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Hi there Hoopes- would just like to compliment you on your impressive expansion of the a/n article. I think you've struck just about the right balance on a topic that is notoriously infused with much vagueness and speculative claims. You've also done very well to neutrally describe and distinguish between the contemporary esoteric interpretations, and the more authentic historically-based ones they are often mistaken for. Nice work! Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 07:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Hoopes. If you want to change Votan from redirecting to Woden and beginning an article there instead (I agree it would make an interesting subject), here's how to do it:
#REDIRECT [[Woden]]
.
To handle other possible meanings / associations of "Votan", we can just put up some variety of disambiguating hatnote on it to provide pointers to other potential targets. Would be happy to help setting that up once you've made a start on the new article.
Hope that helps, and regards, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 07:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
<ref>
and </ref>
tags, immediately after the sentence. You can use a Harvard-esque abbr., for example:
Congrats! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
To my students: Please use this space for asking any questions you might have about the assignment. I'll answer if I can, but there may also be some answers from others. Please remember to sign your posts! Hoopes ( talk) 01:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Hoopes. Saw your proposal at the WP:MESO strategy talkpg, re your class coordinating some (much-needed) imput & improvement on Maya articles. I think that is a fantastic idea, and any input from that quarter would be most welcome. Feel sure that the other (alas few in number) currently active wp:meso folks would be only too happy to help out and support if and where needed.
I crossposted your proposal outline to the main WT:MESO discussion board ( here), as that is probably the most visible place. May I suggest that further notices and chat take place in that thread. Completely up to you, but you might like to set up some separate project and discussion page to aid coordination; whatever suits.
You might also like to look over WP:SUP, some optional guidelines and suggestions for coordinating school & uni class inputs and contributions. May or may not contain some useful info. I know that User:Thelmadatter, a TEFL instructor at ITESM has been doing quite a few class contribs for Mexico-related articles for a while know, which have been working pretty well. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 04:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi John. Good idea, but you might want to read [1] so you don't run into any of the problems that professor did. Doug Weller ( talk) 08:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello All: Two questions here. First, I am working on an entry on the topic of Ruling Queens and I have come across some different name spellings in two very recent publications for one of the Queens of Yaxchilan--Lady K'abal Xook. For my entry, which will be a stand alone page, I am inclined to use that of Martin and Grube 2008 in their Chronicle of Maya Queens and Kings, however Josserand's publication of 2007 (The Missing Heir at Yaxchilan: Literary Analysis of a Maya Historical Puzzle, In Latin American Antiquity vol 18(3) p 295-312) has the name as Lady Xok. Additionally, the existing Wikipedia page on this queen has it written as Lady Xoc. So what to do? Second question/note is with regard to the existing Lady Xoc page, it is in some need of updating, clarifying and correcting of the existing text, which I can do as I have time but I wanted to check first before re-writing parts. Thanks Archaeochica ( talk) 05:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi Hoopes. Is this editor Chrisbfromeg ( talk · contribs) one of your KU students? If so, seems some new article watchers got a little suspicious at seeing the text of their Maya priesthood article appearing out-of-the-blue, and it's ended up nominated for deletion or merging. I'll contest the deletion/merge proposal anyway since there's valid info there, but wanted to check if part of the overall assignment. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 05:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if you realized that Midwifery in Maya society was already a "live" article? I was trying to work on it myself, but maybe you could look it over since you seem to be much more familiar with the subject material than I am. -- Ships at a Distance ( talk) 22:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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I am unable to find Hoopes 2004 as listed for Week 5 on the Semester Schedule page of Blackboard/Courseware. I do not see it under the Online Articles, Downloadable Files from JSTOR, or anywhere else. Aaropender ( talk) 16:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Were the papers presented at the Annual Meeting[s] of the Society for American Archaeology published in any form? I have seen references to them that are enticing and I would like to get my hands on about three or four of these papers presented in various years around the late 70s, but I can not find either hard or electronic copies of them: only citations. Does anybody have either access to them or a definitive answer regarding their being published? Aaropender ( talk) 19:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blossom Goodchild (2nd nomination), of course. -- Orange Mike | Talk 00:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
You made some good additions, but more importantly I need your help to finish reffing them. I was hoping you could add page numbers to some of the book refs you cited. Also, the line refuting the Aztec Hunab Ku still needs citing and one of the cites you added (South2009) doesn't have a corresponding reference. Sorry to bother you but this article is moving closer to the higher levels and really needs a push to get to the top. Serendi pod ous 18:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hoopes, apologies for the long delay in replying to your questions, I've been away/offline these past couple of weeks.
While wikipedia allows and even encourages the reuse of its material (see WP:REUSE), that does not mean wikipedia content can be regurgitated verbatim without attribution or restriction. The situation you describe sounds like it would violate wikipedia's Terms of Use agreement, and plagiarism to boot. Even if the content was in the Public Domain (which it isn't), they still should not be just reproducing it without attribution of the source it came from.
As I understand it, any reuse, republication, derivative work or modification of the wiki-original content needs to comply with the terms of the license the content is released under, which these days is generally the Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY-SA) license (content created before 15 Jun 2009 can still also be covered by the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) as well; not 100% sure how the dual-licensing (CC-BY-SA & GFDL) we've had since June 2009 works, but the article text content comes under at least one of these). CC-BY-SA (and/or GFDL) are legally binding documents, so non-compliance with the license's terms wld be 'illegal' in that sense, I s'pose. Also, the contributors of original wikipedia content still retain their actual copyright individually over their own material (it's only that the material is made available under the free CC-BY-SA license). Therefore, any reproduction of that material that fails to comply with the terms of the license the copyright holder released it under, would constitute a violation of the individual contributor(s)' copyright.
Among other things, CC-BY-SA (&/or GFDL) licensing conditions require attribution of the source to be made clearly, and the (usually multiple) authorship identified either by a list or at the least a link to the orig wikipedia content & its history. Also, and importantly, the reproduced, modified or deriviative work must itself be licensed under the same terms ( copyleft), ie can't be placed under a more restrictive licensing condition (like full & exclusive copyright). And the CC-BY-SA (or GFDL) license terms & conditions need also to be reproduced along with the work. At least, that's my understanding; from what you describe doesn't seem that any of that has been complied with. License compliance should also apply to reproduced segments/passages from our articles, not just if the whole thing is reproduced.
Unfortunately wikipedia/the WMF as a whole is not really geared up to pursue licensing infringements in a coordinated way, AFAIK. It is usually up to individual contributors to follow up on possible breaches of the license conditions. I suppose in a way it makes for a stronger case if the individual copyright holder (ie individual who wrote the orig text) pursues the matter. There are a couple of places where license compliance issues are listed and followups tracked, such as WP:GFDL Compliance and now WP:CC-BY-SA Compliance. Content reusers who might be in breach get listed at Mirrors and Forks (anyone can do this), and a record of followup attempts can be made; the non compliance followup process is described there. Individuals, not wikipedia as an entity, generally do the followups. There are a couple of form letters that can be used. The content reuser also shld be added to the CCBYSA or GFDL (as appte) compliance list.
However, the above is pretty much geared towards material reproduced on the internet, not in printed books. But in theory it should be much the same process, and I don't see why a printed book/publisher could not be listed here and dealt with in this way too. It's the only central place I know of where such reuse licensing issues are documented. The form letters wld have to be modified to make sense in being about a printed book, but they are well worth a read in any case.
In practical terms for the case you describe, I'd reckon a letter to the publisher or other followup contact with them would be in order. You'd think that at least the publisher wld want to be alerted that the work they'd paid some author for contains material that someone else (original wiki contributor/s) has the copyright on and its being reused contrary to its licensing conditions. Such an approach would be strengthened if it came from the contributor(s) of the text, but it doesn't have to. In order to find out which contributor(s) originally added some piece of text, there's a tool called WikiBlame that can be used. It can help identify the exact edit in which a piece of text was first added (and also help to demonstrate that some wiki passage was put together over time and over multiple edits, ie that it wasn't itself just copied wholesale from somewhere else).
So I guess first step is demonstrating that the text originated in wikipedia, and who the orig content contributors were. What are some of the suspect passages, and from which article(s) do you think they come from? I'd be interested in any followups, and wld be glad to help (when back online with a little more availability than I have right now) if I can. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 05:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a quote in the 2012 phenomenon article (McKenna originally considered it an incidental observation that his and José Argüelles dates matched, a sign of the end date "being programmed into our unconscious") that has never been sourced, and I'm not sure but I think you added it. If you could provide a citation for that quote I would much appreciate it. Thanks. Serendi pod ous 12:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
To my students: Please use this space for asking any questions you might have about the assignment. I'll answer if I can, but there may also be some answers from others. Please remember to sign your posts! Hoopes ( talk) 19:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
<ref>Smith 2008, p.123</ref>
after the statement to be cited.None of these are perfect, but nonetheless good models for what I'd like to see.
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One of the most useful published sources for research on your Wikpedia entries will be The Archaeology of Lower Central America [2], edited by Frederick W. Lange and Doris Z. Stone (1984). It is available in an electronic version for KU faculty, staff, and students by clicking on the superscript link (which may require login). If you have trouble getting to the publication via the link here, you can access it through the KU online catalog.
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This is my username: Jess.maureen ( talk) 19:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
This is my username: Stamford Raffles ( talk) 19:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC) I am working on: Arenal Prehistory Project
Anne Egitto Archaeochica ( talk) 19:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
This is my username. Robinlb ( talk) 19:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Michael Davis Mhughdavis ( talk) 19:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Maggie Cargill Mcargill05 ( talk) 21:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC) I would like to work on something about ancient central american religious tradition, something that involves animal iconography and therianthropy. If not, I'd like to work on something related to the earliest peoples and their way life. Maybe the emergence and initial uses of pottery?
This is my username: Alexnort ( talk) 22:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Blair Benson Roxrule ( talk) 02:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC) I'm working on Pre-Columbian burial mounds of Costa Rica
Adam Benfer Adambenfer ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC). I'm writing about Las Mercedes.
Brandy Entsminger: Bentsminger ( talk) 18:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC): Fray Adrian de Santo Tomas
Jessica Burger Jessburgs ( talk) 15:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Greg Kauffman Gregk78 ( talk) 14:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC) I'm working on the Sitio Conte site.
Brendon Asher Brendon5 ( talk) 14:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC) I would like to research the Turrialba Clovis site (Guardiria) in eastern Costa Rica
Aaron Pendergrass. I'm considering writing about megafauna or another 'paleo' topic like subsistence strategies. I'm most interested in older topics - such as the first peoples known to inhabit/pass through this area. Please inform me whether this is inappropriate or of any good sources. Thank you. Aaropender ( talk) 16:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Michael Grotz: I would like to work on topics related to Costa Rican archeology. I'm interesting in gaining a sense of the unique mind behind the material culture of the Americas. I have a sense of what's going on in the mind of the East and the West, but I'd like to know what's going on/was going on in the South, as a distinctive cultural and ideological region. M.Grotz ( talk) 16:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Miles Golson: Milesag ( talk) 18:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Michelle Phillips: Mishellaneous ( talk) 18:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)Mishellaneous I plan on updating the information on the Lenca of Honduras and El Salvador.
Robert Shin: Rpshin ( talk) 20:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Samantha Bradbeer: Sbradbeer ( talk)16: 16, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Samuel Kirkland Lothrop
Piper Wolfe: Pjwolfe ( talk) 15:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC) - Olga F. Linares
Robin L. Bang. As noted above, I would like to work on Greater Nicoya. Robinlb ( talk) 15:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
David Gonzalez Davidggonz ( talk) 04:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Patrick Green patmgreen Writing a general Paleoindian article, my apologies for not signing in on this page
Kt West Ktwest ( talk) 21:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Brigid Dunn Brigidsu ( talk) 17:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Nathan hutchcraft ( talk) 23:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC) I am going to be working on a page for author Patrick Geryl
Dougweller ( talk) is a Wikipedia administrator with a special interest in archaeology and pseudoarchaeology. As noted above, he's posted some helpful comments in the section of his talk page titled Student Editors at KU. Please let me know if other Wikipedia administrators are giving you feedback on your entries so that I can share that feedback with others. Hoopes ( talk) 17:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just reverted 2 edits, these [3] which rejects the reasons given originally and suggests some sort of bias as a reason instead. I hadn't realised it might be one of your students until I checked their talk page. Dougweller ( talk) 20:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
To my students: Please use this space for asking any questions you might have about the assignment. I'll answer if I can, but there may also be some answers from others. Please remember to sign your posts! Hoopes ( talk) 21:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
To develop your article for this assignment, please set up a dedicated user subpage for it and save the link on your main userpage. You would do this by creating a name consisting of a backslash followed by the proposed article title (or "Draft" or any text). It should be coded like this: [[ /Article title]]. Click on that link to create the new subpage, which will be created at User:Student username/Article title. You can then add some text, save it, and then continue.
For convenience, you can transclude your working draft subpage onto your main userpage so it's visible from there by adding {{User:Student username/Article title}} to the main userpage somewhere.
Start out with using the particular referencing system wikipedia calls
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after the statement to be cited.
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None of these are perfect, but nonetheless good models for what I'd like to see. Of course, there are lots of other examples listed on the course website. The objective is to provide adequate coverage for anyone searching on topics related to pseudoarchaeology.
For some examples of articles to which I have contributed major revisions, see:
Ktwest ( talk) 02:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC) I was wondering if I could switch my topic, it falls under the same category, but I'd just like to focus on diseases that were caused by the transition to farming. paleopathology
Hey, Hoopes. Just a heads up about this sort off thing [4]. The highlighting can be turned of by clicking the Skype icon that, on my screen,is extreme top right with a green/white phone and 123 on it. Then just untick 'Turn number highlighting on'. Rgds, Mannafredo ( talk) 14:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I see one of your students is working on an article on this person, he needs to read the deletion discussion before recreating the article. Ah, looking again, he can't create it, it's protected. Interesting. I have to think about that, maybe go to WP:DRV but he'll have to show evidence that he's met the earlier objections. Dougweller ( talk) 09:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
We already have David Childress. Dougweller ( talk) 18:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
mwescoe ( talk)I was thinking of adding my DH Childress page to the existing David Childress page. specifically about his Olmec book. does that seem more appropriate? —Preceding undated comment added 20:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC).
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Hi there Hoopes- would just like to compliment you on your impressive expansion of the a/n article. I think you've struck just about the right balance on a topic that is notoriously infused with much vagueness and speculative claims. You've also done very well to neutrally describe and distinguish between the contemporary esoteric interpretations, and the more authentic historically-based ones they are often mistaken for. Nice work! Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 07:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Hoopes. If you want to change Votan from redirecting to Woden and beginning an article there instead (I agree it would make an interesting subject), here's how to do it:
#REDIRECT [[Woden]]
.
To handle other possible meanings / associations of "Votan", we can just put up some variety of disambiguating hatnote on it to provide pointers to other potential targets. Would be happy to help setting that up once you've made a start on the new article.
Hope that helps, and regards, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 07:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
<ref>
and </ref>
tags, immediately after the sentence. You can use a Harvard-esque abbr., for example:
Congrats! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
To my students: Please use this space for asking any questions you might have about the assignment. I'll answer if I can, but there may also be some answers from others. Please remember to sign your posts! Hoopes ( talk) 01:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Hoopes. Saw your proposal at the WP:MESO strategy talkpg, re your class coordinating some (much-needed) imput & improvement on Maya articles. I think that is a fantastic idea, and any input from that quarter would be most welcome. Feel sure that the other (alas few in number) currently active wp:meso folks would be only too happy to help out and support if and where needed.
I crossposted your proposal outline to the main WT:MESO discussion board ( here), as that is probably the most visible place. May I suggest that further notices and chat take place in that thread. Completely up to you, but you might like to set up some separate project and discussion page to aid coordination; whatever suits.
You might also like to look over WP:SUP, some optional guidelines and suggestions for coordinating school & uni class inputs and contributions. May or may not contain some useful info. I know that User:Thelmadatter, a TEFL instructor at ITESM has been doing quite a few class contribs for Mexico-related articles for a while know, which have been working pretty well. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 04:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi John. Good idea, but you might want to read [1] so you don't run into any of the problems that professor did. Doug Weller ( talk) 08:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello All: Two questions here. First, I am working on an entry on the topic of Ruling Queens and I have come across some different name spellings in two very recent publications for one of the Queens of Yaxchilan--Lady K'abal Xook. For my entry, which will be a stand alone page, I am inclined to use that of Martin and Grube 2008 in their Chronicle of Maya Queens and Kings, however Josserand's publication of 2007 (The Missing Heir at Yaxchilan: Literary Analysis of a Maya Historical Puzzle, In Latin American Antiquity vol 18(3) p 295-312) has the name as Lady Xok. Additionally, the existing Wikipedia page on this queen has it written as Lady Xoc. So what to do? Second question/note is with regard to the existing Lady Xoc page, it is in some need of updating, clarifying and correcting of the existing text, which I can do as I have time but I wanted to check first before re-writing parts. Thanks Archaeochica ( talk) 05:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi Hoopes. Is this editor Chrisbfromeg ( talk · contribs) one of your KU students? If so, seems some new article watchers got a little suspicious at seeing the text of their Maya priesthood article appearing out-of-the-blue, and it's ended up nominated for deletion or merging. I'll contest the deletion/merge proposal anyway since there's valid info there, but wanted to check if part of the overall assignment. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 05:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if you realized that Midwifery in Maya society was already a "live" article? I was trying to work on it myself, but maybe you could look it over since you seem to be much more familiar with the subject material than I am. -- Ships at a Distance ( talk) 22:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. X MarX the Spot ( talk) 05:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Re your message: It was an oversight on my part for not restoring the Talk page. It's a long story, but the article was deleted for a moment and I restored it. While I was fixing the mess that I made, I had forgotten that I had deleted the Talk page. It's back now. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I am unable to find Hoopes 2004 as listed for Week 5 on the Semester Schedule page of Blackboard/Courseware. I do not see it under the Online Articles, Downloadable Files from JSTOR, or anywhere else. Aaropender ( talk) 16:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Were the papers presented at the Annual Meeting[s] of the Society for American Archaeology published in any form? I have seen references to them that are enticing and I would like to get my hands on about three or four of these papers presented in various years around the late 70s, but I can not find either hard or electronic copies of them: only citations. Does anybody have either access to them or a definitive answer regarding their being published? Aaropender ( talk) 19:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blossom Goodchild (2nd nomination), of course. -- Orange Mike | Talk 00:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
You made some good additions, but more importantly I need your help to finish reffing them. I was hoping you could add page numbers to some of the book refs you cited. Also, the line refuting the Aztec Hunab Ku still needs citing and one of the cites you added (South2009) doesn't have a corresponding reference. Sorry to bother you but this article is moving closer to the higher levels and really needs a push to get to the top. Serendi pod ous 18:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hoopes, apologies for the long delay in replying to your questions, I've been away/offline these past couple of weeks.
While wikipedia allows and even encourages the reuse of its material (see WP:REUSE), that does not mean wikipedia content can be regurgitated verbatim without attribution or restriction. The situation you describe sounds like it would violate wikipedia's Terms of Use agreement, and plagiarism to boot. Even if the content was in the Public Domain (which it isn't), they still should not be just reproducing it without attribution of the source it came from.
As I understand it, any reuse, republication, derivative work or modification of the wiki-original content needs to comply with the terms of the license the content is released under, which these days is generally the Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY-SA) license (content created before 15 Jun 2009 can still also be covered by the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) as well; not 100% sure how the dual-licensing (CC-BY-SA & GFDL) we've had since June 2009 works, but the article text content comes under at least one of these). CC-BY-SA (and/or GFDL) are legally binding documents, so non-compliance with the license's terms wld be 'illegal' in that sense, I s'pose. Also, the contributors of original wikipedia content still retain their actual copyright individually over their own material (it's only that the material is made available under the free CC-BY-SA license). Therefore, any reproduction of that material that fails to comply with the terms of the license the copyright holder released it under, would constitute a violation of the individual contributor(s)' copyright.
Among other things, CC-BY-SA (&/or GFDL) licensing conditions require attribution of the source to be made clearly, and the (usually multiple) authorship identified either by a list or at the least a link to the orig wikipedia content & its history. Also, and importantly, the reproduced, modified or deriviative work must itself be licensed under the same terms ( copyleft), ie can't be placed under a more restrictive licensing condition (like full & exclusive copyright). And the CC-BY-SA (or GFDL) license terms & conditions need also to be reproduced along with the work. At least, that's my understanding; from what you describe doesn't seem that any of that has been complied with. License compliance should also apply to reproduced segments/passages from our articles, not just if the whole thing is reproduced.
Unfortunately wikipedia/the WMF as a whole is not really geared up to pursue licensing infringements in a coordinated way, AFAIK. It is usually up to individual contributors to follow up on possible breaches of the license conditions. I suppose in a way it makes for a stronger case if the individual copyright holder (ie individual who wrote the orig text) pursues the matter. There are a couple of places where license compliance issues are listed and followups tracked, such as WP:GFDL Compliance and now WP:CC-BY-SA Compliance. Content reusers who might be in breach get listed at Mirrors and Forks (anyone can do this), and a record of followup attempts can be made; the non compliance followup process is described there. Individuals, not wikipedia as an entity, generally do the followups. There are a couple of form letters that can be used. The content reuser also shld be added to the CCBYSA or GFDL (as appte) compliance list.
However, the above is pretty much geared towards material reproduced on the internet, not in printed books. But in theory it should be much the same process, and I don't see why a printed book/publisher could not be listed here and dealt with in this way too. It's the only central place I know of where such reuse licensing issues are documented. The form letters wld have to be modified to make sense in being about a printed book, but they are well worth a read in any case.
In practical terms for the case you describe, I'd reckon a letter to the publisher or other followup contact with them would be in order. You'd think that at least the publisher wld want to be alerted that the work they'd paid some author for contains material that someone else (original wiki contributor/s) has the copyright on and its being reused contrary to its licensing conditions. Such an approach would be strengthened if it came from the contributor(s) of the text, but it doesn't have to. In order to find out which contributor(s) originally added some piece of text, there's a tool called WikiBlame that can be used. It can help identify the exact edit in which a piece of text was first added (and also help to demonstrate that some wiki passage was put together over time and over multiple edits, ie that it wasn't itself just copied wholesale from somewhere else).
So I guess first step is demonstrating that the text originated in wikipedia, and who the orig content contributors were. What are some of the suspect passages, and from which article(s) do you think they come from? I'd be interested in any followups, and wld be glad to help (when back online with a little more availability than I have right now) if I can. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 05:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a quote in the 2012 phenomenon article (McKenna originally considered it an incidental observation that his and José Argüelles dates matched, a sign of the end date "being programmed into our unconscious") that has never been sourced, and I'm not sure but I think you added it. If you could provide a citation for that quote I would much appreciate it. Thanks. Serendi pod ous 12:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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<ref>Smith 2008, p.123</ref>
after the statement to be cited.None of these are perfect, but nonetheless good models for what I'd like to see.
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This is my username: Jess.maureen ( talk) 19:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
This is my username: Stamford Raffles ( talk) 19:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC) I am working on: Arenal Prehistory Project
Anne Egitto Archaeochica ( talk) 19:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
This is my username. Robinlb ( talk) 19:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Michael Davis Mhughdavis ( talk) 19:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Maggie Cargill Mcargill05 ( talk) 21:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC) I would like to work on something about ancient central american religious tradition, something that involves animal iconography and therianthropy. If not, I'd like to work on something related to the earliest peoples and their way life. Maybe the emergence and initial uses of pottery?
This is my username: Alexnort ( talk) 22:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Blair Benson Roxrule ( talk) 02:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC) I'm working on Pre-Columbian burial mounds of Costa Rica
Adam Benfer Adambenfer ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC). I'm writing about Las Mercedes.
Brandy Entsminger: Bentsminger ( talk) 18:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC): Fray Adrian de Santo Tomas
Jessica Burger Jessburgs ( talk) 15:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Greg Kauffman Gregk78 ( talk) 14:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC) I'm working on the Sitio Conte site.
Brendon Asher Brendon5 ( talk) 14:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC) I would like to research the Turrialba Clovis site (Guardiria) in eastern Costa Rica
Aaron Pendergrass. I'm considering writing about megafauna or another 'paleo' topic like subsistence strategies. I'm most interested in older topics - such as the first peoples known to inhabit/pass through this area. Please inform me whether this is inappropriate or of any good sources. Thank you. Aaropender ( talk) 16:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Michael Grotz: I would like to work on topics related to Costa Rican archeology. I'm interesting in gaining a sense of the unique mind behind the material culture of the Americas. I have a sense of what's going on in the mind of the East and the West, but I'd like to know what's going on/was going on in the South, as a distinctive cultural and ideological region. M.Grotz ( talk) 16:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Miles Golson: Milesag ( talk) 18:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Michelle Phillips: Mishellaneous ( talk) 18:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)Mishellaneous I plan on updating the information on the Lenca of Honduras and El Salvador.
Robert Shin: Rpshin ( talk) 20:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Samantha Bradbeer: Sbradbeer ( talk)16: 16, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Samuel Kirkland Lothrop
Piper Wolfe: Pjwolfe ( talk) 15:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC) - Olga F. Linares
Robin L. Bang. As noted above, I would like to work on Greater Nicoya. Robinlb ( talk) 15:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
David Gonzalez Davidggonz ( talk) 04:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Patrick Green patmgreen Writing a general Paleoindian article, my apologies for not signing in on this page
Kt West Ktwest ( talk) 21:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Brigid Dunn Brigidsu ( talk) 17:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Nathan hutchcraft ( talk) 23:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC) I am going to be working on a page for author Patrick Geryl
Dougweller ( talk) is a Wikipedia administrator with a special interest in archaeology and pseudoarchaeology. As noted above, he's posted some helpful comments in the section of his talk page titled Student Editors at KU. Please let me know if other Wikipedia administrators are giving you feedback on your entries so that I can share that feedback with others. Hoopes ( talk) 17:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just reverted 2 edits, these [3] which rejects the reasons given originally and suggests some sort of bias as a reason instead. I hadn't realised it might be one of your students until I checked their talk page. Dougweller ( talk) 20:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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Start out with using the particular referencing system wikipedia calls
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after the statement to be cited.
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None of these are perfect, but nonetheless good models for what I'd like to see. Of course, there are lots of other examples listed on the course website. The objective is to provide adequate coverage for anyone searching on topics related to pseudoarchaeology.
For some examples of articles to which I have contributed major revisions, see:
Ktwest ( talk) 02:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC) I was wondering if I could switch my topic, it falls under the same category, but I'd just like to focus on diseases that were caused by the transition to farming. paleopathology
Hey, Hoopes. Just a heads up about this sort off thing [4]. The highlighting can be turned of by clicking the Skype icon that, on my screen,is extreme top right with a green/white phone and 123 on it. Then just untick 'Turn number highlighting on'. Rgds, Mannafredo ( talk) 14:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I see one of your students is working on an article on this person, he needs to read the deletion discussion before recreating the article. Ah, looking again, he can't create it, it's protected. Interesting. I have to think about that, maybe go to WP:DRV but he'll have to show evidence that he's met the earlier objections. Dougweller ( talk) 09:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
We already have David Childress. Dougweller ( talk) 18:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
mwescoe ( talk)I was thinking of adding my DH Childress page to the existing David Childress page. specifically about his Olmec book. does that seem more appropriate? —Preceding undated comment added 20:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC).