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Thanks, Osarius. I actually took a course in Wikipedia at work and I feel reasonably confident about the basics at least. I don't expect to be doing that much editing. Just keeping an eye on one or two things of interest to my employers and perhaps helping out from time to time in areas such as the Featured Article. FrontBottomFracas ( talk) 19:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Your insistence on adding the birth date to the article Suicide of Amanda Todd is bordering on vandalism. You may mean well, but you simply have no valid argument. Providing reliable sources is one of the fundamental principals of Wikipedia and is not open for discussion. And it doesn't matter what s happening on other articles. It only means those articles need fixing also. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. This will give you an understanding. Thanks. BashBrannigan ( talk) 21:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
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Per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, birth date must be kept out for until consensus is reached at talk page. Make a case, get agreement, and add it when that is achieved. If you don't we will keep removing the date, and eventually you may be blocked. Nobody wants that. Please trust the community. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:19, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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For your civil and thoughtful manner, I hereby present to you this Original Barnstar. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 19:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC) |
My dear fellow editor: Normally we give a stupid kitten to soothe any hard feelings. But, it is with great respect that I award to you this barnstar.
We may have different views on the Todd matter, but such is Wikipedia. Please don't think that we are ganging up. Sides happen naturally as a result of editors calling them as they see them. Your conduct is civil and thoughtful. You are engaged, and behaving like a darn good editor. You have the right stuff.
I avoid disputes like the plague, but they happen. The important thing for me is to trust the community more than myself alone. I stumbled onto the idiotic topic of Ultimate Fighting Competitions ( UFC). A tight alliance of editors insisted that each event did not deserve an article. There were articles for say UFC 33, UFC 35, UFC 38, UFC 40, etc. This seemed ludicrous. Wikipedia could be a great hub for UFC. IPs were on my side. 3 regulars opposed. I took it far. In the end, 6 experienced editors said "no" and explained that they were protecting the standard of the project -- that many of the articles were just not notable. Ultimately, I trusted the community more than my own judgement and conceded. It would have been easy for me to have felt sour grapes and walked. I didn't.
If, in the end, we must wait for a super-reliable date, please never leave Wikipedia. We need your kind. There are lots of areas here, many of which are non-controversial such as Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images. I will always be around to work with you if you like. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 19:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I see the whole thing has now been settled and the date of birth is now included. It leaves me with an extremely bad taste in my mouth. I really don't think it's worth editing Wikipedia in this kind of environment. I shall consider, but frankly I don't think the game's worth the candle. FrontBottomFracas ( talk) 20:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
...for my "joke" remark, since it evidently did not come over in the light-hearted spirit in which I intended it. I have said a little more about it on my talk page, in response to your message there. JamesBWatson ( talk) 20:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Are you aware that "front bottom" is a euphemism for vagina? If you didn't know, I thought you should. If you did know, and now you do, I suggest you request a username change at WP:CHU/S. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( talk) 21:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Actually, no, their "sex" is not "immaterial". We have a deficit of female editors, and their number is in decline. Why persist with usernames that could upset editors when plenty of other names are available? Your assertion is pointless and baseless. Editors we're trying to encourage to join and stay may just wish to not be subject to edits from juvenile accounts including references to "front bottoms". Why encourage the declining population of Wikipedia editors to use such possibly upsetting and childish names? It's not clever, it's not "challenging", it's not "making a statement", it just isolates. If you believe in that, this isn't the project for you. The Rambling Man ( talk) 22:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
FrontBottomFracas: So, what do you think? Will you stay? Now you're probably doubly put off. :) If you stay, would you consider changing your username just to put all this to rest? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 22:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a bit much. All over a borderline username on the off-chance someone will encounter it and be offended enough to leave? All this over a user who is borderline leaving? All this while core editors and admins alike commit terrible violations of NPA and CIVIL, get blocked multiple times without getting booted?? If we blow thousands of characters on this matter while ignoring what really chases editors away (me too, almost), then our priorities are seriously out of whack. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia is what it is. Look carefully and you will see that it is a massive social experiment that looks very much like an encyclopaedia. Once you accept that not everyone else is reasonable in their approach you will enjoy yourself more. The key to having fun is to remember not to take anything that happens here seriously, but to play your part in the great experiment. It's a great learning ground for surviving corporate life down in the grunt pool, too.
I don't always share your opinions, but that's great, too. I stand by your right to have them, hold them firmly and to differ from me and anyone else.
It's hugely discouraging to have edits reverted until you decide never to edit as a mother. Edit as a father instead, make your edits and send them into the world to see how well they survive. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 22:04, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
It's way cooler. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 14:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I have found it curiously difficult to contact the Wikimedia Foundation to express by concerns about Suicide of Amanda Todd. To avoid any doubt that I have made a reasonable attempt to contact them to express my concerns and request that they be addressed, I copy my email below. I stress that is not to be interpretated in any way as constituting a legal threat. I represent no one and I am not contemplating any kind of legal action of my own behalf or any other individual or body. It is however an affirmation that I have made every reasonable effort to bring these issues to the attention of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Regarding Wikipedia itself, I have posted my concerns on Suicide of Amanda Todd's Talk page, at the Wikipedia Suicide Project templated on the Talk Page, at the Village Pump, and in due course I will open a BLP Noticeboard request concerning the deceased person's aspects of the case. I believe this exausts all the options open to me within Wikipedia to have these concerns addressed.
Following is the content of my email. I have archived this page here:
JaniB (
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22:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Added:I'm unable to send it to the Canada branch because they will not open an account for me on the basis of the limited biographical information about me I am willing to supply. I did, however, hear very rapidly from the UK chapter in an exceptionally courteous acknowledgment recommending me to open a deceased person's case, and this I have now done at Wikipedia:BLP_noticeboard#Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd. JaniB ( talk) 03:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 ( talk) 10:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, FrontBottomFracas, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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16:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hi FrontBottomFracas! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Please join other people who edit Wikipedia at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space on Wikipedia where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Wikipedia and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! Osarius ( I'm a Teahouse host) This message was delivered automatically by your friendly neighborhood HostBot ( talk) 02:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC) |
Thanks, Osarius. I actually took a course in Wikipedia at work and I feel reasonably confident about the basics at least. I don't expect to be doing that much editing. Just keeping an eye on one or two things of interest to my employers and perhaps helping out from time to time in areas such as the Featured Article. FrontBottomFracas ( talk) 19:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Your insistence on adding the birth date to the article Suicide of Amanda Todd is bordering on vandalism. You may mean well, but you simply have no valid argument. Providing reliable sources is one of the fundamental principals of Wikipedia and is not open for discussion. And it doesn't matter what s happening on other articles. It only means those articles need fixing also. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. This will give you an understanding. Thanks. BashBrannigan ( talk) 21:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
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Per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, birth date must be kept out for until consensus is reached at talk page. Make a case, get agreement, and add it when that is achieved. If you don't we will keep removing the date, and eventually you may be blocked. Nobody wants that. Please trust the community. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:19, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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The Original Barnstar | |
For your civil and thoughtful manner, I hereby present to you this Original Barnstar. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 19:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC) |
My dear fellow editor: Normally we give a stupid kitten to soothe any hard feelings. But, it is with great respect that I award to you this barnstar.
We may have different views on the Todd matter, but such is Wikipedia. Please don't think that we are ganging up. Sides happen naturally as a result of editors calling them as they see them. Your conduct is civil and thoughtful. You are engaged, and behaving like a darn good editor. You have the right stuff.
I avoid disputes like the plague, but they happen. The important thing for me is to trust the community more than myself alone. I stumbled onto the idiotic topic of Ultimate Fighting Competitions ( UFC). A tight alliance of editors insisted that each event did not deserve an article. There were articles for say UFC 33, UFC 35, UFC 38, UFC 40, etc. This seemed ludicrous. Wikipedia could be a great hub for UFC. IPs were on my side. 3 regulars opposed. I took it far. In the end, 6 experienced editors said "no" and explained that they were protecting the standard of the project -- that many of the articles were just not notable. Ultimately, I trusted the community more than my own judgement and conceded. It would have been easy for me to have felt sour grapes and walked. I didn't.
If, in the end, we must wait for a super-reliable date, please never leave Wikipedia. We need your kind. There are lots of areas here, many of which are non-controversial such as Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images. I will always be around to work with you if you like. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 19:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I see the whole thing has now been settled and the date of birth is now included. It leaves me with an extremely bad taste in my mouth. I really don't think it's worth editing Wikipedia in this kind of environment. I shall consider, but frankly I don't think the game's worth the candle. FrontBottomFracas ( talk) 20:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
...for my "joke" remark, since it evidently did not come over in the light-hearted spirit in which I intended it. I have said a little more about it on my talk page, in response to your message there. JamesBWatson ( talk) 20:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Are you aware that "front bottom" is a euphemism for vagina? If you didn't know, I thought you should. If you did know, and now you do, I suggest you request a username change at WP:CHU/S. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( talk) 21:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Actually, no, their "sex" is not "immaterial". We have a deficit of female editors, and their number is in decline. Why persist with usernames that could upset editors when plenty of other names are available? Your assertion is pointless and baseless. Editors we're trying to encourage to join and stay may just wish to not be subject to edits from juvenile accounts including references to "front bottoms". Why encourage the declining population of Wikipedia editors to use such possibly upsetting and childish names? It's not clever, it's not "challenging", it's not "making a statement", it just isolates. If you believe in that, this isn't the project for you. The Rambling Man ( talk) 22:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
FrontBottomFracas: So, what do you think? Will you stay? Now you're probably doubly put off. :) If you stay, would you consider changing your username just to put all this to rest? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 22:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a bit much. All over a borderline username on the off-chance someone will encounter it and be offended enough to leave? All this over a user who is borderline leaving? All this while core editors and admins alike commit terrible violations of NPA and CIVIL, get blocked multiple times without getting booted?? If we blow thousands of characters on this matter while ignoring what really chases editors away (me too, almost), then our priorities are seriously out of whack. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia is what it is. Look carefully and you will see that it is a massive social experiment that looks very much like an encyclopaedia. Once you accept that not everyone else is reasonable in their approach you will enjoy yourself more. The key to having fun is to remember not to take anything that happens here seriously, but to play your part in the great experiment. It's a great learning ground for surviving corporate life down in the grunt pool, too.
I don't always share your opinions, but that's great, too. I stand by your right to have them, hold them firmly and to differ from me and anyone else.
It's hugely discouraging to have edits reverted until you decide never to edit as a mother. Edit as a father instead, make your edits and send them into the world to see how well they survive. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 22:04, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
It's way cooler. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 14:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I have found it curiously difficult to contact the Wikimedia Foundation to express by concerns about Suicide of Amanda Todd. To avoid any doubt that I have made a reasonable attempt to contact them to express my concerns and request that they be addressed, I copy my email below. I stress that is not to be interpretated in any way as constituting a legal threat. I represent no one and I am not contemplating any kind of legal action of my own behalf or any other individual or body. It is however an affirmation that I have made every reasonable effort to bring these issues to the attention of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Regarding Wikipedia itself, I have posted my concerns on Suicide of Amanda Todd's Talk page, at the Wikipedia Suicide Project templated on the Talk Page, at the Village Pump, and in due course I will open a BLP Noticeboard request concerning the deceased person's aspects of the case. I believe this exausts all the options open to me within Wikipedia to have these concerns addressed.
Following is the content of my email. I have archived this page here:
JaniB (
talk)
22:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Added:I'm unable to send it to the Canada branch because they will not open an account for me on the basis of the limited biographical information about me I am willing to supply. I did, however, hear very rapidly from the UK chapter in an exceptionally courteous acknowledgment recommending me to open a deceased person's case, and this I have now done at Wikipedia:BLP_noticeboard#Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd. JaniB ( talk) 03:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 ( talk) 10:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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