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Lets look at the facts here. First please be civil, I never expressed or implied that I am "deciding" what ethnicity someone is or going against the wishes of his father (which seems a weird thing to say since you have presented no source saying what his "will" actually is). In fact when I disagreed with the original removal of Weird Al from the article I answered with a source. You have alleged this source is wrong but haven't given a reason except pointing toward an article which says he is American and the Weird Al website which says he is Yugoslavian. We know that being Yugoslavian doesn't mean you are always Serbian, but that doesn't mean being Yugoslavian means you are never Serbian. We know Yankovic is a Serbian name and, thought this is a weak argument, the editors of Serbs and List of Serbs have listed Weird Al as Serbian. As for Weird Al's website, and I admit this is speculation, there is no evidence about when it was last updated and in fact it could date before the dissolution of Yugoslavia and was written in an effort to make it easier for the average American to understand his ethnicity. As for the article, saying someone has an American ethnicity is deceptive because most Americans have different ethnic heritages, though there are some who claim it such as in the south. A Yugoslavian ethnicity is also deceptive considering the nation once contained several different ethnic groups and the name for the country itself just meant "South Slavia" or "Land of South Slavs."
I'm willing to compromise but the only way I could see it happening is if we get a neutral third party to look into our dispute. Until then I will continue to do research as I hope you will also. Zombie Hunter Smurf ( talk) 00:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Please accept my apologies for my changes to the Yugoslavia at the Olympics article. I did not understand the complexity of the situation. For the past couple of days, I've been attempting to reconcile the differences between the All-time Olympic Games medal table article and the individual <country> at the Olympics articles, mostly fixing missing and incomplete Beijing medal counts. Not counting Germany and a slight inconsistency in the Russia vs Russian Empire distinction, the Yugoslavia medal counts were the sole remaining discrepancy, which I was attempting to correct. As I now see, I should have done more research before acting (such as actually reading and following the Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics link at the top of the article).
However, I did locate the Yugoslavia at the 1996 Summer Olympics article (and the 1998 Winter, and 2000 Summer, and 2002 Winter articles) whose "summary" links refer back to the Yugoslavia at Olympics article. Perhaps the links should be updated refer to the Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics article. And as you already noted, the All-time Olympic Games medal table should probably also be updated to show the distinction.
I'd be happy to make some of these changes to improve cross-article consistency – subject to discussion and review of course.
By the way, I did drop a note on the WikiProject Olympics talk page, so I don't think I was totally out of control, just a bit too WP:BOLD. -- Tcncv ( talk) 03:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I keep the word "erased", but please you can't erase part of the voice. Also note that their original surname is "DElupis" so, please, stop to erase it. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.81.229.33 ( talk) 18:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
a bulgarian user implies propaganda into thje article! Korpas ( talk) 17:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
A Bulgarian user implies objective explainatoins and scientific studies. The Macedonists, blind reverts and nonsences. Regards! Jingby ( talk) 19:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I forget to use the "Show preview" button too. - 4.240.165.138 ( talk) 03:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Imbris! Please don't unilaterally change things on Wikipedia without discussing first. I left a comment on the talk page almost a week ago and you haven't replied, so I am left to assume that you do not object to what I said (see also WP:BRD). Unilateral moves without discussion or proper argument may result in a block from editing Wikipedia. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Kindly stop introducing false information into the article; refer to the history section. No classical sources mention any Croatian origin; pushing your national bias is not acceptable. the roof of this court is too high to be yours ( talk) 05:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Maltese (dog), you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Tool2Die4 ( talk) 01:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I've started an AN/I thread here regarding your edit-warring. Tool2Die4 ( talk) 13:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I understand that just fine, saw it already. I just wanted to revert back to the time when both of you didn't exist. Elm-39 - T/ C 12:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
While "Bosnian and Herzegnovinan American" would be more technically correct than "Bosnian American", the latter is the commonly used term. WP:COMMONNAME PRODUCER ( TALK) 21:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure which part of 'I'm washing my hands of this' you fail to understand, nor what precisely it is you're jabbering about. I have distanced myself from your work on the project entirely, I suggest you get on with whatever it is you are here to do. Cheers, את אמא כל כך שמנה, היא יושבת ליד כולם ( talk) 22:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
So...you didn't do the user conduct RFC right so I reverted some of the related edits. [1] [2]
If you're going to pursue a user conduct RFC against Pietru il-Boqli ( talk · contribs), you need to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct and Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on users. I may be willing to certify such an RFC, but only if Pietru il-Boqli is actually still active in the relevant disputes.
If you're just trying to get wider opinions on the content issue, Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on articles, templates, or categories has the relevant information and doesn't require any certification. — Scien tizzle 19:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I suggest we call admin/s in again, I'm afraid I really have had enough of you and your attitude. The article does not benefit from constant back-and-forth reverting and pernicious tampering.
I apologise for pointing out your various grammatical/syntactical mistakes, I hope you'll find the means to correct them in your own time. Regarding your presumptions of my ancestry, it's English and Maltese. I think I have a fair idea about yours already. Cheers, 汚い危険きつい ( talk) 19:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Maltese (dog). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Crotchety Old Man ( talk) 01:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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01:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Bribery? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 10:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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05:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Imbris ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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Most of the discussion at the Talk:Maltese (dog) was my attempts to state reasons, list sources, find compromise and also list other wikipedia's articles which use the exact same Other names pattern as should the article on Maltese Dog. Also I have attempted to discuss the matter on User talk:Tanthalas39#Maltese (dog) while the protection was in place. Pietru was blocked during this time and also blocked was his talk page. I knew that RFPP is the right thing to do but also knew that admins could not see eye to eye with me and not revert to a version before the edit-war. In fact I reverted to Pietru's own edit (before the edit-war). I do not see how this could be misinterpreted as edit-waring because I did talk, I did make my intention clear (reverting to the last version before the edit-war). I made my reasons clear - bringing Pietru to the discussion table. I did not shut down and revert just as it was an ordinary edit. I talked and talked but Pietru "washed his hands of me" and ceased talking; but he did not "wash his hands of the article he is not interested in" and of my edits to the article. Why am I getting blocked? I did nothing wrong but Pietru's sock is doing it just now. Also I would like to mention that Tanthalas39 wants you to look at the my talk page and doesn't mention that Pietru is on wikipedia longer than I, has a few more edits than I but his (Pietru's) talk page is virtualy blank because he deletes his talk page allmost after every new section of that talk page. I mention this because it seems that the Tanthalas39 wants my block to be in force because of my talk page omitting the fact that I have not been blocked previous my incounter with Pietru. -- Imbris ( talk) 13:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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As you say, you "knew that RFPP is the right thing to do". That's where that should have stopped. There is no qualifier for that, and your attempt to provide one for it by using the ever-popular " wrong version" argument is one of the least convincing I've ever read. You also fail to assume good faith. Daniel Case ( talk) 15:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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At RFPP I requested protection before the edit-war and fail to see this move as an attempt to protect the right version. Also you have denied my unblock because of what exactly? Reverting to a version before the edit-war started couldn't be seen as wrong doing because I have talked about it at Tan's talk page and at RFPP. I think that another admin should look to see if there is any chance to review my doing about the article. Did I delete something or insert sourced material. Why Daniel Case sees it his way is beyond me but I have assumed good faith even the other editor used provocations, faul language and accusations instead of arguments. I have tryed to RfC but was stopped because apparently Pietru ceased disrupting, but did he stop his trolling. No he did not, he continued. Nevertheless of my current block I will try RfC once more. -- Imbris ( talk) 17:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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revert warring is nto allowed even if you have attempted to start discussions. Discussions are to be carried on instead of reverting the article, and merely because you left notifications of your intents on talk pages does not then excuse edit warring at the article. Since I see no indication that you intend to stop the behavior that led to this block, I see no reason as yet to unblock. Jayron32. talk. contribs 18:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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Would you agree to refrain from editing the article in question and immediately start a detailed RfC if you were unblocked? I will unblock with this stipulation. Tan | 39 19:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I demand you apologise for characterising my edits on the Maltese dog article as 'trolling'. The issues are being dealt with in a suitable fashion at last, as you will remember, I called for admins too. However slander will not be tolerated, especially in light of my approach to your work. 汚い危険きつい ( talk) 22:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
This lack of decency is the true grievance. You have not simply presumed upon but denigrated my character, nationality, edits and identity. This is all. 汚い危険きつい ( talk) 23:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
"Then all of history sections in all of dog breed articles should be renamed Disputed history, except from the part from when standardization started?"
Yes, why not, except that for many breeds, there is an "accepted" version of breed history - it's not "disputed" unless someone starts an argument. Can I try to interpret what you mean by " except from the part from when standardization started"? Do you mean before the breeds had written documentation and record keeping of their ancestry? A breed is defined by its ancestry. Dogs in ancient times in various places may have had a similar appearance, but that does not prove they were related; only knowing their ancestry proves a relationship. Today we can find some of that information about dogs with DNA testing, but formerly the only way was through written or oral records of breeding and ancestry. Before record keeping, all we have are listings of dog types that looked similar or the same but may or may not have bred true, or even been related in any way. Those types were throughout history sometimes documented -- as with the oral records of the Bedouin about their sighthounds' ancestry or records of Pekinese breeding in Imperial China. Many ancient records like that are lost through time. Unless there is proof, through DNA tests or written records, that specific old types of dogs are related to a specific modern breed, all the ancient history before record keeping is guesswork. -- Hafwyn ( talk) 00:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give Stjepan Vukčić Kosača a different title by copying its content and pasting it into another page with a different name. This is known as a " cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.
In most cases, once your account is four days and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other articles that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. – Drilnoth ( T • C) 18:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Please refrain from comments like this in which you call an editor a "known pranskter" who "makes fun of Wikipedia." That's a personal attack and behavior like that can get you blocked. Comments like that are going to make the discussion degenerate into a war; they have already led to the article being protected. Mango juice talk 15:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
“ | If Kosače were Orthodox in the first place their faith were under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and most certainly not under the Serbian Orthodox Church of Peć Stop inserting modernity. | ” |
Whats your question exactly? I'm a bit puzzled PRODUCER ( talk) 19:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I support Dzole's judgment, the editors who oppose him openly admitted not knowing the history of Yugoslavia and failed to provide good arguments. PRODUCER ( talk) 21:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Out of question that this women is Frankopan.
In article we are having statement: "his family split from the Frankopans in the 14th century". Funny thing about this is that family is taking Frankopan name only in 15 century. First time they are called Frankopan in document from 1422 ! [3]
Vjekoslav Klaić croatian historian has writen that only Swedish line of Frankopan dynasty has survived until 20 century. This line has become separated during Kalmar Union when son of "first" Frankopan has become Eric of Pomerania governor.-- Rjecina ( talk) 20:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand why you refuse to discuss this, and just resort to reverting?
Your claim about SOC first introduced in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1905 is simply false. That is why I am reverting - it is simple as that.
Where is the precise dispute? I invite you once more to give up on the edit war and approach a calm discussion on the issue. -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 09:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Imbris, do NOT start this again. Read the talkpage, maybe twice, internalize what it's trying to tell you and stop with the agenda. Are you serious about your 'island of Malta' distinction? Raise it on the talkpage. Pietru ( talk) 04:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello, your input is requested at Template talk:PD-Yugoslavia. Thank you, -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I never wrote the song titles like that? The countries were not entered under written like that so only the English shall remain. Grk1011/Stephen ( talk) 12:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
This is your final warning for edit warring on Maltese (dog). Any further reverts/warring - especially with Pietru - and you will be blocked, this time for a longer period. Tan | 39 21:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
"I'm warning you" WHAT A COMPLETE ARSEHOLE !!!!! Ignore Mangojuice. He, she or it can assert itself in the real world and so tries to do it here. Can't even give it's real name. Too frightened. What a wimp. Out in the real world, Mangojuice would get the shit kicked out of him if he acted like this.
I've created a move request at Wikipedia:Requested moves per your suggestion at the article's talk page. GregorB ( talk) 08:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Austria has a more central-western European culture related to the culture in (southern) Germany, Hungary has a very unique central European culture. That these countries once ruled over parts of the Mediterranean does not make them Mediterranean cultures. They neither have a Mediterranean flora, fauna or climate. Their languages, except for the few ethnically Austrian and Hungarian people who stayed on after the Habsburg empire disintegrated, do not feature in the Mediterranean area. Traditional Austrian and Hungarian cuisine have very little to do with the Mediterranean either as they do not use olive oil (fairly typical for all Mediterranean cultures) nor salt-water fish. It is for these reasons that I have deleted the countries from the list of countries which border the Mediterranean. Takeaway ( talk) 23:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
In the 1930's and '40s, an estimated 100,000 "White Croatians" or known as Byelo-Harvats and somewhat 50,000 "White Sorbians" or Lusitic Serbians lived in present-day Poland, the majority around the Krakow region. The peoples were descendants of a small influx of transplanted Serbo-Croatians whom arrived in the 16th to late 18th centuries, when eastern Silesia and southern Slovincia was under Austrian rule (the Austro-Hungarian Empire). But then came the Nazis German invasion of Poland in 1939, followed by the Soviet invasion of Nazi-occupied Poland in May 1945 and finally, the Communist takeover of the Polish government in 1947 has forcibly pressured the entire White Croat/Serbian population out of the Krakow region of Poland. Almost all the Byelo-Harvats and Lusitic Serbians emigrated to the United States, though Polish-Canadian and Croatian-Canadian organizations mentioned Canada was another major destination for them, and the rest in other neutral host nations like Sweden, Spain and Argentina. To make matters complicated is the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia under communism as well wasn't the land of choice for ethnic Croats or Serbs from Poland. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 05:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:White_Croats" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.2.206 ( talk)
Hello, I reverted the edit you made to Neven Jurica as his having been the Ambassador to the U.S. was already mentioned in the first sentence of the career section. Just wanted to let you knowwhy I reverted it. Javier MC 08:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I provided a WP:3O at Talk:Bosnian_American#Third_Opinion. I hope—but cannot guarantee!—that it will be useful to you and the project. I will keep the talk page on my watchlist for a short time in case my response to any follow-up comments/concerns would be helpful to achieving consensus. Best wishes! GreenGourd ( talk) 21:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've responded on the article talk page and reverted to his version. Long story short, I think WP policy specifically prohibits controversial categorization such as this; we can discuss that on the article talk page. As for COM's use of Twinkle, please don't take it as if he thinks you are vandalizing. There is some bad blood between you two, but Twinkle is just a tool and its use does not imply one position or another. The only time I would call use of Twinkle abusive is if used in a content dispute in order to aggressively revert without discussion. In other words, I think it's okay for anyone to revert anything with Twinkle so long as they provide an edit summary explaining themselves and don't revert-war with it.
Finally as to Caius, I wouldn't disapprove of calling him "personal physician to the English royal family in the 16th century" or "in the Elizabethan era" but it certainly seems much clunkier and it certainly wouldn't be my first choice. I don't like just calling him an English physician, it makes it sound as if we are denigrating his expertise; I would prefer no label or just calling him English to that solution, but on balance I don't like either of those ideas either: it's a history section and mentioning Queen Elizabeth I both identifies the time and place of Caius -- it's elegant writing and I see no reason to change it.
Just FYI, I haven't abandoned this article, but I have real-life concerns that are pressing right now. Next month I plan to start looking at this article some more, with an eye to expanding the history section to discuss more than just the origins issue (including adding the Clement of Alexandria bit back... I just couldn't see how to integrate that text without a general expansion of the section). Mango juice talk 20:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
It is one thing to implement the proper term (synonym) for Serbo-Croatian used in SR Croatia, it is an entirely different thing to start pushing it in as some sort of supposedly "separate" language. I suggest you bring this theory of yours to Talk:Serbo-Croatian language before making any more absurd undiscussed edits. "Serbo-Croatian language" is the most common term in English, far more common than "Croato-Serbian language", "Croatian or Serbian language", "Serbian, Croatian, or Slovene language" or any other alternative name used throughout the past century. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Na kojem jeziku je napisano ovo pitanje? Je li to:
Mislim, možemo se mi praviti blesavi do mile volje, no dokle god se radi o jednom te istom dijalektu (praktički identično stilizirana novoštokavština), nema se tu što puno filozofirati. Puno više smisla ima pričati o nekakovom "američkom jeziku" (koji već dugo i ima vlastite rječnike, gramatike, izgovor) nego o "standardnom hrvatskom" za vrijeme SFRJ. Evo jedan filmić za tebe: [5], vjerojatno si već vidio ali malo humora ne škodi za otrežnjenje ^_^ -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 22:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Weird, you ask me questions but (respectfully?) tell me not to write here anymore. Lucky I don't have to listen to you, huh? Just delete then :)
But it is a place for your outbursts, apparently. This is not vandalization, look it up. Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 01:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
One interesting quote [6]
For those not affected by nationalisistic passions, it is reasonable to date the birth of the modern Croatian language as June 25, 1991, the date on which Croatia (and Slovenia) declared its indepdence from Yugoslavia.
This is generally how foreign-language linguists perceive the issue, believe it or not :) I also recommend reading Wayles Browne's chapter on Serbo-Croatian in the big Slavic languagea monograph by Routledge, as well as reading literature older than 220 years (i.e. in pre-nationalist times), on the ex-SFRJ territory, and comparing the frequency of appearance of Croatian ethnicon as opposed to general non-ethnical appelations like Slavic, Dalmatian, Slavonian or Ilyrian. Cheers :) -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 23:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Dobar dan, Imbris!
Thanks for bringing the deletion of my citation tag to my attention. That quote glaringly needs a source and I will re-add the tag. As for the various names of the various kingdoms, I really don't want to get involved there... I don't know much about the history of Croatia-Slavonia but I will look at the article and see if there is a clearer way to specify that it was autonomous within the KoH....
Best, K. Lásztocska talk 18:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello Imbris, the reference you added here does not support the specific claim made in the article, that Lazar Popovski was the only Macedonian independent Olympic participant in 1992. The reference you added doesn't even say he competed in 1992, let alone the fact that he was the only Macedonian. You need a source to precisely confirm the statement you added to the article. The closest source I can find is to look at each of the 58 biographies linked from here to check the birthplaces, but that may be original research to do so. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 22:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. My edit-warring restriction, hardly a "severe penalty", lasted one year: it is over. and the other guy that got it ended up banned: proving that he was a fanatic who could not stop revert-warring to push his edit. Besides, I didn't see you reverting him trying to depict half of Croatia as Italian in all but name. Where were you when half of the articles on Croatian cities and history were sporting Italian instead of the "beloved" Croatian language?
As for the current situation: we'll likely both bet blocked for a significant period, probably an equal period. You introduced the recent changes and are now edit-warring to keep them in, even though they were plainly contested by more than one User. These are the simple facts obvious to anyone viewing the history page, but then they likely won't matter to the Admins... I'd call them in to mediate but I don't want to get blocked before the edit-war you started gets spotted on its own (which should be any day now).
Oh, and the page might get protected too. Those poor guys probably think you'll actually discuss while the article is blocked LoL... Knowing you, if the article happens to get protected with your version on you'll be all happy and cease discussions. You'll probably think you "won", too... --
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"Cat and mouse games"?? I just told you, in detail, why there's no point in discussing: we will get blocked if we don't stop reverting. Just imagine I'm an "admin" and I'm telling you this, because its that certain. I'm willing to start a proper discussion, and reset everything. We'll get the issues related to Serbo-Croatian to Talk:Serbo-Croatian and issues related to the article itself right there, in seperate sections so we don't have to run a segmented discussion. Just please stop for now. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
You're edit-warring again. Ok, look: I simply reverted back to the last version of the article prior to the introduction of the edits we are edit warring over. I then added the non-controversial edits.
I said: "we revert all the way back to the point before you first introduced your changes" and you stated you agree to that, and listed the exceptions you wanted. Why are you re-introducing the very thing we were edit-warring over!? I'm telling you, man, we need to stop this now...
(The Tiso's Slovakia thing is ok, I didn't see that.) --
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In request to the request for informal mediation, I'm going to give you guys a hand-can you see the Hey Slavs talk page please- Talk:Hey,_Slavs#Informal_Mediation. Thanks! Dotty••| TALK 14:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Imbris, I have left a message on the Hey Slavs talk page, but thought I'd leave one here as well. Unfortunately it seems that you do not want to budge on this issue at all & as a neutral observer, I'm leaning towards the arguments of the other guys, as more neutral & functional. I hope that by alerting you to the fact that it is your arguments that are the less neutral, you will see that by constantly opposing efforts on the talk page, you will get nowhere & may result in a change being forced through against your will. It would be much better for you if you were able to cooperate with the process, because then you could have an effect on the end solution, rather than merely being a bystander. I look forward to your reply. Dotty••| ☎ 07:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I have read all the arguments & understand both sides, however in this case I'm going to have to lean towards Direktor & Ivan's case. By all means, in the lede we will clarify the differences in names in Serbo-Croation & Croato-Serbian. With regard to the Montegrin language, once it's named as an official language, I agree that it should be implemented in the article, but not until then. So I think that Serbo-Croation(with its two variations), Slovene & Macedonian should be the only languages in the article. Although I can see where you are coming from, from what I can see, these are the most official/most federal languages from the historic period.
Although I don't expect you to agree with this, this is the most neutral & least POV solution, from a neutral observer. If you have any large queries please feel free to ask, but we will try to implement it in the next few days. I therefore ask you not to try to change it again once agreed & changed, because a consensus has been reached. Thanks!
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I will explain once more why his edit does not make any sense. This is not a matter of national pride.
In a nutshell – it will be a logical fallacy to alter the quote of the character itself. Had he called himself a "Croatian Mountain Hound," we would still be obligated to quote him correctly instead of trying to be smartasses. This is comedy we're speaking of. Let me propose a compromise:
Triumph was identified in early appearances as a Yugoslavian Mountain Hound (a dog breed which is now known as Montenegrin Mountain Hound)...
My concern is that it would appear somewhat "clumsy," while the sheer reference to "Montenegrin" obscures the reader. Again, I am reminding you all that Wikipedia exists for the readers, therefore we as editors must do everything to ease on the reader as much as possible instead of bickering over the correctness of dog breed names. 87.69.130.159 ( talk) 04:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
87.69.130.159 ( talk) 12:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
It can be traced to a very remote period of history. Some of the old authors speak of it as the dog which in the times of ancient mythology Diana presented to Procris. Pliny describes in enthusiastic terms the combat of one of them with a lion, and afterwards with an elephant. A dog very much resembling the ancient stories is yet found in Albania, and most of the districts of Greece. He is almost as large as a mastiff, with long and silky hair, the legs being shorter and stronger than those of the greyhound. He is gentle and tractable with those whom he knows, and when there is no point of duty at stake; but no bribe can seduce him from his post when any trust is committed to him.
[This dog, it is very probable, was highly impregnated with molossian blood, and like that animal, was trained both for war and the chase. It is rather doubtful, whether the dogs presented to Alexander the Great by the king of Albania, were those of his own country or some that he had obtained from other parts. We are inclined to believe that they were imported dogs, for Pliny distinctly states, that these two were all that the generous monarch possessed, and if destroyed could not be replaced. From this circumstance it is natural to suppose, that, if these dogs had been native Albanians, the king would have been able to supply any reasonable quantity of them, and, therefore, not necessitated to send this message to Alexander. On the other hand, if these dogs had been of the pure molossian type, such as were raised in Epirus, it is probable that their huge dimensions would not have surprised this monarch so much, as it is reasonable to believe that Alexander would certainly have seen, if not heard, of dogs so remarkable, belonging to a kingdom in immediate contiguity with his own. We are, therefore, forced to look to some other source, from whence came these proud dogs, who alone deigned to contend with the lion and elephant, and must yield to Strabo, who states that these animals were of the Indian breed.-- Taulant23 ( talk) 06:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you might be interested in this: http://montenegro.wikkii.com . Looks like Crnogorska Enciklopedija has been unofficially reincarnated. -- Prevalis ( talk) 16:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Jos mi nisi odgovorio na mk-wikipediji. Cekam odgovor. Pozdrav
PS. taj "79.103.200.19" nisam ja, ako si slucajno to pomislio. Contributions/93.219.254.68 ( talk) 18:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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I though you would like to join as you edit Montenegrin articles. Rave92( talk) 11:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not on anyone's side here, but since I have a poor knowlege of Croatian history at that point, could you possibly elaborate at all? I'm somewhat confused. Just so I'm clear, and because you are not limited here in the amount of characters. I'm hazarding a guess that you believe it was not official, and that the arms shown on Socialist Republic of Croatia was in use from 1943, the foundation of the state, I believe. Is this correct? Could I ask you to stop editing on this issue, as I have done with User:DIREKTOR until we resolve this factual content dispute please? - Jarry1250 [ humourous – discuss ] 19:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict). The argument made by Imbris, I believe, is that the icon in question constituted an emblem of the government, but not a coat of arms. If this is Imbris' viewpoint, then I consider that it should be included in the article, but in a way that makes it clear that it was never declared a legal coat of arms (lacking any evidence to the contrary). Such articles do cover items similar to coats of arms, irrespective of their exact nature, in my experience. I'd like to here Imbris' exact view first. - Jarry1250 [ humourous – discuss ] 19:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The commons:File:SR Croatia coa.png was used from 1945, officialy adopted by the Constitution of the People's Republic of Croatia in 1947. It was protected at WIPO at 1967-07-11. Those years are in connection with the "Coat of arms" (in heraldry: Emblem). The Federal State of Croatia was a provisional name adopted on 1944-05-09. ZAVNOH as a provisional government started in 1943. This is why the article on the Socialist Republic of Croatia stated 1943-1990.
This one was not used in the heading of documents. By the "opinion" of Janko Ehrlich - Zdvorak (26 August 2001)
“ | It is a seal with an inscription Federalna država Hrvatska (Federal State of Croatia) over a coat-of-arms in the centre and Tehnički fakultet, Zagreb (Technical Faculty, Zagreb) below. The another one was pictured on a tax stamp. | ” |
Those two are the only appearances of that decorative motiff. It was never used as a "Coat of arms" nor as an Emblem. The decorative motiff might have been used by only one faculty of the University of Zagreb, this doesn't make it an official emblem of the Government despite what DIREKTOR might belive.
Imbris ( talk) 20:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, if both you guys agree... but its a mistake in my view. If the image wasn't a CoA, then it should be presented and its correct usage explained. Its not made-up, its a "real seal" :)
Imbris, I actually made that flag myself (quite easily, I might add) by closely following the dimensions on that page. Its mine. --
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Imbris, I'm hurt. You don't trust me? And after all we've been through together... :) Like I said, I used the exact pixel ratio so as not to make a mistake with the flag proportions. If that's your objective 3O Jarry, I respect it. Thanks for your time. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
In short: we should write "Serbo-Croatian" because that's the predominant usage in English. Dual forms (srpskohrvatski/hrvatskosrpski) existed solely for the reasons of "balance" or "parity" in the former Yugoslav federation, because pushing srpskohrvatski at the expense of hrvatskosrpski could have been perceived as favorizing Serbian at the expense of Croatian. Such considerations, however, did not apply outside the SFRY, and they hardly apply anywhere now: at any rate, it is unclear to me what there is to gain - given the realities of the year 2009 - by substituting "Serbo-Croatian" with "Croato-Serbian" in the SR Croatia article.
I did not have the time to look at the other issues you raised, I'll get back later today or perhaps tomorrow. GregorB ( talk) 09:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Prestani vandalizirat članak Hej Slaveni, sljedeći put ćeš biti prijavljen adminima. -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 03:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
You will see that I posted here large list of sources where name "Voivodeship of Serbia" is used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Voivodeship_of_Serbia_and_Banat_of_Temeschwar#Article_title If you read that page and see these sources, you will not have any base to claim that "the title of this entity was never Voivodeship of Serbia". it is clear that it was, and not only that, but it is used in large majorits of sources that I saw. If you want to move article title again, then, please try to prove that majority of sources use name that you proposing. By the way, the most important reference in this field would be a title of habsburg emperor, and, as you can see, it is "Grand Voivode of the Voivodina of Serbia" ("Großwojwode der Wojwodschaft Serbien"): http://www.thomasgraz.net/glass/fj1titel.htm PANONIAN 21:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Imbris, I've responded to you post on Talk:Hey, Slavs. (If you feel these notes are unnecessary, please make a note of that) Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 22:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Imbris, I've responded to you post on Talk:Hey, Slavs. (If you feel these notes are unnecessary, please make a note of that) Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
There does seem to be an ongoing conflict between yourself and User:DIREKTOR. Perhaps mediation would help the two of you work through it and make editing less confrontational and more productive. AniMate draw 16:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've opened an ANI discussion about my interactions with User:Notpietru, it can be found here: WP:ANI#User:Pietru / User:Notpietru and Maltese (dog). It's not really about you, but since it does discuss you, you should be made aware of it. Mango juice talk 16:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Imbris. This message is to inform you that a discussion regarding your conduct has been started at ANI. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Imbris. Thank you. Ale_Jrb talk 10:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
That may well be, but nothing in that addresses the point: the name being in unilateral circulation does not validate a special article, the control exercised by a military leader during a political hiatus does not mean a new political entity was created, and the internal borders of Austria-Hungary, beyond various documented or imagined claims, stand as the de facto and de jure reality. So there were those Croats who did not recognize the borders and preferred another name for the same entity; using your logic, one would have to start detaching or incorporating various parts of Cisleithania whose representative political groups wanted the United States of Greater Austria, or unite Austria with Germany (these analogies just to stay in the lines of political alternatives offered within Austria-Hungary, and not throughout the world). That kind of jump to conclusions is fiction, not researched historical reality.
I assure you I have read your post, only it's frankly irrelevant to the subject, and relies on a fallacy. Dahn ( talk) 20:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Please cool it. You are DIREKTOR are having a series of seriously silly fights over Eurovision and flags. Either this is nationalism taken to ridiculously lame extremes or one, or both of you, is revert-warring just because you don't get along. Which would be fine, we're it not for the rules against such things. I'd be slightly more sympathetic if this was all over important stuff, but flags? Eurovision? Please.
This is a gently worded warning before I start laying on the sanctions. Please take note of it. Thank you. Moreschi ( talk) 23:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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I've had enough of your comments. One more comment like this or edit summaries like this, this or this and I will issue severe discretionary sanctions against you. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 09:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear Ricky,
I have done my best at WP:AGF on the edits and other contributions (e.g. discussions) of Mr. DIREKTOR. On the other hand he continually calls me a nationalist, ultra-nationalist, and even worse name calling. He believes my editing is a disruption, vandalism, biased, etc. He has launched several attempts of discrediting my character, none of those attempts proved successful.
I see that Mr. DIREKTOR considers the Hey, Slavs article worthy of getting himself blocked for WP:3RR, we could have both be included in that offence of the rules, but I have always tried to stay cool and discuss, latest of my attempts was contacting Eleassar, who protected the article (even if I did not ask him to do so). Eleassar as an administrator and editor of that article can say something about Mr. DIREKTOR's conduct. User:Zocky also expressed his opinion, but Mr. DIREKTOR could not care less.
Mr. DIREKTOR also canvassed Mr. Ivan Štambuk to the Hey, Slavs article, to intervene in his behalf. Knowing for the POV of Mr. Ivan Štambuk, that only Serbo-Croatian language exist and all other Central South Slavic languages do not, plus his belief that Croatian language is a neo-Ustashi construct, the calling for his POV was a canvassing and nothing less.
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Two choices: either file your silly Checkuser or stop accusing me of being a sockpuppet. For the record, I'm not quite that stupid to make myself different accounts for different talkpage discussions. If I want to oppose your POV-pushing on all the other talkpages where you wage your many edit-wars, I'd just go there and do it. Please file a Checkuser asap and educate yourself as to just how many different users are outraged at your behavior. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 11:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
You can't say you weren't warned. You are blocked for 72 hours for revert-warring and per WP:ARBMAC you are limited to one revert per page per day for the next 6 weeks. Violation of this sanction will be met with further blocks and escalation of the sanction. Thank you. Moreschi ( talk) 21:50, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Edit-warring, I have provided a source at Coats of arms of the Yugoslav Socialist Republics. I have downsized the number of reverts, and expected Mr. DIREKTOR to do the same. ARBMAC is intended for Macedonia, Dalmatia and Kosovo, or? -- Imbris ( talk) 21:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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I've reviewed the discussion at WP:ANI, and you don't appear to be addressing the reason for your block, which is persistent pushing of a nationalistic point of view. FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 22:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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I, a nationalist? I edit with sources and that is it. This block is against any policy. Because if it were under the policy, then the other editor would be blocked as well. The requestor of the action (Mr. DIREKTOR) failed to mention that he declined answering on the talk pages, that Mr. DIREKTOR used edit-war method on a massive scale, and the blocking administrator failed to see that I have not used the edit-war on all the subjects where Mr. DIREKTOR and I were included. On the other hand Mr. DIREKTOR continued flamatory acts of incivility and revert-warring (without even filling the edit summary properly.) The blocking administrator should have a look on attempts by DIREKTOR to defame my character at User talk:Ricky81682, User talk:AniMate. The request of Mr. DIREKTOR contains wording to imply POV but fail to produce any reliable diff of such offence. He has provided diffs that portray a perpetual edit-war by Mr. DIREKTOR on all the articles and templates listed at his friend AniMate (friend because they have almost equall opinions. The block is unjust, nobody called me to that ANI, and the blocking admin did not warn DIREKTOR and did not block DIREKTOR and did not notify me of an ANI (on two separate occasions). And the fact that the blocking admin thinks I deserve the indef block because I edited on Eurovision and Flags is particular. -- Imbris ( talk) 22:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Please read WP:NOTTHEM and try again. Sandstein 05:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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User:DIREKTOR is a notorious POV warrior and you can request Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations against him because he is suspected sock of user:No.13 and user:AlasdairGreen27. His negationism of ethnic cleansing against Italians in Istria and Dalmatia is political agenda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.97.40.14 ( talk) 08:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I had considered opening a proposal to move that article title, but was advised not to. Why was the current title chosen? it's confusing. Either the guy was 'King of Croatia' or he wasn't (he claims he wasn't).
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Croatia was a part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, 1929 to 1945. GoodDay ( talk) 23:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Be advised that this time you may expect a full report shall be filed on any and all violations of WP:CANVASS on your part (including hrWiki and e-mail). The report will be placed in the context of your previous behavior. I will not idly stand by this time if I notice your MEATPUPPET buddies joining in. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Tomislav II of Croatia, 4th Duke of Aosta, you will be blocked for vandalism. Crotchety Old Man ( talk) 15:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright Imbris. This has become a flame war, and it needs to stop. Ignore DIREKTOR, ignore the ANI thread. If DIREKTOR attacks, he'll get blocked, and no one will respect you any less. In the mean time you are closer to a block than he is, so be careful. Nezzadar ☎ 00:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm content with allowing Tomislav II & King of Croatia being in the article content. As for the Infobox & Navobxes? I'm content aswell, as long as '(disputed)' is placed there. GoodDay ( talk) 19:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Please, see Talk:Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar. -- Mladifilozof ( talk) 23:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
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Lets look at the facts here. First please be civil, I never expressed or implied that I am "deciding" what ethnicity someone is or going against the wishes of his father (which seems a weird thing to say since you have presented no source saying what his "will" actually is). In fact when I disagreed with the original removal of Weird Al from the article I answered with a source. You have alleged this source is wrong but haven't given a reason except pointing toward an article which says he is American and the Weird Al website which says he is Yugoslavian. We know that being Yugoslavian doesn't mean you are always Serbian, but that doesn't mean being Yugoslavian means you are never Serbian. We know Yankovic is a Serbian name and, thought this is a weak argument, the editors of Serbs and List of Serbs have listed Weird Al as Serbian. As for Weird Al's website, and I admit this is speculation, there is no evidence about when it was last updated and in fact it could date before the dissolution of Yugoslavia and was written in an effort to make it easier for the average American to understand his ethnicity. As for the article, saying someone has an American ethnicity is deceptive because most Americans have different ethnic heritages, though there are some who claim it such as in the south. A Yugoslavian ethnicity is also deceptive considering the nation once contained several different ethnic groups and the name for the country itself just meant "South Slavia" or "Land of South Slavs."
I'm willing to compromise but the only way I could see it happening is if we get a neutral third party to look into our dispute. Until then I will continue to do research as I hope you will also. Zombie Hunter Smurf ( talk) 00:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Please accept my apologies for my changes to the Yugoslavia at the Olympics article. I did not understand the complexity of the situation. For the past couple of days, I've been attempting to reconcile the differences between the All-time Olympic Games medal table article and the individual <country> at the Olympics articles, mostly fixing missing and incomplete Beijing medal counts. Not counting Germany and a slight inconsistency in the Russia vs Russian Empire distinction, the Yugoslavia medal counts were the sole remaining discrepancy, which I was attempting to correct. As I now see, I should have done more research before acting (such as actually reading and following the Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics link at the top of the article).
However, I did locate the Yugoslavia at the 1996 Summer Olympics article (and the 1998 Winter, and 2000 Summer, and 2002 Winter articles) whose "summary" links refer back to the Yugoslavia at Olympics article. Perhaps the links should be updated refer to the Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics article. And as you already noted, the All-time Olympic Games medal table should probably also be updated to show the distinction.
I'd be happy to make some of these changes to improve cross-article consistency – subject to discussion and review of course.
By the way, I did drop a note on the WikiProject Olympics talk page, so I don't think I was totally out of control, just a bit too WP:BOLD. -- Tcncv ( talk) 03:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I keep the word "erased", but please you can't erase part of the voice. Also note that their original surname is "DElupis" so, please, stop to erase it. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.81.229.33 ( talk) 18:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
a bulgarian user implies propaganda into thje article! Korpas ( talk) 17:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
A Bulgarian user implies objective explainatoins and scientific studies. The Macedonists, blind reverts and nonsences. Regards! Jingby ( talk) 19:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I forget to use the "Show preview" button too. - 4.240.165.138 ( talk) 03:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Imbris! Please don't unilaterally change things on Wikipedia without discussing first. I left a comment on the talk page almost a week ago and you haven't replied, so I am left to assume that you do not object to what I said (see also WP:BRD). Unilateral moves without discussion or proper argument may result in a block from editing Wikipedia. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Kindly stop introducing false information into the article; refer to the history section. No classical sources mention any Croatian origin; pushing your national bias is not acceptable. the roof of this court is too high to be yours ( talk) 05:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Maltese (dog), you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Tool2Die4 ( talk) 01:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I've started an AN/I thread here regarding your edit-warring. Tool2Die4 ( talk) 13:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I understand that just fine, saw it already. I just wanted to revert back to the time when both of you didn't exist. Elm-39 - T/ C 12:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
While "Bosnian and Herzegnovinan American" would be more technically correct than "Bosnian American", the latter is the commonly used term. WP:COMMONNAME PRODUCER ( TALK) 21:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure which part of 'I'm washing my hands of this' you fail to understand, nor what precisely it is you're jabbering about. I have distanced myself from your work on the project entirely, I suggest you get on with whatever it is you are here to do. Cheers, את אמא כל כך שמנה, היא יושבת ליד כולם ( talk) 22:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
So...you didn't do the user conduct RFC right so I reverted some of the related edits. [1] [2]
If you're going to pursue a user conduct RFC against Pietru il-Boqli ( talk · contribs), you need to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct and Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on users. I may be willing to certify such an RFC, but only if Pietru il-Boqli is actually still active in the relevant disputes.
If you're just trying to get wider opinions on the content issue, Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on articles, templates, or categories has the relevant information and doesn't require any certification. — Scien tizzle 19:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I suggest we call admin/s in again, I'm afraid I really have had enough of you and your attitude. The article does not benefit from constant back-and-forth reverting and pernicious tampering.
I apologise for pointing out your various grammatical/syntactical mistakes, I hope you'll find the means to correct them in your own time. Regarding your presumptions of my ancestry, it's English and Maltese. I think I have a fair idea about yours already. Cheers, 汚い危険きつい ( talk) 19:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Maltese (dog). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Crotchety Old Man ( talk) 01:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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05:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Imbris ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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Most of the discussion at the Talk:Maltese (dog) was my attempts to state reasons, list sources, find compromise and also list other wikipedia's articles which use the exact same Other names pattern as should the article on Maltese Dog. Also I have attempted to discuss the matter on User talk:Tanthalas39#Maltese (dog) while the protection was in place. Pietru was blocked during this time and also blocked was his talk page. I knew that RFPP is the right thing to do but also knew that admins could not see eye to eye with me and not revert to a version before the edit-war. In fact I reverted to Pietru's own edit (before the edit-war). I do not see how this could be misinterpreted as edit-waring because I did talk, I did make my intention clear (reverting to the last version before the edit-war). I made my reasons clear - bringing Pietru to the discussion table. I did not shut down and revert just as it was an ordinary edit. I talked and talked but Pietru "washed his hands of me" and ceased talking; but he did not "wash his hands of the article he is not interested in" and of my edits to the article. Why am I getting blocked? I did nothing wrong but Pietru's sock is doing it just now. Also I would like to mention that Tanthalas39 wants you to look at the my talk page and doesn't mention that Pietru is on wikipedia longer than I, has a few more edits than I but his (Pietru's) talk page is virtualy blank because he deletes his talk page allmost after every new section of that talk page. I mention this because it seems that the Tanthalas39 wants my block to be in force because of my talk page omitting the fact that I have not been blocked previous my incounter with Pietru. -- Imbris ( talk) 13:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Decline reason:
As you say, you "knew that RFPP is the right thing to do". That's where that should have stopped. There is no qualifier for that, and your attempt to provide one for it by using the ever-popular " wrong version" argument is one of the least convincing I've ever read. You also fail to assume good faith. Daniel Case ( talk) 15:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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Request reason:
At RFPP I requested protection before the edit-war and fail to see this move as an attempt to protect the right version. Also you have denied my unblock because of what exactly? Reverting to a version before the edit-war started couldn't be seen as wrong doing because I have talked about it at Tan's talk page and at RFPP. I think that another admin should look to see if there is any chance to review my doing about the article. Did I delete something or insert sourced material. Why Daniel Case sees it his way is beyond me but I have assumed good faith even the other editor used provocations, faul language and accusations instead of arguments. I have tryed to RfC but was stopped because apparently Pietru ceased disrupting, but did he stop his trolling. No he did not, he continued. Nevertheless of my current block I will try RfC once more. -- Imbris ( talk) 17:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Decline reason:
revert warring is nto allowed even if you have attempted to start discussions. Discussions are to be carried on instead of reverting the article, and merely because you left notifications of your intents on talk pages does not then excuse edit warring at the article. Since I see no indication that you intend to stop the behavior that led to this block, I see no reason as yet to unblock. Jayron32. talk. contribs 18:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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unblock|I belive that it was not edit-waring, because I have reverted to a position that was before the last edit-war. When I say the last edit-war I mean the last time before Pietru's trolling. I promise that I will not under no circumstances revert the article again. I will seak administrative help in resolving the crisis of demands made by certain admins that I should: withdrew, take a wikibreak, seek dispute resolutions, protect the article at its version before the last edit-war. The only thing I am asking for, is to be unblocked so that I might seek help on the issues. --
Imbris (
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19:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)}}
Would you agree to refrain from editing the article in question and immediately start a detailed RfC if you were unblocked? I will unblock with this stipulation. Tan | 39 19:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I demand you apologise for characterising my edits on the Maltese dog article as 'trolling'. The issues are being dealt with in a suitable fashion at last, as you will remember, I called for admins too. However slander will not be tolerated, especially in light of my approach to your work. 汚い危険きつい ( talk) 22:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
This lack of decency is the true grievance. You have not simply presumed upon but denigrated my character, nationality, edits and identity. This is all. 汚い危険きつい ( talk) 23:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
"Then all of history sections in all of dog breed articles should be renamed Disputed history, except from the part from when standardization started?"
Yes, why not, except that for many breeds, there is an "accepted" version of breed history - it's not "disputed" unless someone starts an argument. Can I try to interpret what you mean by " except from the part from when standardization started"? Do you mean before the breeds had written documentation and record keeping of their ancestry? A breed is defined by its ancestry. Dogs in ancient times in various places may have had a similar appearance, but that does not prove they were related; only knowing their ancestry proves a relationship. Today we can find some of that information about dogs with DNA testing, but formerly the only way was through written or oral records of breeding and ancestry. Before record keeping, all we have are listings of dog types that looked similar or the same but may or may not have bred true, or even been related in any way. Those types were throughout history sometimes documented -- as with the oral records of the Bedouin about their sighthounds' ancestry or records of Pekinese breeding in Imperial China. Many ancient records like that are lost through time. Unless there is proof, through DNA tests or written records, that specific old types of dogs are related to a specific modern breed, all the ancient history before record keeping is guesswork. -- Hafwyn ( talk) 00:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give Stjepan Vukčić Kosača a different title by copying its content and pasting it into another page with a different name. This is known as a " cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.
In most cases, once your account is four days and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other articles that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. – Drilnoth ( T • C) 18:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Please refrain from comments like this in which you call an editor a "known pranskter" who "makes fun of Wikipedia." That's a personal attack and behavior like that can get you blocked. Comments like that are going to make the discussion degenerate into a war; they have already led to the article being protected. Mango juice talk 15:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
“ | If Kosače were Orthodox in the first place their faith were under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and most certainly not under the Serbian Orthodox Church of Peć Stop inserting modernity. | ” |
Whats your question exactly? I'm a bit puzzled PRODUCER ( talk) 19:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I support Dzole's judgment, the editors who oppose him openly admitted not knowing the history of Yugoslavia and failed to provide good arguments. PRODUCER ( talk) 21:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Out of question that this women is Frankopan.
In article we are having statement: "his family split from the Frankopans in the 14th century". Funny thing about this is that family is taking Frankopan name only in 15 century. First time they are called Frankopan in document from 1422 ! [3]
Vjekoslav Klaić croatian historian has writen that only Swedish line of Frankopan dynasty has survived until 20 century. This line has become separated during Kalmar Union when son of "first" Frankopan has become Eric of Pomerania governor.-- Rjecina ( talk) 20:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand why you refuse to discuss this, and just resort to reverting?
Your claim about SOC first introduced in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1905 is simply false. That is why I am reverting - it is simple as that.
Where is the precise dispute? I invite you once more to give up on the edit war and approach a calm discussion on the issue. -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 09:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Imbris, do NOT start this again. Read the talkpage, maybe twice, internalize what it's trying to tell you and stop with the agenda. Are you serious about your 'island of Malta' distinction? Raise it on the talkpage. Pietru ( talk) 04:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello, your input is requested at Template talk:PD-Yugoslavia. Thank you, -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I never wrote the song titles like that? The countries were not entered under written like that so only the English shall remain. Grk1011/Stephen ( talk) 12:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
This is your final warning for edit warring on Maltese (dog). Any further reverts/warring - especially with Pietru - and you will be blocked, this time for a longer period. Tan | 39 21:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
"I'm warning you" WHAT A COMPLETE ARSEHOLE !!!!! Ignore Mangojuice. He, she or it can assert itself in the real world and so tries to do it here. Can't even give it's real name. Too frightened. What a wimp. Out in the real world, Mangojuice would get the shit kicked out of him if he acted like this.
I've created a move request at Wikipedia:Requested moves per your suggestion at the article's talk page. GregorB ( talk) 08:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Austria has a more central-western European culture related to the culture in (southern) Germany, Hungary has a very unique central European culture. That these countries once ruled over parts of the Mediterranean does not make them Mediterranean cultures. They neither have a Mediterranean flora, fauna or climate. Their languages, except for the few ethnically Austrian and Hungarian people who stayed on after the Habsburg empire disintegrated, do not feature in the Mediterranean area. Traditional Austrian and Hungarian cuisine have very little to do with the Mediterranean either as they do not use olive oil (fairly typical for all Mediterranean cultures) nor salt-water fish. It is for these reasons that I have deleted the countries from the list of countries which border the Mediterranean. Takeaway ( talk) 23:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
In the 1930's and '40s, an estimated 100,000 "White Croatians" or known as Byelo-Harvats and somewhat 50,000 "White Sorbians" or Lusitic Serbians lived in present-day Poland, the majority around the Krakow region. The peoples were descendants of a small influx of transplanted Serbo-Croatians whom arrived in the 16th to late 18th centuries, when eastern Silesia and southern Slovincia was under Austrian rule (the Austro-Hungarian Empire). But then came the Nazis German invasion of Poland in 1939, followed by the Soviet invasion of Nazi-occupied Poland in May 1945 and finally, the Communist takeover of the Polish government in 1947 has forcibly pressured the entire White Croat/Serbian population out of the Krakow region of Poland. Almost all the Byelo-Harvats and Lusitic Serbians emigrated to the United States, though Polish-Canadian and Croatian-Canadian organizations mentioned Canada was another major destination for them, and the rest in other neutral host nations like Sweden, Spain and Argentina. To make matters complicated is the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia under communism as well wasn't the land of choice for ethnic Croats or Serbs from Poland. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 05:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:White_Croats" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.2.206 ( talk)
Hello, I reverted the edit you made to Neven Jurica as his having been the Ambassador to the U.S. was already mentioned in the first sentence of the career section. Just wanted to let you knowwhy I reverted it. Javier MC 08:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I provided a WP:3O at Talk:Bosnian_American#Third_Opinion. I hope—but cannot guarantee!—that it will be useful to you and the project. I will keep the talk page on my watchlist for a short time in case my response to any follow-up comments/concerns would be helpful to achieving consensus. Best wishes! GreenGourd ( talk) 21:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've responded on the article talk page and reverted to his version. Long story short, I think WP policy specifically prohibits controversial categorization such as this; we can discuss that on the article talk page. As for COM's use of Twinkle, please don't take it as if he thinks you are vandalizing. There is some bad blood between you two, but Twinkle is just a tool and its use does not imply one position or another. The only time I would call use of Twinkle abusive is if used in a content dispute in order to aggressively revert without discussion. In other words, I think it's okay for anyone to revert anything with Twinkle so long as they provide an edit summary explaining themselves and don't revert-war with it.
Finally as to Caius, I wouldn't disapprove of calling him "personal physician to the English royal family in the 16th century" or "in the Elizabethan era" but it certainly seems much clunkier and it certainly wouldn't be my first choice. I don't like just calling him an English physician, it makes it sound as if we are denigrating his expertise; I would prefer no label or just calling him English to that solution, but on balance I don't like either of those ideas either: it's a history section and mentioning Queen Elizabeth I both identifies the time and place of Caius -- it's elegant writing and I see no reason to change it.
Just FYI, I haven't abandoned this article, but I have real-life concerns that are pressing right now. Next month I plan to start looking at this article some more, with an eye to expanding the history section to discuss more than just the origins issue (including adding the Clement of Alexandria bit back... I just couldn't see how to integrate that text without a general expansion of the section). Mango juice talk 20:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
It is one thing to implement the proper term (synonym) for Serbo-Croatian used in SR Croatia, it is an entirely different thing to start pushing it in as some sort of supposedly "separate" language. I suggest you bring this theory of yours to Talk:Serbo-Croatian language before making any more absurd undiscussed edits. "Serbo-Croatian language" is the most common term in English, far more common than "Croato-Serbian language", "Croatian or Serbian language", "Serbian, Croatian, or Slovene language" or any other alternative name used throughout the past century. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Na kojem jeziku je napisano ovo pitanje? Je li to:
Mislim, možemo se mi praviti blesavi do mile volje, no dokle god se radi o jednom te istom dijalektu (praktički identično stilizirana novoštokavština), nema se tu što puno filozofirati. Puno više smisla ima pričati o nekakovom "američkom jeziku" (koji već dugo i ima vlastite rječnike, gramatike, izgovor) nego o "standardnom hrvatskom" za vrijeme SFRJ. Evo jedan filmić za tebe: [5], vjerojatno si već vidio ali malo humora ne škodi za otrežnjenje ^_^ -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 22:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Weird, you ask me questions but (respectfully?) tell me not to write here anymore. Lucky I don't have to listen to you, huh? Just delete then :)
But it is a place for your outbursts, apparently. This is not vandalization, look it up. Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 01:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
One interesting quote [6]
For those not affected by nationalisistic passions, it is reasonable to date the birth of the modern Croatian language as June 25, 1991, the date on which Croatia (and Slovenia) declared its indepdence from Yugoslavia.
This is generally how foreign-language linguists perceive the issue, believe it or not :) I also recommend reading Wayles Browne's chapter on Serbo-Croatian in the big Slavic languagea monograph by Routledge, as well as reading literature older than 220 years (i.e. in pre-nationalist times), on the ex-SFRJ territory, and comparing the frequency of appearance of Croatian ethnicon as opposed to general non-ethnical appelations like Slavic, Dalmatian, Slavonian or Ilyrian. Cheers :) -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 23:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Dobar dan, Imbris!
Thanks for bringing the deletion of my citation tag to my attention. That quote glaringly needs a source and I will re-add the tag. As for the various names of the various kingdoms, I really don't want to get involved there... I don't know much about the history of Croatia-Slavonia but I will look at the article and see if there is a clearer way to specify that it was autonomous within the KoH....
Best, K. Lásztocska talk 18:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello Imbris, the reference you added here does not support the specific claim made in the article, that Lazar Popovski was the only Macedonian independent Olympic participant in 1992. The reference you added doesn't even say he competed in 1992, let alone the fact that he was the only Macedonian. You need a source to precisely confirm the statement you added to the article. The closest source I can find is to look at each of the 58 biographies linked from here to check the birthplaces, but that may be original research to do so. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 22:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. My edit-warring restriction, hardly a "severe penalty", lasted one year: it is over. and the other guy that got it ended up banned: proving that he was a fanatic who could not stop revert-warring to push his edit. Besides, I didn't see you reverting him trying to depict half of Croatia as Italian in all but name. Where were you when half of the articles on Croatian cities and history were sporting Italian instead of the "beloved" Croatian language?
As for the current situation: we'll likely both bet blocked for a significant period, probably an equal period. You introduced the recent changes and are now edit-warring to keep them in, even though they were plainly contested by more than one User. These are the simple facts obvious to anyone viewing the history page, but then they likely won't matter to the Admins... I'd call them in to mediate but I don't want to get blocked before the edit-war you started gets spotted on its own (which should be any day now).
Oh, and the page might get protected too. Those poor guys probably think you'll actually discuss while the article is blocked LoL... Knowing you, if the article happens to get protected with your version on you'll be all happy and cease discussions. You'll probably think you "won", too... --
DIREKTOR (
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21:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
"Cat and mouse games"?? I just told you, in detail, why there's no point in discussing: we will get blocked if we don't stop reverting. Just imagine I'm an "admin" and I'm telling you this, because its that certain. I'm willing to start a proper discussion, and reset everything. We'll get the issues related to Serbo-Croatian to Talk:Serbo-Croatian and issues related to the article itself right there, in seperate sections so we don't have to run a segmented discussion. Just please stop for now. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
You're edit-warring again. Ok, look: I simply reverted back to the last version of the article prior to the introduction of the edits we are edit warring over. I then added the non-controversial edits.
I said: "we revert all the way back to the point before you first introduced your changes" and you stated you agree to that, and listed the exceptions you wanted. Why are you re-introducing the very thing we were edit-warring over!? I'm telling you, man, we need to stop this now...
(The Tiso's Slovakia thing is ok, I didn't see that.) --
DIREKTOR (
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22:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
In request to the request for informal mediation, I'm going to give you guys a hand-can you see the Hey Slavs talk page please- Talk:Hey,_Slavs#Informal_Mediation. Thanks! Dotty••| TALK 14:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Imbris, I have left a message on the Hey Slavs talk page, but thought I'd leave one here as well. Unfortunately it seems that you do not want to budge on this issue at all & as a neutral observer, I'm leaning towards the arguments of the other guys, as more neutral & functional. I hope that by alerting you to the fact that it is your arguments that are the less neutral, you will see that by constantly opposing efforts on the talk page, you will get nowhere & may result in a change being forced through against your will. It would be much better for you if you were able to cooperate with the process, because then you could have an effect on the end solution, rather than merely being a bystander. I look forward to your reply. Dotty••| ☎ 07:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I have read all the arguments & understand both sides, however in this case I'm going to have to lean towards Direktor & Ivan's case. By all means, in the lede we will clarify the differences in names in Serbo-Croation & Croato-Serbian. With regard to the Montegrin language, once it's named as an official language, I agree that it should be implemented in the article, but not until then. So I think that Serbo-Croation(with its two variations), Slovene & Macedonian should be the only languages in the article. Although I can see where you are coming from, from what I can see, these are the most official/most federal languages from the historic period.
Although I don't expect you to agree with this, this is the most neutral & least POV solution, from a neutral observer. If you have any large queries please feel free to ask, but we will try to implement it in the next few days. I therefore ask you not to try to change it again once agreed & changed, because a consensus has been reached. Thanks!
Dotty••|
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12:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I will explain once more why his edit does not make any sense. This is not a matter of national pride.
In a nutshell – it will be a logical fallacy to alter the quote of the character itself. Had he called himself a "Croatian Mountain Hound," we would still be obligated to quote him correctly instead of trying to be smartasses. This is comedy we're speaking of. Let me propose a compromise:
Triumph was identified in early appearances as a Yugoslavian Mountain Hound (a dog breed which is now known as Montenegrin Mountain Hound)...
My concern is that it would appear somewhat "clumsy," while the sheer reference to "Montenegrin" obscures the reader. Again, I am reminding you all that Wikipedia exists for the readers, therefore we as editors must do everything to ease on the reader as much as possible instead of bickering over the correctness of dog breed names. 87.69.130.159 ( talk) 04:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
87.69.130.159 ( talk) 12:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
It can be traced to a very remote period of history. Some of the old authors speak of it as the dog which in the times of ancient mythology Diana presented to Procris. Pliny describes in enthusiastic terms the combat of one of them with a lion, and afterwards with an elephant. A dog very much resembling the ancient stories is yet found in Albania, and most of the districts of Greece. He is almost as large as a mastiff, with long and silky hair, the legs being shorter and stronger than those of the greyhound. He is gentle and tractable with those whom he knows, and when there is no point of duty at stake; but no bribe can seduce him from his post when any trust is committed to him.
[This dog, it is very probable, was highly impregnated with molossian blood, and like that animal, was trained both for war and the chase. It is rather doubtful, whether the dogs presented to Alexander the Great by the king of Albania, were those of his own country or some that he had obtained from other parts. We are inclined to believe that they were imported dogs, for Pliny distinctly states, that these two were all that the generous monarch possessed, and if destroyed could not be replaced. From this circumstance it is natural to suppose, that, if these dogs had been native Albanians, the king would have been able to supply any reasonable quantity of them, and, therefore, not necessitated to send this message to Alexander. On the other hand, if these dogs had been of the pure molossian type, such as were raised in Epirus, it is probable that their huge dimensions would not have surprised this monarch so much, as it is reasonable to believe that Alexander would certainly have seen, if not heard, of dogs so remarkable, belonging to a kingdom in immediate contiguity with his own. We are, therefore, forced to look to some other source, from whence came these proud dogs, who alone deigned to contend with the lion and elephant, and must yield to Strabo, who states that these animals were of the Indian breed.-- Taulant23 ( talk) 06:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you might be interested in this: http://montenegro.wikkii.com . Looks like Crnogorska Enciklopedija has been unofficially reincarnated. -- Prevalis ( talk) 16:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Jos mi nisi odgovorio na mk-wikipediji. Cekam odgovor. Pozdrav
PS. taj "79.103.200.19" nisam ja, ako si slucajno to pomislio. Contributions/93.219.254.68 ( talk) 18:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject Montenegro. We work on creating, expanding and making general changes to Montenegro related articles. If you would be interested in joining feel free to visit the Participants Page! Thank You. |
I though you would like to join as you edit Montenegrin articles. Rave92( talk) 11:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not on anyone's side here, but since I have a poor knowlege of Croatian history at that point, could you possibly elaborate at all? I'm somewhat confused. Just so I'm clear, and because you are not limited here in the amount of characters. I'm hazarding a guess that you believe it was not official, and that the arms shown on Socialist Republic of Croatia was in use from 1943, the foundation of the state, I believe. Is this correct? Could I ask you to stop editing on this issue, as I have done with User:DIREKTOR until we resolve this factual content dispute please? - Jarry1250 [ humourous – discuss ] 19:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict). The argument made by Imbris, I believe, is that the icon in question constituted an emblem of the government, but not a coat of arms. If this is Imbris' viewpoint, then I consider that it should be included in the article, but in a way that makes it clear that it was never declared a legal coat of arms (lacking any evidence to the contrary). Such articles do cover items similar to coats of arms, irrespective of their exact nature, in my experience. I'd like to here Imbris' exact view first. - Jarry1250 [ humourous – discuss ] 19:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The commons:File:SR Croatia coa.png was used from 1945, officialy adopted by the Constitution of the People's Republic of Croatia in 1947. It was protected at WIPO at 1967-07-11. Those years are in connection with the "Coat of arms" (in heraldry: Emblem). The Federal State of Croatia was a provisional name adopted on 1944-05-09. ZAVNOH as a provisional government started in 1943. This is why the article on the Socialist Republic of Croatia stated 1943-1990.
This one was not used in the heading of documents. By the "opinion" of Janko Ehrlich - Zdvorak (26 August 2001)
“ | It is a seal with an inscription Federalna država Hrvatska (Federal State of Croatia) over a coat-of-arms in the centre and Tehnički fakultet, Zagreb (Technical Faculty, Zagreb) below. The another one was pictured on a tax stamp. | ” |
Those two are the only appearances of that decorative motiff. It was never used as a "Coat of arms" nor as an Emblem. The decorative motiff might have been used by only one faculty of the University of Zagreb, this doesn't make it an official emblem of the Government despite what DIREKTOR might belive.
Imbris ( talk) 20:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, if both you guys agree... but its a mistake in my view. If the image wasn't a CoA, then it should be presented and its correct usage explained. Its not made-up, its a "real seal" :)
Imbris, I actually made that flag myself (quite easily, I might add) by closely following the dimensions on that page. Its mine. --
DIREKTOR (
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20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Imbris, I'm hurt. You don't trust me? And after all we've been through together... :) Like I said, I used the exact pixel ratio so as not to make a mistake with the flag proportions. If that's your objective 3O Jarry, I respect it. Thanks for your time. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
In short: we should write "Serbo-Croatian" because that's the predominant usage in English. Dual forms (srpskohrvatski/hrvatskosrpski) existed solely for the reasons of "balance" or "parity" in the former Yugoslav federation, because pushing srpskohrvatski at the expense of hrvatskosrpski could have been perceived as favorizing Serbian at the expense of Croatian. Such considerations, however, did not apply outside the SFRY, and they hardly apply anywhere now: at any rate, it is unclear to me what there is to gain - given the realities of the year 2009 - by substituting "Serbo-Croatian" with "Croato-Serbian" in the SR Croatia article.
I did not have the time to look at the other issues you raised, I'll get back later today or perhaps tomorrow. GregorB ( talk) 09:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Prestani vandalizirat članak Hej Slaveni, sljedeći put ćeš biti prijavljen adminima. -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 03:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
You will see that I posted here large list of sources where name "Voivodeship of Serbia" is used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Voivodeship_of_Serbia_and_Banat_of_Temeschwar#Article_title If you read that page and see these sources, you will not have any base to claim that "the title of this entity was never Voivodeship of Serbia". it is clear that it was, and not only that, but it is used in large majorits of sources that I saw. If you want to move article title again, then, please try to prove that majority of sources use name that you proposing. By the way, the most important reference in this field would be a title of habsburg emperor, and, as you can see, it is "Grand Voivode of the Voivodina of Serbia" ("Großwojwode der Wojwodschaft Serbien"): http://www.thomasgraz.net/glass/fj1titel.htm PANONIAN 21:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Imbris, I've responded to you post on Talk:Hey, Slavs. (If you feel these notes are unnecessary, please make a note of that) Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 22:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Imbris, I've responded to you post on Talk:Hey, Slavs. (If you feel these notes are unnecessary, please make a note of that) Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
There does seem to be an ongoing conflict between yourself and User:DIREKTOR. Perhaps mediation would help the two of you work through it and make editing less confrontational and more productive. AniMate draw 16:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've opened an ANI discussion about my interactions with User:Notpietru, it can be found here: WP:ANI#User:Pietru / User:Notpietru and Maltese (dog). It's not really about you, but since it does discuss you, you should be made aware of it. Mango juice talk 16:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Imbris. This message is to inform you that a discussion regarding your conduct has been started at ANI. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Imbris. Thank you. Ale_Jrb talk 10:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
That may well be, but nothing in that addresses the point: the name being in unilateral circulation does not validate a special article, the control exercised by a military leader during a political hiatus does not mean a new political entity was created, and the internal borders of Austria-Hungary, beyond various documented or imagined claims, stand as the de facto and de jure reality. So there were those Croats who did not recognize the borders and preferred another name for the same entity; using your logic, one would have to start detaching or incorporating various parts of Cisleithania whose representative political groups wanted the United States of Greater Austria, or unite Austria with Germany (these analogies just to stay in the lines of political alternatives offered within Austria-Hungary, and not throughout the world). That kind of jump to conclusions is fiction, not researched historical reality.
I assure you I have read your post, only it's frankly irrelevant to the subject, and relies on a fallacy. Dahn ( talk) 20:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Please cool it. You are DIREKTOR are having a series of seriously silly fights over Eurovision and flags. Either this is nationalism taken to ridiculously lame extremes or one, or both of you, is revert-warring just because you don't get along. Which would be fine, we're it not for the rules against such things. I'd be slightly more sympathetic if this was all over important stuff, but flags? Eurovision? Please.
This is a gently worded warning before I start laying on the sanctions. Please take note of it. Thank you. Moreschi ( talk) 23:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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I've had enough of your comments. One more comment like this or edit summaries like this, this or this and I will issue severe discretionary sanctions against you. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 09:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear Ricky,
I have done my best at WP:AGF on the edits and other contributions (e.g. discussions) of Mr. DIREKTOR. On the other hand he continually calls me a nationalist, ultra-nationalist, and even worse name calling. He believes my editing is a disruption, vandalism, biased, etc. He has launched several attempts of discrediting my character, none of those attempts proved successful.
I see that Mr. DIREKTOR considers the Hey, Slavs article worthy of getting himself blocked for WP:3RR, we could have both be included in that offence of the rules, but I have always tried to stay cool and discuss, latest of my attempts was contacting Eleassar, who protected the article (even if I did not ask him to do so). Eleassar as an administrator and editor of that article can say something about Mr. DIREKTOR's conduct. User:Zocky also expressed his opinion, but Mr. DIREKTOR could not care less.
Mr. DIREKTOR also canvassed Mr. Ivan Štambuk to the Hey, Slavs article, to intervene in his behalf. Knowing for the POV of Mr. Ivan Štambuk, that only Serbo-Croatian language exist and all other Central South Slavic languages do not, plus his belief that Croatian language is a neo-Ustashi construct, the calling for his POV was a canvassing and nothing less.
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Two choices: either file your silly Checkuser or stop accusing me of being a sockpuppet. For the record, I'm not quite that stupid to make myself different accounts for different talkpage discussions. If I want to oppose your POV-pushing on all the other talkpages where you wage your many edit-wars, I'd just go there and do it. Please file a Checkuser asap and educate yourself as to just how many different users are outraged at your behavior. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 11:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
You can't say you weren't warned. You are blocked for 72 hours for revert-warring and per WP:ARBMAC you are limited to one revert per page per day for the next 6 weeks. Violation of this sanction will be met with further blocks and escalation of the sanction. Thank you. Moreschi ( talk) 21:50, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Edit-warring, I have provided a source at Coats of arms of the Yugoslav Socialist Republics. I have downsized the number of reverts, and expected Mr. DIREKTOR to do the same. ARBMAC is intended for Macedonia, Dalmatia and Kosovo, or? -- Imbris ( talk) 21:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I've reviewed the discussion at WP:ANI, and you don't appear to be addressing the reason for your block, which is persistent pushing of a nationalistic point of view. FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 22:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Imbris ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I, a nationalist? I edit with sources and that is it. This block is against any policy. Because if it were under the policy, then the other editor would be blocked as well. The requestor of the action (Mr. DIREKTOR) failed to mention that he declined answering on the talk pages, that Mr. DIREKTOR used edit-war method on a massive scale, and the blocking administrator failed to see that I have not used the edit-war on all the subjects where Mr. DIREKTOR and I were included. On the other hand Mr. DIREKTOR continued flamatory acts of incivility and revert-warring (without even filling the edit summary properly.) The blocking administrator should have a look on attempts by DIREKTOR to defame my character at User talk:Ricky81682, User talk:AniMate. The request of Mr. DIREKTOR contains wording to imply POV but fail to produce any reliable diff of such offence. He has provided diffs that portray a perpetual edit-war by Mr. DIREKTOR on all the articles and templates listed at his friend AniMate (friend because they have almost equall opinions. The block is unjust, nobody called me to that ANI, and the blocking admin did not warn DIREKTOR and did not block DIREKTOR and did not notify me of an ANI (on two separate occasions). And the fact that the blocking admin thinks I deserve the indef block because I edited on Eurovision and Flags is particular. -- Imbris ( talk) 22:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Please read WP:NOTTHEM and try again. Sandstein 05:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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User:DIREKTOR is a notorious POV warrior and you can request Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations against him because he is suspected sock of user:No.13 and user:AlasdairGreen27. His negationism of ethnic cleansing against Italians in Istria and Dalmatia is political agenda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.97.40.14 ( talk) 08:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I had considered opening a proposal to move that article title, but was advised not to. Why was the current title chosen? it's confusing. Either the guy was 'King of Croatia' or he wasn't (he claims he wasn't).
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Croatia was a part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, 1929 to 1945. GoodDay ( talk) 23:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Be advised that this time you may expect a full report shall be filed on any and all violations of WP:CANVASS on your part (including hrWiki and e-mail). The report will be placed in the context of your previous behavior. I will not idly stand by this time if I notice your MEATPUPPET buddies joining in. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Tomislav II of Croatia, 4th Duke of Aosta, you will be blocked for vandalism. Crotchety Old Man ( talk) 15:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright Imbris. This has become a flame war, and it needs to stop. Ignore DIREKTOR, ignore the ANI thread. If DIREKTOR attacks, he'll get blocked, and no one will respect you any less. In the mean time you are closer to a block than he is, so be careful. Nezzadar ☎ 00:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm content with allowing Tomislav II & King of Croatia being in the article content. As for the Infobox & Navobxes? I'm content aswell, as long as '(disputed)' is placed there. GoodDay ( talk) 19:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Please, see Talk:Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar. -- Mladifilozof ( talk) 23:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
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