Thank you for your collaboration on the article.
I made some remarks on the talk page. Could you come and give your mind there ?
Thank you,
Alithien 08:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
FYI : [1] Alithien 11:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello JaapBobo,
I would like to invite you to take more care of the different points of view that may exist on a topic.
What you have written here :
[3] is sourced but you should be aware there are many different points of views on the topic among scholars.
In introducing a "controversed" material as a fact, you generate internal problems in wikipedia.
I understand after reading you "user page" you are intersted by the topic of the
1948 Palestine War.
After reading Pappé, I would suggest you read also other historians to get a wider picture of the matter.
Good continuation (and thank you for the grammatical corrections you made to my additions in the article concerning the causes).
Regards,
Alithien 15:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You are engineer ? Believe what you like but if you want to know who is really neutral or not, proceed like I did and try to gather all the events that arose at that time : [4] Alithien 10:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Thx for your contribution to this article. Actually I think this item is not agreed upon by historians: Before the first truce (July 1948) mass flights were mainly the result of the war, both offensives of the Israeli army and the action of irregulars. Around half of the total number of refugees left in this period. Many historians do think large parts of the early exodus were premeditated.-- JaapBoBo 10:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
You led us to a statement from Karsh: "[Morris] argues that lack of an official policy made little difference, since "thinking about the possibilities of transfer in the 1930s and 1940s had prepared and conditioned hearts and minds for its implementation in the course of 1948." Morris cites no evidence to support this claim nor could he, for there was never any Zionist attempt to inculcate the "transfer" idea in the hearts and minds of Jews. He could find no evidence of any press campaign, radio broadcasts, public rallies, or political gatherings, for none existed." [5]
That sure doesn't match what Morris claims elsewhere - eg "Righteous Victims" p143. David Ben-Gurion, August 7th 1937, address the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich. Text from CZA S5-1543, original texts of the speeches: "We must look carefully at the question of whether transfer is possible, necessary, moral and useful. We do not want to dispossess, [but] transfer of populations occured before now, in the [Jezreel] Valley, in the Sharon [that is, the coastal plain] and in other places. You are no doubt aware of the JNF's activities in this regard. Now a transfer of completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transfering the Arab fellahin ...... it is important that this plan comes from the commission and not from us".
Which of these can be right - or is Karsh guilty of trickery, ignoring these statements because they're in front of a "private" audience? There are other statements concerning seizing the land from the natives, going right back to 1881/82. PalestineRemembered 07:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
When you have time, read this :
[6]. Of course this is a direct "primary source". You can have an idea of the GLOBAL situation in Palestine at that time. That could be better than performing -like the Finkelstein- textual analysis of Morris's works to try to understand what happened and concludes he "lies" if there are contradictions you are unable to understand when you know nothing on the context.
Alithien 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
You seem to have a deep understanding of wikipedia policy.
Good.
How did you learn this ?
Did you edit under another name ? Which one ?
If you ask me what should be added in the section related to Yishuv objectives, it is :
What is the exact one ? Alithien 08:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Comments were already made on the talk page of the article. You will see there how to improve this but this is only a beginning.
By the way, you claim there is no policy that orders you to write for the enemy. Perfect, there is no policy that prevents me reverting material non neutral.
You don't want to be constructive. That is a pity it is your choice.
Alithien 15:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear JaapBoBo:
Please don't write comments to me on
my user page. I hope you will use
my talk page for this purpose in the future.
To answer your question, I did not delete any footnotes on purpose. --
GHcool 23:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear JaapBoBo,
All pov's flag I added were properly justified.
I have explained to you patiently and many times the reasons why most of you edits were pov's.
You behaviour didn't change and I have no choice that adding flags when required.
Alithien 08:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
You clearly doesn't understand that rule. Now it is enough. It is sourced and from Morris himself. Take a break and respect wikipedia policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.244.46.93 ( talk) 21:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Editors should exercisae refraint:
This is a clear example of such a case because the citation ads about zero content to the article. Please remove it. -- JaapBoBo 15:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello JaapBoBo,
I added
this comment on the talk page of the article about the civil war.
Could you please give your mind.
Alithien 07:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, JaapBoBo.
I noticed that you reverted my edit on the Hakim paragraph in Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Please be so kind as to explain your reasons on the discussion devoted to this removal. I know it's tempting to start a new section for discussion, but let's try to stick to the old one. New sections are springing up like crazy and most of them are just continuations of already ongoing discussions. Screen stalker 12:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi JaapBoBo,
my question and comments here :
[8]
Alithien 09:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I am confident you would prefer my version rather than the new one some wants to introduce on that article. Your minds and collaboration there would be welcome. Alithien 10:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
There is a wikipedia policy somewhere that forbids that. I personnally don't mind but some contributors could complain. I suggest your write this here
User:JaapBoBo/Critics of Morris (workpage). So that, you cannot be criticized.
NB: In example 2, Morris refers mainly to the Jihad al-Muqadas blockage of Jerusalem and to the arrival of Arab Liberation Army troops. It is less a question of bias than a question of not explaining again and again what is well known. Contextualisation, like for ex.1.
Alithien 16:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC).
Morris writes than Karsh uses unreliable sources and Shapira argues his analysis is not fair giving more details about Karsh sources. AS YOU KNOW, the only arguments of Morris critics was about these footnotes and you deleted only the answer of Shapira concerning them.
So, I reverted you.
Alithien 07:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
If the references are in the text, hundreds of lines farther down without any hyperlink, then it won't kill anybody to copy two or three author names and/or references up there too. pedro gonnet - talk - 26.10.2007 13:03
You could have expected this...
This is the "Bible".
Alithien 15:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I just neutralize and makes this fit to the debate.
You made 3 reverts. The 4th will be reported.
Alithien 08:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I have taken on Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus and have begun the mediation by calling for opening statements (on the mediation's talk page). Please add your opening statement when you get the chance and, if you haven't done so already, please put the page on your watchlist so you're kept abreast of what's going on at the mediation. -- tariqabjotu 07:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I am very disappointed in your recent edits. I understand your desire to revert my edits, but would not have expected even you to remove tags indicating controversy over sections, while at the same time calling my edits vandalism. Refusing to allow sections in which do not have consensus is not vandalism. Forcing them in while refusing to acknowledge that there is no consensus for them is.
I expect that you will avoid such edits in the future. Screen stalker 14:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
That was not clear and is extremely relevant information. Note that Arab Liberation Army was better equipped and that there were more than 7000 irregulars fighting but this is a detail given the Arab Liberation Army didn't really support the Palestinians. Alithien 16:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I notice that I am more and more agressive towards you.
This is not acceptable.
The reason is that you may be a clever guy but you are upsetting by editing all these articles only with reading one side, sometimes extremly poored source and not having a global vision of the matter.
Note there are worse than you, on what could be called the other side.
Good continuation nevertheless.
Alithien 22:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Nobody is to blame ? What on earth do you mean ?
You are kindly asked to respect wp policy and to discuss on talk pages until consensus are reached.
Ceedjee (
talk) 12:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I see no reason to doubt the figures given by Tal. He gives a period for his figures while the figures you cite don't say to which period they refer. Perhaps you could check your sources to see where they get their figures from? That is to say what sources they cite? This might help see how reliable they are.
A lot of Palestinian fighters were peasants and I doubt that anyone really knows how many of them were involved, while Jewish forces were clearly growing all the time as they inducted people and immigrants arrived. i think it makes sense to inform the reader that these figures are not reliable and that different opinions exist.
Telaviv1 (talk) 13:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Telaviv1"
I inserted a link to the Biltmore statement in the text, if you follow the link you can see the paragraph numbers. Telaviv1 ( talk) 08:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You systematically enter only one side pov in the articles. Sometimes you also introduce quotes that make believe that the authors think the contrary of what they really think (eg for Teveth recently or for Morris some time ago). Many editors complain you desequilibrate articles in over-detailling some pov.
For all these reasons, I ask you to discuss any change you would like to add to an article and wait for comments before proceeding to modification.
Ceedjee (
talk) 11:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Zionism. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Oxymoron 83 14:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. please help! The category Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues has been nominated for deletion. this is a category which is meant to be simply a conveneient non-partisan gathering-place for all entries which are general overviews of various issues, as opposed to being related to a specific event or location.
The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 21#Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues. This category is beneficial to all of us who habitually edit these articles, regardless of whether we may be more affiliated with Israeli concerns or Palestinian concerns. The category's deletion is being advocated by editors who rarely edit any articles on this topic, and have little involvement in this topic at Wikipedia.
Your help would be greatly appreciated. please go to this category's discussion entry, and express your opinion. Hopefully, you will be willing to advocate keeping this category. thanks for your help. Thanks, Sm8900 -- 207.10.186.39 ( talk) 14:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I made a suggestion to modify the paragraph about the rivalry and answered your questions. Ceedjee ( talk) 14:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Palestinian people, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation. Thanks, Steve, Sm8900 ( talk) 20:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear PR, can you please refrain from making edits on TariqAbjotu's and the mediation page during the mediation. I think it's better if we handle it with the three of us. If you have suggestions you can always put them on my talk page. Thx!!! -- JaapBoBo ( talk) 20:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Ceedjee just wrote on Talk:Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus, "[I]f we don't agree with the result of the mediation, we can ask for another mediation just after this one." Do you agree with this attitude? Would you say that the mediation we are currently engaged in the "last step" toward a compromise, or would you say that this is the first of potentially many steps in clearing the obstacles in shaping the article the way you feel it to be shaped? I would appreciate an honest answer before I spend any more time and energy in this mediation. Thanks. -- GHcool ( talk) 21:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the Iron Cage from Khalidi but I understand you have this book.
I think there Khalidi may talk about the events of Jerusalem in 1920.
I would need some pro-arab pov's, particularly details on the precise "charges" versus Jews/Zionists.
Would you mind checking if there are some and detailling them (on my talk page) ?
Thank you,
Ceedjee (
talk) 13:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I am writing to you with regards to the 1948 Palestinian exodus mediation underway. I understand that nerves have been rubbed raw by outside attempts to "influence" the threeway mediation; in an effort to avoid exacerbating that I'm posting an identical message on the individual talk pages of Tariq, Ghcool, and JaapBoBo, and nothing at the mediation page itself. I am sorry if this is late in the game, but I've only now become aware that there was a dispute over Finkelstein's status as an RS. I'd like to clarify a few misstatements that have been made about his work and career, and – with your forebearance – make a few brief remarks about the policy issues at stake here. While I appreciate (and applaud) your goal of narrowly circumscribing the scope of this mediation, the fact is that any decision you come to will have broader implications. These should be weighed and understood.
Briefly, regarding Finkelstein:
Now, regarding the implications of this mediation for Wikipedia. Two things seem very clear to me. First of all, it strikes me as wholly inappropriate to be invoking tenure as an editorial criteria here. To repeat, Finkelstein's status as a reliable source is a function of his scholarly status, not his employment status. Ironically, his scholarly status was bolstered by the tenure debacle, due to the stark contrast, in the din of controversy, between the support for his work among experts and the denigration of his work among demagogues: while people like Sean Hannity and Alan Dershowitz and Steve Emerson were calling him a "neo-Nazi," the foremost historian of the Holocaust and one of the most eminent historians ever (who holds, it should be noted, political views of Israel very different from Finkelstein's) was praising Finkelstein's “acuity of vision and analytical power,” and going on the air to say that “his place in the whole history of writing history is assured."
Finally, I think the players in this mediation effort – all three of whom I enormously respect – need to strike a more delicate balance between making editorial judgments about how much weight to accord different scholars (and different kinds of scholarship) in a given article, which is good and necessary, and forming a sort of ad hoc academic peer review committee to evaluate Finkelstein's scholarship, which would be presumptious and indefensible. It is not for Wikipedians to say that peer-reviewed scholarship published by eminent academic presses is "unreliable." It is for Wikipedians to say that this or that view of Finkelstein's (about, say, "transferist thinking") is relevant/not-relevant here and why; or that it's been contradicted elsewhere by scholar X, or that as a political scientist Finkelstein's claims should be accorded less weight than those of an archival historian like Morris; and so on.
Thanks to all three of you for your time and attention. I wish you the best of luck in your continued mediation, and await the results in a spirit of eager and optimistic expectation.-- G-Dett ( talk) 23:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
("Reverted your vandalism on ' Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs")
You said: If you think there is some truth in your edit comment (this was a POV fork, incomplete, inaccurate, slanted, drawn fomr a very small number of individual sources and violates numeorus policies especially WP:NPOV), please specify it on the talk page, so we can discuss it and improve the article. -- JaapBoBo ( talk) 10:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
It is not, ever, acceptable to call a good faith edit by a long-standing member of the community "vandalism". It is incivil. See Wikipedia:Vandalism for the actual definition. Guy ( Help!) 10:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I hope it will not be deleted.
For the title, that is indeed a problem that the word atttitude doesn't appear.
That is also an issue if the article would only deal with events after 1917, you are right. Maybe it could be solved with a section Background ?
Ceedjee (
talk) 11:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
+ FYI :
User:JaapBoBo/draft.
Ceedjee (
talk) 13:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, a second mind would be welcome here to neutralize the background of this article :
[12] (I wrote the background).
Feel free to correct in the core of the article and then to give comments on the talk page, if any.
Regards,
Ceedjee (
talk) 21:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
What you did is
WP:POINT but above all is a little childish and does not reflect your quality as editor of wp !
Above all after the support you got on History of the Palestinian talk page.
Please, don't frustrate others by your actions because you are frustrated by others actions. That will lead to nowhere.
I started reading your article about Sternhell's book. I already made some comments. I find this very good but I don't have finished it yet.
Regards,
Ceedjee (
talk) 09:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I just noted a new article, Hebrew labor. I thought you might be interested, since it is similar to ‘Jewish labor’, already (and only) noted in Zionist and Palestinian Arab attitudes before 1948. Personally, I prefer 'Jewish labour', because that is the English language spelling at the time. Regards, CasualObserver'48 ( talk) 15:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi JaapBoBo,
would you mind emailing me your paper ? I am interested to read this even more that it was published in HLS and given that Nur Masalha reviewed this ! Many thank,
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Thank you for your collaboration on the article.
I made some remarks on the talk page. Could you come and give your mind there ?
Thank you,
Alithien 08:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
FYI : [1] Alithien 11:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello JaapBobo,
I would like to invite you to take more care of the different points of view that may exist on a topic.
What you have written here :
[3] is sourced but you should be aware there are many different points of views on the topic among scholars.
In introducing a "controversed" material as a fact, you generate internal problems in wikipedia.
I understand after reading you "user page" you are intersted by the topic of the
1948 Palestine War.
After reading Pappé, I would suggest you read also other historians to get a wider picture of the matter.
Good continuation (and thank you for the grammatical corrections you made to my additions in the article concerning the causes).
Regards,
Alithien 15:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You are engineer ? Believe what you like but if you want to know who is really neutral or not, proceed like I did and try to gather all the events that arose at that time : [4] Alithien 10:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Thx for your contribution to this article. Actually I think this item is not agreed upon by historians: Before the first truce (July 1948) mass flights were mainly the result of the war, both offensives of the Israeli army and the action of irregulars. Around half of the total number of refugees left in this period. Many historians do think large parts of the early exodus were premeditated.-- JaapBoBo 10:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
You led us to a statement from Karsh: "[Morris] argues that lack of an official policy made little difference, since "thinking about the possibilities of transfer in the 1930s and 1940s had prepared and conditioned hearts and minds for its implementation in the course of 1948." Morris cites no evidence to support this claim nor could he, for there was never any Zionist attempt to inculcate the "transfer" idea in the hearts and minds of Jews. He could find no evidence of any press campaign, radio broadcasts, public rallies, or political gatherings, for none existed." [5]
That sure doesn't match what Morris claims elsewhere - eg "Righteous Victims" p143. David Ben-Gurion, August 7th 1937, address the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich. Text from CZA S5-1543, original texts of the speeches: "We must look carefully at the question of whether transfer is possible, necessary, moral and useful. We do not want to dispossess, [but] transfer of populations occured before now, in the [Jezreel] Valley, in the Sharon [that is, the coastal plain] and in other places. You are no doubt aware of the JNF's activities in this regard. Now a transfer of completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transfering the Arab fellahin ...... it is important that this plan comes from the commission and not from us".
Which of these can be right - or is Karsh guilty of trickery, ignoring these statements because they're in front of a "private" audience? There are other statements concerning seizing the land from the natives, going right back to 1881/82. PalestineRemembered 07:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
When you have time, read this :
[6]. Of course this is a direct "primary source". You can have an idea of the GLOBAL situation in Palestine at that time. That could be better than performing -like the Finkelstein- textual analysis of Morris's works to try to understand what happened and concludes he "lies" if there are contradictions you are unable to understand when you know nothing on the context.
Alithien 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
You seem to have a deep understanding of wikipedia policy.
Good.
How did you learn this ?
Did you edit under another name ? Which one ?
If you ask me what should be added in the section related to Yishuv objectives, it is :
What is the exact one ? Alithien 08:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Comments were already made on the talk page of the article. You will see there how to improve this but this is only a beginning.
By the way, you claim there is no policy that orders you to write for the enemy. Perfect, there is no policy that prevents me reverting material non neutral.
You don't want to be constructive. That is a pity it is your choice.
Alithien 15:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear JaapBoBo:
Please don't write comments to me on
my user page. I hope you will use
my talk page for this purpose in the future.
To answer your question, I did not delete any footnotes on purpose. --
GHcool 23:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear JaapBoBo,
All pov's flag I added were properly justified.
I have explained to you patiently and many times the reasons why most of you edits were pov's.
You behaviour didn't change and I have no choice that adding flags when required.
Alithien 08:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
You clearly doesn't understand that rule. Now it is enough. It is sourced and from Morris himself. Take a break and respect wikipedia policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.244.46.93 ( talk) 21:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Editors should exercisae refraint:
This is a clear example of such a case because the citation ads about zero content to the article. Please remove it. -- JaapBoBo 15:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello JaapBoBo,
I added
this comment on the talk page of the article about the civil war.
Could you please give your mind.
Alithien 07:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, JaapBoBo.
I noticed that you reverted my edit on the Hakim paragraph in Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Please be so kind as to explain your reasons on the discussion devoted to this removal. I know it's tempting to start a new section for discussion, but let's try to stick to the old one. New sections are springing up like crazy and most of them are just continuations of already ongoing discussions. Screen stalker 12:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi JaapBoBo,
my question and comments here :
[8]
Alithien 09:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I am confident you would prefer my version rather than the new one some wants to introduce on that article. Your minds and collaboration there would be welcome. Alithien 10:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
There is a wikipedia policy somewhere that forbids that. I personnally don't mind but some contributors could complain. I suggest your write this here
User:JaapBoBo/Critics of Morris (workpage). So that, you cannot be criticized.
NB: In example 2, Morris refers mainly to the Jihad al-Muqadas blockage of Jerusalem and to the arrival of Arab Liberation Army troops. It is less a question of bias than a question of not explaining again and again what is well known. Contextualisation, like for ex.1.
Alithien 16:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC).
Morris writes than Karsh uses unreliable sources and Shapira argues his analysis is not fair giving more details about Karsh sources. AS YOU KNOW, the only arguments of Morris critics was about these footnotes and you deleted only the answer of Shapira concerning them.
So, I reverted you.
Alithien 07:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
If the references are in the text, hundreds of lines farther down without any hyperlink, then it won't kill anybody to copy two or three author names and/or references up there too. pedro gonnet - talk - 26.10.2007 13:03
You could have expected this...
This is the "Bible".
Alithien 15:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I just neutralize and makes this fit to the debate.
You made 3 reverts. The 4th will be reported.
Alithien 08:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I have taken on Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus and have begun the mediation by calling for opening statements (on the mediation's talk page). Please add your opening statement when you get the chance and, if you haven't done so already, please put the page on your watchlist so you're kept abreast of what's going on at the mediation. -- tariqabjotu 07:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I am very disappointed in your recent edits. I understand your desire to revert my edits, but would not have expected even you to remove tags indicating controversy over sections, while at the same time calling my edits vandalism. Refusing to allow sections in which do not have consensus is not vandalism. Forcing them in while refusing to acknowledge that there is no consensus for them is.
I expect that you will avoid such edits in the future. Screen stalker 14:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
That was not clear and is extremely relevant information. Note that Arab Liberation Army was better equipped and that there were more than 7000 irregulars fighting but this is a detail given the Arab Liberation Army didn't really support the Palestinians. Alithien 16:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I notice that I am more and more agressive towards you.
This is not acceptable.
The reason is that you may be a clever guy but you are upsetting by editing all these articles only with reading one side, sometimes extremly poored source and not having a global vision of the matter.
Note there are worse than you, on what could be called the other side.
Good continuation nevertheless.
Alithien 22:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Nobody is to blame ? What on earth do you mean ?
You are kindly asked to respect wp policy and to discuss on talk pages until consensus are reached.
Ceedjee (
talk) 12:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I see no reason to doubt the figures given by Tal. He gives a period for his figures while the figures you cite don't say to which period they refer. Perhaps you could check your sources to see where they get their figures from? That is to say what sources they cite? This might help see how reliable they are.
A lot of Palestinian fighters were peasants and I doubt that anyone really knows how many of them were involved, while Jewish forces were clearly growing all the time as they inducted people and immigrants arrived. i think it makes sense to inform the reader that these figures are not reliable and that different opinions exist.
Telaviv1 (talk) 13:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
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I inserted a link to the Biltmore statement in the text, if you follow the link you can see the paragraph numbers. Telaviv1 ( talk) 08:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You systematically enter only one side pov in the articles. Sometimes you also introduce quotes that make believe that the authors think the contrary of what they really think (eg for Teveth recently or for Morris some time ago). Many editors complain you desequilibrate articles in over-detailling some pov.
For all these reasons, I ask you to discuss any change you would like to add to an article and wait for comments before proceeding to modification.
Ceedjee (
talk) 11:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Zionism. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Oxymoron 83 14:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. please help! The category Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues has been nominated for deletion. this is a category which is meant to be simply a conveneient non-partisan gathering-place for all entries which are general overviews of various issues, as opposed to being related to a specific event or location.
The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 21#Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues. This category is beneficial to all of us who habitually edit these articles, regardless of whether we may be more affiliated with Israeli concerns or Palestinian concerns. The category's deletion is being advocated by editors who rarely edit any articles on this topic, and have little involvement in this topic at Wikipedia.
Your help would be greatly appreciated. please go to this category's discussion entry, and express your opinion. Hopefully, you will be willing to advocate keeping this category. thanks for your help. Thanks, Sm8900 -- 207.10.186.39 ( talk) 14:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I made a suggestion to modify the paragraph about the rivalry and answered your questions. Ceedjee ( talk) 14:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Palestinian people, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation. Thanks, Steve, Sm8900 ( talk) 20:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear PR, can you please refrain from making edits on TariqAbjotu's and the mediation page during the mediation. I think it's better if we handle it with the three of us. If you have suggestions you can always put them on my talk page. Thx!!! -- JaapBoBo ( talk) 20:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Ceedjee just wrote on Talk:Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus, "[I]f we don't agree with the result of the mediation, we can ask for another mediation just after this one." Do you agree with this attitude? Would you say that the mediation we are currently engaged in the "last step" toward a compromise, or would you say that this is the first of potentially many steps in clearing the obstacles in shaping the article the way you feel it to be shaped? I would appreciate an honest answer before I spend any more time and energy in this mediation. Thanks. -- GHcool ( talk) 21:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the Iron Cage from Khalidi but I understand you have this book.
I think there Khalidi may talk about the events of Jerusalem in 1920.
I would need some pro-arab pov's, particularly details on the precise "charges" versus Jews/Zionists.
Would you mind checking if there are some and detailling them (on my talk page) ?
Thank you,
Ceedjee (
talk) 13:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I am writing to you with regards to the 1948 Palestinian exodus mediation underway. I understand that nerves have been rubbed raw by outside attempts to "influence" the threeway mediation; in an effort to avoid exacerbating that I'm posting an identical message on the individual talk pages of Tariq, Ghcool, and JaapBoBo, and nothing at the mediation page itself. I am sorry if this is late in the game, but I've only now become aware that there was a dispute over Finkelstein's status as an RS. I'd like to clarify a few misstatements that have been made about his work and career, and – with your forebearance – make a few brief remarks about the policy issues at stake here. While I appreciate (and applaud) your goal of narrowly circumscribing the scope of this mediation, the fact is that any decision you come to will have broader implications. These should be weighed and understood.
Briefly, regarding Finkelstein:
Now, regarding the implications of this mediation for Wikipedia. Two things seem very clear to me. First of all, it strikes me as wholly inappropriate to be invoking tenure as an editorial criteria here. To repeat, Finkelstein's status as a reliable source is a function of his scholarly status, not his employment status. Ironically, his scholarly status was bolstered by the tenure debacle, due to the stark contrast, in the din of controversy, between the support for his work among experts and the denigration of his work among demagogues: while people like Sean Hannity and Alan Dershowitz and Steve Emerson were calling him a "neo-Nazi," the foremost historian of the Holocaust and one of the most eminent historians ever (who holds, it should be noted, political views of Israel very different from Finkelstein's) was praising Finkelstein's “acuity of vision and analytical power,” and going on the air to say that “his place in the whole history of writing history is assured."
Finally, I think the players in this mediation effort – all three of whom I enormously respect – need to strike a more delicate balance between making editorial judgments about how much weight to accord different scholars (and different kinds of scholarship) in a given article, which is good and necessary, and forming a sort of ad hoc academic peer review committee to evaluate Finkelstein's scholarship, which would be presumptious and indefensible. It is not for Wikipedians to say that peer-reviewed scholarship published by eminent academic presses is "unreliable." It is for Wikipedians to say that this or that view of Finkelstein's (about, say, "transferist thinking") is relevant/not-relevant here and why; or that it's been contradicted elsewhere by scholar X, or that as a political scientist Finkelstein's claims should be accorded less weight than those of an archival historian like Morris; and so on.
Thanks to all three of you for your time and attention. I wish you the best of luck in your continued mediation, and await the results in a spirit of eager and optimistic expectation.-- G-Dett ( talk) 23:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
("Reverted your vandalism on ' Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs")
You said: If you think there is some truth in your edit comment (this was a POV fork, incomplete, inaccurate, slanted, drawn fomr a very small number of individual sources and violates numeorus policies especially WP:NPOV), please specify it on the talk page, so we can discuss it and improve the article. -- JaapBoBo ( talk) 10:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
It is not, ever, acceptable to call a good faith edit by a long-standing member of the community "vandalism". It is incivil. See Wikipedia:Vandalism for the actual definition. Guy ( Help!) 10:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I hope it will not be deleted.
For the title, that is indeed a problem that the word atttitude doesn't appear.
That is also an issue if the article would only deal with events after 1917, you are right. Maybe it could be solved with a section Background ?
Ceedjee (
talk) 11:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
+ FYI :
User:JaapBoBo/draft.
Ceedjee (
talk) 13:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, a second mind would be welcome here to neutralize the background of this article :
[12] (I wrote the background).
Feel free to correct in the core of the article and then to give comments on the talk page, if any.
Regards,
Ceedjee (
talk) 21:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
What you did is
WP:POINT but above all is a little childish and does not reflect your quality as editor of wp !
Above all after the support you got on History of the Palestinian talk page.
Please, don't frustrate others by your actions because you are frustrated by others actions. That will lead to nowhere.
I started reading your article about Sternhell's book. I already made some comments. I find this very good but I don't have finished it yet.
Regards,
Ceedjee (
talk) 09:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I just noted a new article, Hebrew labor. I thought you might be interested, since it is similar to ‘Jewish labor’, already (and only) noted in Zionist and Palestinian Arab attitudes before 1948. Personally, I prefer 'Jewish labour', because that is the English language spelling at the time. Regards, CasualObserver'48 ( talk) 15:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi JaapBoBo,
would you mind emailing me your paper ? I am interested to read this even more that it was published in HLS and given that Nur Masalha reviewed this ! Many thank,
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