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Hey Joe, I'm going through Public Domain photos of buildings from a government site HABS, and considering some things in Seattle I might want to write articles for or add images or info to. What do you think would be a good name for an article about the Federal Courthouse on 5th as seen here [1]? Would it be U.S. Courthouse (Seattle), Federal Courthouse (Seattle) ,or King County Federal Building or something else? Or is there already an article about this place that I can't find? Thanks and regards, DVD+ R/W 05:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I had originally deleted the "from an alleged..." part because it seemed like overkill. We have "according to Sebastian" as an introductory section - in itself, that establishes that it may be acocryphal. I have since included a mention just below the quote indicating precisely what is disputable about it. I mainly disliked the sentence because it did not comply with format, and because it currently rests inside the quotation marks (which is just wrong, IMO). Tell me what you think. Dahn 07:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The person who copied the long passage on intelligence quotients into the Talk page of the Ashkenazi Jews article stuck it in a bunch of other places too. Is it appropriate to simply remove it from the Talk page? The talk page is too long, and full of irrelevancy as it is. Is there a way to archive that discussion and start over? Who can do that? I really commend you for your constant revisions on this and several other pages I am interested in. -- Metzenberg 06:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Joe, if you have time, I've proposed combining WP:V and WP:NOR into one policy called Wikipedia:Attribution. Your input would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to get by there -- and when I did, I did little more than a drive-by. I still haven't really read the talk page. Will return when I get a chance. But I had two clients send three, separate Fed Ex packages to the wrong address (to the same similar-sounding, but nonexistent street) within three days of one another. Go figure. They both have my address on file, and it should be committed to memory. I caught the first problem. Thank goodness someone at the Fed Ex center recognized my name and the error on the part of the other client and redirected the work to my address. As a result of the delay, though, I'm really jammed, work-wise, so no telling when I'll get back by there. Maybe next week sometime. Anyway, don't give up. And my apologies again for my hit-and run, scattershot (and somewhat superficial) contributions to the piece at this point in its history). Will try to do better next time around. Peace. deeceevoice 16:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Stopped back by AA and did some editing of the section under "issues", which I thought was pretty offensively written (maybe a little more; I don't exactly remember). Still haven't read the thing completely through, though. I saw your comments about DynamicKnowledge's edits -- but couldn't find a section on "historical issues" (did I miss it?), so I don't know what your complaint was/is there. Are there any particular issues outstanding that still need attention? Regards. deeceevoice 17:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for seconding my barnstar. :-) I commented on your NOR addition, by the way. I think you're right; it would be a useful addition. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I asked a question on the wikiproject ethnic groups talk page about your comments about developing templates, after you had on more than one occasion wondered aloud about developing an article-ranking system with related temples, similar (as you said) to what is done for biographies.
There seems to be a whole class of similar templates for WP Mesoamerica, e.g.
Why not just copy their templates & relevant ranking criteria, and modify accordingly?
I would be happy to do this .. about two months from now, after the semester ends. Now I'm swamped.
Thanks -- Ling.Nut 00:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for consulting me, and sorry I've taken so long to respond.. Even though I'm on a long wikibreak it's good to see some of my old stomping grounds are still active. I've added my comments to the Loreto talk page. I think Pastfinder's edits were certainly in good faith, but he might have gotten a wee bit overzealous on some parts; you seemed to have ironed out one of them already. Though I worked on the article quite a bit, most of my work was translation. I'm no expert on the subject either; though I like Mexican history, my attendance at a Catholic wedding last week was one of my closest encounters with the Church. - Draeco 06:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr.Mabel
I am romanian and couple days ago I find what happend with Sorin Cerin in english.
First,Sorin Cerin is NOT american writer or philosopher.He is ROMANIAN but write in english and publish in America.See Writers.net and Ezinearticle.com or much easy go to search on Google about Sorin Cerin.
Second,the guys who try to give you free pooridge is liars because Cerin is well know enough in Romania and in other countries,and about Clujeanul see romanian Wikipedia about Cerin,and find the reality.Clujeanul said about Destiny in romanian language that have been launch to National Teather Bookstore and not to Romanian Literature Museum how all other press said.Again,Sorin Cerin is NOT american writer and philosopher!
Third,notability?Cerin have a lot of notable critique about him.Paul Dugneanu ,Florentin Popescu ,and many other critiques who talk about Cerin works.Cerin is in Reader2 in many countries.See romanian Wikipedia.Is many romanian who live in other countries and do not speak romanian.For these people and other ,who need to know about Cerin is necessary to be in english.
I don't understand sir, how many other romanian soccer players and DJ is in english Wikipedia about nobody don't know anything, and a great writer and philosopher is NOT! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.204.224.205 ( talk • contribs) 13 October 2006.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northgate, Seattle, Washington SchmuckyTheCat 02:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello Jmabel. I wanted to bring to your attention a new addition to the ongoing debate over this situation. User: Mary Beard, a relatively new editor, has created a new uncylopedia template and has only placed it on the OW discussion page. I reverted it once but am refraining from doing so again so that I don't violate the 3RR. Aside from the numerous discussions about this situation (and your compromise of moving it to OW in pop culture page) it is huge and dominates the top of the page. There was no discussion or attempt to reach a consensus before this showed up so I have turned to you and User: Stbalbach to try to help and resolve this situation. My thanks ahead of time for any aid or direction that you can give. MarnetteD | Talk 21:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Created Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Assessment. It should be populated by MathBot tonight. Cross your fingers.-- Ling.Nut 00:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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Honestly, I don't have a citation, though I have heard from multiple sources that that was the case. For what it's worth, Big Yellow Taxi seems to corroborate the assertion. — Cuivi é nen 14:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
You may wish to take note and/or comment:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous
Yours,
Smeelgova
17:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC).
Hi Jmabel. Yes, a little weird setup. If he complies with WP:SOCK#Legitimate uses of multiple accounts, I see no problem. On the content I'll comment at the article's talk page. Cheers. ← Humus sapiens ну? 08:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The rise and development of the Haskalah, or Jewish enlightenment, was different in Western Europe and Eastern Europe. In the West, an attempt was made to strip Judaism of its national character, and label it merely a "religion." The motivation behind this was to defend recently acquired political rights; and in particular, the new idea that Jews were citizens of the European "states" in which they resided. In retrospect the giving of political rights to Western European Jewish residents was contingent on their ceasing to be Jews in the traditional sense; or in any sense at all. The “reform” movement, started in Germany, was an attempt to give religious imprimatur to these developments; including rejecting the re-establishment of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem; and thus naming synagogues “temples.” In the East, the Haskalah led to secular Jewish nationalism (e.g., Chaim Zhitlowsky's ideas); of which Zionism was just the most successful and consequential. However, even in the East, there were assimilationists who wanted to dissociate themselves from their heritage to gain approval of gentiles. The “Jew” that is the subject of antisemitism is an artificial construct of the Roman Catholic church; and has no connection to flesh and blood Jews. It was an attempt by Jews to distance themselves from the chimera of Christian theology that later morphed into racism, (invented to attack newly acquired Jewish political rights in Europe), that Jews were attempting, perhaps understandably, to distance themselves from. Even in America, there were references to “Hebrews” instead of “Jews”; in an effort to seek approbation from gentiles; and distance Jews from Christian mythology. (It should be noted that America’s, (i.e., the United States, but not Canada’s), offer of citizenship was genuine and not a quid pro quo.) So your reference to 20th century Hungary was out of context, unexplained, un-encyclopedic; and therefore, inappropriate. That is why I deleted it.-- Lance talk 04:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't see your message before on Piazzola's article at the Argentine notice board. The you mention makes some sence, and historical facts seam to be correct (see this). Now, regarding "the story was conceived by Piazzolla's then lover", I haven't been able to find a love connection, not a reference about she comming up with the idea, but it is still problable. Mariano( t/ c) 10:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Jmabel,
Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I replied to them here. I hope I addressed your concerns satisfactorily, but if not, please let me know. Thanks! -- Ling.Nut 18:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
That means I have to provide translations of corresponding portions of non-english citations ONLY and not whole article?I mean I am citing a news-story in Marathi and suppose I intend to use only a para of it into wiki article,then I have to provide translation of that Part i intend to use or the complete news-story? Mahawiki 06:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC) P.s:Sorry for my bad English!
Smeelgova, This topic does not interest me enough for me to really plunge in. As far as I can see, after skimming this, no legal threats have been made. Saying that you are posting and/or linking to material that violates copyright is perfectly legitimate and in this case appears accurate. Legal threats means if he implicitly of explicitly threatens to sue. If that has happened, point me to the edit.
And Sm1969, if you have threatened to sue, then, yes, that rule Wikipedia:No legal threats is pretty clear: either withdraw your threat to sue, or stop editing Wikipedia articles. You cannot simultaneously threaten to sue someone over article content and participate in editing, and you certainly should not be thrashing it out on the talk pages. I strongly suggest that you read Wikipedia:No legal threats. - Jmabel | Talk 16:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see below as per User_talk:Jossi. I'm not sure what to do, how to report this, but I feel threatened by this user. Thanks for your help. Yours, Smeelgova 00:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC).
** Good, please also remove any information on how to get the copyright violating content from PirateBay and eMule. Initially, after a good 25 edits back and forth, you have realized that putting links to copyrighted material violates Wikipedia policy. I think the next logical step is to recognize that giving English language directions on how to get the copyright infringing material is just as bad. I have pointed you numerous times to the Wikipedia policy on external links where it talks about "contributory copyright infringement." By putting up a chronicle of the Internet story and how to get the video, you are effectively using Wikipedia to market copyrighted material--that's "contributory copyright infringement." Any reference to where this video was or how to get it needs to be taken down. I'm not a lawyer and I do not own the copyright and please don't construe this as a legal threat, but you need to wisen up real fast with this; interpret me as being polite and urgent; I'd have no trouble seeing Landmark Education, from its history, serving you with a summons for this. Sm1969 00:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
From User Jossi's talk page:
Hag Sameach!
Do you think it is controversial to claim that Jews call their Tanakh "the Bible?" I don't. Do you think it is controversial to claim that "the Bible" refers only to the combined "Old Testament" and "New Testament," i.e. is a term that refers to the sacred scriptures of Christians (but not Jews)? I do, but this is precisely the claim Home Computer is making on the Bible talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bible#Current_layout
Feel free to weigh in. And please watch out for Home Computer's attempts to change the article. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
This allegation is untrue.. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slrubenstein Peace -- Home Computer 15:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Hey Joe, I'm going through Public Domain photos of buildings from a government site HABS, and considering some things in Seattle I might want to write articles for or add images or info to. What do you think would be a good name for an article about the Federal Courthouse on 5th as seen here [1]? Would it be U.S. Courthouse (Seattle), Federal Courthouse (Seattle) ,or King County Federal Building or something else? Or is there already an article about this place that I can't find? Thanks and regards, DVD+ R/W 05:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I had originally deleted the "from an alleged..." part because it seemed like overkill. We have "according to Sebastian" as an introductory section - in itself, that establishes that it may be acocryphal. I have since included a mention just below the quote indicating precisely what is disputable about it. I mainly disliked the sentence because it did not comply with format, and because it currently rests inside the quotation marks (which is just wrong, IMO). Tell me what you think. Dahn 07:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The person who copied the long passage on intelligence quotients into the Talk page of the Ashkenazi Jews article stuck it in a bunch of other places too. Is it appropriate to simply remove it from the Talk page? The talk page is too long, and full of irrelevancy as it is. Is there a way to archive that discussion and start over? Who can do that? I really commend you for your constant revisions on this and several other pages I am interested in. -- Metzenberg 06:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Joe, if you have time, I've proposed combining WP:V and WP:NOR into one policy called Wikipedia:Attribution. Your input would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to get by there -- and when I did, I did little more than a drive-by. I still haven't really read the talk page. Will return when I get a chance. But I had two clients send three, separate Fed Ex packages to the wrong address (to the same similar-sounding, but nonexistent street) within three days of one another. Go figure. They both have my address on file, and it should be committed to memory. I caught the first problem. Thank goodness someone at the Fed Ex center recognized my name and the error on the part of the other client and redirected the work to my address. As a result of the delay, though, I'm really jammed, work-wise, so no telling when I'll get back by there. Maybe next week sometime. Anyway, don't give up. And my apologies again for my hit-and run, scattershot (and somewhat superficial) contributions to the piece at this point in its history). Will try to do better next time around. Peace. deeceevoice 16:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Stopped back by AA and did some editing of the section under "issues", which I thought was pretty offensively written (maybe a little more; I don't exactly remember). Still haven't read the thing completely through, though. I saw your comments about DynamicKnowledge's edits -- but couldn't find a section on "historical issues" (did I miss it?), so I don't know what your complaint was/is there. Are there any particular issues outstanding that still need attention? Regards. deeceevoice 17:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for seconding my barnstar. :-) I commented on your NOR addition, by the way. I think you're right; it would be a useful addition. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I asked a question on the wikiproject ethnic groups talk page about your comments about developing templates, after you had on more than one occasion wondered aloud about developing an article-ranking system with related temples, similar (as you said) to what is done for biographies.
There seems to be a whole class of similar templates for WP Mesoamerica, e.g.
Why not just copy their templates & relevant ranking criteria, and modify accordingly?
I would be happy to do this .. about two months from now, after the semester ends. Now I'm swamped.
Thanks -- Ling.Nut 00:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for consulting me, and sorry I've taken so long to respond.. Even though I'm on a long wikibreak it's good to see some of my old stomping grounds are still active. I've added my comments to the Loreto talk page. I think Pastfinder's edits were certainly in good faith, but he might have gotten a wee bit overzealous on some parts; you seemed to have ironed out one of them already. Though I worked on the article quite a bit, most of my work was translation. I'm no expert on the subject either; though I like Mexican history, my attendance at a Catholic wedding last week was one of my closest encounters with the Church. - Draeco 06:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr.Mabel
I am romanian and couple days ago I find what happend with Sorin Cerin in english.
First,Sorin Cerin is NOT american writer or philosopher.He is ROMANIAN but write in english and publish in America.See Writers.net and Ezinearticle.com or much easy go to search on Google about Sorin Cerin.
Second,the guys who try to give you free pooridge is liars because Cerin is well know enough in Romania and in other countries,and about Clujeanul see romanian Wikipedia about Cerin,and find the reality.Clujeanul said about Destiny in romanian language that have been launch to National Teather Bookstore and not to Romanian Literature Museum how all other press said.Again,Sorin Cerin is NOT american writer and philosopher!
Third,notability?Cerin have a lot of notable critique about him.Paul Dugneanu ,Florentin Popescu ,and many other critiques who talk about Cerin works.Cerin is in Reader2 in many countries.See romanian Wikipedia.Is many romanian who live in other countries and do not speak romanian.For these people and other ,who need to know about Cerin is necessary to be in english.
I don't understand sir, how many other romanian soccer players and DJ is in english Wikipedia about nobody don't know anything, and a great writer and philosopher is NOT! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.204.224.205 ( talk • contribs) 13 October 2006.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northgate, Seattle, Washington SchmuckyTheCat 02:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello Jmabel. I wanted to bring to your attention a new addition to the ongoing debate over this situation. User: Mary Beard, a relatively new editor, has created a new uncylopedia template and has only placed it on the OW discussion page. I reverted it once but am refraining from doing so again so that I don't violate the 3RR. Aside from the numerous discussions about this situation (and your compromise of moving it to OW in pop culture page) it is huge and dominates the top of the page. There was no discussion or attempt to reach a consensus before this showed up so I have turned to you and User: Stbalbach to try to help and resolve this situation. My thanks ahead of time for any aid or direction that you can give. MarnetteD | Talk 21:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Created Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Assessment. It should be populated by MathBot tonight. Cross your fingers.-- Ling.Nut 00:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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Honestly, I don't have a citation, though I have heard from multiple sources that that was the case. For what it's worth, Big Yellow Taxi seems to corroborate the assertion. — Cuivi é nen 14:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
You may wish to take note and/or comment:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous
Yours,
Smeelgova
17:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC).
Hi Jmabel. Yes, a little weird setup. If he complies with WP:SOCK#Legitimate uses of multiple accounts, I see no problem. On the content I'll comment at the article's talk page. Cheers. ← Humus sapiens ну? 08:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The rise and development of the Haskalah, or Jewish enlightenment, was different in Western Europe and Eastern Europe. In the West, an attempt was made to strip Judaism of its national character, and label it merely a "religion." The motivation behind this was to defend recently acquired political rights; and in particular, the new idea that Jews were citizens of the European "states" in which they resided. In retrospect the giving of political rights to Western European Jewish residents was contingent on their ceasing to be Jews in the traditional sense; or in any sense at all. The “reform” movement, started in Germany, was an attempt to give religious imprimatur to these developments; including rejecting the re-establishment of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem; and thus naming synagogues “temples.” In the East, the Haskalah led to secular Jewish nationalism (e.g., Chaim Zhitlowsky's ideas); of which Zionism was just the most successful and consequential. However, even in the East, there were assimilationists who wanted to dissociate themselves from their heritage to gain approval of gentiles. The “Jew” that is the subject of antisemitism is an artificial construct of the Roman Catholic church; and has no connection to flesh and blood Jews. It was an attempt by Jews to distance themselves from the chimera of Christian theology that later morphed into racism, (invented to attack newly acquired Jewish political rights in Europe), that Jews were attempting, perhaps understandably, to distance themselves from. Even in America, there were references to “Hebrews” instead of “Jews”; in an effort to seek approbation from gentiles; and distance Jews from Christian mythology. (It should be noted that America’s, (i.e., the United States, but not Canada’s), offer of citizenship was genuine and not a quid pro quo.) So your reference to 20th century Hungary was out of context, unexplained, un-encyclopedic; and therefore, inappropriate. That is why I deleted it.-- Lance talk 04:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't see your message before on Piazzola's article at the Argentine notice board. The you mention makes some sence, and historical facts seam to be correct (see this). Now, regarding "the story was conceived by Piazzolla's then lover", I haven't been able to find a love connection, not a reference about she comming up with the idea, but it is still problable. Mariano( t/ c) 10:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Jmabel,
Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I replied to them here. I hope I addressed your concerns satisfactorily, but if not, please let me know. Thanks! -- Ling.Nut 18:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
That means I have to provide translations of corresponding portions of non-english citations ONLY and not whole article?I mean I am citing a news-story in Marathi and suppose I intend to use only a para of it into wiki article,then I have to provide translation of that Part i intend to use or the complete news-story? Mahawiki 06:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC) P.s:Sorry for my bad English!
Smeelgova, This topic does not interest me enough for me to really plunge in. As far as I can see, after skimming this, no legal threats have been made. Saying that you are posting and/or linking to material that violates copyright is perfectly legitimate and in this case appears accurate. Legal threats means if he implicitly of explicitly threatens to sue. If that has happened, point me to the edit.
And Sm1969, if you have threatened to sue, then, yes, that rule Wikipedia:No legal threats is pretty clear: either withdraw your threat to sue, or stop editing Wikipedia articles. You cannot simultaneously threaten to sue someone over article content and participate in editing, and you certainly should not be thrashing it out on the talk pages. I strongly suggest that you read Wikipedia:No legal threats. - Jmabel | Talk 16:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see below as per User_talk:Jossi. I'm not sure what to do, how to report this, but I feel threatened by this user. Thanks for your help. Yours, Smeelgova 00:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC).
** Good, please also remove any information on how to get the copyright violating content from PirateBay and eMule. Initially, after a good 25 edits back and forth, you have realized that putting links to copyrighted material violates Wikipedia policy. I think the next logical step is to recognize that giving English language directions on how to get the copyright infringing material is just as bad. I have pointed you numerous times to the Wikipedia policy on external links where it talks about "contributory copyright infringement." By putting up a chronicle of the Internet story and how to get the video, you are effectively using Wikipedia to market copyrighted material--that's "contributory copyright infringement." Any reference to where this video was or how to get it needs to be taken down. I'm not a lawyer and I do not own the copyright and please don't construe this as a legal threat, but you need to wisen up real fast with this; interpret me as being polite and urgent; I'd have no trouble seeing Landmark Education, from its history, serving you with a summons for this. Sm1969 00:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
From User Jossi's talk page:
Hag Sameach!
Do you think it is controversial to claim that Jews call their Tanakh "the Bible?" I don't. Do you think it is controversial to claim that "the Bible" refers only to the combined "Old Testament" and "New Testament," i.e. is a term that refers to the sacred scriptures of Christians (but not Jews)? I do, but this is precisely the claim Home Computer is making on the Bible talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bible#Current_layout
Feel free to weigh in. And please watch out for Home Computer's attempts to change the article. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
This allegation is untrue.. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slrubenstein Peace -- Home Computer 15:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)