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I noticed you have done some work on the entry for Louis Saint-Just-- thanks for your comments in favor of fair representation :D I was thinking of undertaking a major revision and/or large additions to his entry and wondered if you had any suggestions. I'm fairly new to Wiki and so am a bit nervous about doing any great amount of editing to an existing article, but I think this is one that could be much further developed. Thanks for your time! -- Togemon 04:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice! -- Togemon 14:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I have collected these articles on Dede Korkut, Alpamysh and other Destans. Paksoy has done most of the writing. I believe these writings will be most valuable in categorizing early Turkic peoples into great federations like Gokturk, Oghuz, Qarluq etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestlyriccollection ( talk • contribs) 15 Nov 2005
The article is twice as long as is recommended and is always going to be a magnet for POV-warriors. I'm not sure what is going on with Wikipedia:WikiProject Fascism, but what is needed here is an expert in the field re-writing the whole thing adhering strictly to Wikipedia policy, and then people willing to "rv unsourced addition" mercilessly forever after. I'd hate to think that some good, WP:NPOV, referenced article is sitting somewhere in the article history, but that is another possibility. I put up an RfC on it, by the way. Jkelly 04:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Marsden is back, using his IP address, 69.138.215.194 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), and apparently spending most of his time reverting those he doesn't like, or who he has been asked to revert. Now he's being even more disruptive; in order to avoid going over the 3RR, he's added a link to a bogus hate site at Self-hating Jew instead, and posting trolling text to a bunch of talk pages about "nigger lovers". I'm considering a 1 week block for disruption at this point, unless you think you or someone else should do it first. Jayjg (talk) 17:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Feel free to ignore this if you wish. I've updated the PWDS Common objections and responses section, to reply to the concerns you expressed in your objection. Specifically, the objections you raised are now answered as follows:
If you have some further thoughts on this, or questions or concerns with either of these answers, I would appreciate hearing them. Thanks for all your work on Wikipedia! JesseW, the juggling janitor 23:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
If it's not on your Watchlist, check out my response to your comment on Talk:Bugeac and tell me (there) what you think. Thanks.
LuiKhuntek 03:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
The main article of UDMR statute is that UDMR wants territorial authonomy. Peter Eckstein Kovacs an imporatan leader of UDMR addmited that in a tv show called "Nasul" on B1 tv. What do you say about that?-- Dacodava
So, in your opinion to be a terrorist, someone must bombing something? It will be the time when they will do it! A terrorist do not means only to bombing something in my opinion. They are terrorists because they broke Romanian laws and they want to destroy Romania as country! They want a new stae in middle of Romania. That is the truth! And that means terrorism! But generraly speaking, people like to sleep at these hungarian threats, just like "11 september"!-- Dacodava
Salutations, Joe! In case you are unaware, Halibutt is going through the administrator vote process. I believe that any input you could provide would be valued. Olessi 19:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to ask those fellows who have not indicated whether or not they grant permission for a wikibio on them to please do so soon. I'd also appreciate it everyone could expand or create the wikibios for which permission has been granted. The wikibio project simply won't be useful unless fellows actively participate; so I'd like to issue a challenge that each fellow contribute at least one sentence to two wikibios. I'll be on wikibreak for the next week and when I get back there will be prizes in store for the fellows who have the three highest edit counts on wikibios. Thanks. - JCarriker 22:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
We recently met on the labor union page, as you recall.
LOL, I was just adding some comments to a talk page, and ran into your name, in fact I quoted you on the talk page--best quote of the bunch I thought. [1] I reported our mutual friend to arbitration, BTW. [2] 02:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travb ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for the tip. Now let's see if it works ;) Aecis praatpaal 20:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for contacting me about the WikiMeet. I would love to go, but considering how paranoid my parents are about this sort of thing, I seriously doubt I'd be able to. If anything changes on that front, however, I'll definitely try to come. ♠ P M C♠ 23:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
It might be of your interest. Regards, User:Ejrrjs says What? 10:47, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I'm user of the catalan wikipedia. I've seen you put a question in the Llull's discussion. The fact is that Llull is an inactive user (we don't know why), and he is being asked about the images he did without being the questions answered. Surely Llull did all the images by himself, but he had no time of putting the images description for some reason, and they remain without license. I believe it would be sufficient writing in the license that user:Llull drawn it and the license is GFDL ca:usuari:Arturo Reina
Hello, we had some discussion on the fair use of magazine covers at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fair_use#Keira_Knightley. It seems that people are using magazine covers with a certain person on to illustrate the article about that person without any real commentary on the image. I argued that appearances on fashion magazine covers are not particularly significant so cannot justify critical commentary which is one of the requirements for fair use. Admittedly this argument only applies to magazine covers not album covers so maybe they should be listed separately on the Fair use page. Regards Arniep 21:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't make comments like this, such disrespect makes communication useless. Sam Spade 00:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not an expert, lacking citable credentials, but I know a great deal about the incident, yes. I have written extensively based on my knowledge of the subject on several pages regarding the socialist or syndacalist underpinnings of fascism, and the close relationship between fascism and anarchism. When in doubt, assume good faith, rather than that another is lying. If your interested in giving fascism a thorough and balanced, non-partisan examination, you have alot to learn. I'd be glad to help :) Sam Spade 00:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I have posted a another comment at Talk:Bugeac in favor of a re-naming. I will wait for objections and move if none.
Since you seemed to be well-involved in the region:
1. I suggested merging The Province of Bessarabia into Ottoman Bessarabia since they both deal with the same area at the same time. I'm not suggesting a merge with Bessarabia as one post at Talk:Ottoman Bessarabia stated. Any thoughts?
2. I'm writing a stub for the area between Transnistria and Crimea (roughly Mykolaiv Oblast) and wanted your input on a name. The most common English form is Jedisan (e.g. Historical Atlas of Central Europe. 2nd ed. Paul Robert Magocsi. 2002) and I would go with that but Edisan and Yedisan better reflect local pronounciation. Any preference?
Here are some other language forms for reference:
Ukrainian: Эдисан [Jedysan], Russian: Едисан [Edisan], Romanian and Crimean Tatar: Edisan, Turkish: Yedisan, German: Jedisan, Polish: Jedysan, Hungarian: Jediszán —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuiKhuntek ( talk • contribs) 21 Nov 2005
Jmabel, thanks for your comments about Xul Solar. I did try to find replacement live links, but I was unaware of web archive. Nice to learn something unexpected on Wikipedia. Thanks again. AppleMacD 02:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the typos! Much appreciated. Joaquin Murietta 19:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Some thoughts about the page name of "Jacobin" at the page Talk:Jacobin. Since you had supported (correctly IMO) two articles, let me know what you think about a disambig page. Kaisershatner 01:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Joe: I have recently come across the article Ethnic Jew composed by User:Zestauferov once upon a time because he felt "This page is created in response to the lack of NPOV on the Jew page...11 May 2004". After all this time, the article is basically redundant because all the "base lines" are indeed discussed and covered in the main Jew article (as well as in the Judaism article). I have therefore inserted a merge template on the Ethnic Jew page. Can you please look into this. Thanks. IZAK 02:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer to this interesting proposal. Point well taken. Tom Haws 04:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
It only a mater of politeness to wait until the consensus at Talk:Moldovan language reached. Average English reader may click the link and read, if he wants to know. But the main issue here is that an infobox is for listing basic data, (kind of table of contents), not to explain them. Either you keep it clean and plain, or you are opening the door to various "explanations" and notes and comments, and who will decide which notices are important to "average English reader" and which are not. mikka (t) 06:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
hey there - I can actually do pretty much any of the last three weekends of Jan. The 21st was just a preference, because it's my birthday weekend :) I'm just coming up for a social trip and haven't made any real plans yet. Will clarify accordingly on the meetup page. Brassratgirl 22:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Joe: Are you aware of this abomination: Neofascism and religion#Judaism? What's your opinion? I have tried to add some "rational info" for whatever it's worth. Take a look. Maybe the whole article should be nominated for deletion? IZAK 11:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I removed that link from Alt Camp because the link was bad for over a month (Oct 21 database dump) Once I realized that the server wasn't working, I realized I erred in my ways. You are welcome to revert my changes. -- Adam 14:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
JMabel - I'm not sure you intended it this way, but your recent reversion of Right-wing politics at least bordered on vandalism by committing a wholesale reversion around one point (see Wikipedia:Vandalism); in fact it was worse, because you didn't even argue with a single point - you just reverted because you didn't like it. If you think the restructuring was a bad idea, explain in the Talk page why the previous structure was better; if you think content was lost, figure out a way to reintroduce it. The version I redid was a useless, trashy article, and I made a good-faith effort to improve it, boldly. Try to be constructive. -- Leifern 12:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Joe (do you prefer Joe or Jmabel?),
While I certainly agree that the official language of Moldova is, save a few insignificant differences, the same as the official language of Romania, I think it's quite reasonable to say that colloquial Moldovan is a different language from Romanian because it has a very different grammar and vocabulary.
The most basic example I can think of:
In Iasi they would say "Mashina mia'i noua" ("Mashina mea este noua"). In Chisinau though it would probably be "La mine mashina'i noua". Anybody who said that in Iasi would be laughed out of the country.
But in the official language, you absolutely can't say that. It'd have to be "Mashina mea este noua". -- Node 02:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Also, you're saying things like "that doesn't make it a separate language" (not exactly what you said, but it's the essence). Well, I had previously thought you had some formal training in linguistics, but now it's quite obvious that you don't, as practically every linguist realises that "dialect" vs "language" is always a political or sociolinguistic distinction, rather than one based on any real scientific principles. The speech of Belgrade has only a couple of dozen real differences with that of Sarajevo, and yet they're different languages now, and few people really dispute this (!). On the other hand, Kurdish "dialects" are often so wildly different as to be completely mutually incomprehensible. Few self-respecting linguists will make a judgement as to what is a language and what is not, and if they do it's usually with some sort of qualification beforehand, like "Well, there isn't really a definite distinction between dialect and language, but"... For example, in one article, Donald Dyer calls the colloquial speech of urban Moldova "Moldovan (language)", and yet refers to it at other points in the same article as "Moldovan Romanian" or "Moldovan (dialect)", and yet he's referring to the same variety. What most linguists have found is the best compromise in disputed cases is to use the term "language variety" or "linguistic modality". "Language variety" still implies some sort of subservient position, thus "linguistic modality". It's pointless to argue for hours on end about whether or not Moldovan and Romanian are different languages, or whether one is just a dialect of the other. Two different people can look at the same set of facts on the situation and come to opposite conclusions. So long as we both recognise the true extent of the differences between the two, if we still disagree as to whether or not they should be considered dialects or languages, there's one glaring reason why that might be: what is to me a language may be to you a dialect, because our internal definitions may vary. At the end of the day, Moldovan and Romanian are neither "languages" nor "dialects", but rather "linguistic modalities". -- Node 03:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ronline and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Ronline . I have nominated Ronline to be Administrator for English Wikipedia. Let's vote for him! Bonaparte talk & contribs
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 20 | ← | Archive 23 | Archive 24 | Archive 25 | Archive 26 | Archive 27 | → | Archive 30 |
I noticed you have done some work on the entry for Louis Saint-Just-- thanks for your comments in favor of fair representation :D I was thinking of undertaking a major revision and/or large additions to his entry and wondered if you had any suggestions. I'm fairly new to Wiki and so am a bit nervous about doing any great amount of editing to an existing article, but I think this is one that could be much further developed. Thanks for your time! -- Togemon 04:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice! -- Togemon 14:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I have collected these articles on Dede Korkut, Alpamysh and other Destans. Paksoy has done most of the writing. I believe these writings will be most valuable in categorizing early Turkic peoples into great federations like Gokturk, Oghuz, Qarluq etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestlyriccollection ( talk • contribs) 15 Nov 2005
The article is twice as long as is recommended and is always going to be a magnet for POV-warriors. I'm not sure what is going on with Wikipedia:WikiProject Fascism, but what is needed here is an expert in the field re-writing the whole thing adhering strictly to Wikipedia policy, and then people willing to "rv unsourced addition" mercilessly forever after. I'd hate to think that some good, WP:NPOV, referenced article is sitting somewhere in the article history, but that is another possibility. I put up an RfC on it, by the way. Jkelly 04:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Marsden is back, using his IP address, 69.138.215.194 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), and apparently spending most of his time reverting those he doesn't like, or who he has been asked to revert. Now he's being even more disruptive; in order to avoid going over the 3RR, he's added a link to a bogus hate site at Self-hating Jew instead, and posting trolling text to a bunch of talk pages about "nigger lovers". I'm considering a 1 week block for disruption at this point, unless you think you or someone else should do it first. Jayjg (talk) 17:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Feel free to ignore this if you wish. I've updated the PWDS Common objections and responses section, to reply to the concerns you expressed in your objection. Specifically, the objections you raised are now answered as follows:
If you have some further thoughts on this, or questions or concerns with either of these answers, I would appreciate hearing them. Thanks for all your work on Wikipedia! JesseW, the juggling janitor 23:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
If it's not on your Watchlist, check out my response to your comment on Talk:Bugeac and tell me (there) what you think. Thanks.
LuiKhuntek 03:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
The main article of UDMR statute is that UDMR wants territorial authonomy. Peter Eckstein Kovacs an imporatan leader of UDMR addmited that in a tv show called "Nasul" on B1 tv. What do you say about that?-- Dacodava
So, in your opinion to be a terrorist, someone must bombing something? It will be the time when they will do it! A terrorist do not means only to bombing something in my opinion. They are terrorists because they broke Romanian laws and they want to destroy Romania as country! They want a new stae in middle of Romania. That is the truth! And that means terrorism! But generraly speaking, people like to sleep at these hungarian threats, just like "11 september"!-- Dacodava
Salutations, Joe! In case you are unaware, Halibutt is going through the administrator vote process. I believe that any input you could provide would be valued. Olessi 19:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to ask those fellows who have not indicated whether or not they grant permission for a wikibio on them to please do so soon. I'd also appreciate it everyone could expand or create the wikibios for which permission has been granted. The wikibio project simply won't be useful unless fellows actively participate; so I'd like to issue a challenge that each fellow contribute at least one sentence to two wikibios. I'll be on wikibreak for the next week and when I get back there will be prizes in store for the fellows who have the three highest edit counts on wikibios. Thanks. - JCarriker 22:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
We recently met on the labor union page, as you recall.
LOL, I was just adding some comments to a talk page, and ran into your name, in fact I quoted you on the talk page--best quote of the bunch I thought. [1] I reported our mutual friend to arbitration, BTW. [2] 02:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travb ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for the tip. Now let's see if it works ;) Aecis praatpaal 20:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for contacting me about the WikiMeet. I would love to go, but considering how paranoid my parents are about this sort of thing, I seriously doubt I'd be able to. If anything changes on that front, however, I'll definitely try to come. ♠ P M C♠ 23:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
It might be of your interest. Regards, User:Ejrrjs says What? 10:47, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I'm user of the catalan wikipedia. I've seen you put a question in the Llull's discussion. The fact is that Llull is an inactive user (we don't know why), and he is being asked about the images he did without being the questions answered. Surely Llull did all the images by himself, but he had no time of putting the images description for some reason, and they remain without license. I believe it would be sufficient writing in the license that user:Llull drawn it and the license is GFDL ca:usuari:Arturo Reina
Hello, we had some discussion on the fair use of magazine covers at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fair_use#Keira_Knightley. It seems that people are using magazine covers with a certain person on to illustrate the article about that person without any real commentary on the image. I argued that appearances on fashion magazine covers are not particularly significant so cannot justify critical commentary which is one of the requirements for fair use. Admittedly this argument only applies to magazine covers not album covers so maybe they should be listed separately on the Fair use page. Regards Arniep 21:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't make comments like this, such disrespect makes communication useless. Sam Spade 00:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not an expert, lacking citable credentials, but I know a great deal about the incident, yes. I have written extensively based on my knowledge of the subject on several pages regarding the socialist or syndacalist underpinnings of fascism, and the close relationship between fascism and anarchism. When in doubt, assume good faith, rather than that another is lying. If your interested in giving fascism a thorough and balanced, non-partisan examination, you have alot to learn. I'd be glad to help :) Sam Spade 00:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I have posted a another comment at Talk:Bugeac in favor of a re-naming. I will wait for objections and move if none.
Since you seemed to be well-involved in the region:
1. I suggested merging The Province of Bessarabia into Ottoman Bessarabia since they both deal with the same area at the same time. I'm not suggesting a merge with Bessarabia as one post at Talk:Ottoman Bessarabia stated. Any thoughts?
2. I'm writing a stub for the area between Transnistria and Crimea (roughly Mykolaiv Oblast) and wanted your input on a name. The most common English form is Jedisan (e.g. Historical Atlas of Central Europe. 2nd ed. Paul Robert Magocsi. 2002) and I would go with that but Edisan and Yedisan better reflect local pronounciation. Any preference?
Here are some other language forms for reference:
Ukrainian: Эдисан [Jedysan], Russian: Едисан [Edisan], Romanian and Crimean Tatar: Edisan, Turkish: Yedisan, German: Jedisan, Polish: Jedysan, Hungarian: Jediszán —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuiKhuntek ( talk • contribs) 21 Nov 2005
Jmabel, thanks for your comments about Xul Solar. I did try to find replacement live links, but I was unaware of web archive. Nice to learn something unexpected on Wikipedia. Thanks again. AppleMacD 02:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the typos! Much appreciated. Joaquin Murietta 19:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Some thoughts about the page name of "Jacobin" at the page Talk:Jacobin. Since you had supported (correctly IMO) two articles, let me know what you think about a disambig page. Kaisershatner 01:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Joe: I have recently come across the article Ethnic Jew composed by User:Zestauferov once upon a time because he felt "This page is created in response to the lack of NPOV on the Jew page...11 May 2004". After all this time, the article is basically redundant because all the "base lines" are indeed discussed and covered in the main Jew article (as well as in the Judaism article). I have therefore inserted a merge template on the Ethnic Jew page. Can you please look into this. Thanks. IZAK 02:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer to this interesting proposal. Point well taken. Tom Haws 04:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
It only a mater of politeness to wait until the consensus at Talk:Moldovan language reached. Average English reader may click the link and read, if he wants to know. But the main issue here is that an infobox is for listing basic data, (kind of table of contents), not to explain them. Either you keep it clean and plain, or you are opening the door to various "explanations" and notes and comments, and who will decide which notices are important to "average English reader" and which are not. mikka (t) 06:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
hey there - I can actually do pretty much any of the last three weekends of Jan. The 21st was just a preference, because it's my birthday weekend :) I'm just coming up for a social trip and haven't made any real plans yet. Will clarify accordingly on the meetup page. Brassratgirl 22:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Joe: Are you aware of this abomination: Neofascism and religion#Judaism? What's your opinion? I have tried to add some "rational info" for whatever it's worth. Take a look. Maybe the whole article should be nominated for deletion? IZAK 11:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I removed that link from Alt Camp because the link was bad for over a month (Oct 21 database dump) Once I realized that the server wasn't working, I realized I erred in my ways. You are welcome to revert my changes. -- Adam 14:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
JMabel - I'm not sure you intended it this way, but your recent reversion of Right-wing politics at least bordered on vandalism by committing a wholesale reversion around one point (see Wikipedia:Vandalism); in fact it was worse, because you didn't even argue with a single point - you just reverted because you didn't like it. If you think the restructuring was a bad idea, explain in the Talk page why the previous structure was better; if you think content was lost, figure out a way to reintroduce it. The version I redid was a useless, trashy article, and I made a good-faith effort to improve it, boldly. Try to be constructive. -- Leifern 12:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Joe (do you prefer Joe or Jmabel?),
While I certainly agree that the official language of Moldova is, save a few insignificant differences, the same as the official language of Romania, I think it's quite reasonable to say that colloquial Moldovan is a different language from Romanian because it has a very different grammar and vocabulary.
The most basic example I can think of:
In Iasi they would say "Mashina mia'i noua" ("Mashina mea este noua"). In Chisinau though it would probably be "La mine mashina'i noua". Anybody who said that in Iasi would be laughed out of the country.
But in the official language, you absolutely can't say that. It'd have to be "Mashina mea este noua". -- Node 02:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Also, you're saying things like "that doesn't make it a separate language" (not exactly what you said, but it's the essence). Well, I had previously thought you had some formal training in linguistics, but now it's quite obvious that you don't, as practically every linguist realises that "dialect" vs "language" is always a political or sociolinguistic distinction, rather than one based on any real scientific principles. The speech of Belgrade has only a couple of dozen real differences with that of Sarajevo, and yet they're different languages now, and few people really dispute this (!). On the other hand, Kurdish "dialects" are often so wildly different as to be completely mutually incomprehensible. Few self-respecting linguists will make a judgement as to what is a language and what is not, and if they do it's usually with some sort of qualification beforehand, like "Well, there isn't really a definite distinction between dialect and language, but"... For example, in one article, Donald Dyer calls the colloquial speech of urban Moldova "Moldovan (language)", and yet refers to it at other points in the same article as "Moldovan Romanian" or "Moldovan (dialect)", and yet he's referring to the same variety. What most linguists have found is the best compromise in disputed cases is to use the term "language variety" or "linguistic modality". "Language variety" still implies some sort of subservient position, thus "linguistic modality". It's pointless to argue for hours on end about whether or not Moldovan and Romanian are different languages, or whether one is just a dialect of the other. Two different people can look at the same set of facts on the situation and come to opposite conclusions. So long as we both recognise the true extent of the differences between the two, if we still disagree as to whether or not they should be considered dialects or languages, there's one glaring reason why that might be: what is to me a language may be to you a dialect, because our internal definitions may vary. At the end of the day, Moldovan and Romanian are neither "languages" nor "dialects", but rather "linguistic modalities". -- Node 03:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ronline and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Ronline . I have nominated Ronline to be Administrator for English Wikipedia. Let's vote for him! Bonaparte talk & contribs