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Thanks for the information and the link. Incidentally, would you happen to know how the US Census Bureau makes its non-census year estimations? Do they use standard interpolation or do they conduct a mini-census and then extrapolate from those results? If you don't know off-hand, then no worries. I don't often edit articles about US settlements, so it's just a point of curiousity more than anything else. Black Falcon ( Talk) 19:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
you're assuming I don't actually want it deleted. But, seriously. It is absolutely imperative that either UCFD goes away, or the Rouge admins category does. The existence of both is a contradiction in terms. — Random832 20:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Horologium, thank you for taking part in
my RfB. As you may know, it was
not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight.
I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community.
I was a little miserable after the results came out, so I'm going to spread the love via dancing hippos. As you do. :)
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to
call me out. ~
Riana ⁂
11:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Ethnologue is not definitive, and in this case is quite in error. Jèrriais is linguistically, politically, and historically distinct from French. On Jersey, Jersey Legal French is an official language (being a dialect of French). Jèrriais, the island's historical language, is not official per se, but Les Pages Jèrriaises calls it "la langue minnoritaithe officielle" of Jersey ("the official minority language"), and it is recognized by the British-Irish Counil. At any rate, Jersey hardly has two dialects of French! Jersey Legal French is the local dialect of French, and Jèrriais is the local dialect of Norman, though there certainly has been some "bleed" between the two. As an FYI, Jèrriais is currently featured on the Norman Wikipedia as one of the two primary dialects. Also:
While it is fine linguistically to call Jèrriais a dialect of Norman, several arguments could be made to call Jèrriais a separate language even from Continental Norman (which is politically distinct, uses a separate standardized orthography, and which contains some differing vocabulary, pronunciation, and grammar). Clearly, Ethnologue is quite in error here. Do you really believe that Jersey is incorrect in thinking that Jèrriais and French are two separate languages, worthy of separate classroom instruction?
Other notes: Sèrtchais is a dialect of Jèrriais. It is sometimes referred to as a "Norman language", but virtually everyone agrees that it is a dialect of Jèrriais; Sark was colonized by Jersey folk, and they brought their language to the island some 400 years ago. It is also almost dead. Dgèrnésiais is another "Norman language". It is very close to Jèrriais, but somewhat distinct, containing its own vocabulary and a slightly different orthography (though the orthographies of Jèrriais and Dgèrnésiais are similar. Political distinctions (the two remain in separate Bailiwicks) mean that the two dialects are generally treated entirely distinctly, despite similarities. Continental Norman is often treated as another "Norman language", though it is a collection of dialects. These are sometimes as linguistically distinct as Jèrriais, Dgèrnésiais, and the Continental dialects, but they all share a single, unified orthography, and all occur in France (and thus share political unity). As such, there is a tendency to group them together. This has been the practice on the Norman Wikipedia (which has 3 introductory paragraphs: one in Jèrriais, one in Dgèrnésiais, and one in Cotentinais, which is a Continental dialect). Oh, and I once submitted an ISO 639-3 request for Jèrriais. I was simply making the case that Jèrriais was distinct from French. Unfortunately, it was rejected on the grounds that, while Jèrriais may be distinct from French, it had not been demonstrated that it was distinct from other Norman dialects. This is problematic, as I think it may be difficult to truly call Jèrriais and Dgèrnésiais separate languages (and certainly very hard indeed to call Jèrriais and Sèrtchais separate languages), but fairly defensible to call Jèrriais a distinct language from "Continental Norman"… Anyway, I hope this helps to clarify. The Jade Knight ( talk) 05:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
[1], please make sure that there are no intervening non-vandalims edits. -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 23:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
brew
crewer
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WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
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Pertaining to "Kristen"... I have now moved everything I could find within this article over to her article (with current redirect so follow directions on talk page of the scandal page it re-direects to, to access it). As I give people the opportunity to create an article on her, please move all the newbie's ramblings over to this page instead of deleting their work from now on. If you would like to start a privacy vs. public domain debate, please do so on her article's talk page. Please do not remove the information on heer page until discussion has taken place on these issues and it is determined whether or not an article on her is needed. I would currently argue a person involved in the downfall of a Governor needs a page on Wikipedia, but that is my side. I sort of compare this to " Deep Throat" (ironically named after, arguably, the most famous prostitution movie of all time, in the Watergate Scandal. If you have any thoughts, please list them. I will check back for a few days. Thanks ( Nicolaususry ( talk) 05:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC))
Awww, thanks. :) This has definitely been a major project of mine for months now, it's always nice to get recognition. I wasn't aware you were following the FMA case though? -- El on ka 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I've a request for you.
While I know you're not a fan of the dialectuals in categories, this is about some userboxes and related pages.
The plan it to rename the above to en-caj or en-cajun. The creator already gave his "go-ahead", but I'd like some suggestions as to what the best choice would be. Should we abbreviate to caj, similar to the other userboxes? Or is spelling it out probably better? Or is there some other, better option?
I welcome your thoughts/insight : ) - jc37 17:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thank you for your support in my RFA. The passed with a final count of (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) Aleta Sing 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Thanks for the information and the link. Incidentally, would you happen to know how the US Census Bureau makes its non-census year estimations? Do they use standard interpolation or do they conduct a mini-census and then extrapolate from those results? If you don't know off-hand, then no worries. I don't often edit articles about US settlements, so it's just a point of curiousity more than anything else. Black Falcon ( Talk) 19:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
you're assuming I don't actually want it deleted. But, seriously. It is absolutely imperative that either UCFD goes away, or the Rouge admins category does. The existence of both is a contradiction in terms. — Random832 20:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Horologium, thank you for taking part in
my RfB. As you may know, it was
not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight.
I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community.
I was a little miserable after the results came out, so I'm going to spread the love via dancing hippos. As you do. :)
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to
call me out. ~
Riana ⁂
11:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Ethnologue is not definitive, and in this case is quite in error. Jèrriais is linguistically, politically, and historically distinct from French. On Jersey, Jersey Legal French is an official language (being a dialect of French). Jèrriais, the island's historical language, is not official per se, but Les Pages Jèrriaises calls it "la langue minnoritaithe officielle" of Jersey ("the official minority language"), and it is recognized by the British-Irish Counil. At any rate, Jersey hardly has two dialects of French! Jersey Legal French is the local dialect of French, and Jèrriais is the local dialect of Norman, though there certainly has been some "bleed" between the two. As an FYI, Jèrriais is currently featured on the Norman Wikipedia as one of the two primary dialects. Also:
While it is fine linguistically to call Jèrriais a dialect of Norman, several arguments could be made to call Jèrriais a separate language even from Continental Norman (which is politically distinct, uses a separate standardized orthography, and which contains some differing vocabulary, pronunciation, and grammar). Clearly, Ethnologue is quite in error here. Do you really believe that Jersey is incorrect in thinking that Jèrriais and French are two separate languages, worthy of separate classroom instruction?
Other notes: Sèrtchais is a dialect of Jèrriais. It is sometimes referred to as a "Norman language", but virtually everyone agrees that it is a dialect of Jèrriais; Sark was colonized by Jersey folk, and they brought their language to the island some 400 years ago. It is also almost dead. Dgèrnésiais is another "Norman language". It is very close to Jèrriais, but somewhat distinct, containing its own vocabulary and a slightly different orthography (though the orthographies of Jèrriais and Dgèrnésiais are similar. Political distinctions (the two remain in separate Bailiwicks) mean that the two dialects are generally treated entirely distinctly, despite similarities. Continental Norman is often treated as another "Norman language", though it is a collection of dialects. These are sometimes as linguistically distinct as Jèrriais, Dgèrnésiais, and the Continental dialects, but they all share a single, unified orthography, and all occur in France (and thus share political unity). As such, there is a tendency to group them together. This has been the practice on the Norman Wikipedia (which has 3 introductory paragraphs: one in Jèrriais, one in Dgèrnésiais, and one in Cotentinais, which is a Continental dialect). Oh, and I once submitted an ISO 639-3 request for Jèrriais. I was simply making the case that Jèrriais was distinct from French. Unfortunately, it was rejected on the grounds that, while Jèrriais may be distinct from French, it had not been demonstrated that it was distinct from other Norman dialects. This is problematic, as I think it may be difficult to truly call Jèrriais and Dgèrnésiais separate languages (and certainly very hard indeed to call Jèrriais and Sèrtchais separate languages), but fairly defensible to call Jèrriais a distinct language from "Continental Norman"… Anyway, I hope this helps to clarify. The Jade Knight ( talk) 05:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
[1], please make sure that there are no intervening non-vandalims edits. -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 23:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
brew
crewer
(yada, yada) has smiled at you! Smiles promote
WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{
subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Pertaining to "Kristen"... I have now moved everything I could find within this article over to her article (with current redirect so follow directions on talk page of the scandal page it re-direects to, to access it). As I give people the opportunity to create an article on her, please move all the newbie's ramblings over to this page instead of deleting their work from now on. If you would like to start a privacy vs. public domain debate, please do so on her article's talk page. Please do not remove the information on heer page until discussion has taken place on these issues and it is determined whether or not an article on her is needed. I would currently argue a person involved in the downfall of a Governor needs a page on Wikipedia, but that is my side. I sort of compare this to " Deep Throat" (ironically named after, arguably, the most famous prostitution movie of all time, in the Watergate Scandal. If you have any thoughts, please list them. I will check back for a few days. Thanks ( Nicolaususry ( talk) 05:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC))
Awww, thanks. :) This has definitely been a major project of mine for months now, it's always nice to get recognition. I wasn't aware you were following the FMA case though? -- El on ka 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I've a request for you.
While I know you're not a fan of the dialectuals in categories, this is about some userboxes and related pages.
The plan it to rename the above to en-caj or en-cajun. The creator already gave his "go-ahead", but I'd like some suggestions as to what the best choice would be. Should we abbreviate to caj, similar to the other userboxes? Or is spelling it out probably better? Or is there some other, better option?
I welcome your thoughts/insight : ) - jc37 17:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thank you for your support in my RFA. The passed with a final count of (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) Aleta Sing 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |