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Hello, Grayfell. Regarding your recent edit. I think the definition you provided might be too restrictive, since it excludes civil cases. While criminal cases get the most attention, justice (or lack thereof) is still an issue in civil proceedings. I'm not sure if a civil case is cited in the article, but racial discrimination in jury selection in a civil matter might still be an appealable issue. I would hope that you might share your thoughts on that. Also, with regard to the all-black jury reference... that came from some of the extensive research done on the racial compositions of juries, and how that may effect outcomes. Not one source. Some surprising results. Gulbenk ( talk) 00:02, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Grayfell. Thank you for your comments. I am obviously new at Wikipedia editing and still finding my feet. I am a student at the university in question, but was never asked to edit the page and I am in no way benefitting from these edits, bit do not wish for any information on the page to appear biased. The previous page on the university was about two paragraphs long, outdated (did not even have the correct name of the university as a heading) and was therefore inadequate for anyone to gain any information on the institution. My goal is to provide a proper overview of the university that may perhaps assist potential students and others in future. Also, hopefully others will contribute and fill in the gaps on the page.
On various forums the question has been posed what type of company/university would hire gradates from the institution as it is not very well known. To answer that question I thought a sample of gradates employed in academia and business will allow readers to form an opinion on whether the degrees offered has sufficient utility. For instance, if someone with a PhD is only a lecturer it may not have enough utility in academia, while if someone with an MBA serves on a board it may have enough utility in business, etc. The purpose therefore is not to find the most notable alumni. Can you let me know how I can change the section to be acceptable in terms of Wikipedia policies?
Thanks again. Brian Tomlinson ( talk) 08:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
I respectfully request that you actually read the excised portions of the article before you blindly restore them. Here's a point-by-point explanation for you.
https://www.technewsworld.com/story/79385.html Everyone quoted from this article in support of the claim “Apple devices, such as the iPhone and iPad, are notoriously difficult to repair” runs a repair website, including Kyle Wiens, cofounder of iFixit.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/01/apple-screwing-new-iphones-out-of-simple-diy-repair/ “"This screw head clearly has one purpose," iFixit CEO Kyle Wiens told Ars. "To keep you out."” Blind speculation. “infamously adopted” is also not neutrally phrased.
“According to Kyle Wiens, co-founder of an online repair community, a possible goal for such design is to make the cost of repairs comparable to the replacement cost, or to prevent any form of servicing of the product at all.” This is the CEO of iFixit again, speculating with a conflict of interest.
https://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/cease-and-desist-manuals-planned-obsolescence/ The author of this article is, you guessed it, the CEO of iFixit.
“Some products, such as Apple mobile devices, contain batteries that are not user-replaceable after they have worn down. While such a design can help make the device thinner, it also makes it difficult to replace the battery without sending the entire device away for repairs or purchasing a replacement (whereupon the original item then becomes waste that must be disposed of). [1]” The claim at the beginning is unsourced, but perhaps this section could be rewritten to rescue this reference which is at least not to an iFixit marketing piece.
So almost every claim in this section is sourced to the CEO of iFixit, who is obviously not a neutral source. The whole section is very weak and overly focused on essentially one company's product, the iPhone, which shares these characteristics with almost every phone on the market. The preponderance of phone repair stores in the world serves as simple refutation of the idea that phones can't be repaired. They are likely, in fact, one of the most repaired products in the world.
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Heya! Are you an editor here? I'd like to talk to you about actual meaningful revisions to the Gab social network's page, and not just random, tug-of-war edits between public IP addresses. The essential issue is with the unsubstantiated characterization of the site as "exclusively for the alt-right and white nationalists" listed in the article summary. Although I see that the more slanderous "white nationalists" bit has been removed, the fundamental issue with the source for the entire characterization remains, and I believe that as an open criticism of the site, it should be under the criticism heading if anything. I already saved the change, but as this account is new, I wished to discuss it before pushing it to the live page so that the reasoning behind the issue with the source can be understood.
I have described the problems with this characterization in greater detail here, which you should be able to access as well from the two edits I made to the page. I'm not certain exactly what the standard process is for managing "hot topics" such as this, so please feel free to help me in making sure Wikipedia remains unbiased and fair for all.
Kanryo12 ( talk) 23:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC)Kanryo12
Several times you have threatened my IP with an editing ban because of my edits to the Johnny Rebel article where I changed the description of, "...feature overtly racist lyrics." to "Featured lyrics denouncing Welfare, Affirmative Action, and promoted Segregation." as that was what Johnny Rebel was. It is a discredit, and travesty to simply describe him as "overtly racist" because that doesn't give enough information to any reader. I do not deny that Johnny Rebel was racist, no one is arguing against that. But to not describe the contents of his work as you would with any other's, means that the description is being used as a pejorative. Thus it does not belong on Wikipedia. 96.30.166.83 ( talk) 06:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)IP
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Dear Grayfell, you have refereed me to the conflict of interest guideline, and to the Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. After carefully reading these guidelines. While as a novice to Wikipedia, it is always helpful for me to learn about such guidelines, I was curious as to why my edits made you think I should read these guidelines? Specifically, I don't see why my edits may be perceived as OR. Again, thank you for your help NetworkScholar ( talk) 07:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). If in doubt, don't make the edit. Limit of one revert in 24 hours: This article is under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period).
Speficially you violated the first of these. I'm not going to suggest sanctions for anyone right now but everyone needs to get agreement on this now. I'm not terribly fond of this one, but there you are. Doug Weller talk 13:40, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, could you check whether the writing style of Rec Room (video game) is OK now? If not, could you be more specific about what to improve? Thanks! Martin Kraus ( talk) 21:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC) And I kept editing it a bit more to make sense. Martin Kraus ( talk) 22:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand why you think I am vandalising the page. I replied to another user saying I reverted the edits, that are blatantly false that link the Identitarians with National Bolshevism (something which is a giant meme in right-wing communities). Please tell me the exact problem you have with what I did. There were no sources linked in the edits, but yet they were allowed - when I try and remove those false edits I'm asked to give sources?
Where is the logic here? JM17 ( talk) 22:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
...on current editing on Aryan Brotherhood. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 03:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Grayfell Thanks for your messages about editing this page. I am (relatively) inexperienced on Wikipedia and have only dealt with historical figures, rather than contemporary. I take your point about YouTube link. I did wonder about changing it since there are more "legitimate" sources such as The Telegraph and Sydney Morning Herald with the same content. I'll take a look at the biography guidelines and other comments on the Talk:Sogyal_Rinpoche page and rethink it from there.
There was one older piece of information that definitely needs changing, as Sogyal Rinpoche is no longer travelling to teach, so I shall amend this.
PhilipP123 ( talk) 10:25, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Greetings Greyfell. I notived yoi removed a cite from Shlef Awareness, as well as another that looks dodgy, from the article on Post Hill. Shelf Awareness seema like a legot source to me. here's a link to their website ans I've linked their Wikipedia page above. Can we restore the cite? FloridaArmy ( talk) 07:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please revert. You have been here long enough to know what BLP guidelines have to say about comments such as yours and it would be appreciated. It would be appreciated if you would do the right thing and remove it altogether. I'd really rather not take this elsewhere, but will if you choose to dig your heels in on it. BLPs -including BLP talkpages - are to be treated carefully because of liability issues. I'm asking you to abide by policy. Thanks, -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 10:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The United Nations human rights office on Friday rejected his words as "racist" and inciting xenophobia.You may choose to consider this a subjective opinion if necessary, but neutrality is not served by evasive language. Subjective opinions can be included on talk pages when it is in service of improving the article. Grayfell ( talk) 10:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I was not proposing that the Ben Carson article describe Trump as a racist, nor was I saying that it should describe his comments as racist, even if I strongly believe they were. I was agreeing with you that we would need reliable sources before even attempting to include any of this in the article. I would extend that to any other article, as well. Any description of these comments would need a discussion on the hypothetical article's talk page. Discussing how to include content in articles is the purpose of talk pages, and we must have the ability to discuss these kinds of things without pointless interference.
Talk pages do not, absolutely not, have exactly the same BLP guidelines as articles. Among other differences, those comments I posted were my own, with my signature as attribution. Further, nothing I posted there was fabricated, nor was it purely insulting with no informational content. "Racist" conveys discrete information about his meaning, how the comment was perceived by others, and other things. Not every single unflattering attribute needs to be prefaced by 'allegedly', because that would be disruptive and misleading. This is sometimes true in articles, but especially in discussions of those articles on talk pages.
At this point, I've said all I have to say on this. Grayfell ( talk) 22:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Difficult for ***Inexperienced editors***, which likely includes the IP who we were responding to...*** to turn to the following: "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion." when pertinent questions and comments on subject of article Ben Carson, made on "the appropriate discussion page", are coatracked (synonym: "censored"). This *inexperienced editor* thus feels useless any attempt at asking at the appropriate discussion page if Mr. Carson had shown any emotion at Mr. Trump's alleged racist slur. In view of the controversy, this *inexperienced editor* felt the question was an obvious one to ask, but, to his surprise, found himself muzzled in the process. With my best wishes for 2018, my apologies to
Grayfell for the use of his space. --
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Check out Paramilitary. And while you're at it, read my comments on the talk page please. The article ignores all the American rightwing groups that are paramilitaries, in fact the definition seems to exclude them. I get tired of editors making up definitions that don't take into account reliable sources using the term. Or not using it, eg Stateless nation where people don't seem to get WP:VERIFY. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 09:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Sea Org 100% is paramilitary. There is no better description in terms of how it is RUN. Question: Not sure why the examples were deleted though, ie. use of "Sir" etc (is that "editorializing"?) Should this be added in the body of the text somewhere instead? Having spent 10 years in the Sea Org myself I can tell you first hand it is 100% patterned on the U.S Navy and is 100% run as a paramiliary organization in FORM. The Churches it manages below it are not and are "civilian" entities, for lack of a better word. This is because L Ron Hubbard was a commissioned officer in the US Navy in the 1940s. He formed the Sea Organization in the 1970s to manage all the Churches worldwide, and as an example of the parallels of the Sea Org with the U.S Navy: the rank of Petty Officer 3rd Class all the way up to Admiral (LRH himself) are mirrors of the U.S rank system and insignia. You will find some Sea Org officials are "midshipman" and "lieutenant." CEO's of the Sea Org organizations are all "captains." That's just one small thing. 110.20.254.30 ( talk) 09:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello Grayfell, thanks for the feedback — I understand perfectly (and I am incidentally responsible for deleting some of the previous non-neutral/commercial material on this page). Regarding the awards section, please note that my original edit simply listed the awards in chronological order, and that I restored the original version when I thought it had been mistakenly deleted by one of your reverts. Best regards Theearthisbluelikeanorange ( talk) 23:06, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Greetings, The I.P hopping was unintentional. With that detail out of the way, I would like to take the time to explain the motivation behind my recent edit. The page on Far-right politics accurately describe how dangerous ideologies oppress people based on preconceived notions of racial, ethnic, or national superiority. However, in order to maintain a politically neutral image on wikipedia, the Far-left's effects must be called out as well. History has shown that Far-left movements have been known to take things overboard. Far-left movements have been known to destroy buildings, commit murder based on social class, and violently repress dissent.
I know the majority of wikipedia's editors hold a leftist viewpoint on certain political aspect. But to downright deny the extremism of one end of the political spectrum is completely in violation of the rule of a neutral point of view. It seems that critical remarks about left-wing politics must be heavily cited, and agreed upon. Whereas critical remarks about right-wing politics often go uncited, unchecked, and are added without an iota of consideration. If we are to truly be a neutral site, then both extremes of the political spectrum should be looked at from a critical standpoint.
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---Hi Grayfell! I just wanted to address your comment about conflict of interest on my talk page. I started as an editor with Wikipedia in hopes to contribute my research capabilities to this knowledge community. The first article I chose was out of my personal interest. I found the article to have alot of issues which seems to be common themes of biographies in Wikipedia. The article needed a lot of help. I've been conducting extensive research to be able to provide content and reference to the subject matter. That is what I am hoping to do for my contribution to Wikipedia articles that might lack content. There is no conflict of interest because I have no connection or association with the subject matter except that I enjoyed a television show associated with the person in the past. I think biographies in general need a lot of work on Wikipedia and I hope I can do my part in the contribution. I also want to finish what I started and when I find new references of information I want to update the articles that I lend my research abilities to. I hope this clarifies any questions regarding my involvement in the article. Thank you! 09violet06 ( talk) 18:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is not censored, and content is not removed on the sole grounds of perceived offensiveness.
Thank you. Indeed the principle of perceived offensiveness applies to the second paragraph of the Evola articles I removed.
Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material.
Countless users have done that before me ever since the article was modified from a perfectly fine, informative encyclopedic article to an attack piece full of personal feelings, interpreted from second hand sources when first hand sources are readily available to contradict the majority of claims made there (and have been brought up in the talk section). Even the picture was changed from what is probably the most famous and recognizable one to a more obscure, less flattering one.
All this happening coincidentally after politically charged articles established a disputable link between a contemporary controversial political figure and Evola.
As far as I'm aware Wikipedia is not a political diary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.229.122 ( talk) 21:47, 31 January 2018
Hi Greyfell, thanks for your suggestion that future proposals to the White Privilege page should include actionable changes, and I have proposed this discreet and concise change. I think this is a better approach rather than going too broad or getting too abstract.
I have proposed the following and look forward to your comments on the talk page.
"Conor Friedersdorf objects to privilege theory by arguing that it replaces color-blindness with a “hyper-emphasis on everyone's racial or ethnic background, including artificially constructed majoritarian whiteness” and that such practice might be counter-productive noting: “nothing in U.S. history leads me to believe that encouraging people to regard whiteness as the core of their identity will end well." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/the-limits-of-talking-about-privilege/386021/ Keith Johnston ( talk) 10:36, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
"That same privilege has been unjustly denied to other groups, especially blacks."This demonstrates that Friedersdorf understands that privilege exists, and is worth discussing in some contexts, because he gives a specific example of it and then discusses it. He is not "objecting to privilege theory" as a whole, he is, at most, challenging how it's used in schools. He specifically says this is about pedagogy. As the current Wikipedia article already says, in the lede, "white privilege" is an accepted academic term which has been thrust into mainstream attention. Friedersdorf's point, for what it's worth, is completely different from what you're claiming it is.
I sometimes act extremely stupid and don't realize somethings, I didn't realize it said "After 2018"... Thanks for fixing that! 👍 DBG Channel ( talk) 19:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello - I am a bit confused as to what is objectionable to adding an explanation of what Communications Platform as a Service or CPaaS is. I would think people would want to know as it is a new breed of PaaS. Also, I apologize but I cannot view where to add a new section to your talk page. Perhaps you can give me a primer on that. Thanks. Otherworlder1 ( talk) 20:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello - I am not affiliated with any of the vendors listed. I just noticed that this category was missing from the PaaS category. I am re-adding the sentence minus the vendors although I do not believe this is a good idea because it doesn't give anyone any way to research further. Otherworlder1 ( talk) 21:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for helping me out here! Being new, I am still trying to learn how things work on Wikipedia. I tried declaring the 'Paid Contributor' thing on my User Page as I am associated with Policybazaar. I am looking to update the page (Policybazaar) as this page actually lacks information. The page was last updated way back and since then plenty of things have changed. I'm not trying to promotional here, but I have sources (citations) for every information that I trying to update on this page. We are actually a notable company in India and with an updated Wikipedia page our intention is to just provide enough information to the users about the company. I am actually very new to this thing and there are things that don't completely understand. I would request you to please help me out here. Please suggest how to go about updating the information on the page. If you'll look at the introduction part of the page, you'll find there is just one sentence. This not make it clear for the reader as to what the company is all about, who manages the company, what's special about their services. So I request you to kindly help me out here and guide me as to what I should do (I actually am confused om how to make these updates and rest assured, I have enough proofs {citations and news links) to validate all the information (that I am looking to update). Thank you in advance. -- Saumyaraghav ( talk) 10:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, As explained earlier, I have already revealed 'Paid Contributor' on my user page and also raised 'requested edit' on the page in question (Policybazaar). Also, I wanted to bring to your notice that I have made some changes in the content (edit) to ensure the information is neutral and mnot promotional. Would you please have a look and guide me. Actually, things are so technical out here that I am getting more and more confused. Please help me out with the same. I will look forward to your expert feedback. Thanks in advance. -- Saumyaraghav ( talk) 11:31, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me, this is all new to me. I requested a change in user name; it is pending. I know it is frustrating to deal with someone just learning the system when you're very experienced. I appreciate high standards, that is why it's important to me to insert this correct information. Thomas Dunn did not publish the first proposed criteria for orthorexia in 2015 and obviously it is important to you to have correct information, so if you could let me know what would be an appropriate citation - are you saying that if I change my username then it is appropriate for me to add this info? Or are you saying that I need to find outside experts who will vouch for the information? Because I have the 2013 published book right here with ISBN and everything, so I'm not sure what is more legit as a citation than the actual publication. Can you explain why there is such a thing as too much information when people are going to wikipedia to learn? Or can you refer me to an info page, because I'm sure you have explained these same things a million times before and have it written somewhere. Thanks again for your help. Understandingnutrition (talk) 06:23, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Understandingnutrition ( talk) 06:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
... [5], [6] and [7]. - - DVdm ( talk) 10:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey...Can we chat Prabhujiy ( talk) 05:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Grayfell,plzz don't edit my edits on page Kripalu Maharaj,as a junior brother,I m requesting you.i need your help,give me your fb id,I need a urgent help,someone is trying to tease me.help your junior brother. Prabhujiy ( talk) 04:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Help me,give me a link to chat u. Prabhujiy ( talk) 04:17, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Grayfell...I warn u...Don't dare to mess with me...Do u even know who Jagadguruttam Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj is??..Ask an Vaishnav.I know him...Don't claim ownership on any page...Wiki is all about editing and sharing...Don't act as my "BOSS".I m warning u on behalf of your dozen of warnings... Whichever page I edit...It's a valid one...I know things ...Then I edit...Not like you ... Becoming boss of wiki...Don't mess with me ..or...U will regret..Bye. Prabhujiy ( talk) 07:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Grayfell... Listen...I myself don't want any dispute.I simply edit the page Kripalu Maharaj because things written about him need more clarification.He is a Jagadguru from India and it's an insult to such a personality writing his name without proper respect.I know everything about him.Its totally a disrespect in personality of highest ordered saint that his name one his Wiki is without his title.I can promise you that I only edit things that I know 100%.N I m not making him look good on wikipedia.Its a fact.He's an incarnation of Lord Chaitanya.It's proven by the Kashi Vidvat Parishat.I m from India,I m a Hindu... Accept this that I know much more about Hinduism then you know.Simply.U knw abt your religion...Your Pope's,Your bishops and Father's of Churches.I know Hinduism from top to bottom because I m a Hindu.I m an Indian.Love U frnd💖💖💖.Bye.
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Hello, Grayfell. Regarding your recent edit. I think the definition you provided might be too restrictive, since it excludes civil cases. While criminal cases get the most attention, justice (or lack thereof) is still an issue in civil proceedings. I'm not sure if a civil case is cited in the article, but racial discrimination in jury selection in a civil matter might still be an appealable issue. I would hope that you might share your thoughts on that. Also, with regard to the all-black jury reference... that came from some of the extensive research done on the racial compositions of juries, and how that may effect outcomes. Not one source. Some surprising results. Gulbenk ( talk) 00:02, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Grayfell. Thank you for your comments. I am obviously new at Wikipedia editing and still finding my feet. I am a student at the university in question, but was never asked to edit the page and I am in no way benefitting from these edits, bit do not wish for any information on the page to appear biased. The previous page on the university was about two paragraphs long, outdated (did not even have the correct name of the university as a heading) and was therefore inadequate for anyone to gain any information on the institution. My goal is to provide a proper overview of the university that may perhaps assist potential students and others in future. Also, hopefully others will contribute and fill in the gaps on the page.
On various forums the question has been posed what type of company/university would hire gradates from the institution as it is not very well known. To answer that question I thought a sample of gradates employed in academia and business will allow readers to form an opinion on whether the degrees offered has sufficient utility. For instance, if someone with a PhD is only a lecturer it may not have enough utility in academia, while if someone with an MBA serves on a board it may have enough utility in business, etc. The purpose therefore is not to find the most notable alumni. Can you let me know how I can change the section to be acceptable in terms of Wikipedia policies?
Thanks again. Brian Tomlinson ( talk) 08:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
I respectfully request that you actually read the excised portions of the article before you blindly restore them. Here's a point-by-point explanation for you.
https://www.technewsworld.com/story/79385.html Everyone quoted from this article in support of the claim “Apple devices, such as the iPhone and iPad, are notoriously difficult to repair” runs a repair website, including Kyle Wiens, cofounder of iFixit.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/01/apple-screwing-new-iphones-out-of-simple-diy-repair/ “"This screw head clearly has one purpose," iFixit CEO Kyle Wiens told Ars. "To keep you out."” Blind speculation. “infamously adopted” is also not neutrally phrased.
“According to Kyle Wiens, co-founder of an online repair community, a possible goal for such design is to make the cost of repairs comparable to the replacement cost, or to prevent any form of servicing of the product at all.” This is the CEO of iFixit again, speculating with a conflict of interest.
https://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/cease-and-desist-manuals-planned-obsolescence/ The author of this article is, you guessed it, the CEO of iFixit.
“Some products, such as Apple mobile devices, contain batteries that are not user-replaceable after they have worn down. While such a design can help make the device thinner, it also makes it difficult to replace the battery without sending the entire device away for repairs or purchasing a replacement (whereupon the original item then becomes waste that must be disposed of). [1]” The claim at the beginning is unsourced, but perhaps this section could be rewritten to rescue this reference which is at least not to an iFixit marketing piece.
So almost every claim in this section is sourced to the CEO of iFixit, who is obviously not a neutral source. The whole section is very weak and overly focused on essentially one company's product, the iPhone, which shares these characteristics with almost every phone on the market. The preponderance of phone repair stores in the world serves as simple refutation of the idea that phones can't be repaired. They are likely, in fact, one of the most repaired products in the world.
211.28.146.134 ( talk) 10:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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Heya! Are you an editor here? I'd like to talk to you about actual meaningful revisions to the Gab social network's page, and not just random, tug-of-war edits between public IP addresses. The essential issue is with the unsubstantiated characterization of the site as "exclusively for the alt-right and white nationalists" listed in the article summary. Although I see that the more slanderous "white nationalists" bit has been removed, the fundamental issue with the source for the entire characterization remains, and I believe that as an open criticism of the site, it should be under the criticism heading if anything. I already saved the change, but as this account is new, I wished to discuss it before pushing it to the live page so that the reasoning behind the issue with the source can be understood.
I have described the problems with this characterization in greater detail here, which you should be able to access as well from the two edits I made to the page. I'm not certain exactly what the standard process is for managing "hot topics" such as this, so please feel free to help me in making sure Wikipedia remains unbiased and fair for all.
Kanryo12 ( talk) 23:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC)Kanryo12
Several times you have threatened my IP with an editing ban because of my edits to the Johnny Rebel article where I changed the description of, "...feature overtly racist lyrics." to "Featured lyrics denouncing Welfare, Affirmative Action, and promoted Segregation." as that was what Johnny Rebel was. It is a discredit, and travesty to simply describe him as "overtly racist" because that doesn't give enough information to any reader. I do not deny that Johnny Rebel was racist, no one is arguing against that. But to not describe the contents of his work as you would with any other's, means that the description is being used as a pejorative. Thus it does not belong on Wikipedia. 96.30.166.83 ( talk) 06:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)IP
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Dear Grayfell, you have refereed me to the conflict of interest guideline, and to the Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. After carefully reading these guidelines. While as a novice to Wikipedia, it is always helpful for me to learn about such guidelines, I was curious as to why my edits made you think I should read these guidelines? Specifically, I don't see why my edits may be perceived as OR. Again, thank you for your help NetworkScholar ( talk) 07:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). If in doubt, don't make the edit. Limit of one revert in 24 hours: This article is under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period).
Speficially you violated the first of these. I'm not going to suggest sanctions for anyone right now but everyone needs to get agreement on this now. I'm not terribly fond of this one, but there you are. Doug Weller talk 13:40, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, could you check whether the writing style of Rec Room (video game) is OK now? If not, could you be more specific about what to improve? Thanks! Martin Kraus ( talk) 21:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC) And I kept editing it a bit more to make sense. Martin Kraus ( talk) 22:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand why you think I am vandalising the page. I replied to another user saying I reverted the edits, that are blatantly false that link the Identitarians with National Bolshevism (something which is a giant meme in right-wing communities). Please tell me the exact problem you have with what I did. There were no sources linked in the edits, but yet they were allowed - when I try and remove those false edits I'm asked to give sources?
Where is the logic here? JM17 ( talk) 22:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
...on current editing on Aryan Brotherhood. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 03:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Grayfell Thanks for your messages about editing this page. I am (relatively) inexperienced on Wikipedia and have only dealt with historical figures, rather than contemporary. I take your point about YouTube link. I did wonder about changing it since there are more "legitimate" sources such as The Telegraph and Sydney Morning Herald with the same content. I'll take a look at the biography guidelines and other comments on the Talk:Sogyal_Rinpoche page and rethink it from there.
There was one older piece of information that definitely needs changing, as Sogyal Rinpoche is no longer travelling to teach, so I shall amend this.
PhilipP123 ( talk) 10:25, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Greetings Greyfell. I notived yoi removed a cite from Shlef Awareness, as well as another that looks dodgy, from the article on Post Hill. Shelf Awareness seema like a legot source to me. here's a link to their website ans I've linked their Wikipedia page above. Can we restore the cite? FloridaArmy ( talk) 07:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please revert. You have been here long enough to know what BLP guidelines have to say about comments such as yours and it would be appreciated. It would be appreciated if you would do the right thing and remove it altogether. I'd really rather not take this elsewhere, but will if you choose to dig your heels in on it. BLPs -including BLP talkpages - are to be treated carefully because of liability issues. I'm asking you to abide by policy. Thanks, -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 10:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The United Nations human rights office on Friday rejected his words as "racist" and inciting xenophobia.You may choose to consider this a subjective opinion if necessary, but neutrality is not served by evasive language. Subjective opinions can be included on talk pages when it is in service of improving the article. Grayfell ( talk) 10:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I was not proposing that the Ben Carson article describe Trump as a racist, nor was I saying that it should describe his comments as racist, even if I strongly believe they were. I was agreeing with you that we would need reliable sources before even attempting to include any of this in the article. I would extend that to any other article, as well. Any description of these comments would need a discussion on the hypothetical article's talk page. Discussing how to include content in articles is the purpose of talk pages, and we must have the ability to discuss these kinds of things without pointless interference.
Talk pages do not, absolutely not, have exactly the same BLP guidelines as articles. Among other differences, those comments I posted were my own, with my signature as attribution. Further, nothing I posted there was fabricated, nor was it purely insulting with no informational content. "Racist" conveys discrete information about his meaning, how the comment was perceived by others, and other things. Not every single unflattering attribute needs to be prefaced by 'allegedly', because that would be disruptive and misleading. This is sometimes true in articles, but especially in discussions of those articles on talk pages.
At this point, I've said all I have to say on this. Grayfell ( talk) 22:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Difficult for ***Inexperienced editors***, which likely includes the IP who we were responding to...*** to turn to the following: "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion." when pertinent questions and comments on subject of article Ben Carson, made on "the appropriate discussion page", are coatracked (synonym: "censored"). This *inexperienced editor* thus feels useless any attempt at asking at the appropriate discussion page if Mr. Carson had shown any emotion at Mr. Trump's alleged racist slur. In view of the controversy, this *inexperienced editor* felt the question was an obvious one to ask, but, to his surprise, found himself muzzled in the process. With my best wishes for 2018, my apologies to
Grayfell for the use of his space. --
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Check out Paramilitary. And while you're at it, read my comments on the talk page please. The article ignores all the American rightwing groups that are paramilitaries, in fact the definition seems to exclude them. I get tired of editors making up definitions that don't take into account reliable sources using the term. Or not using it, eg Stateless nation where people don't seem to get WP:VERIFY. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 09:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Sea Org 100% is paramilitary. There is no better description in terms of how it is RUN. Question: Not sure why the examples were deleted though, ie. use of "Sir" etc (is that "editorializing"?) Should this be added in the body of the text somewhere instead? Having spent 10 years in the Sea Org myself I can tell you first hand it is 100% patterned on the U.S Navy and is 100% run as a paramiliary organization in FORM. The Churches it manages below it are not and are "civilian" entities, for lack of a better word. This is because L Ron Hubbard was a commissioned officer in the US Navy in the 1940s. He formed the Sea Organization in the 1970s to manage all the Churches worldwide, and as an example of the parallels of the Sea Org with the U.S Navy: the rank of Petty Officer 3rd Class all the way up to Admiral (LRH himself) are mirrors of the U.S rank system and insignia. You will find some Sea Org officials are "midshipman" and "lieutenant." CEO's of the Sea Org organizations are all "captains." That's just one small thing. 110.20.254.30 ( talk) 09:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello Grayfell, thanks for the feedback — I understand perfectly (and I am incidentally responsible for deleting some of the previous non-neutral/commercial material on this page). Regarding the awards section, please note that my original edit simply listed the awards in chronological order, and that I restored the original version when I thought it had been mistakenly deleted by one of your reverts. Best regards Theearthisbluelikeanorange ( talk) 23:06, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Greetings, The I.P hopping was unintentional. With that detail out of the way, I would like to take the time to explain the motivation behind my recent edit. The page on Far-right politics accurately describe how dangerous ideologies oppress people based on preconceived notions of racial, ethnic, or national superiority. However, in order to maintain a politically neutral image on wikipedia, the Far-left's effects must be called out as well. History has shown that Far-left movements have been known to take things overboard. Far-left movements have been known to destroy buildings, commit murder based on social class, and violently repress dissent.
I know the majority of wikipedia's editors hold a leftist viewpoint on certain political aspect. But to downright deny the extremism of one end of the political spectrum is completely in violation of the rule of a neutral point of view. It seems that critical remarks about left-wing politics must be heavily cited, and agreed upon. Whereas critical remarks about right-wing politics often go uncited, unchecked, and are added without an iota of consideration. If we are to truly be a neutral site, then both extremes of the political spectrum should be looked at from a critical standpoint.
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You had previously participated in discussions concerning a possible photo for the Webcam Model article.
A new appropriate photo (Elements for Camming Session) for the article has been recently proposed upon the article's talk page. If you get a chance please consider weighing in on that talk page's discussion on the photo, so that we can achieve a consensus and move forward with an engaging photo for that refurbished article. James Carroll ( talk) 19:00, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello Grayfell. This is to inform you that your request on WP:USURP is now complete. Regards, — MarcoAurelio ( talk) 15:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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---Hi Grayfell! I just wanted to address your comment about conflict of interest on my talk page. I started as an editor with Wikipedia in hopes to contribute my research capabilities to this knowledge community. The first article I chose was out of my personal interest. I found the article to have alot of issues which seems to be common themes of biographies in Wikipedia. The article needed a lot of help. I've been conducting extensive research to be able to provide content and reference to the subject matter. That is what I am hoping to do for my contribution to Wikipedia articles that might lack content. There is no conflict of interest because I have no connection or association with the subject matter except that I enjoyed a television show associated with the person in the past. I think biographies in general need a lot of work on Wikipedia and I hope I can do my part in the contribution. I also want to finish what I started and when I find new references of information I want to update the articles that I lend my research abilities to. I hope this clarifies any questions regarding my involvement in the article. Thank you! 09violet06 ( talk) 18:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is not censored, and content is not removed on the sole grounds of perceived offensiveness.
Thank you. Indeed the principle of perceived offensiveness applies to the second paragraph of the Evola articles I removed.
Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material.
Countless users have done that before me ever since the article was modified from a perfectly fine, informative encyclopedic article to an attack piece full of personal feelings, interpreted from second hand sources when first hand sources are readily available to contradict the majority of claims made there (and have been brought up in the talk section). Even the picture was changed from what is probably the most famous and recognizable one to a more obscure, less flattering one.
All this happening coincidentally after politically charged articles established a disputable link between a contemporary controversial political figure and Evola.
As far as I'm aware Wikipedia is not a political diary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.229.122 ( talk) 21:47, 31 January 2018
Hi Greyfell, thanks for your suggestion that future proposals to the White Privilege page should include actionable changes, and I have proposed this discreet and concise change. I think this is a better approach rather than going too broad or getting too abstract.
I have proposed the following and look forward to your comments on the talk page.
"Conor Friedersdorf objects to privilege theory by arguing that it replaces color-blindness with a “hyper-emphasis on everyone's racial or ethnic background, including artificially constructed majoritarian whiteness” and that such practice might be counter-productive noting: “nothing in U.S. history leads me to believe that encouraging people to regard whiteness as the core of their identity will end well." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/the-limits-of-talking-about-privilege/386021/ Keith Johnston ( talk) 10:36, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
"That same privilege has been unjustly denied to other groups, especially blacks."This demonstrates that Friedersdorf understands that privilege exists, and is worth discussing in some contexts, because he gives a specific example of it and then discusses it. He is not "objecting to privilege theory" as a whole, he is, at most, challenging how it's used in schools. He specifically says this is about pedagogy. As the current Wikipedia article already says, in the lede, "white privilege" is an accepted academic term which has been thrust into mainstream attention. Friedersdorf's point, for what it's worth, is completely different from what you're claiming it is.
I sometimes act extremely stupid and don't realize somethings, I didn't realize it said "After 2018"... Thanks for fixing that! 👍 DBG Channel ( talk) 19:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello - I am a bit confused as to what is objectionable to adding an explanation of what Communications Platform as a Service or CPaaS is. I would think people would want to know as it is a new breed of PaaS. Also, I apologize but I cannot view where to add a new section to your talk page. Perhaps you can give me a primer on that. Thanks. Otherworlder1 ( talk) 20:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello - I am not affiliated with any of the vendors listed. I just noticed that this category was missing from the PaaS category. I am re-adding the sentence minus the vendors although I do not believe this is a good idea because it doesn't give anyone any way to research further. Otherworlder1 ( talk) 21:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for helping me out here! Being new, I am still trying to learn how things work on Wikipedia. I tried declaring the 'Paid Contributor' thing on my User Page as I am associated with Policybazaar. I am looking to update the page (Policybazaar) as this page actually lacks information. The page was last updated way back and since then plenty of things have changed. I'm not trying to promotional here, but I have sources (citations) for every information that I trying to update on this page. We are actually a notable company in India and with an updated Wikipedia page our intention is to just provide enough information to the users about the company. I am actually very new to this thing and there are things that don't completely understand. I would request you to please help me out here. Please suggest how to go about updating the information on the page. If you'll look at the introduction part of the page, you'll find there is just one sentence. This not make it clear for the reader as to what the company is all about, who manages the company, what's special about their services. So I request you to kindly help me out here and guide me as to what I should do (I actually am confused om how to make these updates and rest assured, I have enough proofs {citations and news links) to validate all the information (that I am looking to update). Thank you in advance. -- Saumyaraghav ( talk) 10:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, As explained earlier, I have already revealed 'Paid Contributor' on my user page and also raised 'requested edit' on the page in question (Policybazaar). Also, I wanted to bring to your notice that I have made some changes in the content (edit) to ensure the information is neutral and mnot promotional. Would you please have a look and guide me. Actually, things are so technical out here that I am getting more and more confused. Please help me out with the same. I will look forward to your expert feedback. Thanks in advance. -- Saumyaraghav ( talk) 11:31, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me, this is all new to me. I requested a change in user name; it is pending. I know it is frustrating to deal with someone just learning the system when you're very experienced. I appreciate high standards, that is why it's important to me to insert this correct information. Thomas Dunn did not publish the first proposed criteria for orthorexia in 2015 and obviously it is important to you to have correct information, so if you could let me know what would be an appropriate citation - are you saying that if I change my username then it is appropriate for me to add this info? Or are you saying that I need to find outside experts who will vouch for the information? Because I have the 2013 published book right here with ISBN and everything, so I'm not sure what is more legit as a citation than the actual publication. Can you explain why there is such a thing as too much information when people are going to wikipedia to learn? Or can you refer me to an info page, because I'm sure you have explained these same things a million times before and have it written somewhere. Thanks again for your help. Understandingnutrition (talk) 06:23, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Understandingnutrition ( talk) 06:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
... [5], [6] and [7]. - - DVdm ( talk) 10:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey...Can we chat Prabhujiy ( talk) 05:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Grayfell,plzz don't edit my edits on page Kripalu Maharaj,as a junior brother,I m requesting you.i need your help,give me your fb id,I need a urgent help,someone is trying to tease me.help your junior brother. Prabhujiy ( talk) 04:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Help me,give me a link to chat u. Prabhujiy ( talk) 04:17, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Grayfell...I warn u...Don't dare to mess with me...Do u even know who Jagadguruttam Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj is??..Ask an Vaishnav.I know him...Don't claim ownership on any page...Wiki is all about editing and sharing...Don't act as my "BOSS".I m warning u on behalf of your dozen of warnings... Whichever page I edit...It's a valid one...I know things ...Then I edit...Not like you ... Becoming boss of wiki...Don't mess with me ..or...U will regret..Bye. Prabhujiy ( talk) 07:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Grayfell... Listen...I myself don't want any dispute.I simply edit the page Kripalu Maharaj because things written about him need more clarification.He is a Jagadguru from India and it's an insult to such a personality writing his name without proper respect.I know everything about him.Its totally a disrespect in personality of highest ordered saint that his name one his Wiki is without his title.I can promise you that I only edit things that I know 100%.N I m not making him look good on wikipedia.Its a fact.He's an incarnation of Lord Chaitanya.It's proven by the Kashi Vidvat Parishat.I m from India,I m a Hindu... Accept this that I know much more about Hinduism then you know.Simply.U knw abt your religion...Your Pope's,Your bishops and Father's of Churches.I know Hinduism from top to bottom because I m a Hindu.I m an Indian.Love U frnd💖💖💖.Bye.
Prabhujiy.☺☺☺☺ Prabhujiy ( talk) 08:05, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
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