psychological Research), which was a journal about Gestalt psychology. [4]
Goldstein got his Medical Doctor (MD) from Breslau in 1903. [5]
Carl Wernicke and Ludwig Edinger were very important teachers for Goldstein. He studied aphasia under Wernicke, and neurology under Edinger. Edinger also inspired him to work with brain- injured soldiers. [6] Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 04:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 17:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Goldstein was supported by what was called the Rockefeller Foundation while he spent a year in Amsterdam after being forced to leave Germany by the Nazis. This was when he wrote his famous book, The Organism. [7]
After arriving in America, Golstein became a citizen in 1940. He worked in several clinics and universities, including Harvard, Columbia, Brandeis, and Tufts. He never truly felt comfortable living in America or speaking the language. [8]
Golstein was quiet and shy, and was known as "the professor" because he loved books so much. He started out studying philosophy, then switched to medicine. [9]
From 1906 to 1914, Golstein worked at a psychiatric clinic, where the lack of real treatment the patients in the clinic received eventually led him to his important work with brain injured soldiers in his own clinic. The publishing of his observations and treatments of people suffering from psychiatric and neurological disorders made him well known and respected. [10]
Laura.a.anderson ( talk) 03:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
References
Please develop this article in the sandbox. Click the "User page" tab to go there. Here are some specific comments:
J.R. Council ( talk) 06:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for moving the article to the sandbox. As I've been reading over this, I am realizing that you have some good material, it just needs to be stitched together into paragraphs. Right now it is very choppy within sections.
J.R. Council ( talk) 20:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any recent changes. Please follow my suggestions from my preceding comments. Especially regarding a good intro section. J.R. Council ( talk) 03:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Laura sent me email that said this:
J.R. Council ( talk) 03:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
This is much better now. The main things you need to do now are:
J.R. Council ( talk) 21:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Nice work on this! It came together very well. J.R. Council ( talk) 18:20, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Karlee.beavens and Laura.a.anderson: Nice work crafting this draft, but I'm not clear what your plans are for integrating this draft with the existing Kurt Goldstein article. While there is content in this article that should be added to that one, the difference in structure will make that more difficult than it would have been had you started with that article as a scaffold and built your additions around it.
One thing you need to do is remove statements of opinion like "interestingly" and "ironically". These kinds of comments don't belong in a Wikipedia article. Be careful with your wording, you write that "Eva Rothmann petitioned the ranking Nazi, Matthias Heinrich Goering"; the source says "Eva Rothmann (1897–1960) petitioned the high-ranking Nazi, Matthias Heinrich Goering"; there are two problems here - one is that this is a close paraphrase of the source and the other is that by leaving out the word "high" you have turned Matthias Göring into "the ranking Nazi" (which, if there was a person who could actually be described as such, would be Hitler himself). Incidentally, the close paraphrasing issue isn't really problematic in this case (since the article is released under a creative commons share alike licence) but you'd have to attribute the source explicitly in the article.
Apart from that, you need to fix the reference system. Some of the references are numbered manually (e.g., [3]) others are clickable and numbered automatically. You need to bring everything to a consistent system, and manually numbered references aren't very workable in Wikipedia, since they are hard to update (at present, there two sets of references, one numbered 1-9 and the other 1-10)
I can see that Laura has done a bit of work on this to respond to Ian's suggestions. However, there's still a ways to go. I've put Ian's suggested corrections that you still need to do in italics, above. J.R. Council ( talk) 18:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)