Can you have a look at my redirects section on my talk page. I think its quite valuable, provided 2 of many refs to support it. It appears your online, and i dont know any other WA's on. Thanks alot. Twenty Years 02:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Your threshold is higher than mine in respect of certain redirects. I recall a time when we had several hundred pointing to the article at one stage. — Moondyne 03:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Thanks, you're very kind. :) I think he will pass and he'll probably be a very good admin but I personally just don't feel comfortable with it. Anyway, thanks, your message was very kind. Sarah 04:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Entirely no idea why that took place - I'm still in Dongara atm, will review properly when I get back. On cursory look, I'd have no opposition to the history being restored. Orderinchaos 07:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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For always being a constant source of help, very much appreciated. Twenty Years 12:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply |
I understand the issues. However, if you do that,you can't really get out of merging the Meissner and Bentham arrangements too. Circeus 18:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I had cause to quote a more pithy comment, [1] ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 01:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Ah ..! Ya don't see craftsm'nship like that any more. It's amazing you are doing it under GFDL, if it is credited at all. But a credit you are - to a nation not reknowned for speaking real good. We may have to export you. Best regards, ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 01:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I have forgotten your last official pronouncement on the status of the article - some generous outsider suggests too long - I have some annotation I wish to put in now that Ive found luke pens book - is it worth the gnashing and gnarling of the gyre (fred will appreciate that maybe) and gimble in the wabe (no apologies to lewis carroll or his mates), or are you gonna leave it as is? Satu Suro 02:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
cheers re the breakup or unitary state - twas brillig and the slivey toves (today is remember every jabberwocky, hunting of the snark and john lennon quote sats might remember day) - ok cheers Satu Suro 02:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Indeed for the stub called Members of the Western Australian Legislative Council, 1832-1870 (it crept up there over time) - it deserves mention for its artistry and sheer tenacity with difficult materialI do not understand very well the English language. Arzautz 13:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
... your edit [2] here and am inspired by the light blue redlink to sign up there. The image I threw in was from NLA, btw. I imagine any questions I have, regarding this venture, can be gleaned from what you have done already. Cheers, ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 01:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
There was an incessant barking from the large dogs kept on the grounds, but it was not a problem.
Listen.
— Auntie Gert, Ida, a novel?
An opinion would be appreciated as to the possible merge as found on the talk page of above - cheers Satu Suro 04:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
someone from outside oz is doing a dirty on my woldendorp stub - please help Satu Suro 13:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Yeah but they are pretty flowers and they just love being photographed, seriously thanks I was looking to increase the range of image variations for that article since its natural habitat is was so close to home. I'll remember to do more barking with other species as well. Also got seeds to extract will do that as well, then photograph.
Gnan
garra
14:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
reply
I was going to pick Platylobium formosum but it might be a waste of time. The writing seems to be on the wall for this sort of thing. There is a vendetta with the Fabaceae family, could be merged with Art Bean's gang. It could all turn out like the family above.
Btw, I altered the Pimlea (I had it at one stage :P) image following the format you used. The new one as well. Regards Fred ☻ 01:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
My immediate goal is to separate plants from animals (and perhaps fungi, but I havent yet run into any). If we need to do a mass rename we could commission a bot to do it or ask categories for discussion. In addition to your species/subspecies dilemma, we also have at least four other issues:
As far as subspecies-specific invasive species, idealy the subspecies would have its own article. Neutrality talk 05:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I've asked Circeus to have a look at it (it makes good companion to B integrifolia)- it's amazing how polished you left it and the more I think about it the more I think we should run it through FA. I can take the strain batting off the criticisms and fixes if you're busy. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 06:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Regardless of whatever your personal opinions are of other editors, would you please just sit on it for a while, because the way you have been going in the last week is putting you into a very tenious position where even I am starting to hear of the disturbances in the force. Granted, you may have invested a bit of time writing the article in question, but the user who rated it in a manner which drew your ire has learnt to steer clear of this kind of work until he has a better grasp of things. Myself and other project members are in constant contact with the user, and we now have a solid program of works and some time management principals in place for him which caters to the type of work he feels comfortable doing, and will help him become a better editor. For the benefit of both yourself and the user in question, please forward any future concerns you may have regarding the user via either Gnangarra, Moondyne, Orderinchaos, or myself if you can bring yourself to do that. Thewinchester (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Thats fair enough, and i do accept your apology. In future i do hope that you and i can sort out or differences for the sake of the encyclopedia. I look forward to working with you in the not-too-distant future so that you may better understand how i function, and i can better understand how you function. I understand that you were merely trying to get your point across, and i think i learnt one valuable lesson from last night: "dont do repetative shit when ur too tired to concentrate". In the future, i think i will try to work with you on a few projects, including some Western Australian MP's, something which you may not realise i am interested in (and i think you are too). Anywho, best wishes. Twenty Years 13:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
After being awash in Sowebry art, today's feature picture brought no relief. It did lead to an article, there may be some inspiration in the short treatment of the book, Kunstformen der Natur. Fred ☻ 00:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Good one - bet its rife with all the rubbish about it on this little space ship :| Satu Suro 01:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Brearlery - couldnt work out what was going on - it looked odd rather than broken. oh well - I obviously need new glasses. hmmm Satu Suro 02:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
A big thank you for your nomination, support, comments, updates and assistance at my rfa -- Melburnian 13:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Considering the state of the article when I got there [3], there was little to salvage. But more importantly, I saw an opportunity to introduce Theo's Run into the town article which gives it, together with the Field Day section a critical mass. I agree that it is encyclopaedic but cannot ever see much beyond 3 or 4 sentences, and so a redirect seems the sensible outcome. — Moondyne 06:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Do we need border checks? luggage checks? Satu Suro 07:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I enjoyed your copyfraud essay (well not actually yours but the one you copied) but wondered about the legalities of its own copyright status. Now that its gone, I can ask. — Moondyne 07:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
People who put their articles on their userpage first and foremost have their priorities straight. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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Awarded to Hesperian for many contributions including multiple FAs to plant articles. We need Snottygobble as an FA. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply |
Oh jeepers, I need to go to sleep then I guess. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
There is a request pending regarding a Billardiera scandens DYK nomination. Please respond here. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 02:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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On July 19, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Billardiera scandens, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
It's not the sort of diff one would like to see quoted in some RfC down the track. :| Orderinchaos 04:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I know juniper taught at hale and ggs - but i cannot remember seeing anything about him being a student at either - do you know one way or other? Satu Suro 05:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC) am getting the new glasses next week - sorry about that : | Satu Suro 05:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
That guy sounds like he got whacked over NPOV somewhere else on Wikipedia and is trolling over it... I can't see any other reason for that pattern of editing, right off at the start. While there are some good, even excellent additions, the NPOV warring is silly. Circeus 19:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I have made a suggestion on Aurors talk page regarding our Probationary blocks, and was just after the four (involved) WP:WA admins thoughts on it, i would ask you to leave your thoughts on this proposal in that part of the page please. Thank you for taking this into consideration, best wishes. Twenty Years 14:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I am sure there was a paddle steamer with that name in the 20's? Satu Suro 15:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Of the 507 hist on henrietta enough to make the blood boil the claim to copyright by the library service at http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/wammo/westr/westrviewc.html - the gall to claim copyright of something like that. Satu Suro 15:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Regarding the other night - i was 100% correct - he he. But, after seeing your swift action on trust, I didn't really sleep worrying needlessly I might be wrong - but, all the evidence was there, clear as day. -- Merbabu 12:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I have cleaned up your edits, it appears you had dupliacted the history and campus sections, so i just deleted the first use of each section. Hope this is ok. Im your partial revert, you also left the list of school sports facilities, which to my mind is somewhat unenclopedic. Also the schools mission/mission statement, which in the eyes of some wiki-commentators is blaitant POV pushing. Please consider some of these thoughts...Cheers. Twenty Years 12:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi :-) Since you've worked a lot in the flora categories, I was wondering if you could take a look at the conversations here and here. Thanks! -- Rkitko ( talk) 17:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi Hesperiam, by coincidence I was analyzing this source (Brummitt) now and I noticed some mistakes, basically in the Brazilian areas, but nothing problematic, but he refers the areas more for recording plant distributions, what is different from floristic areas, that are much more scientific, based on the work of Good, 1947, taking into consideration not only the geopolitics, but also vegetation type, climate, relief, latitude, pluviometric regimen and endemisms rate. But if you want to continue using this source (that is very important!) I won't object this, not at all. I am really thinking difficult to classify for floristic regions, because there is no unanimity and it lacks an article about this in Wikipedia, only Provinces based on Takhtajan, endorsed by Brummitt (but it is about provinces). Thanks. Berton 00:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi Hesperian, I would like to know your opinion about this topic: what is Norfolk Island status? Officially it is territory of Australia, but it is in the List of countries, and in the Category:Oceanian countries. In IUCN red list also. It has own territory, flag, ethnic composition (majority from Pitcairn), own language, own legislative power. Then I think that we should include Category:Flora of Norfolk Island in the Category:Flora by country, don't?. Berton 14:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Banksia ericifolia is at FAC...cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 14:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi, Hesperian, and thanks for your participation in my RfA. I've withdrawn it, and will be writing up an "analysis" of it, which will soon be available at User:Giggy/RfA/Giggy when it's done. Please come around when you get the chance, and give me feedback on how I can improve. Thanks again, Giggy U C P 04:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Can I get your views on my contributions and how you think I could improve them? I would appreciate all input. Thank you very much! Auroranorth 10:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC) reply
If you get a chance, can you please take a look at the Talk Page for Template talk:Age in years and days where I asked some questions about Invalid Dates? Thanks. ( Joseph A. Spadaro 20:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)) reply
Any progress with this? Hesperian 11:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC) reply
I'm prepared to let this stand, per the right to vanish. But it is you whose comments have been refactored; I have no objection to you reverting. Its up to you. Hesperian 11:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/3 is next sunday 19th August, if you haven't already please sign on the meetup page if your coming, if your still unsure indicate anyway so I can confirm numbers with the venue thankyou Gnan garra 00:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC) reply
Can you have a look at my redirects section on my talk page. I think its quite valuable, provided 2 of many refs to support it. It appears your online, and i dont know any other WA's on. Thanks alot. Twenty Years 02:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Your threshold is higher than mine in respect of certain redirects. I recall a time when we had several hundred pointing to the article at one stage. — Moondyne 03:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Thanks, you're very kind. :) I think he will pass and he'll probably be a very good admin but I personally just don't feel comfortable with it. Anyway, thanks, your message was very kind. Sarah 04:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Entirely no idea why that took place - I'm still in Dongara atm, will review properly when I get back. On cursory look, I'd have no opposition to the history being restored. Orderinchaos 07:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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For always being a constant source of help, very much appreciated. Twenty Years 12:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply |
I understand the issues. However, if you do that,you can't really get out of merging the Meissner and Bentham arrangements too. Circeus 18:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I had cause to quote a more pithy comment, [1] ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 01:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Ah ..! Ya don't see craftsm'nship like that any more. It's amazing you are doing it under GFDL, if it is credited at all. But a credit you are - to a nation not reknowned for speaking real good. We may have to export you. Best regards, ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 01:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I have forgotten your last official pronouncement on the status of the article - some generous outsider suggests too long - I have some annotation I wish to put in now that Ive found luke pens book - is it worth the gnashing and gnarling of the gyre (fred will appreciate that maybe) and gimble in the wabe (no apologies to lewis carroll or his mates), or are you gonna leave it as is? Satu Suro 02:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
cheers re the breakup or unitary state - twas brillig and the slivey toves (today is remember every jabberwocky, hunting of the snark and john lennon quote sats might remember day) - ok cheers Satu Suro 02:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Indeed for the stub called Members of the Western Australian Legislative Council, 1832-1870 (it crept up there over time) - it deserves mention for its artistry and sheer tenacity with difficult materialI do not understand very well the English language. Arzautz 13:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply
... your edit [2] here and am inspired by the light blue redlink to sign up there. The image I threw in was from NLA, btw. I imagine any questions I have, regarding this venture, can be gleaned from what you have done already. Cheers, ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 01:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
There was an incessant barking from the large dogs kept on the grounds, but it was not a problem.
Listen.
— Auntie Gert, Ida, a novel?
An opinion would be appreciated as to the possible merge as found on the talk page of above - cheers Satu Suro 04:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
someone from outside oz is doing a dirty on my woldendorp stub - please help Satu Suro 13:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Yeah but they are pretty flowers and they just love being photographed, seriously thanks I was looking to increase the range of image variations for that article since its natural habitat is was so close to home. I'll remember to do more barking with other species as well. Also got seeds to extract will do that as well, then photograph.
Gnan
garra
14:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
reply
I was going to pick Platylobium formosum but it might be a waste of time. The writing seems to be on the wall for this sort of thing. There is a vendetta with the Fabaceae family, could be merged with Art Bean's gang. It could all turn out like the family above.
Btw, I altered the Pimlea (I had it at one stage :P) image following the format you used. The new one as well. Regards Fred ☻ 01:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
My immediate goal is to separate plants from animals (and perhaps fungi, but I havent yet run into any). If we need to do a mass rename we could commission a bot to do it or ask categories for discussion. In addition to your species/subspecies dilemma, we also have at least four other issues:
As far as subspecies-specific invasive species, idealy the subspecies would have its own article. Neutrality talk 05:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I've asked Circeus to have a look at it (it makes good companion to B integrifolia)- it's amazing how polished you left it and the more I think about it the more I think we should run it through FA. I can take the strain batting off the criticisms and fixes if you're busy. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 06:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Regardless of whatever your personal opinions are of other editors, would you please just sit on it for a while, because the way you have been going in the last week is putting you into a very tenious position where even I am starting to hear of the disturbances in the force. Granted, you may have invested a bit of time writing the article in question, but the user who rated it in a manner which drew your ire has learnt to steer clear of this kind of work until he has a better grasp of things. Myself and other project members are in constant contact with the user, and we now have a solid program of works and some time management principals in place for him which caters to the type of work he feels comfortable doing, and will help him become a better editor. For the benefit of both yourself and the user in question, please forward any future concerns you may have regarding the user via either Gnangarra, Moondyne, Orderinchaos, or myself if you can bring yourself to do that. Thewinchester (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Thats fair enough, and i do accept your apology. In future i do hope that you and i can sort out or differences for the sake of the encyclopedia. I look forward to working with you in the not-too-distant future so that you may better understand how i function, and i can better understand how you function. I understand that you were merely trying to get your point across, and i think i learnt one valuable lesson from last night: "dont do repetative shit when ur too tired to concentrate". In the future, i think i will try to work with you on a few projects, including some Western Australian MP's, something which you may not realise i am interested in (and i think you are too). Anywho, best wishes. Twenty Years 13:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC) reply
After being awash in Sowebry art, today's feature picture brought no relief. It did lead to an article, there may be some inspiration in the short treatment of the book, Kunstformen der Natur. Fred ☻ 00:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Good one - bet its rife with all the rubbish about it on this little space ship :| Satu Suro 01:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Brearlery - couldnt work out what was going on - it looked odd rather than broken. oh well - I obviously need new glasses. hmmm Satu Suro 02:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
A big thank you for your nomination, support, comments, updates and assistance at my rfa -- Melburnian 13:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Considering the state of the article when I got there [3], there was little to salvage. But more importantly, I saw an opportunity to introduce Theo's Run into the town article which gives it, together with the Field Day section a critical mass. I agree that it is encyclopaedic but cannot ever see much beyond 3 or 4 sentences, and so a redirect seems the sensible outcome. — Moondyne 06:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Do we need border checks? luggage checks? Satu Suro 07:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I enjoyed your copyfraud essay (well not actually yours but the one you copied) but wondered about the legalities of its own copyright status. Now that its gone, I can ask. — Moondyne 07:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
People who put their articles on their userpage first and foremost have their priorities straight. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The Fauna Barnstar | |
Awarded to Hesperian for many contributions including multiple FAs to plant articles. We need Snottygobble as an FA. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply |
Oh jeepers, I need to go to sleep then I guess. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply
There is a request pending regarding a Billardiera scandens DYK nomination. Please respond here. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 02:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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On July 19, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Billardiera scandens, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
It's not the sort of diff one would like to see quoted in some RfC down the track. :| Orderinchaos 04:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I know juniper taught at hale and ggs - but i cannot remember seeing anything about him being a student at either - do you know one way or other? Satu Suro 05:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC) am getting the new glasses next week - sorry about that : | Satu Suro 05:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
That guy sounds like he got whacked over NPOV somewhere else on Wikipedia and is trolling over it... I can't see any other reason for that pattern of editing, right off at the start. While there are some good, even excellent additions, the NPOV warring is silly. Circeus 19:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I have made a suggestion on Aurors talk page regarding our Probationary blocks, and was just after the four (involved) WP:WA admins thoughts on it, i would ask you to leave your thoughts on this proposal in that part of the page please. Thank you for taking this into consideration, best wishes. Twenty Years 14:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I am sure there was a paddle steamer with that name in the 20's? Satu Suro 15:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Of the 507 hist on henrietta enough to make the blood boil the claim to copyright by the library service at http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/wammo/westr/westrviewc.html - the gall to claim copyright of something like that. Satu Suro 15:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Regarding the other night - i was 100% correct - he he. But, after seeing your swift action on trust, I didn't really sleep worrying needlessly I might be wrong - but, all the evidence was there, clear as day. -- Merbabu 12:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I have cleaned up your edits, it appears you had dupliacted the history and campus sections, so i just deleted the first use of each section. Hope this is ok. Im your partial revert, you also left the list of school sports facilities, which to my mind is somewhat unenclopedic. Also the schools mission/mission statement, which in the eyes of some wiki-commentators is blaitant POV pushing. Please consider some of these thoughts...Cheers. Twenty Years 12:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi :-) Since you've worked a lot in the flora categories, I was wondering if you could take a look at the conversations here and here. Thanks! -- Rkitko ( talk) 17:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi Hesperiam, by coincidence I was analyzing this source (Brummitt) now and I noticed some mistakes, basically in the Brazilian areas, but nothing problematic, but he refers the areas more for recording plant distributions, what is different from floristic areas, that are much more scientific, based on the work of Good, 1947, taking into consideration not only the geopolitics, but also vegetation type, climate, relief, latitude, pluviometric regimen and endemisms rate. But if you want to continue using this source (that is very important!) I won't object this, not at all. I am really thinking difficult to classify for floristic regions, because there is no unanimity and it lacks an article about this in Wikipedia, only Provinces based on Takhtajan, endorsed by Brummitt (but it is about provinces). Thanks. Berton 00:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi Hesperian, I would like to know your opinion about this topic: what is Norfolk Island status? Officially it is territory of Australia, but it is in the List of countries, and in the Category:Oceanian countries. In IUCN red list also. It has own territory, flag, ethnic composition (majority from Pitcairn), own language, own legislative power. Then I think that we should include Category:Flora of Norfolk Island in the Category:Flora by country, don't?. Berton 14:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Banksia ericifolia is at FAC...cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 14:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Hi, Hesperian, and thanks for your participation in my RfA. I've withdrawn it, and will be writing up an "analysis" of it, which will soon be available at User:Giggy/RfA/Giggy when it's done. Please come around when you get the chance, and give me feedback on how I can improve. Thanks again, Giggy U C P 04:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Can I get your views on my contributions and how you think I could improve them? I would appreciate all input. Thank you very much! Auroranorth 10:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC) reply
If you get a chance, can you please take a look at the Talk Page for Template talk:Age in years and days where I asked some questions about Invalid Dates? Thanks. ( Joseph A. Spadaro 20:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)) reply
Any progress with this? Hesperian 11:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC) reply
I'm prepared to let this stand, per the right to vanish. But it is you whose comments have been refactored; I have no objection to you reverting. Its up to you. Hesperian 11:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/3 is next sunday 19th August, if you haven't already please sign on the meetup page if your coming, if your still unsure indicate anyway so I can confirm numbers with the venue thankyou Gnan garra 00:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC) reply