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ܫܠܡܐ ܐܒܘܢ ܡܝܩܪܐ
ܐܢܐ ܐܪܐܡ ܡܢ ܐܬܪܐ ܕ ܒܠܓܝܟܐ ،ܐܠܐ ܒܫܪܫܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ ܐܝܬܝ ܡܢ ܣܘܪܝܐ .
ܗܪܓܬ ܬܐܘܠܘܓܝܐ ܒܕܝܪܐ ܕܡܪ ܐܦܪܝܡ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ ܬܪܬܝܢ ܫܢܝܢ ܘ ܗܘܫܐ ܚܝܐ ܐܢܐ ܒܕܝܪܐ ܕ ܡܕܝܢܬܐ ܕ ܠܝܐܓ
ܘܐܢ ܡܪܝܐ ܢܨܒܐ ܒܥܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܐܗܘܐ ܡܫܡܫܢܐ ܒܥܕܬܐ ܕܝܠܝ ܪܚܝܡܬܐ ...ܥܕܬܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܬܐ ܬܪܝܨܬ ܫܘܒܚܐ
ܪܚܡܬ ܕܐܩܪܐ ܫܠܡܐ ܥܠܝܟܘܢ ܘ ܕܠܡܐ ܢܗܘܐ ܚܒܪ݀ܐ ܒܕܥܬܝܕ ܘܐܢ ܒܣܡ ܠܟܘܢ ܗܘܢܐ ܗܕܐ ܐܝܬܝܗ ܕܦܐ ܕܝܠܝ ܥܠ ܘܝܟܝܒܝܕܝܐ ܥܪܒܝܬܐ ܐܪܡ
Dear Garzo, Danko has once again infected the article. I have removed the related text, but would like you to keep an eye on this guy. The article is getting more and more un-ecyclopedic by the minute. This has to stop! Below is the exchange that promted my action. P.S. "Phil Sci" archive is NOT a peer-reviewed journal or archive and have previously removed Danko's paper, whcih I will request once more to do.--Prof. Afshar 07:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC):
" For example Danko Georgiev works from a pure math position and a QM definition of complementarity. He arrives at a situation in which he has two incompatible equations. The "=" sign doesn't work. And so one divides the universe in two, one in which one equation obtains, and the other in which the other equation obtains." Carl Looper
Dear admin, I would like to inform you about recent vandalism done by Afshar on the article concerning his own experiment. Recently posted by me paper at PhilSci concerning his experiment has been added as reference in the Afshar experiment article by one of the participants in the discussion, namely Carl Looper. Afshar however decided to act by his own will without discussing his modification on the talk page, and started to insult Looper because of his statement that my work is mathematically correct. All of the papers on Afshar experiment are preprints and web blogs, because peer-reviewing itself takes 2-3 years. Afshar's own work is also not published in peer-reviewed journal, but only in conference proceedings. Also Afshar's own paper has been submitted to Physical Reviews series of journals and has been rejected for publication. Afshar never posted oficially the received negative comments for his work, but instead exploited and exploits popular magazines and media to annouce his work, and now abuses Wikipedia. Please revert the changes done by Afshar, as they have not been approved by other editors of Afshar's article. Danko Georgiev MD 08:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
YOU said revert: 'Western Assyrian' is a complete fabrication, there is absolutely no prior record to the use of that term, which was invented in the diaspora - how is Turoyo different? Please explain how Turoyo has a record of prior use by its inhabitants, and how it is not invented in the diaspora? Chaldean 02:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The Anglicanism Collaboration of the Month has been reactivated! Please consider going to the page to either vote for one of the nominated articles, or nominate one yourself. Thanks! Fishhead64 02:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Stop blocking us. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.62.159.237 ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 3 January 2007.
I recently found that the Jesus article on Wikipedia is the first item that comes up when you search for "Jesus" on the world’s most widely used search engine, Google.
Please edit the Jesus article to make it an accurate and excellent representation of Him.
The Jesus article may be a person’s first impression of Jesus. It would be nice if their first impression was from a Christian or the Bible, but for so many in these new days it probably comes from the Internet. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thanks a lot.
Also, watch out to follow Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. It is especially hard for the Three-revert rule and the Neutral point of view policy to be followed because of the nature of the article, but please follow these policies along with citing sources so that the article does not get locked from editing and can't be improved further. Thanks again. Scifiintel 17:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Diez2 22:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Greetings Gareth. I was wondering if I could have your opinion about the article. I was wondering if you think the page is neutral enough (I am trying my best to keep it as such.) Does the page sound wiki-material or too propergandish? Thanks. Chaldean 02:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at the notice that you placed at the head of Kurdish inhabited regions. The notice asks you not to depopulate the category. Seeing as this is a policy which you yourself have used in preparing the category for deletion, the category has now been repopulated. You are also reminded that this category is politically sensitive, and widespread deletions lack such sensitivity. Please let the deletion process run its course, and, if the decision is to delete the category, the links to it from articles may be removed by hand or by bot. As the policy is quite clear depopulating categories again will result in you being temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia. — Gareth Hughes 12:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Garzo, could you please have a look to the user:PStaple? I think he is a sockpuppet of user:Busca4. Thanks -- Garcilaso 10:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't a test. From what I know East Timor official languages are Tetum (that's pretty similar to Bahasa Indonesia, but still not Bahasa Indonesia) and Portuguese, not English. — 22:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, recently CyborgTosser and I discussed and came up with proposed style guidelines for all the individual consonant and vowel pages wherein the Occurrence section would have a table rather than a bulleted list. You can see the discussion here. So far nobody else has commented on the proposed guidelines and I believe it's safer to get a solid consensus before undergoing the work to change so many pages. If you could comment on what has been proposed, even if it's a simple yay or nay, this would help us out quite a bit. Thank you very much. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Hughes, I ask that you reconsider your endorsement of FayssalF's summary in light of my more detailed response thereto, which I have only now found the opportunity to put together. Proabivouac 08:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Garzo,
I am asking your help in stopping this wikipedia user who is attempting to tamper with the facts in the Oriental Orthodoxy Page. Please read my statement in the discussion page and his answer followed by my reply. I am reporting this to you as an administrator to take whatever action needed to stop him, I think that he will not back up. Please advise. Orthopraxia, 11:44 pm, Pacific Time, January 23rd, 2007
Hey Gareth, could you please check out the question at Talk:Mlahsö language? Thanks, Khoi khoi 02:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe we discussed the phenomenon of wikipedians leveling accusation of "original research" that stretch their definition of "original research" to unreasonable extremes.
I've received another accusation of "original research" -- this time from an administrator -- who left an admonishment that could be interpreted as a threat of blocking, or some other sanction.
Could you take a look at this colloquoy? Do you concur that conflating Yakup with Yakub was original research?
FWIW I believe this is the first exchange I have ever had with this administrator.
As before, I am happy to look for your reply here, on your talk page, if that is convenient for you.
Thanks! — Geo Swan 20:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I hope I can do something for you some time. :-)
How on earth did you learn so many language to such high levels?! I have trouble remembering new words in my native language never mind in foreign languages. Thulium 18:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I have never heard or seen Syriac Orthodox members fasting for baoutha? [ [2]] Chaldean 01:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to tell you that I really love your photographs of vestments--they really help on individual articles. I also think your singing voice is beautiful. "Pange Lingua" often resides on my playlist. I hope I do not sound creepy, but I just wanted to thank and congratulate you on your work. Also, your interests are cool--almost exactly like my own. May I add you on Facebook?
Pax Domini Tecum, -- Feerique 02:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC), Anissa
Gareth,
Long time no chat. :-) I've proposed something that you may find interesting over on Meta. When you have the time you might want to give it a peek.
אמר Steve Caruso ( desk/ AMA) • Give Back Our Membership! 05:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
History will look back at this era in that view. סרגון יוחנא 15:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Let me know when you get a degree in Assyriology (a simple bachelor's would be fine), and I'll maybe think that you are someway qualified to talk about this. Notice how my last post had the word stop in it twice — now stop writing — you're just being annoying. By the way, Jeopardy is a Yanqaya TV programme, so it's not shown here — it is just nonsense to me. — Gareth Hughes 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Whenever I see vandalism on Wikipedia I like to take action against it. Earlier today (10/02/2007), user 82.38.155.236 made a nuisance of themselves and vandalised the article on Urdu several times. You took action against them but they persisted. You gave them a stern warning on their talk page, which I totally agreed with.
When I came to the Urdu article the most recent adjustment showing under history was by user Islescape. Islescape apparently thought they had undone the actions of the vandal, but had failed. The vandal had managed to leave a URL for a Piczo site in large red letters at the very top and bottom of the page (right at the top, just underneath 'From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia', and right at the bottom underneath categories).
While the vandals first efforts at putting this irrelevant URL on the page were easily edited out (by yourself or Islescape), the final vandalism was more serious as it appeared invisible from 'edit this page'. Interestingly only en.wikipedia.org/wiki/urdu was affected, while en.wikipedia.org/wiki/urdu_language remained unaffected. The only place I could find the code for the vandalism was under Internet Exlorer; View; Source (code).
I searched through Wiki templates, user guides and code for half an hour to no avail. The vandalism remained in place, seemingly untouchable. A few hours later, the vandalism disappeared, without any new entries in the edit page. A mystery (to me anyway).
Do you know how the vandal may have hacked 'Urdu' without using 'edit this page', and more importantly how one takes action against this kind of Vandalism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.127.181 ( talk) 21:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC).
Hello Mr. Hughes,
In your revision of the article Ge'ez as of 01:05, 7 February 2005 you created a table, which has persisted, with modifications, to this day. In that table you indicated that the language is extinct and that it is the official liturgical language of the Tewahedo Church and Beta Israel. You did not cite sources for these two claims. These claims appear in the current revision and they are still unsourced. I'd like to request that you cite your sources for these claims. Thanks Itayb 13:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Gareth! Nice to see you're still around here. I was just wondering about a thing since last night I was watching "Suroyo tv" and saw the Syriac Orthodox Church's Bishop in northern Syria talking about the "Arabic numerals" not being Arabic at all. This since Aramaic was the first language to adopt letters to numbers, and since the Arabs call these numbers (1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.0) for "European numerals", and we in the west call these numbers for "Arabic numerals". If you look at the Serto script and compare its letters with the numerals you will see a lot common. 1 for Olaf, 2 for Beth, 3 for Gomal, 4 for the strangela Dolath, 5 for Heh, 6 for vow, 7 for Zayn, 8 for Heth (double youth as a double 0), 9 for Teth and 0 for youth.-- Yohanun 09:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Shlama Gareth. This user is out of control and is vandelizing my talk page accusing me of vandelism with templates. Can you please try to contain him. Thanks. Chaldean 16:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Greetings from myself, I'm Proffessor Marco, and currently i am appointed with the University of N.S.W. I havegreat respect for all priests, and currently I am asking for ypur support to prove the existence of CHaldeans. Many users are now vandalising the Chaldean pages and attenmpting to belittle th Chaldean race, with interests exterior to Wikipedia purpose and policy.
Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asm ccc ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
Regarding your RVs to faith, I hope you are checking the discussion page (both "definition / article innacuracy" and "Faith vs. Evidence - Creationism" sections) before carrying out reverts in apparent contradiction of the dictionary source.
Regards, 129.12.200.49 17:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth,
Thanks for boldly removing the native name from the main Interlingua article. We almost got this article to GA status a while back, but it has become both factually and stylistically messy, to say the least. If you're ever inclined to tweak the grammar, it would be greatly appreciated. If you have a background in Interlingua, I think the greatest difficulties at this point are factual. By the way, you certainly know a lot of diverse languages! – 66.68.174.245 23:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The nonsence is to create artificial nations and languages, a fact that enhances the conflicts in certain areas of the world. For all of us, used to live in the former Tito's cold-war Yugoslavia, it is well-known that southern Yugoslavia (now separated in "Kossovo" and "Macedonia") is inhabited by major Slavic populations (in fact Serbians and minor Bulgarians), Albanians, and Roma (Gypsies). The Slavs at those areas speak a typical Slavic dialect (like the dialects spoken by us in Serbia) which is a mixture of Serbian with maybe some Bulgarian. Therefore, there is no "Macedonian language" (and moreover "Kosovarian") which could be related to Macedonian language which is of course Greek according to the archeological and historical facts. Thus the area called "Republic of Macedonia" is not Greek, as Kosovo is not Albanian. Please don't contribute in formation of artificial nations and languages which leads to more problems in Balkans and Europe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Athgod ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
I swear on my fathers head Gareth that I say this with all due respect, but do you think the word Assyrian is a dirty word? A word that you can't stand? A word that you take offesne too? Then what is your reason for removing sourced info? [ [4]] This isn't the first time. Do you remember before on how many times I used to ask you how can the average person not think you having an anti-Assyrian agenda? Well do you blame me? Chaldean 05:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe this matter should be resolved decisively, it has been lingering on for too long, damaging the credibility of Wikipedia. Too many Syriac fathers have been labelled "Assyrian" now, without proper justification. E.g., Ephrem the Syrian has been posthumously claimed by Assyrianists, as is shown by his picture in the Assyrian people article, and by repeated attempts to translate Suryāyā as "Assyrian" or something similar. Only if the people concerned consider themselves Assyrian (or Aramaean or Chaldaean, for that matter), they should be referred to as such on Wikipedia.
In general, I think there should be a Wikipedia policy regarding questions of ethnicity, which should be approached in an intersubjective manner, considering the diffuse nature of the ethnicity concept. -- Benne ['bɛnə] ( talk) 09:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Why do you think this strange a with two dots above is standard transliteration of Arabic ta marbuta? I always saw either -ah or -at.-- Al-Bargit 19:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Garzo,
Thank you for taking the time to comment about the Toytonic page. Yes, Toytonic is of course a constructed language. But, it is also an Indo-European language (as are Esperanto, and a few other constructed languages). I was hoping you could please tell me more about what qualifies a language for listing in Wikipedia?
I have noticed several engineered, artistic, constructed, and even fictional languages have their own page or pages. There are also pages for languages that are only in the concept stage or even for language development efforts that have yet to render a full language.
If you could tell me a bit more about what is required for entry, then perhaps I could know whether this was the right place for the information (or simply know what information to provide).
Now, about Toytonic. Toytonic is the product of an ongoing collaborative effort between linguists and language educators to develop a language that is based on PIE and it's early daughter languages while evolving those systems into a more dynamic language. Toytonic is based on the word roots of PIE and several functional features of other Indo-Eurpean languages. These ancient forms have been modified to place the language at a point that accounts for the evolution from PIE that most linguists agree to be inevitable natural changes (mostly phonetic). Then, the language is structured to be absolute (everything has only one meaning). It should be simply in structure and easily learned in a short period of time.
The efforts have resulted in a grammar, basic vocabulary and rules for adding to the lexicon, and some spoken and written speech. The next step will be to compile a larger lexicon with cross-references to English, German, and Spanish. From there an effort will begin to begin establishing a literature through writing and translation.
I don't know exactly how many speakers there are currently, but it is certainly below 30 (guessing that based on contributions). As more information (words, lit, etc) become available that number is expected to increase substantially.
The final step of the project will be to establish groups of speakers (formal or informal) and monitor the langauge for change.
Please advise from here,
Thanks
Drew —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drew.ward ( talk • contribs) 03:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
We are having some kind of debate in Sweden about the Kh used a lot in the Assyrian Neo Aramaic dialect and the H being usd a lot in the Western Aramaic (Turoyo,Suryoyo). Are there any proofs of which one of whom is the correct pronounciation?-- Yohanun 20:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the fast answer but I would like you to answer two things if you can answer them of course. Is the Sureth dialect , who uses P,A and Khet pronounciations the correct dialect or is Surayt with the F,Å and Heth pronounciations the correct dialect. Which dialect has developed its own pronouncations? Best regards / -- Yohanun 15:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
In the Araden dialect it can be both ħeth, kheth or khap. For example khilma which means dream is actuall spelled ħilma with a ħeth and not a kap. The Telkeppe dialect tends to use the ħeth more often due to the close interaction with the Arabic language and the use of many Arabic-derived loan words rendered Aramaic. eg. Bisl=Bisla, Riz=Rizza, etc. In the dialects of Iran and northeastern Turkey not only is ħ lost and merged with kh but also the waw becomes a vav.
Hi Garzo, if you're going to block any IPs (e.g. User talk:203.122.254.26) clearly marked as a belonging to a school, please use {{ schoolblock}} as your block reason which clearly explains how anon-only blocking works. Otherwise, the unblock-en-l mailing list will continue to have to deal with many more confused or irate emails from schools. Thanks. -- Netsnipe ► 08:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth,
Would you be able to get a hand on C.W. Mitchell, S. Ephraim's Prose Refutations of Mani, Marcion and Bardaisan (London & Oxford: Williams & Norgate, 1912 & 1921)? In Vol. II, p. 225, Ephraim is supposed to be cited saying about Bardaisan: "the philosopher of the Arameans made himself a laughing-stock among Arameans and Greeks." I'd be very grateful. -- Benne ['bɛnə] ( talk) 15:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I have Mitchell's edition of the Prose Refutations in front of me now. I think p225 may have been the wrong passage, but I've found the right passage. I'll give you p225 first. The occurrence on 225.24–26, which read ܘܦܫ ܠܗ ܪܘܟܒܗ ܕܦܠܣܘܦܐ ܐܪܡܝܐ. This translates as "And there rests the philosophy of the Aramaean". Even thought the passage is part of the refutation of Mani, this section explicitly deals with Bardaisan. However, I found the sentence you wanted elsewhere: in 7.45 – 8.1 (against Bardaisan's Domnus). The Syriac reads ܓܘܚܟܐ ܕܝܢ ܥܒܕ ܢܦܫܗ ܒܝܬ ܐܖ̈ܡܝܐ ܘܝܘܢ̈ܝܐ. ܦܝܠܘܣܦܐ ܕܐܖ̈ܡܝܐ. This translates as "But a laughing stock he made himself among the Aramaeans and the Greeks, the philosopher of the Aramaeans". The word ܐܪܡܝܐ only occurs in one other place (in the refutation of Hypatius vol.1 122.7), it is speaking about the Manichees' reading of the Gospel of John is errant because they follow what is written in the 'Aramaean' and do not refer to the Greek text. The word ܣܘܪܝܝܐ does not appear at all in the Prose Refutations. I'm not sure what you want to make of these lines, but the context makes it quite clear that the word 'Aramaean' is being used neutrally to describe the language and people (either those who speak it or the inhabitants of a geographical region). What is certain is that Ephrem does not intend the kind of ethnic understanding of such terms as they are used today — this use is quite modern.
Now, looking over at Joseph Amar's edition of Jacob of Serugh's 'Memra on Saint Ephrem', Jacob uses the word 'Aramaean' of Ephrem in one distich, and follows it with the word 'Syrian/c' in the following distich.
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ܗܢܐ ܕܗܘܐ ܟܠܝܠܐ ܠܟܠܗ ܐܪܡܝܘܬܐ
ܘܒܗ ܐܬܩܪܒܬ ܬܡܛܐ ܠܫܘܦܖ̈ܐ ܖ̈ܘܚܢܝܐ
"He who is the crown of all Aramaea
and through him it approached to attain spiritual virtues"
One late manuscript (the Harvard Syriac 100, 1900) has the word ܐܘܡܬܐ, 'nation', instead of ܐܪܡܝܘܬܐ, 'Aramaea'.
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ܗܢܐ ܕܗܘܐ ܪܗܝܪܐ ܪܒܐ ܒܝܬ ܣܘܖ̈ܝܝܐ
ܘܟܠ ܡ̈ܠܦܝܐ ܡܢܗ ܘܠܟܐ ܒܗ ܐܨܛܒܬܘ
"He who was a great rhetor among the Syrians
and all teachers from him until now have been adorned through him"
If it's of interest, distich 46 compares the singing of the Hebrew women with tambourines at the Exodus to the singing of Aramaean women (ܐܖ̈ܡܝܬܐ) with the hymns of Ephrem.
I hope this tells you all you want to know. Let me know if there's anything that you want me to look into further. — Gareth Hughes 23:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Gareth, does this topic needs its own page or can it be merged with something else? Chaldean 04:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Gareth,
The article about the Mor Gabriel Monastery was moved to Deyrulumur Monastery, on the grounds that the latter is the official and more common name. I wouldn't know what the official name is (both names are written at the entrance), but it seems to me that Mor Gabriel (or Mar Gabriel) is by far better known, also used in the French- and German-language Wikipedia's. What do you think? If you agree, would you be so kind to move it back? Thanks a lot. -- Benne ['bɛnə] ( talk) 10:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comment here. :) 86.56.48.12 01:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Why must the link to the Lamsa Bible be continuously deleted? I cannot understand how a link to the ONLINE LAMSA BIBLE is not appropriate for the wiki pages about the Lamsa Bible and Dr. Lamsa. It is also relevant to pages to do with the Bible, New Testament, Aramaic, Peshitta and Peshitta primacy. I cannot understand your continual resitance to a link to an online version of the Lamsa Bible, on wiki pages dedicated to Dr. Lamsa and his Bible version. Some pages have absolute garbage links and yet this, which is 100% relevant to said wiki pages is deleted. This is extremely frustrating. Please stop deleting the link, it is a great resource and is dedicated to the late Dr.
What is it it with wikipedia? I'm trying to point out that Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are not Christians. But this place seems uninterested in the truth. You of all people should be against the labeling of these groups as Christian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cis2002 ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
So if the Ku Klux Klan described itself as part of the NAACP then we would put them on the NAACP page? I would hope not! Then why put these groups in Christianity just because they want to mislead people about what they believe? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cis2002 ( talk • contribs) 17:03, 12 March 2007.
The Ku Klux Klan is a group that basically believes in white superiority. The NAACP is a group to help minorities but tends to help African-Americans primarily. The Ku Klux Klan obviously is not part of the NAACP and it would be outrageous to do so. The example is to show that the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are only calling themselves Christian to fool people who don't know the difference and Wikipedia is playing right into their scam. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cis2002 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 12 March 2007.
The term Christianity refers to those that worship Jesus as God. If you don't then you are not a Christian - fact. If the United States which is a democratic republic was ruled by a monarchy then it would cease to be considered a democratic republic regardless of it's statements or history the same is true of non-Christian groups. Cis2002 20:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Therein lies the problem, the world has muddied the waters as to what the term Christianity means. It's origins came about as a reference to those following The Way (those that believed Jesus was the Christ). I am not concerned with what Satan has tricked people into defining a Christian as but rather what the term actually does mean. And yes there are absolute truths. Wikipedia will never be a valid source as long as it tries to claim everything is relative. Cis2002 12:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm...I thought we were supposed to avoid negative persoanl attacks like your last post? Guess it's okay if you're in the majority and an administrator. BTW, I thought you were a priest and you are poking fun at Sunday School? Wonder what Jesus would think of that? Cis2002 13:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Please be aware that against guidelines, User:Cis2002 has made his userpage home to polemical statements. I am writing to you because you have been dealing with his failure to abide by Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you. Vassyana 18:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Garzo! I saw our company name as one of the entries here in wiki. I would like to put it in more appropriate categories which describe the type of service it renders, however, those categories aren't existing yet. Can I create them instead? Categories I want to add are: Testing services, Certification services, Inspection services. Your advice much appreciated.> alen_ph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alen ph ( talk • contribs) 08:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
Thank you very much. I got your point. :-) and I appreciate your quick reply. -alen_ph
I noticed you were mentioning the Talk page of Armenian language about Aramaic language not being Armenian. I agree with you that there are a "handful" of the words. Yet, you removed the entire sentence instead of just removing the Aramaic part. Please put back the other parts of the sentence, specially Sanskrit which we put a blue link also with it. Sanskrit however is not the case like Aramaic, its Indo-European like Greek and Persian, and it was formed in the Armenian Highlands. Since you dont know much about that, please just remove the Aramaic part of the sentence and leave the important info back there. Thank you. 75.4.31.25 02:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Dont put back the Aramaic part, but leave the sentence without the "Aramaic". Its not just Movsisyan, if you read the sentence it says "some scholars" like Movsisyan for example or to name a few. By the way the person in the Talk Armenian language that told you to remove it, was the guy that even put that sentence. There are more scholars that know this like V. V. Ivanov and Tamaz_Gamkrelidze, who reveal the origins of IE homeland and IE language origins. So please do not randomly remove info that you dont know about, these other scholars also mention Sanskrit being a daughter language of Armenian that stayed in the homeland of IE, Armenian Highlands —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.175.97.167 ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 16 March 2007.
Hi Garzo. I must say you've done a great work on Christianity and Aramaic. They're not just academic, but also interesting to me. Keep up the good work. Fantastic4boy
Do it before I change my mind. Delete my username and profile. The Tsar is Gone but I am King 23:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not pretty sure when I say this but could it not be so that Suryoye differ from Suraye in genetic ways? Many do not "look" like eachother but many still do "look" like eachother and reminds of a ethnic people. Perhaps what unites us is more the language, as the Arabs do. The term "Arab" descfribes people of different ethnic backgrounds with one Arabic language, perhaps that counts for Aramaic too? -- Yohanun 13:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Please help me try to understand this. What are we talking about in the Aramaic language page? The ancient aramaic that nobody speaks today or the neo-aramaic languages with the different dialects that I speak today? If it is today's aramaic language, then how can it have only 445,000 speakers when you add the total of its dialects of the Assyrians alone;
adding them totally is far more greater then 445,000. And where does Syriac language fall in all this? Thanks. Chaldean 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Call it Syriac-Aramaic, Leshana Suryaya Aramaya, la khziyet al nukhraye khona akhnan jatten mot leshanan shimme, pakhalta khona bas sureth didi lele spay al ana hamzem lehza ma'rbaya-- Yohanun 10:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
IIRC there was a way to add iso3 generic. could you add the explanation and then ping me? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 04:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth! Where have you been lately? Haven't seen you around. Hope you had a happy Easter!
There's a question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Syriac alphabet that probably only you can answer, if you have time and inclination. Thanks! — An gr 06:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Garzo
I want to create Babel box templates for Classical (or Biblical) Hebrew. For this purpose I need the translations for the boxes:
For the above sentences a translation for female and male users are needed. Some users don't like to speak in 3rd person of themselves, so translations "I am able ..." / "I speak ..." also are needed. For the category texts the plural is needed "These users are able ..." / "These users speak ...".
I hope you are the right person to help me. Thank you in advance. Hubert22 10:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Garzo,
Garzo, can you tell me exactly which Greek vowels translate to the Syriac letters you mentioned? Is this correct?:
I'm assuming this system is also in place for other (mainly European) languages, but I'm having trouble believing all vowels are represented. "Canada" in Hebrew is "קנדה," not "קאנאדה." Can you explain this to me?
Also, when transliterating from Arabic, is it proper to include aleph wherever alif is in the Arabic word? For example, would إسلام be ܐܣܠܡ or ܐܣܠܐܡ?
-- 334 14:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Time_Ambassador_Franks.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Abu badali ( talk) 21:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I want to start out by saying I'm really sorry that this happened - I did my best to stop it (since the discussion has happened so many times), but sadly I have been overruled by 4 people who are obsessed with name changing (regardless of whether or not I agree with them). There is a new debate on the Yoghurt talk page about the move - I just felt it would be best if most people who had voted in the past knew about this. daniel folsom 00:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth. Just to let you know I removed your comments on the current controversy at Wycliffe. In my judgement they went beyond what the Guardian article said -maybe coloured by inside knowledge? It is perhaps the case that we do need to have something on the controversy if it is bigger than the usual spats that go with institutional change so would be happy to discuss this with you. I guess there are double questions for me and you -firstly the desire for a good comprehensive article. Secondly what is best from a Christian point of view in terms of allowing Wycliffe to resolve the issues. I'm not sure that I would want some of the personal stuff in the Guardian propogated against my college principal if he was involved in controversy. Best Wishes ( Be Dave 20:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC))
Garzo,
I just wanted to respond to your email about Gorgias Press, and assure you that I don't intend to abuse the priviledge of editing or use it for advertising. I checked out your personal page, and as a fellow Anglican, I was pleased to see that you are so involved with Wikipedia. I am an academic of sorts, Ph.D. at Edinburgh in Ancient Near East, and I edit Wikipedia pages as time permits. When I know sources outside Gorgias titles, I add those too. In my teaching career I was one of those profs who advocated Wikipedia use, when, as always, compared to other sources. One of the best things going on the pages is the bibliographic material, so I would like to try to beef that up where and when I can. Cheers, Sawiggins 17:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)Sawiggins 5/18/07
Please do not turn Diyarbakır ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) into a revert war. You have clearly demonstrated an angry editing style on Turkish articles in the past. Please use the articles discussion page if you have objections. I was reverting to an older, agreed wording that had just been removed. I object to your calling this soapboxing. — Gareth Hughes 16:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
"Hindu views on monotheism" was mentioned in the text as a main art for the Hinduism section. We don't have to link it twice. Aminullah 16:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I saw your note on Alqosh's discussion page and I was wondering if you can resolve a problem we are having. Both my parents are from Alqosh. We (as the people of Alqosh) are all known to be Chaldean, no one of us calls themselves Assyrian. However, Chaldean keeps on arguing and editing the page for it to match his ethnic background (Assyrain). I don't have time to edit it back every time he edits it because I really don't have time for games and also that is not the way to go about doing things. I'm asking for you to look at the sources that I posted on Alqosh's discussion page that clearly state it is a Chaldean town. Also, check the history edit on the page, you will see numerous amounts of people who have tried to edit the page to say Chaldean but it's always the same person who is changing it to Assyrian. I really don't have much time to waste since I'm studying for my MCAT, I would appreciate it if you resolve the problem accordingly. Thank you...
Karam Bollis
16:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
An arbitration case involving you has been filed. Feel free to comment there. Thank you. -- Cat chi? 23:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear Garzo, whould you please check this history. On my Opinion it is an Editwar. -- Bohater 01:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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ܫܠܡܐ ܐܒܘܢ ܡܝܩܪܐ
ܐܢܐ ܐܪܐܡ ܡܢ ܐܬܪܐ ܕ ܒܠܓܝܟܐ ،ܐܠܐ ܒܫܪܫܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ ܐܝܬܝ ܡܢ ܣܘܪܝܐ .
ܗܪܓܬ ܬܐܘܠܘܓܝܐ ܒܕܝܪܐ ܕܡܪ ܐܦܪܝܡ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ ܬܪܬܝܢ ܫܢܝܢ ܘ ܗܘܫܐ ܚܝܐ ܐܢܐ ܒܕܝܪܐ ܕ ܡܕܝܢܬܐ ܕ ܠܝܐܓ
ܘܐܢ ܡܪܝܐ ܢܨܒܐ ܒܥܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܐܗܘܐ ܡܫܡܫܢܐ ܒܥܕܬܐ ܕܝܠܝ ܪܚܝܡܬܐ ...ܥܕܬܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܬܐ ܬܪܝܨܬ ܫܘܒܚܐ
ܪܚܡܬ ܕܐܩܪܐ ܫܠܡܐ ܥܠܝܟܘܢ ܘ ܕܠܡܐ ܢܗܘܐ ܚܒܪ݀ܐ ܒܕܥܬܝܕ ܘܐܢ ܒܣܡ ܠܟܘܢ ܗܘܢܐ ܗܕܐ ܐܝܬܝܗ ܕܦܐ ܕܝܠܝ ܥܠ ܘܝܟܝܒܝܕܝܐ ܥܪܒܝܬܐ ܐܪܡ
Dear Garzo, Danko has once again infected the article. I have removed the related text, but would like you to keep an eye on this guy. The article is getting more and more un-ecyclopedic by the minute. This has to stop! Below is the exchange that promted my action. P.S. "Phil Sci" archive is NOT a peer-reviewed journal or archive and have previously removed Danko's paper, whcih I will request once more to do.--Prof. Afshar 07:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC):
" For example Danko Georgiev works from a pure math position and a QM definition of complementarity. He arrives at a situation in which he has two incompatible equations. The "=" sign doesn't work. And so one divides the universe in two, one in which one equation obtains, and the other in which the other equation obtains." Carl Looper
Dear admin, I would like to inform you about recent vandalism done by Afshar on the article concerning his own experiment. Recently posted by me paper at PhilSci concerning his experiment has been added as reference in the Afshar experiment article by one of the participants in the discussion, namely Carl Looper. Afshar however decided to act by his own will without discussing his modification on the talk page, and started to insult Looper because of his statement that my work is mathematically correct. All of the papers on Afshar experiment are preprints and web blogs, because peer-reviewing itself takes 2-3 years. Afshar's own work is also not published in peer-reviewed journal, but only in conference proceedings. Also Afshar's own paper has been submitted to Physical Reviews series of journals and has been rejected for publication. Afshar never posted oficially the received negative comments for his work, but instead exploited and exploits popular magazines and media to annouce his work, and now abuses Wikipedia. Please revert the changes done by Afshar, as they have not been approved by other editors of Afshar's article. Danko Georgiev MD 08:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
YOU said revert: 'Western Assyrian' is a complete fabrication, there is absolutely no prior record to the use of that term, which was invented in the diaspora - how is Turoyo different? Please explain how Turoyo has a record of prior use by its inhabitants, and how it is not invented in the diaspora? Chaldean 02:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The Anglicanism Collaboration of the Month has been reactivated! Please consider going to the page to either vote for one of the nominated articles, or nominate one yourself. Thanks! Fishhead64 02:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Stop blocking us. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.62.159.237 ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 3 January 2007.
I recently found that the Jesus article on Wikipedia is the first item that comes up when you search for "Jesus" on the world’s most widely used search engine, Google.
Please edit the Jesus article to make it an accurate and excellent representation of Him.
The Jesus article may be a person’s first impression of Jesus. It would be nice if their first impression was from a Christian or the Bible, but for so many in these new days it probably comes from the Internet. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thanks a lot.
Also, watch out to follow Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. It is especially hard for the Three-revert rule and the Neutral point of view policy to be followed because of the nature of the article, but please follow these policies along with citing sources so that the article does not get locked from editing and can't be improved further. Thanks again. Scifiintel 17:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Diez2 22:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Greetings Gareth. I was wondering if I could have your opinion about the article. I was wondering if you think the page is neutral enough (I am trying my best to keep it as such.) Does the page sound wiki-material or too propergandish? Thanks. Chaldean 02:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at the notice that you placed at the head of Kurdish inhabited regions. The notice asks you not to depopulate the category. Seeing as this is a policy which you yourself have used in preparing the category for deletion, the category has now been repopulated. You are also reminded that this category is politically sensitive, and widespread deletions lack such sensitivity. Please let the deletion process run its course, and, if the decision is to delete the category, the links to it from articles may be removed by hand or by bot. As the policy is quite clear depopulating categories again will result in you being temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia. — Gareth Hughes 12:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Garzo, could you please have a look to the user:PStaple? I think he is a sockpuppet of user:Busca4. Thanks -- Garcilaso 10:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't a test. From what I know East Timor official languages are Tetum (that's pretty similar to Bahasa Indonesia, but still not Bahasa Indonesia) and Portuguese, not English. — 22:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, recently CyborgTosser and I discussed and came up with proposed style guidelines for all the individual consonant and vowel pages wherein the Occurrence section would have a table rather than a bulleted list. You can see the discussion here. So far nobody else has commented on the proposed guidelines and I believe it's safer to get a solid consensus before undergoing the work to change so many pages. If you could comment on what has been proposed, even if it's a simple yay or nay, this would help us out quite a bit. Thank you very much. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Hughes, I ask that you reconsider your endorsement of FayssalF's summary in light of my more detailed response thereto, which I have only now found the opportunity to put together. Proabivouac 08:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Garzo,
I am asking your help in stopping this wikipedia user who is attempting to tamper with the facts in the Oriental Orthodoxy Page. Please read my statement in the discussion page and his answer followed by my reply. I am reporting this to you as an administrator to take whatever action needed to stop him, I think that he will not back up. Please advise. Orthopraxia, 11:44 pm, Pacific Time, January 23rd, 2007
Hey Gareth, could you please check out the question at Talk:Mlahsö language? Thanks, Khoi khoi 02:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe we discussed the phenomenon of wikipedians leveling accusation of "original research" that stretch their definition of "original research" to unreasonable extremes.
I've received another accusation of "original research" -- this time from an administrator -- who left an admonishment that could be interpreted as a threat of blocking, or some other sanction.
Could you take a look at this colloquoy? Do you concur that conflating Yakup with Yakub was original research?
FWIW I believe this is the first exchange I have ever had with this administrator.
As before, I am happy to look for your reply here, on your talk page, if that is convenient for you.
Thanks! — Geo Swan 20:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I hope I can do something for you some time. :-)
How on earth did you learn so many language to such high levels?! I have trouble remembering new words in my native language never mind in foreign languages. Thulium 18:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I have never heard or seen Syriac Orthodox members fasting for baoutha? [ [2]] Chaldean 01:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to tell you that I really love your photographs of vestments--they really help on individual articles. I also think your singing voice is beautiful. "Pange Lingua" often resides on my playlist. I hope I do not sound creepy, but I just wanted to thank and congratulate you on your work. Also, your interests are cool--almost exactly like my own. May I add you on Facebook?
Pax Domini Tecum, -- Feerique 02:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC), Anissa
Gareth,
Long time no chat. :-) I've proposed something that you may find interesting over on Meta. When you have the time you might want to give it a peek.
אמר Steve Caruso ( desk/ AMA) • Give Back Our Membership! 05:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
History will look back at this era in that view. סרגון יוחנא 15:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Let me know when you get a degree in Assyriology (a simple bachelor's would be fine), and I'll maybe think that you are someway qualified to talk about this. Notice how my last post had the word stop in it twice — now stop writing — you're just being annoying. By the way, Jeopardy is a Yanqaya TV programme, so it's not shown here — it is just nonsense to me. — Gareth Hughes 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Whenever I see vandalism on Wikipedia I like to take action against it. Earlier today (10/02/2007), user 82.38.155.236 made a nuisance of themselves and vandalised the article on Urdu several times. You took action against them but they persisted. You gave them a stern warning on their talk page, which I totally agreed with.
When I came to the Urdu article the most recent adjustment showing under history was by user Islescape. Islescape apparently thought they had undone the actions of the vandal, but had failed. The vandal had managed to leave a URL for a Piczo site in large red letters at the very top and bottom of the page (right at the top, just underneath 'From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia', and right at the bottom underneath categories).
While the vandals first efforts at putting this irrelevant URL on the page were easily edited out (by yourself or Islescape), the final vandalism was more serious as it appeared invisible from 'edit this page'. Interestingly only en.wikipedia.org/wiki/urdu was affected, while en.wikipedia.org/wiki/urdu_language remained unaffected. The only place I could find the code for the vandalism was under Internet Exlorer; View; Source (code).
I searched through Wiki templates, user guides and code for half an hour to no avail. The vandalism remained in place, seemingly untouchable. A few hours later, the vandalism disappeared, without any new entries in the edit page. A mystery (to me anyway).
Do you know how the vandal may have hacked 'Urdu' without using 'edit this page', and more importantly how one takes action against this kind of Vandalism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.127.181 ( talk) 21:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC).
Hello Mr. Hughes,
In your revision of the article Ge'ez as of 01:05, 7 February 2005 you created a table, which has persisted, with modifications, to this day. In that table you indicated that the language is extinct and that it is the official liturgical language of the Tewahedo Church and Beta Israel. You did not cite sources for these two claims. These claims appear in the current revision and they are still unsourced. I'd like to request that you cite your sources for these claims. Thanks Itayb 13:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Gareth! Nice to see you're still around here. I was just wondering about a thing since last night I was watching "Suroyo tv" and saw the Syriac Orthodox Church's Bishop in northern Syria talking about the "Arabic numerals" not being Arabic at all. This since Aramaic was the first language to adopt letters to numbers, and since the Arabs call these numbers (1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.0) for "European numerals", and we in the west call these numbers for "Arabic numerals". If you look at the Serto script and compare its letters with the numerals you will see a lot common. 1 for Olaf, 2 for Beth, 3 for Gomal, 4 for the strangela Dolath, 5 for Heh, 6 for vow, 7 for Zayn, 8 for Heth (double youth as a double 0), 9 for Teth and 0 for youth.-- Yohanun 09:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Shlama Gareth. This user is out of control and is vandelizing my talk page accusing me of vandelism with templates. Can you please try to contain him. Thanks. Chaldean 16:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Greetings from myself, I'm Proffessor Marco, and currently i am appointed with the University of N.S.W. I havegreat respect for all priests, and currently I am asking for ypur support to prove the existence of CHaldeans. Many users are now vandalising the Chaldean pages and attenmpting to belittle th Chaldean race, with interests exterior to Wikipedia purpose and policy.
Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asm ccc ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
Regarding your RVs to faith, I hope you are checking the discussion page (both "definition / article innacuracy" and "Faith vs. Evidence - Creationism" sections) before carrying out reverts in apparent contradiction of the dictionary source.
Regards, 129.12.200.49 17:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth,
Thanks for boldly removing the native name from the main Interlingua article. We almost got this article to GA status a while back, but it has become both factually and stylistically messy, to say the least. If you're ever inclined to tweak the grammar, it would be greatly appreciated. If you have a background in Interlingua, I think the greatest difficulties at this point are factual. By the way, you certainly know a lot of diverse languages! – 66.68.174.245 23:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The nonsence is to create artificial nations and languages, a fact that enhances the conflicts in certain areas of the world. For all of us, used to live in the former Tito's cold-war Yugoslavia, it is well-known that southern Yugoslavia (now separated in "Kossovo" and "Macedonia") is inhabited by major Slavic populations (in fact Serbians and minor Bulgarians), Albanians, and Roma (Gypsies). The Slavs at those areas speak a typical Slavic dialect (like the dialects spoken by us in Serbia) which is a mixture of Serbian with maybe some Bulgarian. Therefore, there is no "Macedonian language" (and moreover "Kosovarian") which could be related to Macedonian language which is of course Greek according to the archeological and historical facts. Thus the area called "Republic of Macedonia" is not Greek, as Kosovo is not Albanian. Please don't contribute in formation of artificial nations and languages which leads to more problems in Balkans and Europe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Athgod ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
I swear on my fathers head Gareth that I say this with all due respect, but do you think the word Assyrian is a dirty word? A word that you can't stand? A word that you take offesne too? Then what is your reason for removing sourced info? [ [4]] This isn't the first time. Do you remember before on how many times I used to ask you how can the average person not think you having an anti-Assyrian agenda? Well do you blame me? Chaldean 05:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe this matter should be resolved decisively, it has been lingering on for too long, damaging the credibility of Wikipedia. Too many Syriac fathers have been labelled "Assyrian" now, without proper justification. E.g., Ephrem the Syrian has been posthumously claimed by Assyrianists, as is shown by his picture in the Assyrian people article, and by repeated attempts to translate Suryāyā as "Assyrian" or something similar. Only if the people concerned consider themselves Assyrian (or Aramaean or Chaldaean, for that matter), they should be referred to as such on Wikipedia.
In general, I think there should be a Wikipedia policy regarding questions of ethnicity, which should be approached in an intersubjective manner, considering the diffuse nature of the ethnicity concept. -- Benne ['bɛnə] ( talk) 09:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Why do you think this strange a with two dots above is standard transliteration of Arabic ta marbuta? I always saw either -ah or -at.-- Al-Bargit 19:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Garzo,
Thank you for taking the time to comment about the Toytonic page. Yes, Toytonic is of course a constructed language. But, it is also an Indo-European language (as are Esperanto, and a few other constructed languages). I was hoping you could please tell me more about what qualifies a language for listing in Wikipedia?
I have noticed several engineered, artistic, constructed, and even fictional languages have their own page or pages. There are also pages for languages that are only in the concept stage or even for language development efforts that have yet to render a full language.
If you could tell me a bit more about what is required for entry, then perhaps I could know whether this was the right place for the information (or simply know what information to provide).
Now, about Toytonic. Toytonic is the product of an ongoing collaborative effort between linguists and language educators to develop a language that is based on PIE and it's early daughter languages while evolving those systems into a more dynamic language. Toytonic is based on the word roots of PIE and several functional features of other Indo-Eurpean languages. These ancient forms have been modified to place the language at a point that accounts for the evolution from PIE that most linguists agree to be inevitable natural changes (mostly phonetic). Then, the language is structured to be absolute (everything has only one meaning). It should be simply in structure and easily learned in a short period of time.
The efforts have resulted in a grammar, basic vocabulary and rules for adding to the lexicon, and some spoken and written speech. The next step will be to compile a larger lexicon with cross-references to English, German, and Spanish. From there an effort will begin to begin establishing a literature through writing and translation.
I don't know exactly how many speakers there are currently, but it is certainly below 30 (guessing that based on contributions). As more information (words, lit, etc) become available that number is expected to increase substantially.
The final step of the project will be to establish groups of speakers (formal or informal) and monitor the langauge for change.
Please advise from here,
Thanks
Drew —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drew.ward ( talk • contribs) 03:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
We are having some kind of debate in Sweden about the Kh used a lot in the Assyrian Neo Aramaic dialect and the H being usd a lot in the Western Aramaic (Turoyo,Suryoyo). Are there any proofs of which one of whom is the correct pronounciation?-- Yohanun 20:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the fast answer but I would like you to answer two things if you can answer them of course. Is the Sureth dialect , who uses P,A and Khet pronounciations the correct dialect or is Surayt with the F,Å and Heth pronounciations the correct dialect. Which dialect has developed its own pronouncations? Best regards / -- Yohanun 15:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
In the Araden dialect it can be both ħeth, kheth or khap. For example khilma which means dream is actuall spelled ħilma with a ħeth and not a kap. The Telkeppe dialect tends to use the ħeth more often due to the close interaction with the Arabic language and the use of many Arabic-derived loan words rendered Aramaic. eg. Bisl=Bisla, Riz=Rizza, etc. In the dialects of Iran and northeastern Turkey not only is ħ lost and merged with kh but also the waw becomes a vav.
Hi Garzo, if you're going to block any IPs (e.g. User talk:203.122.254.26) clearly marked as a belonging to a school, please use {{ schoolblock}} as your block reason which clearly explains how anon-only blocking works. Otherwise, the unblock-en-l mailing list will continue to have to deal with many more confused or irate emails from schools. Thanks. -- Netsnipe ► 08:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth,
Would you be able to get a hand on C.W. Mitchell, S. Ephraim's Prose Refutations of Mani, Marcion and Bardaisan (London & Oxford: Williams & Norgate, 1912 & 1921)? In Vol. II, p. 225, Ephraim is supposed to be cited saying about Bardaisan: "the philosopher of the Arameans made himself a laughing-stock among Arameans and Greeks." I'd be very grateful. -- Benne ['bɛnə] ( talk) 15:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I have Mitchell's edition of the Prose Refutations in front of me now. I think p225 may have been the wrong passage, but I've found the right passage. I'll give you p225 first. The occurrence on 225.24–26, which read ܘܦܫ ܠܗ ܪܘܟܒܗ ܕܦܠܣܘܦܐ ܐܪܡܝܐ. This translates as "And there rests the philosophy of the Aramaean". Even thought the passage is part of the refutation of Mani, this section explicitly deals with Bardaisan. However, I found the sentence you wanted elsewhere: in 7.45 – 8.1 (against Bardaisan's Domnus). The Syriac reads ܓܘܚܟܐ ܕܝܢ ܥܒܕ ܢܦܫܗ ܒܝܬ ܐܖ̈ܡܝܐ ܘܝܘܢ̈ܝܐ. ܦܝܠܘܣܦܐ ܕܐܖ̈ܡܝܐ. This translates as "But a laughing stock he made himself among the Aramaeans and the Greeks, the philosopher of the Aramaeans". The word ܐܪܡܝܐ only occurs in one other place (in the refutation of Hypatius vol.1 122.7), it is speaking about the Manichees' reading of the Gospel of John is errant because they follow what is written in the 'Aramaean' and do not refer to the Greek text. The word ܣܘܪܝܝܐ does not appear at all in the Prose Refutations. I'm not sure what you want to make of these lines, but the context makes it quite clear that the word 'Aramaean' is being used neutrally to describe the language and people (either those who speak it or the inhabitants of a geographical region). What is certain is that Ephrem does not intend the kind of ethnic understanding of such terms as they are used today — this use is quite modern.
Now, looking over at Joseph Amar's edition of Jacob of Serugh's 'Memra on Saint Ephrem', Jacob uses the word 'Aramaean' of Ephrem in one distich, and follows it with the word 'Syrian/c' in the following distich.
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ܗܢܐ ܕܗܘܐ ܟܠܝܠܐ ܠܟܠܗ ܐܪܡܝܘܬܐ
ܘܒܗ ܐܬܩܪܒܬ ܬܡܛܐ ܠܫܘܦܖ̈ܐ ܖ̈ܘܚܢܝܐ
"He who is the crown of all Aramaea
and through him it approached to attain spiritual virtues"
One late manuscript (the Harvard Syriac 100, 1900) has the word ܐܘܡܬܐ, 'nation', instead of ܐܪܡܝܘܬܐ, 'Aramaea'.
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ܗܢܐ ܕܗܘܐ ܪܗܝܪܐ ܪܒܐ ܒܝܬ ܣܘܖ̈ܝܝܐ
ܘܟܠ ܡ̈ܠܦܝܐ ܡܢܗ ܘܠܟܐ ܒܗ ܐܨܛܒܬܘ
"He who was a great rhetor among the Syrians
and all teachers from him until now have been adorned through him"
If it's of interest, distich 46 compares the singing of the Hebrew women with tambourines at the Exodus to the singing of Aramaean women (ܐܖ̈ܡܝܬܐ) with the hymns of Ephrem.
I hope this tells you all you want to know. Let me know if there's anything that you want me to look into further. — Gareth Hughes 23:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Gareth, does this topic needs its own page or can it be merged with something else? Chaldean 04:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Gareth,
The article about the Mor Gabriel Monastery was moved to Deyrulumur Monastery, on the grounds that the latter is the official and more common name. I wouldn't know what the official name is (both names are written at the entrance), but it seems to me that Mor Gabriel (or Mar Gabriel) is by far better known, also used in the French- and German-language Wikipedia's. What do you think? If you agree, would you be so kind to move it back? Thanks a lot. -- Benne ['bɛnə] ( talk) 10:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comment here. :) 86.56.48.12 01:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Why must the link to the Lamsa Bible be continuously deleted? I cannot understand how a link to the ONLINE LAMSA BIBLE is not appropriate for the wiki pages about the Lamsa Bible and Dr. Lamsa. It is also relevant to pages to do with the Bible, New Testament, Aramaic, Peshitta and Peshitta primacy. I cannot understand your continual resitance to a link to an online version of the Lamsa Bible, on wiki pages dedicated to Dr. Lamsa and his Bible version. Some pages have absolute garbage links and yet this, which is 100% relevant to said wiki pages is deleted. This is extremely frustrating. Please stop deleting the link, it is a great resource and is dedicated to the late Dr.
What is it it with wikipedia? I'm trying to point out that Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are not Christians. But this place seems uninterested in the truth. You of all people should be against the labeling of these groups as Christian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cis2002 ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
So if the Ku Klux Klan described itself as part of the NAACP then we would put them on the NAACP page? I would hope not! Then why put these groups in Christianity just because they want to mislead people about what they believe? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cis2002 ( talk • contribs) 17:03, 12 March 2007.
The Ku Klux Klan is a group that basically believes in white superiority. The NAACP is a group to help minorities but tends to help African-Americans primarily. The Ku Klux Klan obviously is not part of the NAACP and it would be outrageous to do so. The example is to show that the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are only calling themselves Christian to fool people who don't know the difference and Wikipedia is playing right into their scam. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cis2002 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 12 March 2007.
The term Christianity refers to those that worship Jesus as God. If you don't then you are not a Christian - fact. If the United States which is a democratic republic was ruled by a monarchy then it would cease to be considered a democratic republic regardless of it's statements or history the same is true of non-Christian groups. Cis2002 20:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Therein lies the problem, the world has muddied the waters as to what the term Christianity means. It's origins came about as a reference to those following The Way (those that believed Jesus was the Christ). I am not concerned with what Satan has tricked people into defining a Christian as but rather what the term actually does mean. And yes there are absolute truths. Wikipedia will never be a valid source as long as it tries to claim everything is relative. Cis2002 12:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm...I thought we were supposed to avoid negative persoanl attacks like your last post? Guess it's okay if you're in the majority and an administrator. BTW, I thought you were a priest and you are poking fun at Sunday School? Wonder what Jesus would think of that? Cis2002 13:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Please be aware that against guidelines, User:Cis2002 has made his userpage home to polemical statements. I am writing to you because you have been dealing with his failure to abide by Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you. Vassyana 18:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Garzo! I saw our company name as one of the entries here in wiki. I would like to put it in more appropriate categories which describe the type of service it renders, however, those categories aren't existing yet. Can I create them instead? Categories I want to add are: Testing services, Certification services, Inspection services. Your advice much appreciated.> alen_ph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alen ph ( talk • contribs) 08:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
Thank you very much. I got your point. :-) and I appreciate your quick reply. -alen_ph
I noticed you were mentioning the Talk page of Armenian language about Aramaic language not being Armenian. I agree with you that there are a "handful" of the words. Yet, you removed the entire sentence instead of just removing the Aramaic part. Please put back the other parts of the sentence, specially Sanskrit which we put a blue link also with it. Sanskrit however is not the case like Aramaic, its Indo-European like Greek and Persian, and it was formed in the Armenian Highlands. Since you dont know much about that, please just remove the Aramaic part of the sentence and leave the important info back there. Thank you. 75.4.31.25 02:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Dont put back the Aramaic part, but leave the sentence without the "Aramaic". Its not just Movsisyan, if you read the sentence it says "some scholars" like Movsisyan for example or to name a few. By the way the person in the Talk Armenian language that told you to remove it, was the guy that even put that sentence. There are more scholars that know this like V. V. Ivanov and Tamaz_Gamkrelidze, who reveal the origins of IE homeland and IE language origins. So please do not randomly remove info that you dont know about, these other scholars also mention Sanskrit being a daughter language of Armenian that stayed in the homeland of IE, Armenian Highlands —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.175.97.167 ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 16 March 2007.
Hi Garzo. I must say you've done a great work on Christianity and Aramaic. They're not just academic, but also interesting to me. Keep up the good work. Fantastic4boy
Do it before I change my mind. Delete my username and profile. The Tsar is Gone but I am King 23:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not pretty sure when I say this but could it not be so that Suryoye differ from Suraye in genetic ways? Many do not "look" like eachother but many still do "look" like eachother and reminds of a ethnic people. Perhaps what unites us is more the language, as the Arabs do. The term "Arab" descfribes people of different ethnic backgrounds with one Arabic language, perhaps that counts for Aramaic too? -- Yohanun 13:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Please help me try to understand this. What are we talking about in the Aramaic language page? The ancient aramaic that nobody speaks today or the neo-aramaic languages with the different dialects that I speak today? If it is today's aramaic language, then how can it have only 445,000 speakers when you add the total of its dialects of the Assyrians alone;
adding them totally is far more greater then 445,000. And where does Syriac language fall in all this? Thanks. Chaldean 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Call it Syriac-Aramaic, Leshana Suryaya Aramaya, la khziyet al nukhraye khona akhnan jatten mot leshanan shimme, pakhalta khona bas sureth didi lele spay al ana hamzem lehza ma'rbaya-- Yohanun 10:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
IIRC there was a way to add iso3 generic. could you add the explanation and then ping me? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 04:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth! Where have you been lately? Haven't seen you around. Hope you had a happy Easter!
There's a question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Syriac alphabet that probably only you can answer, if you have time and inclination. Thanks! — An gr 06:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Garzo
I want to create Babel box templates for Classical (or Biblical) Hebrew. For this purpose I need the translations for the boxes:
For the above sentences a translation for female and male users are needed. Some users don't like to speak in 3rd person of themselves, so translations "I am able ..." / "I speak ..." also are needed. For the category texts the plural is needed "These users are able ..." / "These users speak ...".
I hope you are the right person to help me. Thank you in advance. Hubert22 10:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Garzo,
Garzo, can you tell me exactly which Greek vowels translate to the Syriac letters you mentioned? Is this correct?:
I'm assuming this system is also in place for other (mainly European) languages, but I'm having trouble believing all vowels are represented. "Canada" in Hebrew is "קנדה," not "קאנאדה." Can you explain this to me?
Also, when transliterating from Arabic, is it proper to include aleph wherever alif is in the Arabic word? For example, would إسلام be ܐܣܠܡ or ܐܣܠܐܡ?
-- 334 14:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Time_Ambassador_Franks.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Abu badali ( talk) 21:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I want to start out by saying I'm really sorry that this happened - I did my best to stop it (since the discussion has happened so many times), but sadly I have been overruled by 4 people who are obsessed with name changing (regardless of whether or not I agree with them). There is a new debate on the Yoghurt talk page about the move - I just felt it would be best if most people who had voted in the past knew about this. daniel folsom 00:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gareth. Just to let you know I removed your comments on the current controversy at Wycliffe. In my judgement they went beyond what the Guardian article said -maybe coloured by inside knowledge? It is perhaps the case that we do need to have something on the controversy if it is bigger than the usual spats that go with institutional change so would be happy to discuss this with you. I guess there are double questions for me and you -firstly the desire for a good comprehensive article. Secondly what is best from a Christian point of view in terms of allowing Wycliffe to resolve the issues. I'm not sure that I would want some of the personal stuff in the Guardian propogated against my college principal if he was involved in controversy. Best Wishes ( Be Dave 20:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC))
Garzo,
I just wanted to respond to your email about Gorgias Press, and assure you that I don't intend to abuse the priviledge of editing or use it for advertising. I checked out your personal page, and as a fellow Anglican, I was pleased to see that you are so involved with Wikipedia. I am an academic of sorts, Ph.D. at Edinburgh in Ancient Near East, and I edit Wikipedia pages as time permits. When I know sources outside Gorgias titles, I add those too. In my teaching career I was one of those profs who advocated Wikipedia use, when, as always, compared to other sources. One of the best things going on the pages is the bibliographic material, so I would like to try to beef that up where and when I can. Cheers, Sawiggins 17:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)Sawiggins 5/18/07
Please do not turn Diyarbakır ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) into a revert war. You have clearly demonstrated an angry editing style on Turkish articles in the past. Please use the articles discussion page if you have objections. I was reverting to an older, agreed wording that had just been removed. I object to your calling this soapboxing. — Gareth Hughes 16:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
"Hindu views on monotheism" was mentioned in the text as a main art for the Hinduism section. We don't have to link it twice. Aminullah 16:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I saw your note on Alqosh's discussion page and I was wondering if you can resolve a problem we are having. Both my parents are from Alqosh. We (as the people of Alqosh) are all known to be Chaldean, no one of us calls themselves Assyrian. However, Chaldean keeps on arguing and editing the page for it to match his ethnic background (Assyrain). I don't have time to edit it back every time he edits it because I really don't have time for games and also that is not the way to go about doing things. I'm asking for you to look at the sources that I posted on Alqosh's discussion page that clearly state it is a Chaldean town. Also, check the history edit on the page, you will see numerous amounts of people who have tried to edit the page to say Chaldean but it's always the same person who is changing it to Assyrian. I really don't have much time to waste since I'm studying for my MCAT, I would appreciate it if you resolve the problem accordingly. Thank you...
Karam Bollis
16:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
An arbitration case involving you has been filed. Feel free to comment there. Thank you. -- Cat chi? 23:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear Garzo, whould you please check this history. On my Opinion it is an Editwar. -- Bohater 01:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)