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Hallo Giorgio,
unfortunately I know very little about him, and not under that name, but as Giorgio da Sebenico. By the way, near my house in Rome there is a Via Giorgio da Sebenico, and this road lies in the quarter named Villaggio Giuliano, where many refugees from Istria and Dalmatia live since sixty years. The roads there are entitled to famous italians from this territories. In order to get references about him, you can find them under the Volume VIII of the Series edited by the Società dalmata di Storia Patria. That book is dedicated to him. Regards, Alex2006 12:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I was told there are some issues on the page List of Croatians. To me, it looks like a lame edit war. It should be noted that such wars are futile and completely pointless. Furthermore, if prolonged may result in either party's editing privileges being temporarily revoked (even if WP:3RR isn't violated). Thus, I kindly request that you both stop further warring (I didn't go into the actual merits of the problem yet) and attempt to resolve the issue peacefully on the talk page. Cheers & happy editing, M isza 13 20:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The IP in question just "happened" to edit the same pages as you, and only those, and "incidentally" agreed with you on every topic... Come now. Dahn 13:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I have been notified by Factanista of your removal of content on several pages (see User_talk:Misza13#User:GiorgoOrsini_again). While the issue of the {{ totallydisputed}} tag on Travunia is a matter I'll have to dig further into, I'd like to discuss the removal of Croatian names from the articles Giovanni Luppis and Benedetto Cotrugli. It is my impression that if someone was born/related to a place that is now in Croatia, their croatian names have their place in the article. If you think otherwise, please convince me (and others) instead of edit warring. Also, feel free to reply here only (for the sake of keeping discussions in one place), since I've put this page on my watchlist. Regards, M isza 13 10:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 31 hours for edit warring with multiple users on a number of articles. Consider this your warning. I have fully protected the pages in contention, and you will not be able to edit them until you agree with Factinista and Giovanni Giove on how the content of these articles should be written. Nishkid 64 19:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
You were edit warring. See WP:EDIT WAR. "Some consider the term to describe two or more contributors' repeated reverts of one another's edits to an article. Others subscribe to a much broader definition, encompassing any situation in which two or more authors repeatedly edit an article (especially particularly contentious excerpts) extensively." Also, don't be a DICK, okay? (in reference to your comments left on Sandstein's page). You may have been honestly reverting some other person's edits, but it's still a textbook example of an edit war. Nishkid 64 00:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you to have again a look to the Giorgio Orsini article and talk page.-- Giovanni Giove 18:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
21:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC).
Giorgio, cut it NOW. Going around contacting only Italian users is vote stacking, and is severely punished.-- Aldux 16:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giorgio,
Do you have any information on Antico's ancestry? Everything I have been able to find indicates only that he was born in Motovun (Istria) -- giving nothing about his parentage (or native language), whether the were, for example, Venetians (which would have been a definite possibility). The extensive article in the New Grove says he is of "Croatian birth" but stops there. Since you removed him from the list of Croats with the comment "Antico is not Croatian" I figured you knew something definite. By the way, his fellow printer Jacques Moderne (active in Lyon) was also from Istria. Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm back from holydays. I've seen that in last two weeks you did an excellent work. Let's go on in restablish the historical truth. Greetings.-- Giovanni Giove 10:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to offer you some advice. I recently made a few minor corrections to the Andrea Meldolla article, and as is my habit I kept the article on my watchlist for a bit after doing so. I noticed that you'd blanked a section, and figured the edit for mistaken and reverted it. After noting that you had reversed this edit again, I had a look at the talk page. It appears that you have been reverting without any form of discussion for quite some time, which is generally frowned upon. You haven't technically violated WP:3RR, but you have been edit-warring (at least eight of those same reverts from an offhand count!) I would like to suggest you discuss changes rather than engaging in an edit war. Seraphimblade 03:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi there,
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. . I would not take into consideration whether you do it over 24 hours or not, as a last resort I would even have to consider a block. The point is that edit wars are disruptive. Please discuss any edits with the other contributors of the article. Regards, Asterion talk 18:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I just tried to be nice and friendly. I do not understand why're you taking it so harshly. -- PaxEquilibrium 23:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Done. I've also blocked Sock Buster ( talk · contribs)—if I am mistaken about him, please let me know. Khoi khoi 22:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Giorgio, copied from Evv's talk page:
Hi Giorgio
You should not ent the GA Review. It is still in progress. So, I reverted your last change.-- BarryMar 16:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
See [3]. He's going to vandalize all the article I wrotten. Now I have to stop, meanwhile have a look. We can work on him toghether (poor man:-) )-- Giovanni Giove 14:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
-- Giorgio Orsini 17:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Based on the checkuser report, you have been blocked for 72 hours for harassing another user by using a sockpuppet account. Seraphimblade Talk to me 12:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Georgio, was it you that put a POV template back on this article? Do you intend it to apply to the whole article? Can you not just edit the bits that you think are unfounded, so that the template can be removed or moved to a specific section or sections? (I raised this with you on the article's talk page but maybe you don't look there.)
For some reason you like the idea of using a dictionary definition. I know of no other encyclopedia, dictionary or other work of reference that relies on another dictionary for its definitions. Why that particular dictionary? And should we perhaps list the definitions from several dictionaries?
In any case the dictionary is wrong in two ways. Perhaps you are not familiar with the territory that was once Yugoslavia? In the minds of many readers, "Croatia" will be assumed to include Dalmatia and indeed Istria, as it does now. Until the end of WW2 Istria was part of Italy. Dalmatia was ceded by the Ustaše to Italy. For these reasons alone it is wrong to say the Ustaše "ruled Croatia." Another point you don't seem to have realised, though it is explained within the article and on the talk page, is that the ISC (NDH) included the whole of B-H and part of Serbia. So you will begin to see that "Croatia" is a poor description of where the regime ruled.
The dictionary is also wrong to say the Germans "supported" the Ustaše, as this word implies that the Germans had a subordinate role, and might also imply that the Germans supported the Ustaše objective of eradicating the Serbs. A better way to express the relationship would be to say that the Ustaše ruled under German "protection." It was after all an illegal state in international law, which could exist only because it was protected by the Axis powers.
I will be making some corrections accordingly. Please don't undo them unless you have proper sources (by which I don't mean dictionary definitions!). Kirker 18:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi GiorgioO, you reversed my copyedits and "fact" templates, and labelled the change rvv. Huh??? I may be new around here but I don't see how what I did was vandalism. If you want to dispute the changes, fine (although some actual feedback is requested, rather than just reverting), but I'm baffled by the accusation here. What's up? With respect and reasonableness I hope, but also bafflement, sincerely, SociableLiberal 15:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
It appears, from looking through your contributions, that you are incapable of working well with others, and it appears everyone has finally gotten sick of you. See yesterday's WP:ANI discussion. – Steel 14:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
claim - using just two examples of my edits. Also, I very successfully cooperated by many people and all my edits are strictly referenced and based on extensive reading of the references I supplied. I fought any baseless claim, I admit sometimes harshly, but honestly. Give a full explanation of the 'everyone has finally gotten sick of you' claim and allow me to defeat it - on just one example - including Spylab, too. Also, go from accusation to accusation of this accuser and give a sound proof for each of them that they are based on sound facts. That is obligatory to any judge who passes any verdict.-- Giorgio Orsini 15:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Heavily biased - based on sidelining with Croatian nationalists and their false accusations. Also, Steel did not elaborate his/her reason as I requested. Also I see that Steel marked and blocked NovaNova as my sockpuppet based on false reference on Checkuser. The latest checkuser on both accounts was done confirming just opposite - unrelated. Therefore, this is a blatant case of the admin license abuse
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Wikipedia is not a battleground. Making edit wars between national lines is completely unacceptable. Sean William @ 18:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
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Sean William statement is false. I've never made war between national lines - I just battled forgeries posted inside biographies of the Italians who lived in Dalmazia and were citizens of Venetian republic. All my edits are supported by valid and verifiable historic references. Sean William is blindly siding with the accuser. There is not a single example that might confirm any accusation related to my nationalism. Also, it is quite clear that Croatians publicly lobbied Steel to block me - see the history of their conversation on the Steel talk page
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"Battling" is edit-warring. You're not getting unblocked, stop asking. Shadow1 (talk) 13:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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My "Battling" was not a plain edit warring - it is battling for the Wikipedia article integrity and credibility. I do not understand why not a single administrator is not ready to offer a single example proving their accusations??? --Giorgio Orsini 18:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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I am protecting your talk page to prevent further abuse of the unblock template — Spartaz Humbug! 19:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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Welcome!
Hello, GiorgioOrsini, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}}
on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!
Also, please do not create articles with duplicate content, as you have done here (duplicating Juraj Dalmatinac). If you believe the name of the article should be changed, please discuss this on the artcle's talk page. Thanks, Dar- Ap e 21:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Hallo Giorgio,
unfortunately I know very little about him, and not under that name, but as Giorgio da Sebenico. By the way, near my house in Rome there is a Via Giorgio da Sebenico, and this road lies in the quarter named Villaggio Giuliano, where many refugees from Istria and Dalmatia live since sixty years. The roads there are entitled to famous italians from this territories. In order to get references about him, you can find them under the Volume VIII of the Series edited by the Società dalmata di Storia Patria. That book is dedicated to him. Regards, Alex2006 12:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I was told there are some issues on the page List of Croatians. To me, it looks like a lame edit war. It should be noted that such wars are futile and completely pointless. Furthermore, if prolonged may result in either party's editing privileges being temporarily revoked (even if WP:3RR isn't violated). Thus, I kindly request that you both stop further warring (I didn't go into the actual merits of the problem yet) and attempt to resolve the issue peacefully on the talk page. Cheers & happy editing, M isza 13 20:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The IP in question just "happened" to edit the same pages as you, and only those, and "incidentally" agreed with you on every topic... Come now. Dahn 13:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I have been notified by Factanista of your removal of content on several pages (see User_talk:Misza13#User:GiorgoOrsini_again). While the issue of the {{ totallydisputed}} tag on Travunia is a matter I'll have to dig further into, I'd like to discuss the removal of Croatian names from the articles Giovanni Luppis and Benedetto Cotrugli. It is my impression that if someone was born/related to a place that is now in Croatia, their croatian names have their place in the article. If you think otherwise, please convince me (and others) instead of edit warring. Also, feel free to reply here only (for the sake of keeping discussions in one place), since I've put this page on my watchlist. Regards, M isza 13 10:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 31 hours for edit warring with multiple users on a number of articles. Consider this your warning. I have fully protected the pages in contention, and you will not be able to edit them until you agree with Factinista and Giovanni Giove on how the content of these articles should be written. Nishkid 64 19:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
You were edit warring. See WP:EDIT WAR. "Some consider the term to describe two or more contributors' repeated reverts of one another's edits to an article. Others subscribe to a much broader definition, encompassing any situation in which two or more authors repeatedly edit an article (especially particularly contentious excerpts) extensively." Also, don't be a DICK, okay? (in reference to your comments left on Sandstein's page). You may have been honestly reverting some other person's edits, but it's still a textbook example of an edit war. Nishkid 64 00:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you to have again a look to the Giorgio Orsini article and talk page.-- Giovanni Giove 18:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
21:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC).
Giorgio, cut it NOW. Going around contacting only Italian users is vote stacking, and is severely punished.-- Aldux 16:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giorgio,
Do you have any information on Antico's ancestry? Everything I have been able to find indicates only that he was born in Motovun (Istria) -- giving nothing about his parentage (or native language), whether the were, for example, Venetians (which would have been a definite possibility). The extensive article in the New Grove says he is of "Croatian birth" but stops there. Since you removed him from the list of Croats with the comment "Antico is not Croatian" I figured you knew something definite. By the way, his fellow printer Jacques Moderne (active in Lyon) was also from Istria. Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm back from holydays. I've seen that in last two weeks you did an excellent work. Let's go on in restablish the historical truth. Greetings.-- Giovanni Giove 10:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to offer you some advice. I recently made a few minor corrections to the Andrea Meldolla article, and as is my habit I kept the article on my watchlist for a bit after doing so. I noticed that you'd blanked a section, and figured the edit for mistaken and reverted it. After noting that you had reversed this edit again, I had a look at the talk page. It appears that you have been reverting without any form of discussion for quite some time, which is generally frowned upon. You haven't technically violated WP:3RR, but you have been edit-warring (at least eight of those same reverts from an offhand count!) I would like to suggest you discuss changes rather than engaging in an edit war. Seraphimblade 03:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi there,
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. . I would not take into consideration whether you do it over 24 hours or not, as a last resort I would even have to consider a block. The point is that edit wars are disruptive. Please discuss any edits with the other contributors of the article. Regards, Asterion talk 18:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I just tried to be nice and friendly. I do not understand why're you taking it so harshly. -- PaxEquilibrium 23:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Done. I've also blocked Sock Buster ( talk · contribs)—if I am mistaken about him, please let me know. Khoi khoi 22:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Giorgio, copied from Evv's talk page:
Hi Giorgio
You should not ent the GA Review. It is still in progress. So, I reverted your last change.-- BarryMar 16:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
See [3]. He's going to vandalize all the article I wrotten. Now I have to stop, meanwhile have a look. We can work on him toghether (poor man:-) )-- Giovanni Giove 14:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
-- Giorgio Orsini 17:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Based on the checkuser report, you have been blocked for 72 hours for harassing another user by using a sockpuppet account. Seraphimblade Talk to me 12:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Georgio, was it you that put a POV template back on this article? Do you intend it to apply to the whole article? Can you not just edit the bits that you think are unfounded, so that the template can be removed or moved to a specific section or sections? (I raised this with you on the article's talk page but maybe you don't look there.)
For some reason you like the idea of using a dictionary definition. I know of no other encyclopedia, dictionary or other work of reference that relies on another dictionary for its definitions. Why that particular dictionary? And should we perhaps list the definitions from several dictionaries?
In any case the dictionary is wrong in two ways. Perhaps you are not familiar with the territory that was once Yugoslavia? In the minds of many readers, "Croatia" will be assumed to include Dalmatia and indeed Istria, as it does now. Until the end of WW2 Istria was part of Italy. Dalmatia was ceded by the Ustaše to Italy. For these reasons alone it is wrong to say the Ustaše "ruled Croatia." Another point you don't seem to have realised, though it is explained within the article and on the talk page, is that the ISC (NDH) included the whole of B-H and part of Serbia. So you will begin to see that "Croatia" is a poor description of where the regime ruled.
The dictionary is also wrong to say the Germans "supported" the Ustaše, as this word implies that the Germans had a subordinate role, and might also imply that the Germans supported the Ustaše objective of eradicating the Serbs. A better way to express the relationship would be to say that the Ustaše ruled under German "protection." It was after all an illegal state in international law, which could exist only because it was protected by the Axis powers.
I will be making some corrections accordingly. Please don't undo them unless you have proper sources (by which I don't mean dictionary definitions!). Kirker 18:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi GiorgioO, you reversed my copyedits and "fact" templates, and labelled the change rvv. Huh??? I may be new around here but I don't see how what I did was vandalism. If you want to dispute the changes, fine (although some actual feedback is requested, rather than just reverting), but I'm baffled by the accusation here. What's up? With respect and reasonableness I hope, but also bafflement, sincerely, SociableLiberal 15:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
It appears, from looking through your contributions, that you are incapable of working well with others, and it appears everyone has finally gotten sick of you. See yesterday's WP:ANI discussion. – Steel 14:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
claim - using just two examples of my edits. Also, I very successfully cooperated by many people and all my edits are strictly referenced and based on extensive reading of the references I supplied. I fought any baseless claim, I admit sometimes harshly, but honestly. Give a full explanation of the 'everyone has finally gotten sick of you' claim and allow me to defeat it - on just one example - including Spylab, too. Also, go from accusation to accusation of this accuser and give a sound proof for each of them that they are based on sound facts. That is obligatory to any judge who passes any verdict.-- Giorgio Orsini 15:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
GiorgioOrsini ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Heavily biased - based on sidelining with Croatian nationalists and their false accusations. Also, Steel did not elaborate his/her reason as I requested. Also I see that Steel marked and blocked NovaNova as my sockpuppet based on false reference on Checkuser. The latest checkuser on both accounts was done confirming just opposite - unrelated. Therefore, this is a blatant case of the admin license abuse
Decline reason:
Wikipedia is not a battleground. Making edit wars between national lines is completely unacceptable. Sean William @ 18:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
GiorgioOrsini ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Sean William statement is false. I've never made war between national lines - I just battled forgeries posted inside biographies of the Italians who lived in Dalmazia and were citizens of Venetian republic. All my edits are supported by valid and verifiable historic references. Sean William is blindly siding with the accuser. There is not a single example that might confirm any accusation related to my nationalism. Also, it is quite clear that Croatians publicly lobbied Steel to block me - see the history of their conversation on the Steel talk page
Decline reason:
"Battling" is edit-warring. You're not getting unblocked, stop asking. Shadow1 (talk) 13:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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GiorgioOrsini ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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My "Battling" was not a plain edit warring - it is battling for the Wikipedia article integrity and credibility. I do not understand why not a single administrator is not ready to offer a single example proving their accusations??? --Giorgio Orsini 18:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I am protecting your talk page to prevent further abuse of the unblock template — Spartaz Humbug! 19:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.