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Wikipedia:POTD column/June 22, 2024
Wikipedia:POTD column -- this is the format used for the Main Page alternates. Please help keep this stocked up in advance for that project.
Instead of reverting your re-additions at community portal and help:contents, i'm replying to the comment raised at Template_talk:Browsebar#Is_this_bar_useful?, and invite you there to do same. -- Quiddity 21:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi GFI! Thank you for supporting my RfA and the kind words. The RfA passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, please drop me a line. I hope I keep impressing you. Cheers! ➨ ❝ R E DVERS ❞ 21:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Where is this Wikiproject? Given that there is an official scheduling rule, it should probably be mentioned in the instructions on WP:FPC since I just followed those. Thanks. howch e ng { chat} 07:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! Thank you for supporting / | |
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Dear Mr Blanning, thank you for choosing the ACME Auto-thanker! Simply strike out the phrases that do not apply and tear off this strip at the indicated line to give all your supporters and detractors the personalised response they so richly deserve. N.B: DO NOT FORGET TO TEAR THIS BIT OFF, MORON! |
Sorry, but I disagree with you :( Renata 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I apologize; I didn't realize that the upkeeper of the POTD was not an administrator and protected all of them (yes, I realized some of them were blank) in line with what happens at featured article of the day, where all the templates are protected as soon as they are created. I will unprotect all the April ones per your request; they will be protected again, though, immediately before they appear on the main page. (I'm one of the few admins responsible for protecting all the images and templates that appear on the main page.) Thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 21:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Do Portal:Temporary2, Portal:Temporary/Did you know and Portal:Temporary/Branches serve any purpose? Steve block talk 22:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
catagory rename, could use your support. possibly others? thanks ;) -- Quiddity 01:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for voting on my RfA. It passed with a consensus to promote of 45/7/1. To those of you concerned about the fact that I am a relative newcomer, I encourage you to poke me with a sharp stick if I make a mistake. Or better yet, let me know on my talk page, and I'll do my best to fix it. Mak emi 05:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I spotted a comment you made at the Help Desk discussion page: "I'm in the process of sweeping Wikipedia of links to all its question answering departments, and replacing them with a single link in each location to route all questions traffic through an upgraded Wikipedia:Questions page." Do you mind me asking how you "sweep" Wikipedia of all those links? How do you find them all? Carcharoth 21:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm already busy but I'll help out. The last thing we want is to have a red link n the Main Page. Now, where to I get the list of images from? Wikipedia:Tommorow's featured picture?-- Here T oHelp 23:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
They are posted in the order they achieved featured picture status as displayed on Wikipedia:Featured pictures thumbs 05, reading from the bottom right corner to the left. The picture for April 18th is "Crepuscular ray sunset", the 19th's is "Remembrance poppy", the 20th's is "The Three Sisters", etc. (There was another schedule formula before the 18th, in which Thumbs 02 was used on M/W/F, which is what to fall back on if new featured pics run out, which will happen eventually if they don't keep up to promoting 7 pics to featured status each week). April 15th's picture is "Monarch butterflies. -- Go for it! 00:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The new formula is not to switch between the thumbs, but go with Thumbs 5 all the way. -- Go for it! 00:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The browse links on the tips of the day are cool. I'll add them to the rest when I get the time.
BTW, I was looking at the code for that template to see if there was an easy way to adapt it to a 20 day or even a one-month warning system for Picture of the day (which we have stocked one month in advance). But the last 20 days/month of the year becomes problematic. --
Go for it! 15:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
For this whole week. I don't think I will be able to catch an hour of sleep this week... :( So I cannot do the motto thingie. If you want to take over - be my guest. Gosh, I cannot wait to graduate :) Renata 23:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I've put a basic layout up for this image. I havn't come across the column versions etc much before - where are they normally used? Cheers, Mike1024 ( t/ c) 00:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Just thought this might be interesting: Help talk:Contents#Tip of the day - remove.-- Here T oHelp 01:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
¡Dustimagic! ( T/ C) 05:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I was just thinking: we redesigned the Main Page and now a redesign of the Community Portal has already sprung up (apparently yours didn't go over too well...I like it but the redesign looks promising). SO: should we redo the help system in the same style? My observations:
So, comments? Also: what about getting 366 tips to cycle for every day of the year (including Feb 29)?-- Here T oHelp 21:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Define the scope of the page. I think it has become "how you can help" rather than "what's going on". Should it be all static? All dynamic? Something in between? Let's break it down:
Does that help?-- Here T oHelp 01:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
See my answer, in the next section. -- Go for it! 16:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you've brought up some key issues. Here's an analysis...
-- Go for it! 16:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Rather than aiming for an arbitrary number of tips, we should collect a body of tips which make up all of the essential things for a user to know in order to use Wikipedia well. If that's 366, then so be it. If its more, we should include them. But I expect that it'll be between 100 and 200. After that, the tips will likely be very obscure, and not useful to the typical Wikipedian. The more not-so-important tips we include, the more the important tips will be obscured by them. Figure out what Wikipedia needs the most, and what Wikipedians need the most, and provide them. -- Go for it! 23:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Once we've cycled through all the tips, a program can be written to either redisplay them in the same order, or a random order. Or we could just reschedule them by hand. -- Go for it! 23:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! Almost two years without any, then I get two in as many days! Happy editing, -- cj | talk 02:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that there is a typo (an extra ")") in the prepared syntax of the condensed version of the POTD:
<font size="+1">[[]]</font><br> <small>Photo credit: [[]])</small><br> <small>[[Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}|Archive]] - [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates|Nominate new image]]</small> |}
You see it? There in the after the photo credit? Can you just do a quick scan of all the condesned versions and delete that if it's there? Thanks. (And of course, don't magnify the typo by putting up for next month if you haven't done so). -- Here T oHelp 02:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm still scanning - found a couple errors so far, but no ")". -- Go for it! 03:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar. I like what you did with the 'includeonly' set of links on the 'tip of the day' pages so the user can get into browse mode directly from the tips. -- CBDunkerson 11:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It could be used for the POTD, but that implies installing it on all 500+ pics, in all of its versions. Instead, CBD and I are discussing a warning template, which will show the pic a month in advance, to better keep track of the buffer you and I set up. It's a trickier program, and I don't have time to encode it today. -- Go for it! 22:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
We are apparently talking about 2 different things. When you said "this" above, I thought you were referring to the application of day +/- 1 as used on the tips on the TOTD project page, which is what CBD and I were talking about. It displays "previous tip" and "next tip" on each day's tip. I'll probably display both the tip and the pic a month in advance, once I get that template set up. -- Go for it! 23:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Why did you remove all of that stuff from the community portal? I Lov E Plankton 18:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Community Portal/Menu
Just click on the subject you want, and that will lead you to the corresponding subpage. -- Go for it! 22:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Please point out the "numerous objections". -- Go for it! 21:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not going to list all the objections to
because that would take me hours. I'd hoped you were reading them... -- Quiddity 21:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
There is one thing you've been doing that I do object to. It's your use of rhetoric rather than logic in your arguments. For instance, you've been presenting objections out of context, such as those to "Tip of the day". You failed to mention that there have been far more contributors to TOTD than there are detractors (of which you seem to be the primary one). Each contribution can be rightfully interpretted as an endorsement of the project, as can each instance in which a user has placed one of the TOTD templates on their user pages. The project hasn't even launched yet, and already nearly 100 users have put the template on their user pagees. You didn't mention that in your analysis of the project's support. After the project launches, I wouldn't be surprised if the use of the templates increased to many hundreds.
You've made such a big issue of "plowing forward" in the face of opposition, when the primary opposition is you. In most cases, the sides have been about equal, and in some instances the sides were off by a single "vote". That does not make consensus.
Meanwhile, your approach of making the Community Portal look like the Main Page has its detractors as well, but you seem to ignore that as much as you accuse me of the same. You even used the opposition to the MP design applied to the CP as an argument against me. Note that I backed off from that direction of development very quickly, while you continue to storm on in that direction.
I do my best to accomodate critiques, and implement fixes to each and every problem that is pointed out. Though after much contemplation concerning design, I am diametrically opposed to homogenizing Wikipedia's major triumvirate (Main Page, Help page, Community Portal). Each needs its own identity.
That being said, I'm more interested in the organization of content than the color of the pages, but nobody else has come forward to improve on the color scheme. I even tried to base the CP's design on an award-winning user page, and that got just as many complaints. My conclusion is that there will always be those who aren't happy. I'm left wondering if we are swimming upstream against a process bias inherent in WP's design. It seems that users are much more likely to post their complaints on talk pages than they are to post compliments, praise, and encouragement. Most users seem to want to use the encyclopedia (or work on their favorite areas), rather than stop and comment (on anything else). It forces one to look for other clues of user appreciation, such as the volume of contributions to the CBB, and interpret that as support. We also know that about 30,000 users frequent Wikipedia every day. I would guess a fair portion of those (hundreds if not thousands) visit Help and the CP. And if only a handful of them are complaining, we must be doing something right. -- Go for it! 00:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Don't have time to write it up as a tip, but is this useful? Wikipedia:Help_Desk#Toolbar. Carcharoth 11:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Goforit, I have followed the community portal discussion only in part, but from the discussions above it seems that you don't exactly understand why people object to your rapid-fire experimentation on the community portal. There are several points to be mentioned:
It is my impression that several people are talking to you over these matters with great patience, and that a gesture of goodwill on your part would probably be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Kosebamse 08:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) -- Here T oHelp 12:50, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
That was such a nice tip of the day... I'm afraid it made me wheel war for the first time in my life as an admin. Thanks for bringing some humour to Wikipedia. — mark ✎ 17:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. — David Levy 17:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Template:totd appears primarily on user pages. You don't mind if I restore this April's Fools announcement of the Tip of the day project, do you? -- Go for it! 18:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Goforit, I´ don't know why you don't accept the criticism or advice that is apparently directed at you wherever you go these days, but let me make it clear: your unilateral approach to editing has no acceptance here. Stop it. This is not your sandbox. It is my personal opinion that you have stepped on too many toes now, and that there is very little patience left. If you continue that way, you will likely face serious consequences soon. Don't let it come to that. And don't blame others for not warning you. Kosebamse 20:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:POTD column/June 22, 2024
Wikipedia:POTD column -- this is the format used for the Main Page alternates. Please help keep this stocked up in advance for that project.
Instead of reverting your re-additions at community portal and help:contents, i'm replying to the comment raised at Template_talk:Browsebar#Is_this_bar_useful?, and invite you there to do same. -- Quiddity 21:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi GFI! Thank you for supporting my RfA and the kind words. The RfA passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, please drop me a line. I hope I keep impressing you. Cheers! ➨ ❝ R E DVERS ❞ 21:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Where is this Wikiproject? Given that there is an official scheduling rule, it should probably be mentioned in the instructions on WP:FPC since I just followed those. Thanks. howch e ng { chat} 07:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! Thank you for supporting / | |
| |
Dear Mr Blanning, thank you for choosing the ACME Auto-thanker! Simply strike out the phrases that do not apply and tear off this strip at the indicated line to give all your supporters and detractors the personalised response they so richly deserve. N.B: DO NOT FORGET TO TEAR THIS BIT OFF, MORON! |
Sorry, but I disagree with you :( Renata 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I apologize; I didn't realize that the upkeeper of the POTD was not an administrator and protected all of them (yes, I realized some of them were blank) in line with what happens at featured article of the day, where all the templates are protected as soon as they are created. I will unprotect all the April ones per your request; they will be protected again, though, immediately before they appear on the main page. (I'm one of the few admins responsible for protecting all the images and templates that appear on the main page.) Thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 21:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Do Portal:Temporary2, Portal:Temporary/Did you know and Portal:Temporary/Branches serve any purpose? Steve block talk 22:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
catagory rename, could use your support. possibly others? thanks ;) -- Quiddity 01:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for voting on my RfA. It passed with a consensus to promote of 45/7/1. To those of you concerned about the fact that I am a relative newcomer, I encourage you to poke me with a sharp stick if I make a mistake. Or better yet, let me know on my talk page, and I'll do my best to fix it. Mak emi 05:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I spotted a comment you made at the Help Desk discussion page: "I'm in the process of sweeping Wikipedia of links to all its question answering departments, and replacing them with a single link in each location to route all questions traffic through an upgraded Wikipedia:Questions page." Do you mind me asking how you "sweep" Wikipedia of all those links? How do you find them all? Carcharoth 21:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm already busy but I'll help out. The last thing we want is to have a red link n the Main Page. Now, where to I get the list of images from? Wikipedia:Tommorow's featured picture?-- Here T oHelp 23:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
They are posted in the order they achieved featured picture status as displayed on Wikipedia:Featured pictures thumbs 05, reading from the bottom right corner to the left. The picture for April 18th is "Crepuscular ray sunset", the 19th's is "Remembrance poppy", the 20th's is "The Three Sisters", etc. (There was another schedule formula before the 18th, in which Thumbs 02 was used on M/W/F, which is what to fall back on if new featured pics run out, which will happen eventually if they don't keep up to promoting 7 pics to featured status each week). April 15th's picture is "Monarch butterflies. -- Go for it! 00:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The new formula is not to switch between the thumbs, but go with Thumbs 5 all the way. -- Go for it! 00:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The browse links on the tips of the day are cool. I'll add them to the rest when I get the time.
BTW, I was looking at the code for that template to see if there was an easy way to adapt it to a 20 day or even a one-month warning system for Picture of the day (which we have stocked one month in advance). But the last 20 days/month of the year becomes problematic. --
Go for it! 15:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
For this whole week. I don't think I will be able to catch an hour of sleep this week... :( So I cannot do the motto thingie. If you want to take over - be my guest. Gosh, I cannot wait to graduate :) Renata 23:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I've put a basic layout up for this image. I havn't come across the column versions etc much before - where are they normally used? Cheers, Mike1024 ( t/ c) 00:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Just thought this might be interesting: Help talk:Contents#Tip of the day - remove.-- Here T oHelp 01:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
¡Dustimagic! ( T/ C) 05:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I was just thinking: we redesigned the Main Page and now a redesign of the Community Portal has already sprung up (apparently yours didn't go over too well...I like it but the redesign looks promising). SO: should we redo the help system in the same style? My observations:
So, comments? Also: what about getting 366 tips to cycle for every day of the year (including Feb 29)?-- Here T oHelp 21:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Define the scope of the page. I think it has become "how you can help" rather than "what's going on". Should it be all static? All dynamic? Something in between? Let's break it down:
Does that help?-- Here T oHelp 01:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
See my answer, in the next section. -- Go for it! 16:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you've brought up some key issues. Here's an analysis...
-- Go for it! 16:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Rather than aiming for an arbitrary number of tips, we should collect a body of tips which make up all of the essential things for a user to know in order to use Wikipedia well. If that's 366, then so be it. If its more, we should include them. But I expect that it'll be between 100 and 200. After that, the tips will likely be very obscure, and not useful to the typical Wikipedian. The more not-so-important tips we include, the more the important tips will be obscured by them. Figure out what Wikipedia needs the most, and what Wikipedians need the most, and provide them. -- Go for it! 23:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Once we've cycled through all the tips, a program can be written to either redisplay them in the same order, or a random order. Or we could just reschedule them by hand. -- Go for it! 23:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! Almost two years without any, then I get two in as many days! Happy editing, -- cj | talk 02:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that there is a typo (an extra ")") in the prepared syntax of the condensed version of the POTD:
<font size="+1">[[]]</font><br> <small>Photo credit: [[]])</small><br> <small>[[Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}|Archive]] - [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates|Nominate new image]]</small> |}
You see it? There in the after the photo credit? Can you just do a quick scan of all the condesned versions and delete that if it's there? Thanks. (And of course, don't magnify the typo by putting up for next month if you haven't done so). -- Here T oHelp 02:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm still scanning - found a couple errors so far, but no ")". -- Go for it! 03:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar. I like what you did with the 'includeonly' set of links on the 'tip of the day' pages so the user can get into browse mode directly from the tips. -- CBDunkerson 11:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It could be used for the POTD, but that implies installing it on all 500+ pics, in all of its versions. Instead, CBD and I are discussing a warning template, which will show the pic a month in advance, to better keep track of the buffer you and I set up. It's a trickier program, and I don't have time to encode it today. -- Go for it! 22:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
We are apparently talking about 2 different things. When you said "this" above, I thought you were referring to the application of day +/- 1 as used on the tips on the TOTD project page, which is what CBD and I were talking about. It displays "previous tip" and "next tip" on each day's tip. I'll probably display both the tip and the pic a month in advance, once I get that template set up. -- Go for it! 23:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Why did you remove all of that stuff from the community portal? I Lov E Plankton 18:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Community Portal/Menu
Just click on the subject you want, and that will lead you to the corresponding subpage. -- Go for it! 22:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Please point out the "numerous objections". -- Go for it! 21:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not going to list all the objections to
because that would take me hours. I'd hoped you were reading them... -- Quiddity 21:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
There is one thing you've been doing that I do object to. It's your use of rhetoric rather than logic in your arguments. For instance, you've been presenting objections out of context, such as those to "Tip of the day". You failed to mention that there have been far more contributors to TOTD than there are detractors (of which you seem to be the primary one). Each contribution can be rightfully interpretted as an endorsement of the project, as can each instance in which a user has placed one of the TOTD templates on their user pages. The project hasn't even launched yet, and already nearly 100 users have put the template on their user pagees. You didn't mention that in your analysis of the project's support. After the project launches, I wouldn't be surprised if the use of the templates increased to many hundreds.
You've made such a big issue of "plowing forward" in the face of opposition, when the primary opposition is you. In most cases, the sides have been about equal, and in some instances the sides were off by a single "vote". That does not make consensus.
Meanwhile, your approach of making the Community Portal look like the Main Page has its detractors as well, but you seem to ignore that as much as you accuse me of the same. You even used the opposition to the MP design applied to the CP as an argument against me. Note that I backed off from that direction of development very quickly, while you continue to storm on in that direction.
I do my best to accomodate critiques, and implement fixes to each and every problem that is pointed out. Though after much contemplation concerning design, I am diametrically opposed to homogenizing Wikipedia's major triumvirate (Main Page, Help page, Community Portal). Each needs its own identity.
That being said, I'm more interested in the organization of content than the color of the pages, but nobody else has come forward to improve on the color scheme. I even tried to base the CP's design on an award-winning user page, and that got just as many complaints. My conclusion is that there will always be those who aren't happy. I'm left wondering if we are swimming upstream against a process bias inherent in WP's design. It seems that users are much more likely to post their complaints on talk pages than they are to post compliments, praise, and encouragement. Most users seem to want to use the encyclopedia (or work on their favorite areas), rather than stop and comment (on anything else). It forces one to look for other clues of user appreciation, such as the volume of contributions to the CBB, and interpret that as support. We also know that about 30,000 users frequent Wikipedia every day. I would guess a fair portion of those (hundreds if not thousands) visit Help and the CP. And if only a handful of them are complaining, we must be doing something right. -- Go for it! 00:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Don't have time to write it up as a tip, but is this useful? Wikipedia:Help_Desk#Toolbar. Carcharoth 11:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Goforit, I have followed the community portal discussion only in part, but from the discussions above it seems that you don't exactly understand why people object to your rapid-fire experimentation on the community portal. There are several points to be mentioned:
It is my impression that several people are talking to you over these matters with great patience, and that a gesture of goodwill on your part would probably be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Kosebamse 08:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) -- Here T oHelp 12:50, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
That was such a nice tip of the day... I'm afraid it made me wheel war for the first time in my life as an admin. Thanks for bringing some humour to Wikipedia. — mark ✎ 17:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. — David Levy 17:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Template:totd appears primarily on user pages. You don't mind if I restore this April's Fools announcement of the Tip of the day project, do you? -- Go for it! 18:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Goforit, I´ don't know why you don't accept the criticism or advice that is apparently directed at you wherever you go these days, but let me make it clear: your unilateral approach to editing has no acceptance here. Stop it. This is not your sandbox. It is my personal opinion that you have stepped on too many toes now, and that there is very little patience left. If you continue that way, you will likely face serious consequences soon. Don't let it come to that. And don't blame others for not warning you. Kosebamse 20:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)