Stop spamming the Talk:Diplomatic reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. Not only that you opened sections with screaming titles "Is this article a joke?" "This is a big JOKE!!!!" but you have also opened three sections on the UN. That is spamming which we don't need. -- Avala ( talk) 22:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#Partially_recognized_states is a good idea. I found it so good that I dared to suggest it to this article, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_unrecognized_countries#Changing_the_heading I hope to get your support there. Thank you. -- Tubesship ( talk) 19:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jawohl,I guess you could be helpful in this ongoing discussion if you want to have an infobox in the article like there is one in every countries article. I thank you in advance for your support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo#The_Infoboxes -- Tubesship ( talk) 12:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[1] An interesting link Kosova2008 ( talk) 22:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hi. The article now, (location= Kosovo) will not be solely about the RoK. That is POV. If you want an article solely about the RoK, suggest a split (as Dab has been saying), gain consensus, and if that is what the majority thinks, it will be created at the location " Republic of Kosovo" (currently a redirect). And as R-41 has suggested, maybe you should create a sandbox: User:Jawohl/sandbox, with the content that you want for Kosovo, so people can better understand what your ideas are for the article. Cheers, Balkan Fever 05:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not think you can claim that something is POV before it is created unless you mean the title of the article itself is pov. In that case I have to remind you that according to wiki NOPOV it is not because RoK exists. And so do other articles on other countries which have disputed sovereignty. The article on Kosovo is classified as one on geography yet it contains only a small section on that, the rest you have seen yourself. Ignoring facts, my friend is POV. If I was to make an article on RoK and claim that they govern the whole territory, that would be POV. Kosovo article has a section on Military, Foreign relations, etc. Answer please to me how can a region have those things? I understand the logic behind it, but that is not how a encyclopedia is written. Jawohl ( talk) 07:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
People can consider it however they want. Wikipedia does not and that is what counts. Let us just start an article on RoK. Jawohl ( talk) 15:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The discussion is about the English use of Pristina. Not weather if Pristina or Prishtina should be the name of the city. Pristina Municipality is not as senior as the Republic of Kosovo. They Speak Macedonian in Skopje not english so that is irrelavant as it has nothing to do with the English use of "Pristina". The Chinese "H" argument is also irrelavant as it has nothing to do with the English use of "Pristina". You have obviously got the wrong end of the Stick. We all agree that "Prishtina" is correct in Albanian, but not in English. The English translation for "Prishtina" is "Pristina" so we are discussing if we should use the English or Albanian name of the city. So your NPOV argument is irrelavant too Ijanderson977 ( talk) 17:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Im not creating any confusion, my vote is on the Pristina section but on my userpage I can write whichever I want, and I happend to prefer the sh , in albanian but in english the s
Just to clear this up , Im voting for Pristina, thank you for your understanding --
Cra
del
19:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I must note that your talkpage behaviour is deteriorating from bad to worse. Please read WP:TALK (really) and make an effort to stick to it, avoiding WP:POINT. Persistent failure to comply may be considered as falling under WP:DISRUPTION. -- dab (đł) 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
What was bad and turned to worse? Is there nothing good on my talk page? Jawohl ( talk) 20:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hard to take dab serious when he was the one who deleted someone's talk page. Kosova2008 ( talk) 21:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
if you follow "Jawohl" around a bit, you will note that his approach is to sprinkle talkpages with innocuous tounge-in-cheek rhetorical questions for no reason other than WP:POINT. I've left him a note about it, but obviously, he'll not listen to me. In due time, he'll just take the path of all the other misfits: (a) reform, (b) get bored, or (c) get kicked out. --dab (đł) 20:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
For continued and sustained disruption on Kosovo-related articles during the past month or so, you are now banned from all Kosovo-related articles for 21 days. This ban extends to any talk pages of any major Kosovo-related talk page, especially Talk:Kosovo and Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. If you breach this ban by making edits in this area, you could face a block of an then-to-be determined length, or renewed sanctions. You are however, free to make edits anywhere else on Wikipedia. Some comments that have been used to provide a basis for this block are: ( 1, 2). This topic-ban has been logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedoniaâ. Regards, Rudget ( review) 17:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
What has user dab done?
Ijanderson977 (
talk)
18:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, i see you have been banned from Kosovo related articles. Bad luck mate. We'll continue the naming dispute later. If you have any news on Kosovo you wish to report, post it on my talk page and i'll present it for you. ;)
Ijanderson977 (
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19:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jawohl and thank you for your comment. I am sorry that this measure had to be taken, but I believe it was necessary. As you know I monitor Kosovo-related talk pages, often actively participating in the discussions occurring there, but above all I verify whether or not users also participating there are doing so in a constructive, civil manner. Unfortunately in this hot topic, many users seem to ignore a few rules and fuel discord by resorting to incivility, trolling, and personal attacks. Your behavior lately was in my opinion often inadequate. You too often reacted aggressively against users with whom you disagreed, and blatantly exposed an intent to circumvent WP:NPOV as per your own views on what should be a neutral point of view. For that, a ban is in order. If it makes you feel better, other users are likely to have a banning procedure initiated if they, too, won't stop warring each other and instead start communicating cooperatively and with respect for different opinions. However, as strictly as I adhere to civil cooperation, I also adhere to WP:AGF and I applaud your acknowledgment that by being new here you may not be accustomed to the way discussions on controversial topics must be carried out in order to produce positive results. Therefore, I may suggest Rudget to ponder reducing the length of your ban, although that would rest entirely within his discretion. And above all I exhort you to, once the ban is lifted, join any discussions, always bearing in mind that WP:CIVIL, WP:NPOV and WP:AGF are the only combination allowing you to have your arguments given proper regard, and preventing the escalation of a disagreement into an unpleasant exchange of attacks. Regards, HĂșs ö nd 20:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. Thank you for tasking me with this important correction, and spotting the defect in the first place. I replied in detail with more information on my talk page, for continuity and transparency, and mentioned my talk page in the edit summary. Best wishes, -- Mareklug talk 11:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This is a clear violation of WP:CANVAS. Please do not do it again. ĐżïźáŃΔԻ 5 7 14:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I updated the page accordingly Ijanderson977 ( talk) 15:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Stop spamming the Talk:Diplomatic reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. Not only that you opened sections with screaming titles "Is this article a joke?" "This is a big JOKE!!!!" but you have also opened three sections on the UN. That is spamming which we don't need. -- Avala ( talk) 22:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#Partially_recognized_states is a good idea. I found it so good that I dared to suggest it to this article, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_unrecognized_countries#Changing_the_heading I hope to get your support there. Thank you. -- Tubesship ( talk) 19:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jawohl,I guess you could be helpful in this ongoing discussion if you want to have an infobox in the article like there is one in every countries article. I thank you in advance for your support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo#The_Infoboxes -- Tubesship ( talk) 12:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[1] An interesting link Kosova2008 ( talk) 22:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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13:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. The article now, (location= Kosovo) will not be solely about the RoK. That is POV. If you want an article solely about the RoK, suggest a split (as Dab has been saying), gain consensus, and if that is what the majority thinks, it will be created at the location " Republic of Kosovo" (currently a redirect). And as R-41 has suggested, maybe you should create a sandbox: User:Jawohl/sandbox, with the content that you want for Kosovo, so people can better understand what your ideas are for the article. Cheers, Balkan Fever 05:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not think you can claim that something is POV before it is created unless you mean the title of the article itself is pov. In that case I have to remind you that according to wiki NOPOV it is not because RoK exists. And so do other articles on other countries which have disputed sovereignty. The article on Kosovo is classified as one on geography yet it contains only a small section on that, the rest you have seen yourself. Ignoring facts, my friend is POV. If I was to make an article on RoK and claim that they govern the whole territory, that would be POV. Kosovo article has a section on Military, Foreign relations, etc. Answer please to me how can a region have those things? I understand the logic behind it, but that is not how a encyclopedia is written. Jawohl ( talk) 07:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
People can consider it however they want. Wikipedia does not and that is what counts. Let us just start an article on RoK. Jawohl ( talk) 15:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The discussion is about the English use of Pristina. Not weather if Pristina or Prishtina should be the name of the city. Pristina Municipality is not as senior as the Republic of Kosovo. They Speak Macedonian in Skopje not english so that is irrelavant as it has nothing to do with the English use of "Pristina". The Chinese "H" argument is also irrelavant as it has nothing to do with the English use of "Pristina". You have obviously got the wrong end of the Stick. We all agree that "Prishtina" is correct in Albanian, but not in English. The English translation for "Prishtina" is "Pristina" so we are discussing if we should use the English or Albanian name of the city. So your NPOV argument is irrelavant too Ijanderson977 ( talk) 17:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Im not creating any confusion, my vote is on the Pristina section but on my userpage I can write whichever I want, and I happend to prefer the sh , in albanian but in english the s
Just to clear this up , Im voting for Pristina, thank you for your understanding --
Cra
del
19:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I must note that your talkpage behaviour is deteriorating from bad to worse. Please read WP:TALK (really) and make an effort to stick to it, avoiding WP:POINT. Persistent failure to comply may be considered as falling under WP:DISRUPTION. -- dab (đł) 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
What was bad and turned to worse? Is there nothing good on my talk page? Jawohl ( talk) 20:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hard to take dab serious when he was the one who deleted someone's talk page. Kosova2008 ( talk) 21:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
if you follow "Jawohl" around a bit, you will note that his approach is to sprinkle talkpages with innocuous tounge-in-cheek rhetorical questions for no reason other than WP:POINT. I've left him a note about it, but obviously, he'll not listen to me. In due time, he'll just take the path of all the other misfits: (a) reform, (b) get bored, or (c) get kicked out. --dab (đł) 20:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
For continued and sustained disruption on Kosovo-related articles during the past month or so, you are now banned from all Kosovo-related articles for 21 days. This ban extends to any talk pages of any major Kosovo-related talk page, especially Talk:Kosovo and Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. If you breach this ban by making edits in this area, you could face a block of an then-to-be determined length, or renewed sanctions. You are however, free to make edits anywhere else on Wikipedia. Some comments that have been used to provide a basis for this block are: ( 1, 2). This topic-ban has been logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedoniaâ. Regards, Rudget ( review) 17:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
What has user dab done?
Ijanderson977 (
talk)
18:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, i see you have been banned from Kosovo related articles. Bad luck mate. We'll continue the naming dispute later. If you have any news on Kosovo you wish to report, post it on my talk page and i'll present it for you. ;)
Ijanderson977 (
talk)
19:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jawohl and thank you for your comment. I am sorry that this measure had to be taken, but I believe it was necessary. As you know I monitor Kosovo-related talk pages, often actively participating in the discussions occurring there, but above all I verify whether or not users also participating there are doing so in a constructive, civil manner. Unfortunately in this hot topic, many users seem to ignore a few rules and fuel discord by resorting to incivility, trolling, and personal attacks. Your behavior lately was in my opinion often inadequate. You too often reacted aggressively against users with whom you disagreed, and blatantly exposed an intent to circumvent WP:NPOV as per your own views on what should be a neutral point of view. For that, a ban is in order. If it makes you feel better, other users are likely to have a banning procedure initiated if they, too, won't stop warring each other and instead start communicating cooperatively and with respect for different opinions. However, as strictly as I adhere to civil cooperation, I also adhere to WP:AGF and I applaud your acknowledgment that by being new here you may not be accustomed to the way discussions on controversial topics must be carried out in order to produce positive results. Therefore, I may suggest Rudget to ponder reducing the length of your ban, although that would rest entirely within his discretion. And above all I exhort you to, once the ban is lifted, join any discussions, always bearing in mind that WP:CIVIL, WP:NPOV and WP:AGF are the only combination allowing you to have your arguments given proper regard, and preventing the escalation of a disagreement into an unpleasant exchange of attacks. Regards, HĂșs ö nd 20:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. Thank you for tasking me with this important correction, and spotting the defect in the first place. I replied in detail with more information on my talk page, for continuity and transparency, and mentioned my talk page in the edit summary. Best wishes, -- Mareklug talk 11:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This is a clear violation of WP:CANVAS. Please do not do it again. ĐżïźáŃΔԻ 5 7 14:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I updated the page accordingly Ijanderson977 ( talk) 15:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)