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Good spot. I think that's Marina del Rey, in which case it's sunset. I've renamed the file, so at least it's consistent now. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Three links for me to use. Invertzoo ( talk) 17:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Although it is true that I do have a lot of other things that I am supposed to be working on IRL, I am trying to stay with this tutoring as much as I can, and as long as I can, because I think it is important. You are an unusually prolific contributor, and you are well-intentioned. If I can help you sort out some of these issues, I believe it would be very valuable to the encyclopedia in the long run. Please feel free to ask me anything you can think of that you may have wondered about in the past. Please be clear that I am not setting myself up as a great "expert" on Wikipedia policy, but I have done a lot of editing in article about invertebrates and biology in general and I also have to think carefully about attributing facts to other authors when I write my own papers for publication.
I already found the article about the flounder because I looked at your edit history; I put a note on the talk page of that article. Although it is very tempting for me to simply go in and change anything that I think is inappropriate, what I am trying to do here is not simply fix your articles after you have written them, but to teach you how to avoid the problems in the first place.
I am glad that you feel that this tutoring process is actually being helpful to you. At the same time, I imagine it is going to be quite hard for you to change your approach to editing -- you must be so used to doing it all a certain way. It is much harder to "unlearn and relearn" an approach than it is to develop it the first time around. You are going to need to be very vigilant and mindful for a few months or however long it takes for the old habits to fade and the new ways of doing things to start to become automatic. Best wishes to you, Invertzoo ( talk) 17:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the thanks! Just a small point, is it right for me to quote a description exactly from an original description, as I do in Plocamopherus maculapodium - citing the source. The original paper also gives details of internal anatomy and radula plus more details. I'm trying to create a resource for getting a quick look at the species in each genus, plus hoping we will get an image for each. Rudman's Sea Slug Forum is no longer active and I think Wikipedia has a great role to play interfacing the people out there taking photographs (lots of them now) with the scientific papers plus accumulating knowledge of distributions. There are many undescribed species, Gosliner's team added about 91 last year alone. The taxobox structure provides such a neat navigation system. BernardP ( talk) 20:40, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been on copyright classes and there is the clause of "fair usage". It seems to me that part of a species description within a paper describing the species and several others might well come under that heading. Such descriptions are quite precise and it is really not sensible to be rewriting them if they are good and no new information is available, as in the cases where I've used them. Is there a way of tagging Moonriddengirl into this discussion? There is also the consideration of whether there is copyright in this case as the paper itself is freely available. [1]. With some scientific journals moving to a free access model I suspect that such copying may be permissible. BernardP ( talk) 07:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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There is an IP user, 129.62.69.239 and 129.62.228.222, who keeps changing the name of the subphylum of Tunicate in the taxobox from Tunicata to Urochordata (but not the rest of the text). Tunicata is the accepted name according to WoRMS with Urochordata being a junior synonym, and this is the reference I give in the taxobox. What to do next? Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 05:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Greetings. If you intend to convert this into a disambiguation page, please fix all incoming links before making such a change. In my opinion, however, the concept of a "sea slug" is encyclopedic even if only to describe how unrelated species have historically come to be lumped together under this common name. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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I have moved the bivalve article into mainspace. I invited Epipelagic to inspect the flounder article but he does not seemed to have done so and nor does Cyclopia seem to have been back to the octopus article. Meanwhile, I have made a start on a new article on an amphipod here. It's only a start and I am stopping for the night now and will do more tomorrow. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 19:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
I disagree with an important part of the "undertow" article you wrote on wkpd. You stated that undertow is an old-fashionable way to name rip currents, and so it doesn't refer itself to a physical process. This is not true. Rips and undertow are two distinct processes. The word undertow employed in physical oceanography/coeastal processes refers to a steady, 2-D offshore-directed compensation flow. Physically, in the surf zone, passing the breaking point toward the shore, depth-varying Stokes momentum flux is onshore-directed. This mass transport is localised in the upper part of the water column, i.e., wave crest. To compensate the amount of water being transported to the shore this way (and leading to wave set-up and resulting depth-unifrom pressure gradient), a second-order, offhsore-directed mean current takes place in the lower section of the water column. This flow affect the whole surf zone (and even the shoreface, see Lenz etal., 2008), unlike rip currents. This current is referred as "undertow". This word is still in application in scientific coastal oceanography papers and community, like Haines and Sallenger 1994; Garcez Faria et al. 2000; Reniers et al. 2004, amongst many others. This flow is extremely important in coastal sciences since its existence, as well as its onshore directed counterpart outside the surf zone (stokes drift and skewed-asymmetric wave transport) because those antagonistic flows leads to longshore bars formation where they converge (the breaking point/zone).
Rip currents are compensation currents too, but mostly linked to surf zone and beachface bathymetry allowing gradients in mean surface elevation within the surf zone linked to non breaking vs. breaking waves patterns. Rip currents are localised 3D feature in which a pulsatile flow affect the whole water column.
Please make a better litterature review and update your undertow paper in the right way.
ref. cited: Garcez Faria, A. F., E. B. Thornton, T. C. Lippman, and T. P. Stanton, 2000: Undertow over a barred beach. Journal of Geophysical Research, 105, 16 999–17 010. Haines, J. W., and A. H. Sallenger, Jr., 1994: Vertical structure of mean cross-shore currents across a barred surf zone. Journal of Geophysical Research, 99, 14 223–14 242. Lentz, Steven J., Melanie Fewings, Peter Howd, Janet Fredericks, Kent Hathaway, 2008: Observations and a Model of Undertow over the Inner Continental Shelf. J. Phys. Oceanogr., 38, 2341–2357. Reniers, A. J. H. M., E. B. Thornton, T. P. Stanton, and J. A. Roelvink, 2004: Vertical flow structure during Sandy Duck: Observations and modeling. Journal of Coastal Engineering., 51, 237–260. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derieter ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello there. Which would you say is right or conventional or does it matter?
Best, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo, long time since I communicated with you.
I've just created a stub about Protulophila which is hitting the headlines in New Zealand this morning as a "living fossil". I'm not even quite sure what it is as we have a number of links to it suggesting at various times it has been considered an annelid, a medusozoan or a mollusc. fossilworks says its a Hydrozoan, but also puts it in the obsolete group Hydroida. Any chance you could expand the stub a little or mention it to a Wikipedia editor with an interest in such beasties?- gadfium 20:13, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
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Good spot. I think that's Marina del Rey, in which case it's sunset. I've renamed the file, so at least it's consistent now. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Three links for me to use. Invertzoo ( talk) 17:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Although it is true that I do have a lot of other things that I am supposed to be working on IRL, I am trying to stay with this tutoring as much as I can, and as long as I can, because I think it is important. You are an unusually prolific contributor, and you are well-intentioned. If I can help you sort out some of these issues, I believe it would be very valuable to the encyclopedia in the long run. Please feel free to ask me anything you can think of that you may have wondered about in the past. Please be clear that I am not setting myself up as a great "expert" on Wikipedia policy, but I have done a lot of editing in article about invertebrates and biology in general and I also have to think carefully about attributing facts to other authors when I write my own papers for publication.
I already found the article about the flounder because I looked at your edit history; I put a note on the talk page of that article. Although it is very tempting for me to simply go in and change anything that I think is inappropriate, what I am trying to do here is not simply fix your articles after you have written them, but to teach you how to avoid the problems in the first place.
I am glad that you feel that this tutoring process is actually being helpful to you. At the same time, I imagine it is going to be quite hard for you to change your approach to editing -- you must be so used to doing it all a certain way. It is much harder to "unlearn and relearn" an approach than it is to develop it the first time around. You are going to need to be very vigilant and mindful for a few months or however long it takes for the old habits to fade and the new ways of doing things to start to become automatic. Best wishes to you, Invertzoo ( talk) 17:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the thanks! Just a small point, is it right for me to quote a description exactly from an original description, as I do in Plocamopherus maculapodium - citing the source. The original paper also gives details of internal anatomy and radula plus more details. I'm trying to create a resource for getting a quick look at the species in each genus, plus hoping we will get an image for each. Rudman's Sea Slug Forum is no longer active and I think Wikipedia has a great role to play interfacing the people out there taking photographs (lots of them now) with the scientific papers plus accumulating knowledge of distributions. There are many undescribed species, Gosliner's team added about 91 last year alone. The taxobox structure provides such a neat navigation system. BernardP ( talk) 20:40, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been on copyright classes and there is the clause of "fair usage". It seems to me that part of a species description within a paper describing the species and several others might well come under that heading. Such descriptions are quite precise and it is really not sensible to be rewriting them if they are good and no new information is available, as in the cases where I've used them. Is there a way of tagging Moonriddengirl into this discussion? There is also the consideration of whether there is copyright in this case as the paper itself is freely available. [1]. With some scientific journals moving to a free access model I suspect that such copying may be permissible. BernardP ( talk) 07:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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There is an IP user, 129.62.69.239 and 129.62.228.222, who keeps changing the name of the subphylum of Tunicate in the taxobox from Tunicata to Urochordata (but not the rest of the text). Tunicata is the accepted name according to WoRMS with Urochordata being a junior synonym, and this is the reference I give in the taxobox. What to do next? Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 05:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Greetings. If you intend to convert this into a disambiguation page, please fix all incoming links before making such a change. In my opinion, however, the concept of a "sea slug" is encyclopedic even if only to describe how unrelated species have historically come to be lumped together under this common name. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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I have moved the bivalve article into mainspace. I invited Epipelagic to inspect the flounder article but he does not seemed to have done so and nor does Cyclopia seem to have been back to the octopus article. Meanwhile, I have made a start on a new article on an amphipod here. It's only a start and I am stopping for the night now and will do more tomorrow. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 19:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
I disagree with an important part of the "undertow" article you wrote on wkpd. You stated that undertow is an old-fashionable way to name rip currents, and so it doesn't refer itself to a physical process. This is not true. Rips and undertow are two distinct processes. The word undertow employed in physical oceanography/coeastal processes refers to a steady, 2-D offshore-directed compensation flow. Physically, in the surf zone, passing the breaking point toward the shore, depth-varying Stokes momentum flux is onshore-directed. This mass transport is localised in the upper part of the water column, i.e., wave crest. To compensate the amount of water being transported to the shore this way (and leading to wave set-up and resulting depth-unifrom pressure gradient), a second-order, offhsore-directed mean current takes place in the lower section of the water column. This flow affect the whole surf zone (and even the shoreface, see Lenz etal., 2008), unlike rip currents. This current is referred as "undertow". This word is still in application in scientific coastal oceanography papers and community, like Haines and Sallenger 1994; Garcez Faria et al. 2000; Reniers et al. 2004, amongst many others. This flow is extremely important in coastal sciences since its existence, as well as its onshore directed counterpart outside the surf zone (stokes drift and skewed-asymmetric wave transport) because those antagonistic flows leads to longshore bars formation where they converge (the breaking point/zone).
Rip currents are compensation currents too, but mostly linked to surf zone and beachface bathymetry allowing gradients in mean surface elevation within the surf zone linked to non breaking vs. breaking waves patterns. Rip currents are localised 3D feature in which a pulsatile flow affect the whole water column.
Please make a better litterature review and update your undertow paper in the right way.
ref. cited: Garcez Faria, A. F., E. B. Thornton, T. C. Lippman, and T. P. Stanton, 2000: Undertow over a barred beach. Journal of Geophysical Research, 105, 16 999–17 010. Haines, J. W., and A. H. Sallenger, Jr., 1994: Vertical structure of mean cross-shore currents across a barred surf zone. Journal of Geophysical Research, 99, 14 223–14 242. Lentz, Steven J., Melanie Fewings, Peter Howd, Janet Fredericks, Kent Hathaway, 2008: Observations and a Model of Undertow over the Inner Continental Shelf. J. Phys. Oceanogr., 38, 2341–2357. Reniers, A. J. H. M., E. B. Thornton, T. P. Stanton, and J. A. Roelvink, 2004: Vertical flow structure during Sandy Duck: Observations and modeling. Journal of Coastal Engineering., 51, 237–260. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derieter ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello there. Which would you say is right or conventional or does it matter?
Best, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo, long time since I communicated with you.
I've just created a stub about Protulophila which is hitting the headlines in New Zealand this morning as a "living fossil". I'm not even quite sure what it is as we have a number of links to it suggesting at various times it has been considered an annelid, a medusozoan or a mollusc. fossilworks says its a Hydrozoan, but also puts it in the obsolete group Hydroida. Any chance you could expand the stub a little or mention it to a Wikipedia editor with an interest in such beasties?- gadfium 20:13, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
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