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Happy new year, in friendship! - Thank you for still being around! (just met another one who left ...) - The image is all bright, blue sky and massive snow on high trees. - One of my pics is on the Main page, DYK? - In this young year, I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
today's music in memory of JK - the large pic there shows a 1957 black&white iconic scene: Stockhausen lecturing at the Darmstädter Ferienkurse. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Don't disrespect Dental surgeon by merely calling them medical professionals. Dentist are primary specialist of the jaw face and dentition. No other medical specialist or surgeon is legally or academically qualified to treat this anatomy of human body. Its my personal warning to Wikipedia and to you. Don't provoke us or dental community to take radical action against this site. I am not a lay person. Hemiplegiaxx ( talk) 17:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
I know you are administrator of this page. But blocking me will result in most serious consequences. Hemiplegiaxx ( talk) 17:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi Graham, happy new year!
I happened across a curiosity - HomePage Vandalism. It doesn't exist, and is only linked to from an extremely old user talk archive. Think you can find out what happened?
Best wishes, — Scott • talk 17:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Something different again: Do you think the first 6 revisions of WhatIsaWiki, before Larry Sanger changed it to a redirect, should be history merged with Wikipedia:What is a wiki? It looks like the latter was created with an early copy and paste move. I'd say yes. — Scott • talk 14:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the lowercase and changing the link to .com instead of .co.il I also noticed that you changed my Google search keywords to a page number reference. Not sure why you did that, is there a reason that I should be aware in future edits? I checked your link and it seems to return different pages from what I had. Specifically, my link used to return page 174 in addition to page 175 that you linked to and that page contained some of the text I was summarizing in the article. When I try to follow either my old link or your new one now I only get pages 173 and 175. for page 174, I get the message: "You have either reached a page that is unavailable for viewing or reached your viewing limit for this book".
Can we try to figure out how to create a reliable link that consistently returns the bottom half of page 174 and the top half of page 175? Thanks again. Annette Maon ( talk) 21:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
this link seems to work. Annette Maon ( talk) 21:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
At least it does for me. Can you check if you can see page 174 as well? Annette Maon ( talk) 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I am fascinated by your ability to overcome blindness and make such significant contributions to Wikipedia. As a sighted person, it is hard for me to imagine the obstacles you face, the way you use tools to overcome them and the difficulties that still restrict you even when you use these tools. I am more familiar with other disabilities like dyslexia, ADHD and Asperger and with how the coping mechanisms people develop to deal with them make them more productive in their own way than people who never have to overcome a disability. I do not wish to intrude or gawk but if there is anything I can do to help you bypass some obstacles, please let me know.
Dealing specifically with the link I posted above, I would like to learn how to make it and the google books text that it refers to accessible to you. I need your help in figuring out how to do that because I do not know enough about the tools you use and the adjustments I need to make. I took a screenshot of the bottom of page 174 and converted it into the following text:
A double reworking of the past is found in “Don't Cry for Me, Argentina” in Evita. Its verse structure and accompaniment not only is based on the Prelude in C major, the first of J. S. Bach's “48,” but also owes part of its melodic approach to the Gounod adaptation (as a setting of the Ave Maria) through the superimposition of a sustained melody line over Bach's broken chords. Unlike Gounod's version, Lloyd Webber uses only the first six bars of the Bach chord sequence, completing them as a fifteen-bar unit (another unusual section length, as with the Mendelssohn adaptation). The melodic
— John Snelson, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Page 174
Can you read it now? Is there some way I can help you access that same text in the original google books link? Annette Maon ( talk) 11:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Even if you don't, just knowing what is and is not available to you helps me learn how to make my references more accessible. I really appreciate your feedback. Annette Maon ( talk) 13:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your earnest attention to accuracy at the First Wikipedia edit page. I want, FYI, to call your attention to my beginning a top to bottom check of citations and their formatting (since I have no subject matter expertise to bring to bear, there). In doing the first eight citations, I had to make one correction (misused <ref name = "gizmo"> citation, vis-a-vis date of January 15th date appearing in text). But more critically I hit a wall in trying to interpret and check the author TwoOneTwo (HomePage) citation, because the page that appears via the link does not seem to be the one desired by the editor that placed it. (User:TwoOneTwo does not appear on the page, nor does the date that is given for the citation, so something is amiss.) I wrote an in-text (<!-- type) note to explain, and marked the note text with clarification needed and the citation with failed verification so that it could be rectified.
Again, kudos for the hard work there. Pass on to others that you know deserve credit. Cheers. 2601:246:C700:558:4934:BD1D:2B41:D139 ( talk) 21:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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The Fast Rollback barnstar |
I've never seen someone revert 20 times in 1 minute. That's a way to earn and achieve this barnstar. Severe storm 28 04:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller had to wait days for a Main page appearance under recent deaths, and then stayed not even for a full day (with white space in my view instead of his name). It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year; it show a creek running in sunlight, with many little icicles lit by sunlight, probably hard to imagine in WA even if you can see ;) - The man in the cantata also says he saw the light. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm trying to create a bot to go to BRFA, but I appear to be- blocked from account creation via IP range? Pretty sure this isn't my own wrongdoing; what do I do? Thanks in advance! theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/ they) 12:06, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Um... what just happened? Can we get the article back? 🤔 Tewdar 18:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Graham 87.
I thank you for cleaning up my edits in the articles on Beethoven's Diabelli Variations and on Joseph Gelinek. In the latter, though, you removed all my linking, saying it was unnecessary. Whilst I might have overdone it for words like "piano" and "composer," people like Count Kinsky are not well-known, and I believe they should be linked to their articles (or, for this example, to his family's article). If you agree, I will reinsert the links I had made in contexts where it is necessary.
Thanks in advance, -- Meduer ( talk) 18:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
-- Meduer ( talk) 02:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
![]() | Happy First Edit Day! Hi Graham87! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy 17th anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! Thanks for all the good work you've done over the years! Cheers, {{u| Sdkb}} talk 19:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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ten years |
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I cherish working with you. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
What is this revert all about? You appear to have restored an unnecessary space. Spinning Spark 14:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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The Special Barnstar |
For showing that, no matter what kind of disability one may have, they can always improve Wikipedia. While I may never understand what it's like to be blind (in the sense that not even glasses can help), from what I do understand it makes Wikipedia a bit more difficult, and yet you still manage to pull through. Keep up the good work. ― Blaze Wolf TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 05:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
Hello, there @
Graham87. I have been actively editing tennis articles for the past 2 years and have consistently come across mentions like scope="col"
, scope="row"
being preferred for screen readers and to avoid as much as possible the usage of breaks
and other codes/wiki markups. My question here is: Is the parameter align=center
a screen reader-friendly...markup, for lack of a better term, or is the longer version style="text-align:center"
the code of choice. I am asking because I want to make sure the tables I edit comply with the accessibility requirements of Wikipedia, and also making sure the tennis pages contain daltonist-friendly colors, which don't apply to you, but you get my point. I am impressed and inspired by your work that you have done on Wikipedia, for the visually impaired, and as an admin. You are a role model to many younger editors, like myself, and a great ambassador for good Wikipedia etiquette and manners. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter. Sincerely,
Qwerty284651 (
talk) 23:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC) P. S. This is my first time getting in touch with an admin, which is really cool.
Qwerty284651 (
talk)
23:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
bgcolor=lemon|
can be used a substitute for style="background:lemon"|
? Oh, and one more thing. Why are scope=row and scope=col so important to be included in table wiki source and how does their absence have an impact on the usage of screen readers aka is there really a pause when playing back the audio from a screen reader, with the aforementioned parameters missing. Just curious. Sincerely,
Qwerty284651 (
talk)
06:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Thanks G87 for your interest in Bevan Rutt. I'd not come across the rather acrimonious dispute between "Guide Dogs for the Blind" and Seeing Eye Dogs Australia, in which stub there's a not-so-subtle reference, and am thinking of putting it on my "to-do" list. Do you have any good sources ? I have no personal involvement with either apart from being a resident of Harry's home town. Doug butler ( talk) 20:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Hi!
You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.
When someone edits a Wikimedia wiki without being logged in today, we show their IP address. As you may already know, we will not be able to do this in the future. This is a decision by the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, because norms and regulations for privacy online have changed.
Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.
If you have not seen it before, you can read more on Meta. If you want to make sure you don’t miss technical changes on the Wikimedia wikis, you can subscribe to the weekly technical newsletter.
We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.
Thank you. / Johan (WMF)
18:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
![]() | |
in friendship |
---|
Happy new year, in friendship! - Thank you for still being around! (just met another one who left ...) - The image is all bright, blue sky and massive snow on high trees. - One of my pics is on the Main page, DYK? - In this young year, I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
today's music in memory of JK - the large pic there shows a 1957 black&white iconic scene: Stockhausen lecturing at the Darmstädter Ferienkurse. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Don't disrespect Dental surgeon by merely calling them medical professionals. Dentist are primary specialist of the jaw face and dentition. No other medical specialist or surgeon is legally or academically qualified to treat this anatomy of human body. Its my personal warning to Wikipedia and to you. Don't provoke us or dental community to take radical action against this site. I am not a lay person. Hemiplegiaxx ( talk) 17:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
I know you are administrator of this page. But blocking me will result in most serious consequences. Hemiplegiaxx ( talk) 17:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi Graham, happy new year!
I happened across a curiosity - HomePage Vandalism. It doesn't exist, and is only linked to from an extremely old user talk archive. Think you can find out what happened?
Best wishes, — Scott • talk 17:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Something different again: Do you think the first 6 revisions of WhatIsaWiki, before Larry Sanger changed it to a redirect, should be history merged with Wikipedia:What is a wiki? It looks like the latter was created with an early copy and paste move. I'd say yes. — Scott • talk 14:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the lowercase and changing the link to .com instead of .co.il I also noticed that you changed my Google search keywords to a page number reference. Not sure why you did that, is there a reason that I should be aware in future edits? I checked your link and it seems to return different pages from what I had. Specifically, my link used to return page 174 in addition to page 175 that you linked to and that page contained some of the text I was summarizing in the article. When I try to follow either my old link or your new one now I only get pages 173 and 175. for page 174, I get the message: "You have either reached a page that is unavailable for viewing or reached your viewing limit for this book".
Can we try to figure out how to create a reliable link that consistently returns the bottom half of page 174 and the top half of page 175? Thanks again. Annette Maon ( talk) 21:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
this link seems to work. Annette Maon ( talk) 21:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
At least it does for me. Can you check if you can see page 174 as well? Annette Maon ( talk) 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I am fascinated by your ability to overcome blindness and make such significant contributions to Wikipedia. As a sighted person, it is hard for me to imagine the obstacles you face, the way you use tools to overcome them and the difficulties that still restrict you even when you use these tools. I am more familiar with other disabilities like dyslexia, ADHD and Asperger and with how the coping mechanisms people develop to deal with them make them more productive in their own way than people who never have to overcome a disability. I do not wish to intrude or gawk but if there is anything I can do to help you bypass some obstacles, please let me know.
Dealing specifically with the link I posted above, I would like to learn how to make it and the google books text that it refers to accessible to you. I need your help in figuring out how to do that because I do not know enough about the tools you use and the adjustments I need to make. I took a screenshot of the bottom of page 174 and converted it into the following text:
A double reworking of the past is found in “Don't Cry for Me, Argentina” in Evita. Its verse structure and accompaniment not only is based on the Prelude in C major, the first of J. S. Bach's “48,” but also owes part of its melodic approach to the Gounod adaptation (as a setting of the Ave Maria) through the superimposition of a sustained melody line over Bach's broken chords. Unlike Gounod's version, Lloyd Webber uses only the first six bars of the Bach chord sequence, completing them as a fifteen-bar unit (another unusual section length, as with the Mendelssohn adaptation). The melodic
— John Snelson, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Page 174
Can you read it now? Is there some way I can help you access that same text in the original google books link? Annette Maon ( talk) 11:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Even if you don't, just knowing what is and is not available to you helps me learn how to make my references more accessible. I really appreciate your feedback. Annette Maon ( talk) 13:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your earnest attention to accuracy at the First Wikipedia edit page. I want, FYI, to call your attention to my beginning a top to bottom check of citations and their formatting (since I have no subject matter expertise to bring to bear, there). In doing the first eight citations, I had to make one correction (misused <ref name = "gizmo"> citation, vis-a-vis date of January 15th date appearing in text). But more critically I hit a wall in trying to interpret and check the author TwoOneTwo (HomePage) citation, because the page that appears via the link does not seem to be the one desired by the editor that placed it. (User:TwoOneTwo does not appear on the page, nor does the date that is given for the citation, so something is amiss.) I wrote an in-text (<!-- type) note to explain, and marked the note text with clarification needed and the citation with failed verification so that it could be rectified.
Again, kudos for the hard work there. Pass on to others that you know deserve credit. Cheers. 2601:246:C700:558:4934:BD1D:2B41:D139 ( talk) 21:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
![]() |
The Fast Rollback barnstar |
I've never seen someone revert 20 times in 1 minute. That's a way to earn and achieve this barnstar. Severe storm 28 04:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC) |
![]() | |
frozen |
---|
Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller had to wait days for a Main page appearance under recent deaths, and then stayed not even for a full day (with white space in my view instead of his name). It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year; it show a creek running in sunlight, with many little icicles lit by sunlight, probably hard to imagine in WA even if you can see ;) - The man in the cantata also says he saw the light. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm trying to create a bot to go to BRFA, but I appear to be- blocked from account creation via IP range? Pretty sure this isn't my own wrongdoing; what do I do? Thanks in advance! theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/ they) 12:06, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Um... what just happened? Can we get the article back? 🤔 Tewdar 18:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Graham 87.
I thank you for cleaning up my edits in the articles on Beethoven's Diabelli Variations and on Joseph Gelinek. In the latter, though, you removed all my linking, saying it was unnecessary. Whilst I might have overdone it for words like "piano" and "composer," people like Count Kinsky are not well-known, and I believe they should be linked to their articles (or, for this example, to his family's article). If you agree, I will reinsert the links I had made in contexts where it is necessary.
Thanks in advance, -- Meduer ( talk) 18:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
-- Meduer ( talk) 02:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
![]() | Happy First Edit Day! Hi Graham87! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy 17th anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! Thanks for all the good work you've done over the years! Cheers, {{u| Sdkb}} talk 19:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
![]() |
| |
ten years |
---|
I cherish working with you. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
What is this revert all about? You appear to have restored an unnecessary space. Spinning Spark 14:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
![]() |
The Special Barnstar |
For showing that, no matter what kind of disability one may have, they can always improve Wikipedia. While I may never understand what it's like to be blind (in the sense that not even glasses can help), from what I do understand it makes Wikipedia a bit more difficult, and yet you still manage to pull through. Keep up the good work. ― Blaze Wolf TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 05:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
Hello, there @
Graham87. I have been actively editing tennis articles for the past 2 years and have consistently come across mentions like scope="col"
, scope="row"
being preferred for screen readers and to avoid as much as possible the usage of breaks
and other codes/wiki markups. My question here is: Is the parameter align=center
a screen reader-friendly...markup, for lack of a better term, or is the longer version style="text-align:center"
the code of choice. I am asking because I want to make sure the tables I edit comply with the accessibility requirements of Wikipedia, and also making sure the tennis pages contain daltonist-friendly colors, which don't apply to you, but you get my point. I am impressed and inspired by your work that you have done on Wikipedia, for the visually impaired, and as an admin. You are a role model to many younger editors, like myself, and a great ambassador for good Wikipedia etiquette and manners. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter. Sincerely,
Qwerty284651 (
talk) 23:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC) P. S. This is my first time getting in touch with an admin, which is really cool.
Qwerty284651 (
talk)
23:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
bgcolor=lemon|
can be used a substitute for style="background:lemon"|
? Oh, and one more thing. Why are scope=row and scope=col so important to be included in table wiki source and how does their absence have an impact on the usage of screen readers aka is there really a pause when playing back the audio from a screen reader, with the aforementioned parameters missing. Just curious. Sincerely,
Qwerty284651 (
talk)
06:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Thanks G87 for your interest in Bevan Rutt. I'd not come across the rather acrimonious dispute between "Guide Dogs for the Blind" and Seeing Eye Dogs Australia, in which stub there's a not-so-subtle reference, and am thinking of putting it on my "to-do" list. Do you have any good sources ? I have no personal involvement with either apart from being a resident of Harry's home town. Doug butler ( talk) 20:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)