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I can see that you are having to deal with the same questions over and over; you might want to consider creating a User:FritzpollBot/FAQ page to address this. -- The Anome ( talk) 13:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I've written a blog post about it too. If you can write up some sort of focused FAQ page about the programme that we can link to, I want to get a mention of it into the Wikimedia blog as well (since the world will notice the article count inflating) - David Gerard ( talk) 16:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Mmm I'm staying away from the village pump from now on and adding a village pump where it is actually needed in parts of Bangladesh! I;ve stated the case and 55 people have strongly supported it. Obviously we can't win them all, but we don't have to as it will be going ahead anyway. We will work out how to cover the world in the best way possible. I do hope we can get some more data though for everywhere to shut up the people who keep talking about one liners. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I am curious about your choice of {{
Infobox Settlement}} vs {{
Geobox}}. I'm not closely involved with the issue, but I thought there was a "movement" towards consistently using geobox
. Thanks —
Andrwsc (
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No, if there are any doubts ask User:MJCdetroit. There snothing wrong with them except that some of the empty paramters need rmeoving. As for remaining one liners for ever. Kushgag has been expanded already and once real information becomes avilable why isn't this a useful edition 16:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC) ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000?
{{
Infobox Belgium Municipality}}
, {{
Infobox UK place}}
, etc.), and I think now is the ideal time to create a de facto standard for Wikipedia. —
Andrwsc (
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16:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)I feel this edit can be programmed into the bot. It reads the nearest towns and cities from Fallingrain. Plus the altitude I spoke about at BRFA. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 16:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Nearest towns always seems to be reliable, the problem is sometimes altitude is unreliable. I'm not saying that they are all unreliable, but for altitude on numerous occasions it has proved wrong. Such a shame as I also want to include as much info as possible ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I have several questions about your bot before voting. Sorry for not asking on the village pump page but I found it quite messy. Hope it is not a problem.
Thank you very much for responding and happy editing. - Darwinek ( talk) 17:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Fallingrain will not be used for any part of this project unless its reliability improves demonstrably. Best wishes Fritzpoll ( talk) 17:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Amurn, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amurn. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice?
Gentlemen, I recognize and appreciate your hard work on the geographical bot. Because it is clear the community does not have consensus on its current implementation, I have created a "devil's advocate" AFD procedural nomination for Amurn on behalf of several who have expressed nonnotability concerns. I believe it is appropriate for the community to discuss whether the two million towns are notable if no editor has taken a certain minimum effort to create them (the bot neatly opens the effort criterion for discussion because it makes article creation possible with a greatly decreased average effort). I think the project will have much better consensus after a bit more preparation before implementation, preferably consultation with population tables and most articles being created at the district level rather than the town level. I do not expect to take further part in the discussion. JJB 17:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
This is nasty stuff isn't it. What was the point in doing that. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I've done my best to explain that the process will involve working wikipojects and editors in native languages for many countries to try to ensure it is done as best and efficiently as possible, but STILL people are turning up and saying that they disapprove of "unreferenced stubs with unreliable information. Yawn yawn. ANother thing is perhaps somebody could clearly state that two million articles are likely to be added over 1 year and a hald and gradually in blocks rather than a sudden flood ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I just thought I should let you know ahead of time Radio Wikipedia will be running a short (65s) segment covering the current ongoing VPP debate. You can preview the segment here: Image:RADWP-Fritzpollbot.ogg. xenocidic ( talk) 19:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow. I bet your're hiding in a corner wishing all the attention would cease and things to go back to normal huh? Me too this was completely unexpected today. But please don;t give up; an incredible 80 people strongly support us, I'm sure things will work out, I may stay away from the wiki for a while as the comments by some people are kind of demoralising. I hope we are still appreciated. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Wise, Very wise indeed. Somebody has even claimed that I couldn't give a damn about developing wikipedia for everybody which is almost like saying Blofeld has hair down to his feet. I'm shocked at how some people have responded as if we are about to bring down the demise to wikipedia rather than actually planting seeds for major growth (which is attainable in the long run). Still over 80 people support but the willlingness of people to jump in as if its a poll is ridiculous. I'm tried to dress peoples concerns and provide a reason but I end up looking like a terrible person by them by not being happy jus tto sit back and watch them discuss somwthing and attack something they clearly know little about. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
If we could somehow obtain more information for each place automaticaly it would solve a lot of concerns I think ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, I've been investigating how this project might work itself out for Cambodia. From a first glance, it does not seem like this will be an easy task (bot or no). Cambodia actually has an amazing amount of statistical data online, which is good. For 99% of the country's villages, it has population, # of men, # of women, and # of households. Considering that most of the villages seem to be in the 200-800 range or so, this is quite detailed for a developing country. Using data from
http://www.stats.nis.gov.kh/CENSUSES/villagegaz/p01.pdf and the list of coordinates, I managed to flesh out the article on
Kouk Romiet commune. The datadump page had coordinates for villages with populations of 1,452, 1,660, and 1,127, but no coordingates for villages with populations of 778, 203, 339, 143, 459, 112, 196, 219, 329, 190, 1,039, 3,902, 240, 458, and 348. It also had coordinates for one of two villages without census data. Some of the names in the datadump sheet were variants of the names on .kh government sites, which is to be expected considering that Khmer can be transliterated so many different ways. Also, I am kind of confused by the naming of the naming of the villages in the datadump page, or whether the NGIS is including things beside villages (administrative divisions? other features?). Most of the names in the datadump page are preceded by "Phumi", which I am pretty sure means "village" (we have
phum discussed as meaning village, and the "phumi" entries often match up to non-"phumi" villages listed on government sites). which means village per khmerlanguage.com.
Mangostar (
talk) 02:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Anyways if we want to include more data besides just these coordinates it will be a slow slog to figure out how all the listed names correspond with the Khmer govt's transliterations, which are what we are using in WP currently (at least as a general rule).
Mangostar (
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21:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I would just like to say that I support the running of your bot, but only partially. I do not like the idea of the bot adding articles for villages with a population of, let's say, less than 100. If you were somehow about to get the bot to create stubs for all above 100 people, then I would be able to give you some unwavering support, but I still support you anyways. Cheers, Razor flame 22:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I should let you know an AN/I thread was just started about FritzpollBot: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal: create millions of improperly sourced article with MICROSOFT spam by bot. xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 23:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
While I love the idea of using a bot to create articles on real places with proper sourcing, the test cases created so far by User talk:Fritzpoll have improper sourcing and include a spam link to Microsoft. This is unacceptable. I tried noting it on an example and was reverted, so I am saying so here and at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. What would Microsoft pay for 4 million articles that say
*[http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx Search for ______ in the MSN Encarta atlas]
WAS 4.250 ( talk) 23:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Something else that I would want to know is the order in which the articles are created. Are you going by country in alphabetical order or something like that? I can't find that... Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 01:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Since we're data mining the US GNS data, we should use their variant names, where existant, and also use the NameID - unique for each name (incl. variants) for each feature, and you can use {{ GEOnet2}} passing the NameID as the first parameter and a link to the precise page for the feature's proper name, rather than a generalized link to the service itself. More precise and probably no more complex for your bot to be programmed that way. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 02:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Phew this has hit the big time hasn;t it. I look forward to seeing your new proposal. It may be a good idea to start Wikipedia:WikiProject GeoBot or something a get a big project together for large scale planning involving each of the respective wikiprojects, and also working at expanding some of those created by the bot. It will inevitably go ahead won't it? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Try looking at User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE/ArchiveMay2008. 328 kb in one month on my talk page! ♦Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 11:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
While consensus is good, setting up the village pump in that way was one of the worst things that could be done and it has put us under a lot of unnecessary pressure that we don't need. I'm sure we can work something out, whats frustrating is answering the same question over and over again. Perhaps a swim in the Bristol Channel for several days would sort it out ♦Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 11:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Thats an excellent proposal but you;ve made me look like the bad guy. "harrassing people when they disagree - discussion is fine, belittlement of opinions is not" is clearly an attack at me. I spent hours yesterday trying to explain that it wouldn't be operated in the way people showed. I didn't intentionally "belittle" peoples opinions other than those that showed absolutely no resemblance to the actual proposal. Many of the concerns were valid, particularly those on the fence to which I refrained from "harassing" Ernst Stavro Blofeld $1 million? 12:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
LOL I see. But one or two of the opposers labelled me as a badger yesterday so I wondered if you were referring to the bald badger. Believe me I would have rather not to see that straw poll. Perhaps you could add something to assert at the start of the proposal that maybe 2 million articles won't be created and that this number of permanent non notable sub stubs won't be created, which seemd to be the biggest problem before. If we assert thate ther emay be a lesser number, that are notable, and are more than one liners this would do a great deal I think Ernst Stavro Blofeld $1 million? 12:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I have recieved an email from the one of the operators of maplandia anyway who is more than happy (as you can imagine) for wikipedia to be connected with maplandia.
Hi James,
thanks a lot for your email and nice words about our website. Sorry for late answer, I am busy with my studies. I would be very happy for every link from wikipedia. Thank you for that. We have tried to include as much countries and regions as we could, so I am happy when this is useful for someone else. Please let me know if I can somehow help you.
Best regards, Martin Frohlich
Fritz, Frohlich?? German efficiency? Is Fritz your real name? Ernst Stavro Blofeld $1 million? 12:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Because you deserve them, for keeping your cool in a situation where a bunch of not too nice things have been said about your bot. Keep it up! -- Conti| ✉ 13:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question. Would the bot end up making disambiguation pages? That is, if there are a bunch of identical place names in an area, with slightly different article titles to disambiguate them, will the bot make a disambiguation page for them, or will this be left to human editors to (eventually) do? Or will human editors be doing it as part of the process? (As I understand it, the bot will be heavily assisted by editors) -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 09:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think the major problems you recently faced were at least in part due to the work being done by a small group of editors without consultation from any of the active groups already involved in the nations. For what it's worth, this might be a reasonable course of action.
I think allowing those individuals who are already involved in the topics to have a bit more active input in the discussion should be all that's required for it to function smoothly. Anyway, just an idea. John Carter ( talk) 13:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Well this is exactly how it should have been addressed initially. it would have saved a lot of trouble yesterday. There will still be people who will oppose because thats what they do but anybody who reads that should not react as they did before. Good move. Shortly before you showed me the initial proposal, I was going to propose that you establish anew wikirpoject to deal with this and take away specific messages targetted at you and towards the group to share the burden.
Well of course, the proposal is made at the WP:COuncil you don't just go ahead a create a whole wikiproject. ANy project has to have council approval first but in light of rthe discussion yesterday this wouls seem essential ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
This is the primary address of the census data table for municipalities. It can be rearranged to list them in any sort order, including alphabetical. Just above the table to the right, there's also an option to view a geographic index with a separate alphabetical list for each letter.
This is the page to use to search for an individual city or town's "profile" page, which presents its census data in more detail than the data table.
I've begun preparing a reference list, Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/Municipalities, of all Canadian municipalities that don't yet have articles, although it's not yet complete as I only started compiling it yesterday. It can be moved to any other title or reformatted if necessary.
I'll have some more resources for you later, but those are the big three that will be in use across the board. Bearcat ( talk) 14:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Fritz leaving a note like "if a significant number of people say "yes without reservations" we can move ahead faster, if a significant number say "no, it's just a bad idea," we can speedy-cancel it. Thats asking for trouble (many people don't want to move ahead). The opposers will relish it as they don't want change anyway. If a bot was adding these articles I could stop spending all my time on starting geo stubs and start spending more quality time in writing new articles like the 1972 Nicaragua earthquake like I did this afternoon and devleoping existing ones and geo stubs. People just aren't giving it a chance. The articles evne those on villages WILL be created eventually and to not approve something like this is madness as in years time we will mor elikely have more inconsistent articles and unreferenced work because the "community" wouldn't accept it is more efficient. It is a gross waste of time if they can't see that a bot gives editors a chance to concentrate on quality evne more so. Nobody has any problems with unleashing a bot thats does administriative tasks with spamming people tallk pages with countless image messages etc, so why should a controlled and regulated bot which is completely organized by humans that will add missing content be such an issue to developing what actually matter, the encyclopedia.
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Well I had hoped for a decent adult conversation (hey i don't mean dirrty talk lol) and discussion for planning the best solution, not a battle again. What is the point in repating the vote thing which creates aggression again? The village pump is not a good place for constructive planning. It is like a public market place plagued with shoppers and pick pockets and just shows what kind of a "community" wikipedia is. People will always disapprove of change and disruust others. Many people are complete opposites, its amazing how different peoples views can be. I would like to see how many of those on the fence could see any light with the new proposals -I greatly appreicate your efforts today to answer them. I appreciate consensus with important issues such as this but in my experience time is wasted unneccesarily in support and oppose issues when it should be discussed on the best course of action to improve something. I really think the straw poll should be removed and converstation moved to a place where it can be discussed rationally without the barriers that people keep putting up with straw polls which deflects people attention away from proper discussion. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
What might be a good idea is to start with a country which has a lot of data to be added. If we could start generating articles more resourceful and articles with clear valuable content people aremore likely to see it isn't so bad after all. IN a way it has to be proved that a]the articles can be constructed in an organized way and generatign encyclopedic content and b] we have to prove that the articles will be expanded ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I am also interested in using the Maplandia data to help the activities of User:The Anomebot2 in annotating existing articles without geodata. My pattern-matching code tries hard to resolve ambiguity wherever possible, but it cannot correctly resolve cases where more than place of the same name exists in the same country. Maplandia's hierarchical information would be invaluable for this: if Maplandia can yield a rough disambiguation to approximate coordinates, I can then cross-reference the data with the GNS data for confirmation. Is it available as a dump? -- The Anome ( talk) 18:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
If we are to make 1000 a cut off point, the best thing we can do I think is to create lists of the other places (or all places) places by district/province in the mainspace and have information in tables and the wiki min atlases globes in the tables and create redirects. At least this way the wikipedia would recognize every place but would be contained in a table until more info could be found to start them. At least the tables then would convey some info on them until there is enough to create full article. I know its a little like winning bronze but at least wikipedia would recognize 2 million places and have some sort of reference on their locations or basic statistics. Kind of like List of United Kingdom locations: Aa-Ak for every country and chuck in opulation data or whatever to the tables where possible. Just a thought ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities would likely be a good centralized place to recruit volunteers to deal with the FritzpollBot articles. This is a brilliant idea, and there's no doubt in my mind that it will be approved. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 00:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Thought you might enjoy this whiskey (if not, you at least deserve it). Keep up the good work. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cape Verde/FritzpollBot and let us know if that format is ok or not and what else can we do to help prepare the data for parsing by the bot. Thanks, Waldir talk 02:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey Fritzpoll, after checking out the proposal for your bot, I came across your userpage and I couldn't help but notice that you added {{User FixMyPage}}
on it. I could try to help you out on your page if you would like me to, but I would need to know specifically what you would like done (grouping userboxes, organizing awards, using html, etc.). Feel free to "drop me a line" (borrowed that quote from some user whom I've forgoten about).--
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I have sent a message to the wikiprojects in relation to Azerbaijan, Bangladesh (including WP:Bengal), Cambodia, Cyprus (also WP:Greece), East Timor & Hong Kong. I sent it to these wikiprojects and not the others as the other countries have their dabbing completed/checked. I will send a message to them to have a look/assist/support us in any way possible if you want? (I just figured the dabbing part of the project needs to be organized for those countries first). Cheers! Calaka ( talk) 05:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
World gazetteer lists -these list the population of the main cities and towns by country, For sure we'll have many of them and they are detailed enough, but for many countries even some of the main places will be missing. But apparently an official census hasn't been done since 1979 in Afghnsistan ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Azerbaijan etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
World cities and towns ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Well its partly for political reasons. With those MSN Encarta links I'm not going to go through 1000 articles and remove them. A bot (not meaning yours) could easily do that if people are going to fuss about it. Also you sia dabout cleaning up what we've got. There are about 25,000 French commune stubs without infoboxes (which can be copied directly from french wikipedia and inserted in the articles. It is just a cut and paste job and I;ve got a back log of about 25,000 articles to go through manually ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Mmm I understand, but you may have to wait a long long time before everybody approves. There is never likely to be any real agreement on what should be done on wikiepdia however much people discuss something. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You have an email address? I have something to say that I;d rather not say in plain view on here ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I know that but despite having my email address written in and before I could email people, now I can't as it always comes uo with a message that I should be logged in. I haven;t been able to email anybody from wikipedia for months. I think it needs reconfirming. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC) Well send shortly ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
"You got mail" ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes I agree totally and think that would be the best to start with. Ironic isn't it that I share the same name as my nemesis. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
That was my granddad's name. "Fred Anderson". Tough guy from London born in 1900, died 1993. Was a gym instructor in the Royal Navy, boxer, martial artist, swimmer and gymnast. Disciplined, I think woudll summarize him!! I rmeember him showing me how to do pressups when he was 90! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC).
Perhaps you could add an extra proposal that the bot could be used to clean up existing articles first by adding an infobox or details of something before eahc country is started. If you could prove that the bot could make existing articles consistent and generate new content it would likely gain more support ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Fritz half the people opposing are not even reading what it entails. Reasons for opposing have often been given as "there is no such thing as inherent notability". Does it not state that articles will be selected for notability first by human editors? Whatever you propose people don't seem to read it properly. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
More evidence even from the biggest speaker on the page "We can never achieve good encyclopedic content from a fully mechanical process. The bot should be used to make our work easier, not to replace it entirely". What in Frank butcher's name does he think it is??? How many frankin times have we said that we write the articles to make it easier to develop "not replace it entirely", does he think we plan a future of wikipedia where humans are banned from writing wikipedia and it is run by a bunch of mad robots. Groan groan ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The FritzpollBot discussion is a total mess. I can't make heads or tails of it. Can you please put some sort of explanation as to what FritzpollBot actually does (or is proposed to do) on the discussion page. Right now, it seems to assume that you have already read the previous volume of discussion. Thanks! Kaldari ( talk) 19:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
. Nothing to say. I need a cigarette. (I quit cold over a year ago).... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
OK I've requested a Template:Location map American Samoa using Image:American Samoa-CIA WFB Map.png so fingers crossed. Are you here today? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Well I understand how you must be fed up with it but I've just set up a new section to the page for editors interested in joining it. If we could show a team can be trusted to mnonitor and coordinate the bot this would help the cause. I'd rather not have to answer every question though, perhaps it could be shared between several of us. It might do you good to have a few days away (but please don't leave us!!). ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Well we now have 85 supports including with reservations. 100 people strongly supported before. Anything which equates to 100 supports on wikipedia is a major thing as it is always recorded the number of times people voted over 100 etc. When you return it is high time we set up the project to deal with it and start on the huge task at hand. It is very clear that the vast majority support this plus having the green light to use the bot we now need to discuss in the new wikirpoject space the best way to implement it. Take a few days break and when you return we'll put the plan into action. Consensus is clear we now need to set up the necessary infrastructure to organize starting each country and gaining new project membership. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I fail to understand the proffered justification for the archiving of the original, and the proposal of a "refined" proposal.
As can be seen from both the "archived" proposal and the discussion on it, the proposal had huge support.
The present proposal is terribly cumbersome; I gave up reading through it and don't plan to support it though I supported the initial one. Though continuing discussion is always fine, and revised proposals should be proffered if the initial one does not have wide support, I think it is ridiculous that the whole proposal was archived in this particular case. And that yet further proposals, discussion, and straw polls are needed all over again, as if starting from zero.
A strong majority of people agreed that the initial proposal would have been a fantastic addition to Wikipedia. I propose ditching the current discussion and going with it. Dovi ( talk) 13:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a mention your bot has been talked about in issue 5 of Radio Wikipedia. StewieGriffin! • Talk 20:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, 'fritzpoll' for fixing my (almost certain to fail) RfA. I have a question, by the way. Why is it that when I click edit page I get a box asking to download the php file, but it works when i manually add &internaledit=true to the URL? Any way to fix it? (It's bloody annoying). Please reply soon!!!
Ok, how 'bout this! Why are you ruining wikipedia! Why do you want to double this place in size? 2 million articles?? You are bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad!!!!!! Need more Whiskey yet? :-/ Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, there was only a logo, with a slogan and everything on. It should be deleted anyway! I don't know if I have told you this but issue 5 of Radio Wikipedia, had a story on your bot. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 21:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say don't let the discussions get you down. Although I can understand the hesitation by some to add more stubs, to me stubs are better than no article at all. I think its a great idea and a great place to start. Others do to, check Jimbo's talk page for example. I left some comments on the page.-- Kumioko ( talk) 22:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Hiya. I've commented. I'm afraid I am not prepared to close this. You'll see my detailed analysis at the page, but in summary I do find consensus to move this forward. However during lengthy analysis I have also come to the conclussion that I believe I would support the concept myself. As such I am no longer able to act neutrally, and cannot in conscience, close a debate when I cannot be neutral, even though it would be easy for me to do otherwise. Apologies. Pedro : Chat 20:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I guess you might want to see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot. John Carter ( talk) 00:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow. Impressive - ok, let's see what we've got in terms of volunteers - I'll check the list from WP:GEOBOT I don't think we can argue sufficient scope for a full WikiProject in any case, so a task force would be good. Nice work, glad to see you're keen! Fritzpoll ( talk) 15:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I have just returned to find the consensus for FritzpollBot. Knuckles cracked, code templates at the ready - let the work begin. :) Fritzpoll ( talk) 14:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, yes its great news and the result is what I anticipated (eventually). Yes I am unfortunately badly affected by the pollen in June, so much that in other years I have had a steroid injection to try to fight it!! Its not just the streaming eyes that makes comptuing difficult but the side effects of the tablets and general effects of the pollen seriously make you feel like conking out! My head kinda feels dumb! Luckily I'm only seriously affected by it for about three weeks rather than three months like some people! I would also like to see a full seperate wikiproject which I think will be needed for such a huge task ahead but it may be more advisable to create a task force first until it gains momentum. Perhaps you could make a proposal at WP:Councils to get it up and running, I'll try to chip in when I can. I've also created some new island locator maps which will be used if we are to begin with A. Samoa first. Feel free to continue uploading the directory, we don't want to deter all the helpful dabbers!! Good to here from you. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Would've let you know but I figured you'd see it on Sam's page anyway =) (re: short (94s) segment on Radio Wikipedia covering this decision. You can preview the segment here). best of luck fritzy, you've got a lot of work ahead of you. xenocidic ( talk) 14:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Fritzpoll et al...
As you plan to start up the project, I trust you will continue to encourage broad community input and feedback. I hope that you will create a centralized location for this, and have the bot create links to it on the talk pages of all the stubs that are created. I'm sure there will be many people who want to keep an eye on your progress and add their suggestions and critiques. I for one, would like there to be a single place that I can monitor to convince myself that I made the right decision. Thanks. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 18:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey dude, I'm doing ok! and you? you seem to have been busy. Did't realise you had such a debate, but good luck, and congrats that your bot got approved :-) Ok, I'm defo up for the push, lets start with writing a list of tasks on the project page, then we can all work from that? not sure where you will see this post, so I have copied this from my talk page and put it on yours. Many thanks, δ²( Talk) 03:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritz. If you are referring to my praise of Carlos's work last night it wasn't so much his dabbing of the lists you created but his general activity on wikipedia in this field in which he deserved to be encouraged. As for the community consensus, you do realise that most places will have to be evaded from being created by the bot now as you will not find "adequate" details on many of the African countries or poorer countries in Asia and Latin America for some time however optimistic we may be. Working with wikiprojects or not, for many of the countries in Africa you won't find enough data to create to high class articles on so even towns will have to be ignored by the bot leaving the countries which are in serious need of development left out because of this conservative approach. This was the whole point of the bot to start with. This means that the limited quantity that the bot will create due to these heavy restrictions could easily be done manually and somewhat defeats the object of why it was initially requested. The places that 100 people initally wanted to see with articles but many people didn't will be added anyway, its a pity more data isn't availbale for many of these countries. I;ve done some web searching and for the countries I most wanted to use that bot for, limited data is available meaning we will have to still ignore towns in many countries which isn't what I wanted. I fully agree that planning and working on each country and obtaining data through consensus is the best course of action, but the reality is that many of the most lacking countries are still going to be left out. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Mmm OK. What I would suggest though that if many villages in the directory ar eleft out of inclusion I would propose we create lists of the smaller places in tables by district/province with as much data as is available if there isn't enough to create seperate articles as Giro once suggested. We could then create the redriects to the lists of all the other places, so eventually the wikipedia index recognizes all settlements whether they are speerate articles or in lists, Then as info becomes avilabale the speerate articles can be created. Sound good?
What I want is wikipedia to recognize all the places that appear on sites like national satellite agency and maplandia but use what is avilable to display the information in different forms e.g if there is enough data -create seperate articles, if not create a list of places with info on location with a globe inside the tables etc in lists. This way even if there isn;t a load of info on many countries as I am concerned about, wikipedia would still offer coordinates of these places and acknowledgement. I am kinda hoping that as we work through countries info on other places will gradually become availabale so by the time we come to work on a country info has become available.. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Have a look at the new pages now!! I'm pretty quick for a human, many people have mistaken me for a bot before, but the reality is a bot could do things ten times quicker. The moment is goes into action is the moment I;ve been waiting for. Any progress on the project proposal? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
What I'd propose is that when the new project is established we have a department or sub pages dedicated to research. To compiling sources or listing potential sources for each country. What do you think?. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
If we decide, which I strongly think we should to create tables of all places anyway by district of each country, I think that the directory should still be generated. We may need to adapt it however if we are to trnasfer them into tables and find other info. Where we can I think we should create as many seperate articles as possible if valid enough but for those which at present it is difficult to obtain data, lists of tables would seem to most comprehensive system. After all people are here to learn, and if they have to visit 100 different pages to get the same data that could be listed in a neat table then our job isn't being done correctly. Some day in the future I can see websites dedicated to districts like there are in places like france and the UK etc all over the world and the days when we found it hard to find a population figure will be laughable, as by this time paragraphs of info on the history/culture of these places will gradually become avilable. It may be a while for some countries to gain access to the web but I think we can be sure that the givernment or elite of even poverty stricken countries will be wealthy eough to publish data online even in countries like Liberia, Guinea etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Here is a world directory of national statistic websites I found. COuld prove useful ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
It would be best of course to have a department or subpage of the new project dedicated to research and collecting links for each country which could be used ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll draw up a full list at List of national and international statistical services. Then this can be copied to the new project. Sound good? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, Jehochman asked me to pass this on to you. User:Caesarjbsquitti has been making a long long number of trolling and soapboxing remarks to various articles. He was topic banned from 9/11 articles recently but has continued to soapbox in other areas. He was blocked in November 2007 for the same behaviour. Here is my message to Jehochman and my detailed message to User:Haemo. Both Jehochman and Haemo recused themselves from dealing with this due to Caesarjbsquitti's remarks about 9/11. Thanks for reading this-- Cailil talk 13:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Good afternoon. I would like to comment on the proposal as stated at User:Fritzpoll/Refinement. Where should I do so? Thanks, your work on this proposal is appreciated. Feel free to respond on my talk page to ensure I receive the answer. Beam 17:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
You said that the first thing the group should probably do is work on the articles the bot did in its trial run. Not a bad idea, but a lot of the parties invovled seem to have very limited geographic interests, and it might be best to just let them work on generating lists for the countries they're interested in first. Do you by any chance have a list of the articles the bot has worked on? John Carter ( talk) 20:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought the proposal had been made at WP:COuncils?? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought John had filed it? IN that case I'm going to list it at WP:COuncils now. I'd rather we set it up as the village pump acted as a council discussion before but I guess we have to do it by the book. I want to see that bot running asap ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I might be interested in helping out on your userpage. Let me know what you're after and what you've already seent hat you like, and I'll see what I can do. Hope this helps, Gazimoff Write Read 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I figured the talk page of the project page would probably be the best place for discussion. I am trying to only really expand the articles that are all already completed, but the book I'm using groups several modern areas together into individual volumes, and I can't be surer it'll be around indefinitely, so I'm winding up creating a few new articles which are showing up in the Badakhshan volume anyway, while the book is available. John Carter ( talk) 19:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Well how long are you willing to wait. Is all this waiting necessary given that it has been approved? All we need to decide is what department it is to be under. I;ve never had much response from WP:Geography or WP:Cities on other issues either. I think it would be best as a task force of missing articles given that a lot of set up has alreadt been done there ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject Missing Encyclopedia articles/Geography task force has been formally requested. Please feel free to add further comment. The sooner we get an official framework to coordinate established the sooner the bot can start work! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
So we Americans are supposed to put up with your British desire to create a stub for every little hamlet and village in England but if we use public domain material for a stub on a Mayor of Seattle a City bigger than Liverpool it gets deleted. What @#^& explitive deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Multiple editors keep making the same mistake because they do not know American copyright law. If a text was published before January 1 1923 it s public domain. There are no hamlets in Britain more notable than Seattle. I am appaled that there are editors in Britain who ave nothing better to do han vanadlize American articles based on their prejudice. RichardBond ( talk) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Only a person from another country with a massive case of chauvinism would consider the Mayor of an American city to not be notable. Leave the article alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond ( talk • contribs) 22:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
"The controversy continued in the spring of 2008 when Takenouchi, who suffers from severe bipolar disorder, abandoned her company Yaoi house while in a delusional mania state, leaving customers, investors, and authors to pick up the pieces. Takenouchi has since returned to the company and continues to generate censure for retaining the title of President, despite her now well-known mental condition. [1]"
"Delusional mania state, leaving customers, investors and authors to pick up the pieces," isn't an attack? How so? Please elaborate. -- Blechnic ( talk) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you that was exhausting I thank you also for the reformatting tag Sincerely RichardBond ( talk) 22:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Thank you for taking the time to explain your decision regarding the article on Richard Marshall Bond. My concern was that the late Dr. Bond is the head of a non-notable company (see the red links). Also, it appears the article's author may have more than an academic interest in the subject (notice the name), and the author also has a surprisingly long history of creating articles that get deleted. I hope you don't take offense, but I would like to offer the article for AfD consideration. Thanks again, and be well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 10:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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Be well. -- Ecoleetage ( talk) 11:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I do hope you haven't tired of project? Busy? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography/Bot has been started. I've waited long enough with no response either at WP:Cites, WP:Geography or WP:Councils. Goven that these are major parts of wikipedia the response from them has been on existent. Anyway we have 22 members ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Issue dealt with. Too many cooks ought to be on the top of most Wikipedia pages. -- Blechnic ( talk) 21:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your offer. The editor is accusing me of breaking WP:EW and WP:3RR for reverting an editor multiple times, who removed AFD templates. If you find the time to take a look at it and give your neutral opinion, it would probably be a good help. As far as my average knowledge about Wikipedia policy goes, removing AFD templates is considered vandalism, and reverting them is not considered edit warring, and not liable for the 3RR rule. ~ | twsx | talk cont | ~ 21:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Mind if I bold your "delete" vote? Also, as far as a police department being notably non-notable is concerned: thanks for your appreciation of my humor; what I meant is that almost any police department gets coverage in reliable third-party sources. It would be notable for the police not to be in the news.
So I am inclusionist towards emergency service agencies. By the way, as an aside, one of the reasons that I'm inclusionist as to the police is that the police in my community have their own article (they are notable because of the sniper investigation), and I don't see why the police elsewhere shouldn't; the other reason is that I think that inherent notability belongs to public institutions, which both museums and police are. Please reply on the AfD discussion and then put {{talkback}} on my talk page. Thanks. 69.140.152.55 ( talk) 19:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been trying to figure out how to add data to the queue of entries the bot is going to make, but all I see is a row with coordinates. Am I misunderstanding how the bot is going to function? Phlegm Rooster ( talk) 07:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
How are you Mr. Fritz? Sorry if I've nagged you at all, I just see potential thats all! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
not interested. It will simply result in Ryulong doing whatever the hell he wants and me being blocked. -- Blechnic ( talk) 13:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in like this, but I think everyone cares a little bit about a block log. For example, I received a (well deserved) block back in January, for which I am sorry for. You just have to move on. Oh, and you say you don't count on anyone helping you. I'm no admin, but I'll be glad to help you (I apologise beforehand for not knowing a thing about it.) A bunch of admins thrive off the drama and practically contribute solely to the ANI. Fritzpoll is an exception, a very kind user that had to go through a lot of stress with the FritzpollBot. Just surving such a massive, drama-admin debate like that is a plus for you. You, amoung all people, would be (along with Blofeld, but he doesn't want to be one) my top prospect for adminship, and I want to congradlate, belated perhaps, becoming one. I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 15:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Butting in? Anyway. I'm going to leave it a little while. It's hard! StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 15:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
See Commons-l discussion - [3], thread at [4] - could be useful! - David Gerard ( talk) 11:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
[5] Tan | 39 15:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll. Whatever happened to the FritzpollBot? It got approved, and now there's a geobot group, but I haven't heard of the bot's progress. Are you still going to run it and how so? I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 14:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Strange I was about to ask if there have been any devleopments? We now have 25 editors on board and think when you have moment we should make ago of it. It seems silly to spend weeks in approving it and then not using it ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Somebody else also has a question for you:
The Procedure section on the project page is a little vague, so I haven't quite figured out exactly what needs to be done and how I can help. What do we need to do to verify item's on the list, so they can be generated by the bot? Please be specific. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
100 people in the "community" happened to strongly approve of the initial proposal as it was, and actually many weren't as pleased with the newer proposal because it was too conservative and limited. Even many of those who were against the bot creating similar articles said that they have no problems if humans are adding them, provding they can be expanded later. It was the prospect of a bot creating two million stubs with little info that turned many people off. Probably the best way to fill in the unknown places intially is using the lists but please don't deter me from expanding the encyclopedia in my own right. Many editors would support the work I do. I would urge that we create the lists by country but it seemed it would be a long time before it would be attended too, particularly as American Samoa is now on the number 1. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Cool! Yes that sounds good. I'm getting itchy fingers though to start all these places! I know that each country will be worked out eventually and we'll be creating lists of places but where the coverage is extremely poor at present I want to continue adding a few stubs. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes OK, its just I've always tried to be as productive as possible on wikipedia and try not to waste too much time. Where there are thousands of articles missing I tend to feel the need to begin addressing it. I hope the bot will be up and running soon! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Excellent. I did want to go through them alphabetically as was planned. E.g with Afghanistan, we should generate lists by province and create redirects to the lists. If we can't find much info, rather than skip it, I think we should still create the lists. Would it be possible to generate tabled lists with minitature locator pushpin maps in as appear in article?. I know the globe is recommended but if we could have both I think it would be useful. If we could evise a way to do this and not bloat the tables this would work great I think. I'd like the see Afghanistan finished off with lists ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking something like this with a globe also and any other useful columns we can find
Place name | Province | District | Description | Altitude | Nearest settlements | Map | |
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Looks good - propose i on the main talk page. We'll now need to contact our volunteers and get them crawling all over the pages. Then we can advertise it more widely to keep the community suitably involved and relaxed about it Fritzpoll ( talk) 14:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
We'd need to find a way of creating own own pin mpas for the lists at a smaller size also. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The more I think about the more I think creating a full set of world lists would serve a comprehensive platform to build on. Once the lists are started then we could work through and try to create indivudal articles using the bot where there is enough info available. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. Please enlighten me: exactly which sentence in this article do you believe is a weak assertion of notability? I read it again, and I just don't see any. Keep in mind that this article was part of a series, roughly half of which have now been deleted for non-notability. There were a few that I thought were borderline so I did not tag them for speedy delete, but this one seemed pretty clear to me. Maybe you can take a look at the others? They are all listed together at PNT. Thanks. Cbdorsett ( talk) 06:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Can you resend the link to the sharonbrain/johnnycooper page for the rework... Cheers Sharonbrain2 ( talk) 00:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fritzpoll" Thank you that sounds great to have your assistance in getting the page back up. What is the best way to work on it. Can you highlight the point of concerns in red so that I can address them? That would help. Is it that I need to add more sources? Thank you Sharonbrain2 Sharonbrain2 ( talk) 23:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have read over the WP:Music info. Where do I document the media sources, music charts, and record label info that proves he is notable? Do I add this info to the talk page?
I am curious about events on this article - Earlier this year I had discussion on his notablility with someone on Wiki (administrator?) from my old login (Sharonbrain) and they pointed out to others on Wiki to look at the links that I had on the page...such as press/media articles about Johnny Cooper as well has his appearance in the documentary "North of Austin/West of Nashville:Red Dirt Music". From this experiance, I thought all was well. Can you tell me was there a complaint on the page, was this a delayed deletion, ...
Appreciate any insight or process on where to provide inclusion evidence.
Cheers Sharon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharonbrain2 ( talk • contribs) 00:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Oooops Sharonbrain2 ( talk) 00:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Bravo. Tan | 39 00:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
The office of the Pergrine Fund is not open yet and so though I requested that some one of my uninformed critics check on whether my fathers work with Peregrines was one important to the field it was deleted out from a position of ignorance. The Caribbean has the population size of Britain. One of my critics a Hawaiiian living in Japan said that CFCS has no importance. To him maybe but who would I be to try and dictate what is notable in Hawaii or Japan. Wikipedia gives an initial appearance that it is a means to share knowledge among people who have it and instead it is a paradise for cyberbullies. RichardBond ( talk) 13:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC) It looks like I should have mentioned his Bernice Piauhi Bishop Fellowship classifying Hawaiian seashells for the American Museum of Natural History. RichardBond ( talk) 13:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC).
The Minister of Agriculture in Costa Rica will probably recognize Caribbean Food Crop Society. RichardBond ( talk) 16:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there a page on say Baden-Powell if so why he was merely the founder of an organization or Justin Morgan originator of a livestock breed. One of the detractors said CFCS was not notable. There is an obvious subjective value judgement involved. RichardBond ( talk) 16:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
My new article Coffee production in Costa Rica. Do you reckon I should start a world coffee production series? I of course owned a global coffee company in Austin Powers 2 which allowed me to have my "Belgian dip"
Something like
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Well if you do end up developing huggle,which i see no reason that you wouldnt, ill try to make your life easier by having a list of stuff that needs to be fixed / changed in the next version. Ill look after the feedback page, archive the stuff and find out what needs changing e.t.c the add it to the list. I hope you accept ^^ ·Add§hore· Talk/ Cont 01:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
How goes this? (I can't wait!) (and good luck with Huggle!) giggy ( :O) 09:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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Now that you're the new incarnation of Gurch, do you want me to carry on doing what I did with him and notifying you of problems/issues that come up with it? (For reasons that are too boring to go into, and much against my wishes, my talkpage seems to have evolved into the Huggle Complaints Department – search my last couple of talk archives for the word "huggle" and you'll see what I mean.) I'm more than happy to continue passing problems on as they come up, but equally I'm more than happy to leave you to it. (Although, please don't give in to the permanent calls to remove "using Huggle" from the edit summary!) – iride scent 17:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi any idea when you could start generating lists in the mainspace? If we are going to include all of the settlements you listsed in the directory at least in the lists do you think it would be best to resume uploading more again to the directory. The sooner we get all of the places into the tabled lists, the sooner we can seek out sources and use the bot to generate new content where sources are adequate. I'm just concerned that we haven't really gone places in over a month. There is such a huge amount to do I really think the sooner we start putting things into action the better. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
We've got 25 people on board with the project but first of all we need to create lists. We don't need tons of volunteers to do the lists. We just use the coordinates /province/district info as before and generate them into the mainspace in lists. Ideally I wanted the bot to create 2 million new starter articles like Reva, Mozambique so I could concentrate on expanding them ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC) I say we carry on as before with Afghanistan but instead of creating seperate articles we transfer it into new lists ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll try to get to work on creating a list for one of the Afghan provinces manually. Once this is done you;ll see little manual labor is needed and the bot should be able to transfer the data from the directory straight into the tabled lists with coordinates. Before we start on each country we'll need to check which ones (and consult with the wikiprojects if relevant) could have a seperae article but creating basic lists of places should be done anyway as groundwork. To generate the lists we don't need anything more than the NGIA data. It is only if there is enough sources for a seperate article we will create a seperate article. I would suggest we lay out the tables first. It was only agreed at the village pump not to create two million seperate stubs using the basic data, few would object to merging the ones where more sources can't be compiled into full lists. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Somewhat agree ith blodfeld. We should create the lists first (in the Wikipedia Space) and if we find a government source, scrap the Maplandia/Fallingrain/NGIA lists and only use those sources for coord, elevation etc. I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 18:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
It was decided at the village pump not to create two million seperate stubs. Many of those who opposed were perfectly happy to see a lists of places containing the same information providing we don't have two million perma stubs. Then for the places where we can find adequate sources to generate fuller articles we create seperate articles. At the end of it, we end up with the encyclopedia recognizing every place from NGIA and maplandia, but we only use the bot to create seperate articles where further sources can be obtained beyond these sources as agreed per village pump. Being highly cautious, do you think it should be necessary to propose the lists at the village pump again??? It was clearly agreed that the bot would not create two million stubs on articles but nobody objected to creating structured lists dpeending on how much is avialable. We stick to the agreement 100% in that we only generate new seperate articles if we can obtain further sources than these. 95% of those who strongly opposed before were those who didn't want to see 2 million sub stubs. A comprehensive list by province of each country would surely be excellent groundwork for any encyclopedia. Everybody at the project discussion thinks this would be th best way to start too. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly. Nobody is going to be doing anything contrary to that discussion anyway. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC) We start on Afghanistan. We consult WP:Afghanistan -see if anybody has any sources. We generate full lists by province anyway with coordinates and the basics into lists from the directory into the mainspace. This process should be repeated for each country. I think we should create a full world list anyway for comprehensive purposes and then make the decision which articles can be started independly in their own right through project consultation and research. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Approved, well at least by me. The consensus part is done is my main point. Consensus to use the bot when approved. The lists come before the bot. So, yeah.
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Yes occasionally it has been shown to not e correct. This is where I'd suggest that we check other sites to try to affirm what the current province situation is. Usually there is a main government site which will show what the official provinces are currently. If maplandia doesn't equate then for that particularly vcountry we don't mention province (e.g Azerbaijan, Armenia etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, how about we start with Burkina Faso. We have a government source for the population, departments, provinces, and regions--we just ned to use maplandia for the coordinates. If Maplandia contradicts the government source, then we simply skip that town, at least for the moment. I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 21:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Something like this. I'd rather have a small pin map and a column for reference but if we could generate a full gazetteer like this for each country this would be an important first step. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Place name | Official name | District | Description | Altitude | Nearest settlements | Map/coordinates |
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Ab Gach | Āb Gach | Bald District | It is on the left bank of the Ab-i-Wakhan about a mile upstream of the meeting of that river and the Amu Darya. | 450m | About ten miles southwest of Kala Panja | 36°59′N 72°42′E / 36.983°N 72.700°E |
Amurn | Āmūrn | Located on the M41 motoway which connects it with Tajikistan near the border | ||||
Andowj | Andowj | |||||
Anjoman | Anjoman | |||||
Arakht | Arakht | |||||
Arghandakan | Arghandakān | |||||
Artin Jelow | Ārtīn Jelow | |||||
Arun | Ārūn | |||||
Ashkasham | Ashkāsham | |||||
Ashnam | Āshnām | |||||
Baharak | Bahārak |
Hello! I just wanted to say that I appreciate your input in the G1/G3 discussion on the other talk page. Be well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 14:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm glad that you have a GA in your resumé, if that's what you meant by the article going beyond GA. Anyways, for the future, if there's a particular article you'd like for me to review, just hit me up. ;) --
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Hi Fritzpoll. I noticed you had a list of "240+ Cape Verde google map locations" here. Can you give me that list so I can start mapping them to the table I compiled in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cape Verde/FritzpollBot? Thanks, Waldir talk 23:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi I just thought I’d thank you for the removal of the speedy deletion tag request by an unsigned editor 93.107.128.92 for the origins of the European Harp in Europe page. I have researched this article well and have cited academic references throughout and despite 38 references in the Irish section alone, the unsigned editor has placed a dubious tag and has requested the whole page be deleted for pov violation. I feel that this view is unjust and I have merely cited the views of academia and all of my sources are backed up by recent Irish centric and empirical publications.
Most of these sources range from 2000 – 2005 and the lyre prodonminates in Irish carvings rather than a triangular harp within an Irish context is nothing new as cited by one of the great celtic harp historians Roslyn Rensch (1989) and has been even commented Edward Bunting (2000) originally published in 1843. I feel this editor cannot find a valid source to back up his accusations of pov and wishes to remove the page which is backed up by refrences. Also studies from Edward Bunting 1843, JASTOR Grey University of Michigan 1956, Kenneth Mathieson 2001 and Daibhi OCoinin in a New History of Ireland, prehistoric and early history (2005) conclude the triangular harp was not evident in Irekland till the Anglo-Norman invasion.
How can I get the article peer reviewed as far as I have seen the majority of studies cite the lyre and not the harp as the Irish instrument of choice before the anglo-norman invasion? I have even had random acts of vandalism on the page [ [6]] where another unsigned editor 78.19.156.62 changing researched sources to a gaelic pov totally taking the cited sourse out of context. Can you help? Cheers Celtic Harper ( talk) 11:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bearforce 1. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- lifebaka ( Talk - Contribs) 19:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been manually removing US flags from a lot of BLPs because of this. Couldn't a bot be designed to search for use of the flag in BLPs or something? I figure it's a simple task, and it'd save me time. Enigma message 17:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Writing this on a mobile-so forgive the brevity! Will get a net connection once i get a phone line next week, so give of a fortnight to get back. Thanks to keep for the message above, and happy july 4th. Congrats to gwyn. Blofeld, I'll be back doing the bot as soon as i can. I vote to restore the page above at deletion review. Can't edit it due to an ip block. See you all soon. Fritzpoll
As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway! :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 04:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
You might consider following the lead of Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates and use {{ coord}}. -- SEWilco ( talk) 04:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Would you mind dropping a note on WP:GEO about this WP:GEOBOT project? There's a topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Maplinks and FritzpollBot. -- Para ( talk) 15:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. You;re in luck I've just logged in!!! Hope the house moving is going great, I did discuss it with User:MJCDetroit about having the maps in the tables. Personally I'm thinking that if we have a list of several hundred places a pushpin map would bloat it. I'm thinking we just have the global wiki map in the final column ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Place name | Official name | District | Description | Altitude | Map/coordinates |
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Ab Gach | Āb Gach | Bald District | It is on the left bank of the Ab-i-Wakhan about a mile upstream of the meeting of that river and the Amu Darya. | 450m | |
Amurn | Āmūrn | Located on the M41 motoway which connects it with Tajikistan near the border | |||
Andowj | Andowj | ||||
Anjoman | Anjoman | ||||
Arakht | Arakht | ||||
Arghandakan | Arghandakān | ||||
Artin Jelow | Ārtīn Jelow | ||||
Arun | Ārūn | ||||
Ashkasham | Ashkāsham | ||||
Ashnam | Āshnām | ||||
Baharak | Bahārak |
I'm thinking something like this but we'd need to sort out column structure to make editing it easier.
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦
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I'm uncertain about a few of the columns, nearest settlements and altitude are listed on falling rain but that site concerns me. I'd be interested to hear your ideas!! The description column would probably be left empty to start with. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes. I think they should be generated like the seperate articles were before but in the tables. Then they can be researched and once the "decription" becomes full they then qualify for a seperate article. The best thing initially will be to lay down the groundwork e.g the name, native name, possibly altitude, and coordinates or province/district. What I'd propose we do is do a quick googe search initially before creating each country list to see what kind of info is available. With Afghanistan we know there is little out there on the web (yet) so we start them in a list without a description. If however the country has enough details for seperate articles, we create the lists anyway (for comprehensive purposes) but add basic details (such as population if possible) and generate new articles.
I'm thinking it might be good to create a population column, and leave it empty until population figures become avialable. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. We must be connected telepathically as I haven't thought about it for days and now today I've been thinking about it again!!! I've just been adding a few Bangladesh places to add some to the empty categories as I don't want them to be deleted. I would love to start with Afghanistan and continue as before but create lists. Look forward to starting! Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritz. I would be happy to see the format as above as I've just adjusted. The nearest settlements column would look a bit cluttered so I've removed it, anyway apart of that can go in thee description. I know I said before about the maps bloating the tables, but I believe if we are to emulate having seperate articles this would be best. I'll see if I can get the map sizes reduced by 100px or so. Done!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It never ceases to amaze me how many people watch Keeper's page! I appreciate how quickly you dealt with the request, and I won't misuse the tool. Thanks, S. Dean Jameson 15:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
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Fritzpoll, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 ( talk) 04:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC) |
I see no need to second guess you. Thanks. -- Blechnic ( talk) 16:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
....ahem... goat .... I dont even want to say. Clicked on the screen then immediately option-Qd my browser. Gwynand | Talk• Contribs 00:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Please keep in contact with me and let me know when we can start. You can send me messages too!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
For the +Rollbacker. I promise you will not regret granting me this privilege. :-) -- Hfarmer ( talk) 02:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
OK. My request didn't demonstrate knowledge of when to use the tool. I should have also mentioned that while I am looking for advertising, I frequently revert obvious vandalism and the tool would be handy. When can I apply again? -- Carbonrodney ( talk) 12:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
[7] :) Enigma message 22:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I attained perfection yesterday.... Not that big of a deal, especially since Antandrus was big about it. -- Blechnic ( talk) 22:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi - you tagged this article as a recreation of material deleted via a deletion discussion ( WP:CSD#G4. This was actually inappropriate for this page, as the article had only been speedy deleted in the past, and G4 is for cases where an AfD discussion has taken place. I have, however, deleted it under the more appropriate A7 (group) criterion, so this is an educational notice. Feel free to ask me any questions Fritzpoll ( talk) 22:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I've replied on my talkpage (I tend to keep discussions together, that's all). Many thanks! Gazimoff Write Read 15:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So I can't use huggle? ~~Sealim~~ ( talk) Reply at MY talk page —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Ok! Thanks ! ~~Sealim~~ ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, I've cleaned up the article a bit; nice job finding sources. As Xeno mentioned, removal of content without an explanation is vandalism, so don't worry about 3RR. Does the article look okay to you? Glass Cobra 22:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I requested the speedy deletion of a category I created Category:House of Montagu, but you declined because it was not unpopulated as my request suggested. I wanted to have it deleted because a Category:Montagu family category already existed, which made my category totally superfluous. Which deletion template should I have used? Regards, FusionWarrior ( talk) 11:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Please see my response here. Kaldari ( talk) 23:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I've replied on my talk page. Hope you are well ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking forward to the bot. As I said I won't be creating too many en masse in future if we can compile lists instead. Just trying to fill in some gaps on districts which are several thousands km in area but didn't have ANY articles whatsoever. I still think they can be expanded if somebody researched them properly. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes an AFD in which I wasn't evne notified about. SHouldn't it by customary to at least notify the article creator it is up for the nuke? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I added most of the places in Bhutan the other day many with population figures and they are not all stubs. Some of them like Paro, Bhutan, Gedu, Deothang etc are much better than if we didn't have them. I do a lot more than create sub stubs on here. I'm sure you are aware of this. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I know I just find it bugs me when people think all I do is create worthless stubs. This is why the BOT will be such a valuable prospect because it will allow us to work more on quality rather than trying to tackle the almost single handedly. I hope Kaldari is aware that this why I sought for a bot and a new project to undertake this
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦
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How is the new dwelling anyway? Happy? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I remember my parents telling me they sat on deck chairs for weeks!!! My sister on the other hand had everything immediately. Shes off travelling around SOuth America at present. She visiting the Iguacu Falls today. Yes my hay fever was only bad for a week or two, perhaps it was helped by the not so good weather. I've been sneezing a bit yesterday and today but nothing Baldy can't handle. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
WHats the plan then for Afghanistan?. Do mean create lists or create seperate articles with new info ? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Tomorrow then? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, tomorrow - need to buy a desk for my computer! Fritzpoll ( talk) 12:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC) Go the IKEA. Thats where I got mine. Cheap but it is quality and solid. LOL I've just been reading that in Shintoism many of the cars are blessed as they are manufactured. I thought that was rathing amusing given that the Japanese seem obsessed with automobiles and business ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for granting me rollback permission. I'll use it wisely as advised. - House of Scandal ( talk) 17:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought it was not different to installing Twinkle. The only reason I asked for Rollback again is because Vandal Fighter is crashing my laptop constantly, which actually makes it hard to "gain more experience with reverting vandalism". But, it's cool. I'll try again next month, I guess. Hamako 17:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Haven't forgot about this Fritz, wanted to offer quick thoughts. The problem (or lack thereof) of Beer is that its generally written well (so not much in terms of obvious copy editing) and finding quick internet sources to verify some of the facts has proven tougher. Of course... I'd actually love to start getting into non-internet sourcing, but that isn't as readily available, so I haven't done it yet. To sum up... Beer is a large project that I'd prefer to work into later.
...on the other hand, Jack Daniel's has a lot of potential to become a good article and potentially a featured article, and for some reason I think I'd feel more comfortable starting there. It's more specific so it'd be easier to research, plus I'd imagine there is ample reliable sourcing for it. Of course, I'm just posting here to keep you informed, and advising that I'd likely need help from here to there so hopefully you won't mind watch listing that article. Thanks. Gwynand | Talk• Contribs 19:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
G'Day Fritzpoll,
My previous paragraph has been archived. I am requesting rollback here, to help quickly revert vandalism... this is an example of vandalism where rollback would be acceptable (but as it was a single edit not necessary) and same here
Cheers,
No probs. :) Sorry about that, blame the software. :D At least we said the same thing! Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
for you naerii 20:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi there is an IP address probably from India which is wreaking havoc with some of the Bollywood articles. See his contributions. He persistently keeps adding POV to an article or glorifying an actor or film further than they or it actually is. It is a major nuisance for the editors on here who work on Indian cinema articles to have to keep reverting him day in day out just to maintain some sense of article neutrality. He has been warned many times. Could you please warn him and try to make him aware of wikipedias neutrality and why his edits which are intent on putting POV or glorifying the subject of the article unnecesarily may be construed as agains tpolicy and therfore vandalism. Its doing my nut it keeoing track of him. User:Shshshsh (Shahid) raise my awarenss of it initially and other editors such as totalfilmi99 have to keep reverting him e.g here. Should he be blocked do you think? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is it admin are never here when you need them most!!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As a member of WP:GEOGRAPHY, I would appreciate your views on the discussion I've started at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(Geographic_locations)#Using_an_Atlas_as_a_source_for_notability Thanks AndrewRT( Talk) 13:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I've been thinking carefully over how to approach this, partly because I respect your opinion and trust your judgement, but also because I have to play by the rules. To come to the point, I've been strongly encouraged to request the tools in order to further help and support the project. As a result, I owe it to you out of common courtesy to let you know, as the last thing I wanted was for it to be a surprise to you. I would also ask that whatever happens, if you'll be happy to continue our mentoring agreement in the future. You've done more than you know for me, and I hope to be able to learn more from you whatever the future holds. Respectfully with thanks, Gazi moff( mentor/ review) 11:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
What time do you plan on beginning. Probably this evening when you get home? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought you would have been out enjoying the sun today, thats where I've been. My shoulders are burning a little from the sun. It was quite intense this afternoon. Probably the same in Bristol ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey I made some templates for El Salvador at Wikipedia:WikiProject El Salvador/Department templates. El Salvador has to be one of the poorest covered countries on here. At least we now have the municipalities connected ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Gurch - when you first left, I offered to take over the maintenance of Huggle when the issue was raised at one of the noticeboards. I then promptly lost access to my dev machine for a bit, and now have the access back. But I'm not sure if you're back or not, so can you give me a ping so that I know if I should start work on the bugs or not. Cheers Fritzpoll ( talk) 15:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi yes people seemed to be away!! I asked many people and couldn't get hold of anyone who was online!! Its odd that everybody seems to have returned at once!! Thanks for your note on adminship, at times I really need more tools to do things more efficiently but there will be too many editors who will try to make me look like a bad editor. They'll hound me for my lack of consistency with edit summaries for a start you name it, depsite the fact I am undertaking an enormous task of template/category structuing where edit summaries every time are an extra burden when I'm trying to perform the task as quickly as possible. I try to do things quickly and focus my mind on the task I often forget to leave a summart. Perhaps I should set my preferences to prompt so I get a "100%" edit summary ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
In my time here, I don't believe I've ever been accused of incivility. Can anything be done to stop OR's dragging my name through the mud with these accusations? S. Dean Jameson 21:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Could you watchlist Dan Crow (computer scientist) and Blurb.com? I've been dealing with a banned editor "JP" (who was allowed to vanish and had her WP:CSN banning thread blanked). More eyes may help. Jehochman Talk 08:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello you! long time no speak :-) just thought I would pop along and ask what we should all do to task force together and continue witht the clean up, get articles to "Good" status? hope all is well your end. Many thanks, δ²( Talk) 13:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Why did you nominate my Greg Roberts (musician) for speedy deletion? He was the drummer with Big Audio Dynamite and Dreadzone and a sessionman. ®∂бЯέЩ§τЄґ ♪ ♫ ♪ 18:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Fritz I am beginning to doubt that the bot will ever run. It has been at least two months since we had the village pump discussion. If you are no longer interested or don't ever intend to run it I would rather you were completely honest with me. It is a week since you announced on the project page that you would begin compiling a list with it. Theres no pressure but I'd rather if you make an announcement that within reason I can expect some sort of follow up. I certainly hope it can be done in a relaxed way and in our time but I am also keen that we begin to make some sort of progression with it. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh I didn't see that! You replied to it on a totally different subject where I didn't even mention the bot!!!! Just let me know when you have sorted out that coding!! I'm not concerned about how fast we get things done, but rather that we somehow make a start and make a gradual progression after the long discussion that went into it thats all. Take care ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten about our mini-project. Had a minor family crisis this week, combine that with an increased interest in my actual job (I have no idea on this one) and baby Gwynand taking up more of my waking and sleeping hours, my contributing time is lessening. I admit, in retrospect, that the failed RfA for some reason deflated a lot of my initiative, something I always thought it shouldnt do. Anyways, I'm certainly not going anywhere, although August will be a busy RL month for me, in case I look to be drifting away. Thanks. Gwynand | Talk• Contribs 18:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool. It might be a good idea if you branched out into a seperate article on that because I'm sure a great deal could be written about it and to me I find it an interesting read. However in the main article obviously you don't want a huge section compared to the rest of the article but I just wondered whether in the cutting porcess you left anything of note out. Would you object if I moved the original 30kb section to a seperate article? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Your're quite right. I just checked what was there before. There really was a lot of babble -many of the sections were unnecessarily long and might I say you've done a mighty fine job of condensing and rewriting it and sticking to the main points. If it was to branch out further then it would indeed be best to do it with references and in a planned and coordinated fashion. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes something along the lines of Conspiracy theories of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Such an article would need a lot of referencing and WP:Neutral view though which isn't easy. Potentially it could be written as a full article I'm sure and provide a further insight to the subject that is summarised in the main article on it. It would be interesting to read some of the government reports and newspapers of the time as research ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, I was wondering if you had any recollection what source was used to generate these lists. I've been trying to go through and add sources and info to some of the stubs that Blofeld created using those lists. At first I thought the lists were generated from GeoNames, but your lists have the districts and divisions that each village belongs to, while GeoNames doesn't. For most of these village stubs I haven't been able to find any sources stating what administrative divisions they belong to, so any pointers on where you got the info originally would be helpful. In fact, it would probably be a good idea for you to list information about sources on any such lists that you generate. Thanks! Kaldari ( talk) 20:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I deleted and warned the user (or am in the process of the latter) for the comment about "power trip"ping. -- Blechnic ( talk) 23:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I have mentioned you, in a good way. Jehochman Talk 23:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
You've done fine work these last few days, wading through the whole WW/Blechnic/OR mess. If I gave barnstars (which this mess has convinced me not to--another story for another time) you would have one right now. S. Dean Jameson 00:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow are you really only 23. I'm 25. I thought you were in your thirties ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not resolved until her edit to DYK is reverted or removed. She had plenty of warning about the impending community ban, and she chose to ignore it. An official warning of the ban is in order, but this is not an excuse for allowing her to violate the ban. Please remove or have someone else remove her edit from DYK, whatever the official procedure is for dealing with banned users violating bans. -- Blechnic ( talk) 00:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, nothing happened when Blechnic reverted her nomination. He had the right to do that, as did any editor, as you correctly noted. There is a topic ban in place. However, this did not address the content issue. When I came across that nomination and reversion, I looked at the article. It seemed fine. So I restored the nomination. User:Gatoclass seems to have interpreted this as a challenge to the ban, which it was not, and, without discussion, reverted my restoration. I discussed it with him a bit, but because of the time issue, the soon-expiring deadline for consideration of the article for DYK, and because I think his issue may have been with the manner of my restoration (I originally restored it as it was originally, verbatim, with WW's signature, and then added my own as endorsing it), I renominated without mentioning WW. I also changed the DYK text a little to make it tighter. It's my nomination now, not hers. But it is still her article, she created it, and others, including myself, merely edited it a little. Blechnic may have overlooked that a topic ban on nominations at DYK has no effect on the user's ability to create articles, which is her main goal, one which she seems to be doing rather well, what with 28 successful DYK articles. She doesn't want to go through the wikidrama, it seems, of trying to rescind the ban, and I don't blame her. I appreciate what you have done, and I will do what I can to reconcile her to you, for I see you as far more of a supporter than otherwise. It is my understanding that, if subsequent developments seem to justify it, you can unilaterally determine that the ban has served whatever legitimate purpose it had, and you may lift it. I've suggested that if people want the ban lifted, they could talk with you or discuss it in the most obvious place, Wikipedia talk:Did you know, which is where this whole matter should have been kept in the first place, until there was a need for tools. At least the matter of a topic ban. Blechnic has charged WW with all kinds of offenses that were really irrelevant. (Whether or not WW made an uncivil edit summary has no bearing on whether or not a DYK nomination should be promoted.)-- Abd ( talk) 17:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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I can see that you are having to deal with the same questions over and over; you might want to consider creating a User:FritzpollBot/FAQ page to address this. -- The Anome ( talk) 13:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I've written a blog post about it too. If you can write up some sort of focused FAQ page about the programme that we can link to, I want to get a mention of it into the Wikimedia blog as well (since the world will notice the article count inflating) - David Gerard ( talk) 16:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Mmm I'm staying away from the village pump from now on and adding a village pump where it is actually needed in parts of Bangladesh! I;ve stated the case and 55 people have strongly supported it. Obviously we can't win them all, but we don't have to as it will be going ahead anyway. We will work out how to cover the world in the best way possible. I do hope we can get some more data though for everywhere to shut up the people who keep talking about one liners. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I am curious about your choice of {{
Infobox Settlement}} vs {{
Geobox}}. I'm not closely involved with the issue, but I thought there was a "movement" towards consistently using geobox
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No, if there are any doubts ask User:MJCdetroit. There snothing wrong with them except that some of the empty paramters need rmeoving. As for remaining one liners for ever. Kushgag has been expanded already and once real information becomes avilable why isn't this a useful edition 16:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC) ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000?
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, etc.), and I think now is the ideal time to create a de facto standard for Wikipedia. —
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16:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)I feel this edit can be programmed into the bot. It reads the nearest towns and cities from Fallingrain. Plus the altitude I spoke about at BRFA. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 16:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Nearest towns always seems to be reliable, the problem is sometimes altitude is unreliable. I'm not saying that they are all unreliable, but for altitude on numerous occasions it has proved wrong. Such a shame as I also want to include as much info as possible ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I have several questions about your bot before voting. Sorry for not asking on the village pump page but I found it quite messy. Hope it is not a problem.
Thank you very much for responding and happy editing. - Darwinek ( talk) 17:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Fallingrain will not be used for any part of this project unless its reliability improves demonstrably. Best wishes Fritzpoll ( talk) 17:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Amurn, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amurn. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice?
Gentlemen, I recognize and appreciate your hard work on the geographical bot. Because it is clear the community does not have consensus on its current implementation, I have created a "devil's advocate" AFD procedural nomination for Amurn on behalf of several who have expressed nonnotability concerns. I believe it is appropriate for the community to discuss whether the two million towns are notable if no editor has taken a certain minimum effort to create them (the bot neatly opens the effort criterion for discussion because it makes article creation possible with a greatly decreased average effort). I think the project will have much better consensus after a bit more preparation before implementation, preferably consultation with population tables and most articles being created at the district level rather than the town level. I do not expect to take further part in the discussion. JJB 17:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
This is nasty stuff isn't it. What was the point in doing that. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I've done my best to explain that the process will involve working wikipojects and editors in native languages for many countries to try to ensure it is done as best and efficiently as possible, but STILL people are turning up and saying that they disapprove of "unreferenced stubs with unreliable information. Yawn yawn. ANother thing is perhaps somebody could clearly state that two million articles are likely to be added over 1 year and a hald and gradually in blocks rather than a sudden flood ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I just thought I should let you know ahead of time Radio Wikipedia will be running a short (65s) segment covering the current ongoing VPP debate. You can preview the segment here: Image:RADWP-Fritzpollbot.ogg. xenocidic ( talk) 19:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow. I bet your're hiding in a corner wishing all the attention would cease and things to go back to normal huh? Me too this was completely unexpected today. But please don;t give up; an incredible 80 people strongly support us, I'm sure things will work out, I may stay away from the wiki for a while as the comments by some people are kind of demoralising. I hope we are still appreciated. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Wise, Very wise indeed. Somebody has even claimed that I couldn't give a damn about developing wikipedia for everybody which is almost like saying Blofeld has hair down to his feet. I'm shocked at how some people have responded as if we are about to bring down the demise to wikipedia rather than actually planting seeds for major growth (which is attainable in the long run). Still over 80 people support but the willlingness of people to jump in as if its a poll is ridiculous. I'm tried to dress peoples concerns and provide a reason but I end up looking like a terrible person by them by not being happy jus tto sit back and watch them discuss somwthing and attack something they clearly know little about. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
If we could somehow obtain more information for each place automaticaly it would solve a lot of concerns I think ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, I've been investigating how this project might work itself out for Cambodia. From a first glance, it does not seem like this will be an easy task (bot or no). Cambodia actually has an amazing amount of statistical data online, which is good. For 99% of the country's villages, it has population, # of men, # of women, and # of households. Considering that most of the villages seem to be in the 200-800 range or so, this is quite detailed for a developing country. Using data from
http://www.stats.nis.gov.kh/CENSUSES/villagegaz/p01.pdf and the list of coordinates, I managed to flesh out the article on
Kouk Romiet commune. The datadump page had coordinates for villages with populations of 1,452, 1,660, and 1,127, but no coordingates for villages with populations of 778, 203, 339, 143, 459, 112, 196, 219, 329, 190, 1,039, 3,902, 240, 458, and 348. It also had coordinates for one of two villages without census data. Some of the names in the datadump sheet were variants of the names on .kh government sites, which is to be expected considering that Khmer can be transliterated so many different ways. Also, I am kind of confused by the naming of the naming of the villages in the datadump page, or whether the NGIS is including things beside villages (administrative divisions? other features?). Most of the names in the datadump page are preceded by "Phumi", which I am pretty sure means "village" (we have
phum discussed as meaning village, and the "phumi" entries often match up to non-"phumi" villages listed on government sites). which means village per khmerlanguage.com.
Mangostar (
talk) 02:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Anyways if we want to include more data besides just these coordinates it will be a slow slog to figure out how all the listed names correspond with the Khmer govt's transliterations, which are what we are using in WP currently (at least as a general rule).
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I would just like to say that I support the running of your bot, but only partially. I do not like the idea of the bot adding articles for villages with a population of, let's say, less than 100. If you were somehow about to get the bot to create stubs for all above 100 people, then I would be able to give you some unwavering support, but I still support you anyways. Cheers, Razor flame 22:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I should let you know an AN/I thread was just started about FritzpollBot: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal: create millions of improperly sourced article with MICROSOFT spam by bot. xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 23:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
While I love the idea of using a bot to create articles on real places with proper sourcing, the test cases created so far by User talk:Fritzpoll have improper sourcing and include a spam link to Microsoft. This is unacceptable. I tried noting it on an example and was reverted, so I am saying so here and at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. What would Microsoft pay for 4 million articles that say
*[http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx Search for ______ in the MSN Encarta atlas]
WAS 4.250 ( talk) 23:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Something else that I would want to know is the order in which the articles are created. Are you going by country in alphabetical order or something like that? I can't find that... Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 01:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Since we're data mining the US GNS data, we should use their variant names, where existant, and also use the NameID - unique for each name (incl. variants) for each feature, and you can use {{ GEOnet2}} passing the NameID as the first parameter and a link to the precise page for the feature's proper name, rather than a generalized link to the service itself. More precise and probably no more complex for your bot to be programmed that way. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 02:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Phew this has hit the big time hasn;t it. I look forward to seeing your new proposal. It may be a good idea to start Wikipedia:WikiProject GeoBot or something a get a big project together for large scale planning involving each of the respective wikiprojects, and also working at expanding some of those created by the bot. It will inevitably go ahead won't it? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Try looking at User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE/ArchiveMay2008. 328 kb in one month on my talk page! ♦Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 11:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
While consensus is good, setting up the village pump in that way was one of the worst things that could be done and it has put us under a lot of unnecessary pressure that we don't need. I'm sure we can work something out, whats frustrating is answering the same question over and over again. Perhaps a swim in the Bristol Channel for several days would sort it out ♦Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 11:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Thats an excellent proposal but you;ve made me look like the bad guy. "harrassing people when they disagree - discussion is fine, belittlement of opinions is not" is clearly an attack at me. I spent hours yesterday trying to explain that it wouldn't be operated in the way people showed. I didn't intentionally "belittle" peoples opinions other than those that showed absolutely no resemblance to the actual proposal. Many of the concerns were valid, particularly those on the fence to which I refrained from "harassing" Ernst Stavro Blofeld $1 million? 12:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
LOL I see. But one or two of the opposers labelled me as a badger yesterday so I wondered if you were referring to the bald badger. Believe me I would have rather not to see that straw poll. Perhaps you could add something to assert at the start of the proposal that maybe 2 million articles won't be created and that this number of permanent non notable sub stubs won't be created, which seemd to be the biggest problem before. If we assert thate ther emay be a lesser number, that are notable, and are more than one liners this would do a great deal I think Ernst Stavro Blofeld $1 million? 12:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I have recieved an email from the one of the operators of maplandia anyway who is more than happy (as you can imagine) for wikipedia to be connected with maplandia.
Hi James,
thanks a lot for your email and nice words about our website. Sorry for late answer, I am busy with my studies. I would be very happy for every link from wikipedia. Thank you for that. We have tried to include as much countries and regions as we could, so I am happy when this is useful for someone else. Please let me know if I can somehow help you.
Best regards, Martin Frohlich
Fritz, Frohlich?? German efficiency? Is Fritz your real name? Ernst Stavro Blofeld $1 million? 12:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Because you deserve them, for keeping your cool in a situation where a bunch of not too nice things have been said about your bot. Keep it up! -- Conti| ✉ 13:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question. Would the bot end up making disambiguation pages? That is, if there are a bunch of identical place names in an area, with slightly different article titles to disambiguate them, will the bot make a disambiguation page for them, or will this be left to human editors to (eventually) do? Or will human editors be doing it as part of the process? (As I understand it, the bot will be heavily assisted by editors) -- Xyzzyplugh ( talk) 09:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think the major problems you recently faced were at least in part due to the work being done by a small group of editors without consultation from any of the active groups already involved in the nations. For what it's worth, this might be a reasonable course of action.
I think allowing those individuals who are already involved in the topics to have a bit more active input in the discussion should be all that's required for it to function smoothly. Anyway, just an idea. John Carter ( talk) 13:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Well this is exactly how it should have been addressed initially. it would have saved a lot of trouble yesterday. There will still be people who will oppose because thats what they do but anybody who reads that should not react as they did before. Good move. Shortly before you showed me the initial proposal, I was going to propose that you establish anew wikirpoject to deal with this and take away specific messages targetted at you and towards the group to share the burden.
Well of course, the proposal is made at the WP:COuncil you don't just go ahead a create a whole wikiproject. ANy project has to have council approval first but in light of rthe discussion yesterday this wouls seem essential ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
This is the primary address of the census data table for municipalities. It can be rearranged to list them in any sort order, including alphabetical. Just above the table to the right, there's also an option to view a geographic index with a separate alphabetical list for each letter.
This is the page to use to search for an individual city or town's "profile" page, which presents its census data in more detail than the data table.
I've begun preparing a reference list, Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/Municipalities, of all Canadian municipalities that don't yet have articles, although it's not yet complete as I only started compiling it yesterday. It can be moved to any other title or reformatted if necessary.
I'll have some more resources for you later, but those are the big three that will be in use across the board. Bearcat ( talk) 14:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Fritz leaving a note like "if a significant number of people say "yes without reservations" we can move ahead faster, if a significant number say "no, it's just a bad idea," we can speedy-cancel it. Thats asking for trouble (many people don't want to move ahead). The opposers will relish it as they don't want change anyway. If a bot was adding these articles I could stop spending all my time on starting geo stubs and start spending more quality time in writing new articles like the 1972 Nicaragua earthquake like I did this afternoon and devleoping existing ones and geo stubs. People just aren't giving it a chance. The articles evne those on villages WILL be created eventually and to not approve something like this is madness as in years time we will mor elikely have more inconsistent articles and unreferenced work because the "community" wouldn't accept it is more efficient. It is a gross waste of time if they can't see that a bot gives editors a chance to concentrate on quality evne more so. Nobody has any problems with unleashing a bot thats does administriative tasks with spamming people tallk pages with countless image messages etc, so why should a controlled and regulated bot which is completely organized by humans that will add missing content be such an issue to developing what actually matter, the encyclopedia.
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Well I had hoped for a decent adult conversation (hey i don't mean dirrty talk lol) and discussion for planning the best solution, not a battle again. What is the point in repating the vote thing which creates aggression again? The village pump is not a good place for constructive planning. It is like a public market place plagued with shoppers and pick pockets and just shows what kind of a "community" wikipedia is. People will always disapprove of change and disruust others. Many people are complete opposites, its amazing how different peoples views can be. I would like to see how many of those on the fence could see any light with the new proposals -I greatly appreicate your efforts today to answer them. I appreciate consensus with important issues such as this but in my experience time is wasted unneccesarily in support and oppose issues when it should be discussed on the best course of action to improve something. I really think the straw poll should be removed and converstation moved to a place where it can be discussed rationally without the barriers that people keep putting up with straw polls which deflects people attention away from proper discussion. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
What might be a good idea is to start with a country which has a lot of data to be added. If we could start generating articles more resourceful and articles with clear valuable content people aremore likely to see it isn't so bad after all. IN a way it has to be proved that a]the articles can be constructed in an organized way and generatign encyclopedic content and b] we have to prove that the articles will be expanded ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I am also interested in using the Maplandia data to help the activities of User:The Anomebot2 in annotating existing articles without geodata. My pattern-matching code tries hard to resolve ambiguity wherever possible, but it cannot correctly resolve cases where more than place of the same name exists in the same country. Maplandia's hierarchical information would be invaluable for this: if Maplandia can yield a rough disambiguation to approximate coordinates, I can then cross-reference the data with the GNS data for confirmation. Is it available as a dump? -- The Anome ( talk) 18:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
If we are to make 1000 a cut off point, the best thing we can do I think is to create lists of the other places (or all places) places by district/province in the mainspace and have information in tables and the wiki min atlases globes in the tables and create redirects. At least this way the wikipedia would recognize every place but would be contained in a table until more info could be found to start them. At least the tables then would convey some info on them until there is enough to create full article. I know its a little like winning bronze but at least wikipedia would recognize 2 million places and have some sort of reference on their locations or basic statistics. Kind of like List of United Kingdom locations: Aa-Ak for every country and chuck in opulation data or whatever to the tables where possible. Just a thought ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities would likely be a good centralized place to recruit volunteers to deal with the FritzpollBot articles. This is a brilliant idea, and there's no doubt in my mind that it will be approved. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 00:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Thought you might enjoy this whiskey (if not, you at least deserve it). Keep up the good work. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cape Verde/FritzpollBot and let us know if that format is ok or not and what else can we do to help prepare the data for parsing by the bot. Thanks, Waldir talk 02:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey Fritzpoll, after checking out the proposal for your bot, I came across your userpage and I couldn't help but notice that you added {{User FixMyPage}}
on it. I could try to help you out on your page if you would like me to, but I would need to know specifically what you would like done (grouping userboxes, organizing awards, using html, etc.). Feel free to "drop me a line" (borrowed that quote from some user whom I've forgoten about).--
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I have sent a message to the wikiprojects in relation to Azerbaijan, Bangladesh (including WP:Bengal), Cambodia, Cyprus (also WP:Greece), East Timor & Hong Kong. I sent it to these wikiprojects and not the others as the other countries have their dabbing completed/checked. I will send a message to them to have a look/assist/support us in any way possible if you want? (I just figured the dabbing part of the project needs to be organized for those countries first). Cheers! Calaka ( talk) 05:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
World gazetteer lists -these list the population of the main cities and towns by country, For sure we'll have many of them and they are detailed enough, but for many countries even some of the main places will be missing. But apparently an official census hasn't been done since 1979 in Afghnsistan ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Azerbaijan etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
World cities and towns ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Well its partly for political reasons. With those MSN Encarta links I'm not going to go through 1000 articles and remove them. A bot (not meaning yours) could easily do that if people are going to fuss about it. Also you sia dabout cleaning up what we've got. There are about 25,000 French commune stubs without infoboxes (which can be copied directly from french wikipedia and inserted in the articles. It is just a cut and paste job and I;ve got a back log of about 25,000 articles to go through manually ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Mmm I understand, but you may have to wait a long long time before everybody approves. There is never likely to be any real agreement on what should be done on wikiepdia however much people discuss something. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You have an email address? I have something to say that I;d rather not say in plain view on here ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I know that but despite having my email address written in and before I could email people, now I can't as it always comes uo with a message that I should be logged in. I haven;t been able to email anybody from wikipedia for months. I think it needs reconfirming. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC) Well send shortly ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
"You got mail" ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes I agree totally and think that would be the best to start with. Ironic isn't it that I share the same name as my nemesis. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
That was my granddad's name. "Fred Anderson". Tough guy from London born in 1900, died 1993. Was a gym instructor in the Royal Navy, boxer, martial artist, swimmer and gymnast. Disciplined, I think woudll summarize him!! I rmeember him showing me how to do pressups when he was 90! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC).
Perhaps you could add an extra proposal that the bot could be used to clean up existing articles first by adding an infobox or details of something before eahc country is started. If you could prove that the bot could make existing articles consistent and generate new content it would likely gain more support ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Fritz half the people opposing are not even reading what it entails. Reasons for opposing have often been given as "there is no such thing as inherent notability". Does it not state that articles will be selected for notability first by human editors? Whatever you propose people don't seem to read it properly. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
More evidence even from the biggest speaker on the page "We can never achieve good encyclopedic content from a fully mechanical process. The bot should be used to make our work easier, not to replace it entirely". What in Frank butcher's name does he think it is??? How many frankin times have we said that we write the articles to make it easier to develop "not replace it entirely", does he think we plan a future of wikipedia where humans are banned from writing wikipedia and it is run by a bunch of mad robots. Groan groan ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The FritzpollBot discussion is a total mess. I can't make heads or tails of it. Can you please put some sort of explanation as to what FritzpollBot actually does (or is proposed to do) on the discussion page. Right now, it seems to assume that you have already read the previous volume of discussion. Thanks! Kaldari ( talk) 19:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
. Nothing to say. I need a cigarette. (I quit cold over a year ago).... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
OK I've requested a Template:Location map American Samoa using Image:American Samoa-CIA WFB Map.png so fingers crossed. Are you here today? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Well I understand how you must be fed up with it but I've just set up a new section to the page for editors interested in joining it. If we could show a team can be trusted to mnonitor and coordinate the bot this would help the cause. I'd rather not have to answer every question though, perhaps it could be shared between several of us. It might do you good to have a few days away (but please don't leave us!!). ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Well we now have 85 supports including with reservations. 100 people strongly supported before. Anything which equates to 100 supports on wikipedia is a major thing as it is always recorded the number of times people voted over 100 etc. When you return it is high time we set up the project to deal with it and start on the huge task at hand. It is very clear that the vast majority support this plus having the green light to use the bot we now need to discuss in the new wikirpoject space the best way to implement it. Take a few days break and when you return we'll put the plan into action. Consensus is clear we now need to set up the necessary infrastructure to organize starting each country and gaining new project membership. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I fail to understand the proffered justification for the archiving of the original, and the proposal of a "refined" proposal.
As can be seen from both the "archived" proposal and the discussion on it, the proposal had huge support.
The present proposal is terribly cumbersome; I gave up reading through it and don't plan to support it though I supported the initial one. Though continuing discussion is always fine, and revised proposals should be proffered if the initial one does not have wide support, I think it is ridiculous that the whole proposal was archived in this particular case. And that yet further proposals, discussion, and straw polls are needed all over again, as if starting from zero.
A strong majority of people agreed that the initial proposal would have been a fantastic addition to Wikipedia. I propose ditching the current discussion and going with it. Dovi ( talk) 13:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a mention your bot has been talked about in issue 5 of Radio Wikipedia. StewieGriffin! • Talk 20:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, 'fritzpoll' for fixing my (almost certain to fail) RfA. I have a question, by the way. Why is it that when I click edit page I get a box asking to download the php file, but it works when i manually add &internaledit=true to the URL? Any way to fix it? (It's bloody annoying). Please reply soon!!!
Ok, how 'bout this! Why are you ruining wikipedia! Why do you want to double this place in size? 2 million articles?? You are bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad!!!!!! Need more Whiskey yet? :-/ Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, there was only a logo, with a slogan and everything on. It should be deleted anyway! I don't know if I have told you this but issue 5 of Radio Wikipedia, had a story on your bot. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 21:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say don't let the discussions get you down. Although I can understand the hesitation by some to add more stubs, to me stubs are better than no article at all. I think its a great idea and a great place to start. Others do to, check Jimbo's talk page for example. I left some comments on the page.-- Kumioko ( talk) 22:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Hiya. I've commented. I'm afraid I am not prepared to close this. You'll see my detailed analysis at the page, but in summary I do find consensus to move this forward. However during lengthy analysis I have also come to the conclussion that I believe I would support the concept myself. As such I am no longer able to act neutrally, and cannot in conscience, close a debate when I cannot be neutral, even though it would be easy for me to do otherwise. Apologies. Pedro : Chat 20:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I guess you might want to see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot. John Carter ( talk) 00:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow. Impressive - ok, let's see what we've got in terms of volunteers - I'll check the list from WP:GEOBOT I don't think we can argue sufficient scope for a full WikiProject in any case, so a task force would be good. Nice work, glad to see you're keen! Fritzpoll ( talk) 15:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I have just returned to find the consensus for FritzpollBot. Knuckles cracked, code templates at the ready - let the work begin. :) Fritzpoll ( talk) 14:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, yes its great news and the result is what I anticipated (eventually). Yes I am unfortunately badly affected by the pollen in June, so much that in other years I have had a steroid injection to try to fight it!! Its not just the streaming eyes that makes comptuing difficult but the side effects of the tablets and general effects of the pollen seriously make you feel like conking out! My head kinda feels dumb! Luckily I'm only seriously affected by it for about three weeks rather than three months like some people! I would also like to see a full seperate wikiproject which I think will be needed for such a huge task ahead but it may be more advisable to create a task force first until it gains momentum. Perhaps you could make a proposal at WP:Councils to get it up and running, I'll try to chip in when I can. I've also created some new island locator maps which will be used if we are to begin with A. Samoa first. Feel free to continue uploading the directory, we don't want to deter all the helpful dabbers!! Good to here from you. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Would've let you know but I figured you'd see it on Sam's page anyway =) (re: short (94s) segment on Radio Wikipedia covering this decision. You can preview the segment here). best of luck fritzy, you've got a lot of work ahead of you. xenocidic ( talk) 14:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Fritzpoll et al...
As you plan to start up the project, I trust you will continue to encourage broad community input and feedback. I hope that you will create a centralized location for this, and have the bot create links to it on the talk pages of all the stubs that are created. I'm sure there will be many people who want to keep an eye on your progress and add their suggestions and critiques. I for one, would like there to be a single place that I can monitor to convince myself that I made the right decision. Thanks. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 18:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey dude, I'm doing ok! and you? you seem to have been busy. Did't realise you had such a debate, but good luck, and congrats that your bot got approved :-) Ok, I'm defo up for the push, lets start with writing a list of tasks on the project page, then we can all work from that? not sure where you will see this post, so I have copied this from my talk page and put it on yours. Many thanks, δ²( Talk) 03:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritz. If you are referring to my praise of Carlos's work last night it wasn't so much his dabbing of the lists you created but his general activity on wikipedia in this field in which he deserved to be encouraged. As for the community consensus, you do realise that most places will have to be evaded from being created by the bot now as you will not find "adequate" details on many of the African countries or poorer countries in Asia and Latin America for some time however optimistic we may be. Working with wikiprojects or not, for many of the countries in Africa you won't find enough data to create to high class articles on so even towns will have to be ignored by the bot leaving the countries which are in serious need of development left out because of this conservative approach. This was the whole point of the bot to start with. This means that the limited quantity that the bot will create due to these heavy restrictions could easily be done manually and somewhat defeats the object of why it was initially requested. The places that 100 people initally wanted to see with articles but many people didn't will be added anyway, its a pity more data isn't availbale for many of these countries. I;ve done some web searching and for the countries I most wanted to use that bot for, limited data is available meaning we will have to still ignore towns in many countries which isn't what I wanted. I fully agree that planning and working on each country and obtaining data through consensus is the best course of action, but the reality is that many of the most lacking countries are still going to be left out. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Mmm OK. What I would suggest though that if many villages in the directory ar eleft out of inclusion I would propose we create lists of the smaller places in tables by district/province with as much data as is available if there isn't enough to create seperate articles as Giro once suggested. We could then create the redriects to the lists of all the other places, so eventually the wikipedia index recognizes all settlements whether they are speerate articles or in lists, Then as info becomes avilabale the speerate articles can be created. Sound good?
What I want is wikipedia to recognize all the places that appear on sites like national satellite agency and maplandia but use what is avilable to display the information in different forms e.g if there is enough data -create seperate articles, if not create a list of places with info on location with a globe inside the tables etc in lists. This way even if there isn;t a load of info on many countries as I am concerned about, wikipedia would still offer coordinates of these places and acknowledgement. I am kinda hoping that as we work through countries info on other places will gradually become availabale so by the time we come to work on a country info has become available.. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Have a look at the new pages now!! I'm pretty quick for a human, many people have mistaken me for a bot before, but the reality is a bot could do things ten times quicker. The moment is goes into action is the moment I;ve been waiting for. Any progress on the project proposal? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
What I'd propose is that when the new project is established we have a department or sub pages dedicated to research. To compiling sources or listing potential sources for each country. What do you think?. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
If we decide, which I strongly think we should to create tables of all places anyway by district of each country, I think that the directory should still be generated. We may need to adapt it however if we are to trnasfer them into tables and find other info. Where we can I think we should create as many seperate articles as possible if valid enough but for those which at present it is difficult to obtain data, lists of tables would seem to most comprehensive system. After all people are here to learn, and if they have to visit 100 different pages to get the same data that could be listed in a neat table then our job isn't being done correctly. Some day in the future I can see websites dedicated to districts like there are in places like france and the UK etc all over the world and the days when we found it hard to find a population figure will be laughable, as by this time paragraphs of info on the history/culture of these places will gradually become avilable. It may be a while for some countries to gain access to the web but I think we can be sure that the givernment or elite of even poverty stricken countries will be wealthy eough to publish data online even in countries like Liberia, Guinea etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Here is a world directory of national statistic websites I found. COuld prove useful ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
It would be best of course to have a department or subpage of the new project dedicated to research and collecting links for each country which could be used ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll draw up a full list at List of national and international statistical services. Then this can be copied to the new project. Sound good? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, Jehochman asked me to pass this on to you. User:Caesarjbsquitti has been making a long long number of trolling and soapboxing remarks to various articles. He was topic banned from 9/11 articles recently but has continued to soapbox in other areas. He was blocked in November 2007 for the same behaviour. Here is my message to Jehochman and my detailed message to User:Haemo. Both Jehochman and Haemo recused themselves from dealing with this due to Caesarjbsquitti's remarks about 9/11. Thanks for reading this-- Cailil talk 13:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Good afternoon. I would like to comment on the proposal as stated at User:Fritzpoll/Refinement. Where should I do so? Thanks, your work on this proposal is appreciated. Feel free to respond on my talk page to ensure I receive the answer. Beam 17:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
You said that the first thing the group should probably do is work on the articles the bot did in its trial run. Not a bad idea, but a lot of the parties invovled seem to have very limited geographic interests, and it might be best to just let them work on generating lists for the countries they're interested in first. Do you by any chance have a list of the articles the bot has worked on? John Carter ( talk) 20:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought the proposal had been made at WP:COuncils?? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought John had filed it? IN that case I'm going to list it at WP:COuncils now. I'd rather we set it up as the village pump acted as a council discussion before but I guess we have to do it by the book. I want to see that bot running asap ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I might be interested in helping out on your userpage. Let me know what you're after and what you've already seent hat you like, and I'll see what I can do. Hope this helps, Gazimoff Write Read 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I figured the talk page of the project page would probably be the best place for discussion. I am trying to only really expand the articles that are all already completed, but the book I'm using groups several modern areas together into individual volumes, and I can't be surer it'll be around indefinitely, so I'm winding up creating a few new articles which are showing up in the Badakhshan volume anyway, while the book is available. John Carter ( talk) 19:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Well how long are you willing to wait. Is all this waiting necessary given that it has been approved? All we need to decide is what department it is to be under. I;ve never had much response from WP:Geography or WP:Cities on other issues either. I think it would be best as a task force of missing articles given that a lot of set up has alreadt been done there ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject Missing Encyclopedia articles/Geography task force has been formally requested. Please feel free to add further comment. The sooner we get an official framework to coordinate established the sooner the bot can start work! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
So we Americans are supposed to put up with your British desire to create a stub for every little hamlet and village in England but if we use public domain material for a stub on a Mayor of Seattle a City bigger than Liverpool it gets deleted. What @#^& explitive deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Multiple editors keep making the same mistake because they do not know American copyright law. If a text was published before January 1 1923 it s public domain. There are no hamlets in Britain more notable than Seattle. I am appaled that there are editors in Britain who ave nothing better to do han vanadlize American articles based on their prejudice. RichardBond ( talk) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Only a person from another country with a massive case of chauvinism would consider the Mayor of an American city to not be notable. Leave the article alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond ( talk • contribs) 22:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
"The controversy continued in the spring of 2008 when Takenouchi, who suffers from severe bipolar disorder, abandoned her company Yaoi house while in a delusional mania state, leaving customers, investors, and authors to pick up the pieces. Takenouchi has since returned to the company and continues to generate censure for retaining the title of President, despite her now well-known mental condition. [1]"
"Delusional mania state, leaving customers, investors and authors to pick up the pieces," isn't an attack? How so? Please elaborate. -- Blechnic ( talk) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you that was exhausting I thank you also for the reformatting tag Sincerely RichardBond ( talk) 22:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Thank you for taking the time to explain your decision regarding the article on Richard Marshall Bond. My concern was that the late Dr. Bond is the head of a non-notable company (see the red links). Also, it appears the article's author may have more than an academic interest in the subject (notice the name), and the author also has a surprisingly long history of creating articles that get deleted. I hope you don't take offense, but I would like to offer the article for AfD consideration. Thanks again, and be well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 10:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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Be well. -- Ecoleetage ( talk) 11:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I do hope you haven't tired of project? Busy? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography/Bot has been started. I've waited long enough with no response either at WP:Cites, WP:Geography or WP:Councils. Goven that these are major parts of wikipedia the response from them has been on existent. Anyway we have 22 members ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Issue dealt with. Too many cooks ought to be on the top of most Wikipedia pages. -- Blechnic ( talk) 21:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your offer. The editor is accusing me of breaking WP:EW and WP:3RR for reverting an editor multiple times, who removed AFD templates. If you find the time to take a look at it and give your neutral opinion, it would probably be a good help. As far as my average knowledge about Wikipedia policy goes, removing AFD templates is considered vandalism, and reverting them is not considered edit warring, and not liable for the 3RR rule. ~ | twsx | talk cont | ~ 21:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Mind if I bold your "delete" vote? Also, as far as a police department being notably non-notable is concerned: thanks for your appreciation of my humor; what I meant is that almost any police department gets coverage in reliable third-party sources. It would be notable for the police not to be in the news.
So I am inclusionist towards emergency service agencies. By the way, as an aside, one of the reasons that I'm inclusionist as to the police is that the police in my community have their own article (they are notable because of the sniper investigation), and I don't see why the police elsewhere shouldn't; the other reason is that I think that inherent notability belongs to public institutions, which both museums and police are. Please reply on the AfD discussion and then put {{talkback}} on my talk page. Thanks. 69.140.152.55 ( talk) 19:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been trying to figure out how to add data to the queue of entries the bot is going to make, but all I see is a row with coordinates. Am I misunderstanding how the bot is going to function? Phlegm Rooster ( talk) 07:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
How are you Mr. Fritz? Sorry if I've nagged you at all, I just see potential thats all! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
not interested. It will simply result in Ryulong doing whatever the hell he wants and me being blocked. -- Blechnic ( talk) 13:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in like this, but I think everyone cares a little bit about a block log. For example, I received a (well deserved) block back in January, for which I am sorry for. You just have to move on. Oh, and you say you don't count on anyone helping you. I'm no admin, but I'll be glad to help you (I apologise beforehand for not knowing a thing about it.) A bunch of admins thrive off the drama and practically contribute solely to the ANI. Fritzpoll is an exception, a very kind user that had to go through a lot of stress with the FritzpollBot. Just surving such a massive, drama-admin debate like that is a plus for you. You, amoung all people, would be (along with Blofeld, but he doesn't want to be one) my top prospect for adminship, and I want to congradlate, belated perhaps, becoming one. I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 15:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Butting in? Anyway. I'm going to leave it a little while. It's hard! StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 15:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
See Commons-l discussion - [3], thread at [4] - could be useful! - David Gerard ( talk) 11:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
[5] Tan | 39 15:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll. Whatever happened to the FritzpollBot? It got approved, and now there's a geobot group, but I haven't heard of the bot's progress. Are you still going to run it and how so? I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 14:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Strange I was about to ask if there have been any devleopments? We now have 25 editors on board and think when you have moment we should make ago of it. It seems silly to spend weeks in approving it and then not using it ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Somebody else also has a question for you:
The Procedure section on the project page is a little vague, so I haven't quite figured out exactly what needs to be done and how I can help. What do we need to do to verify item's on the list, so they can be generated by the bot? Please be specific. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
100 people in the "community" happened to strongly approve of the initial proposal as it was, and actually many weren't as pleased with the newer proposal because it was too conservative and limited. Even many of those who were against the bot creating similar articles said that they have no problems if humans are adding them, provding they can be expanded later. It was the prospect of a bot creating two million stubs with little info that turned many people off. Probably the best way to fill in the unknown places intially is using the lists but please don't deter me from expanding the encyclopedia in my own right. Many editors would support the work I do. I would urge that we create the lists by country but it seemed it would be a long time before it would be attended too, particularly as American Samoa is now on the number 1. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Cool! Yes that sounds good. I'm getting itchy fingers though to start all these places! I know that each country will be worked out eventually and we'll be creating lists of places but where the coverage is extremely poor at present I want to continue adding a few stubs. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes OK, its just I've always tried to be as productive as possible on wikipedia and try not to waste too much time. Where there are thousands of articles missing I tend to feel the need to begin addressing it. I hope the bot will be up and running soon! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Excellent. I did want to go through them alphabetically as was planned. E.g with Afghanistan, we should generate lists by province and create redirects to the lists. If we can't find much info, rather than skip it, I think we should still create the lists. Would it be possible to generate tabled lists with minitature locator pushpin maps in as appear in article?. I know the globe is recommended but if we could have both I think it would be useful. If we could evise a way to do this and not bloat the tables this would work great I think. I'd like the see Afghanistan finished off with lists ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking something like this with a globe also and any other useful columns we can find
Place name | Province | District | Description | Altitude | Nearest settlements | Map | |
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Fritz town | |||||||
Bald City | |||||||
Giobo | |||||||
Silouk | |||||||
Mbogo | |||||||
Tsawa | |||||||
Dario | |||||||
Esewa | |||||||
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Looks good - propose i on the main talk page. We'll now need to contact our volunteers and get them crawling all over the pages. Then we can advertise it more widely to keep the community suitably involved and relaxed about it Fritzpoll ( talk) 14:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
We'd need to find a way of creating own own pin mpas for the lists at a smaller size also. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The more I think about the more I think creating a full set of world lists would serve a comprehensive platform to build on. Once the lists are started then we could work through and try to create indivudal articles using the bot where there is enough info available. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. Please enlighten me: exactly which sentence in this article do you believe is a weak assertion of notability? I read it again, and I just don't see any. Keep in mind that this article was part of a series, roughly half of which have now been deleted for non-notability. There were a few that I thought were borderline so I did not tag them for speedy delete, but this one seemed pretty clear to me. Maybe you can take a look at the others? They are all listed together at PNT. Thanks. Cbdorsett ( talk) 06:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Can you resend the link to the sharonbrain/johnnycooper page for the rework... Cheers Sharonbrain2 ( talk) 00:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fritzpoll" Thank you that sounds great to have your assistance in getting the page back up. What is the best way to work on it. Can you highlight the point of concerns in red so that I can address them? That would help. Is it that I need to add more sources? Thank you Sharonbrain2 Sharonbrain2 ( talk) 23:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have read over the WP:Music info. Where do I document the media sources, music charts, and record label info that proves he is notable? Do I add this info to the talk page?
I am curious about events on this article - Earlier this year I had discussion on his notablility with someone on Wiki (administrator?) from my old login (Sharonbrain) and they pointed out to others on Wiki to look at the links that I had on the page...such as press/media articles about Johnny Cooper as well has his appearance in the documentary "North of Austin/West of Nashville:Red Dirt Music". From this experiance, I thought all was well. Can you tell me was there a complaint on the page, was this a delayed deletion, ...
Appreciate any insight or process on where to provide inclusion evidence.
Cheers Sharon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharonbrain2 ( talk • contribs) 00:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Oooops Sharonbrain2 ( talk) 00:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Bravo. Tan | 39 00:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
The office of the Pergrine Fund is not open yet and so though I requested that some one of my uninformed critics check on whether my fathers work with Peregrines was one important to the field it was deleted out from a position of ignorance. The Caribbean has the population size of Britain. One of my critics a Hawaiiian living in Japan said that CFCS has no importance. To him maybe but who would I be to try and dictate what is notable in Hawaii or Japan. Wikipedia gives an initial appearance that it is a means to share knowledge among people who have it and instead it is a paradise for cyberbullies. RichardBond ( talk) 13:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC) It looks like I should have mentioned his Bernice Piauhi Bishop Fellowship classifying Hawaiian seashells for the American Museum of Natural History. RichardBond ( talk) 13:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC).
The Minister of Agriculture in Costa Rica will probably recognize Caribbean Food Crop Society. RichardBond ( talk) 16:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there a page on say Baden-Powell if so why he was merely the founder of an organization or Justin Morgan originator of a livestock breed. One of the detractors said CFCS was not notable. There is an obvious subjective value judgement involved. RichardBond ( talk) 16:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
My new article Coffee production in Costa Rica. Do you reckon I should start a world coffee production series? I of course owned a global coffee company in Austin Powers 2 which allowed me to have my "Belgian dip"
Something like
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Well if you do end up developing huggle,which i see no reason that you wouldnt, ill try to make your life easier by having a list of stuff that needs to be fixed / changed in the next version. Ill look after the feedback page, archive the stuff and find out what needs changing e.t.c the add it to the list. I hope you accept ^^ ·Add§hore· Talk/ Cont 01:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
How goes this? (I can't wait!) (and good luck with Huggle!) giggy ( :O) 09:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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Now that you're the new incarnation of Gurch, do you want me to carry on doing what I did with him and notifying you of problems/issues that come up with it? (For reasons that are too boring to go into, and much against my wishes, my talkpage seems to have evolved into the Huggle Complaints Department – search my last couple of talk archives for the word "huggle" and you'll see what I mean.) I'm more than happy to continue passing problems on as they come up, but equally I'm more than happy to leave you to it. (Although, please don't give in to the permanent calls to remove "using Huggle" from the edit summary!) – iride scent 17:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi any idea when you could start generating lists in the mainspace? If we are going to include all of the settlements you listsed in the directory at least in the lists do you think it would be best to resume uploading more again to the directory. The sooner we get all of the places into the tabled lists, the sooner we can seek out sources and use the bot to generate new content where sources are adequate. I'm just concerned that we haven't really gone places in over a month. There is such a huge amount to do I really think the sooner we start putting things into action the better. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
We've got 25 people on board with the project but first of all we need to create lists. We don't need tons of volunteers to do the lists. We just use the coordinates /province/district info as before and generate them into the mainspace in lists. Ideally I wanted the bot to create 2 million new starter articles like Reva, Mozambique so I could concentrate on expanding them ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC) I say we carry on as before with Afghanistan but instead of creating seperate articles we transfer it into new lists ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll try to get to work on creating a list for one of the Afghan provinces manually. Once this is done you;ll see little manual labor is needed and the bot should be able to transfer the data from the directory straight into the tabled lists with coordinates. Before we start on each country we'll need to check which ones (and consult with the wikiprojects if relevant) could have a seperae article but creating basic lists of places should be done anyway as groundwork. To generate the lists we don't need anything more than the NGIA data. It is only if there is enough sources for a seperate article we will create a seperate article. I would suggest we lay out the tables first. It was only agreed at the village pump not to create two million seperate stubs using the basic data, few would object to merging the ones where more sources can't be compiled into full lists. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Somewhat agree ith blodfeld. We should create the lists first (in the Wikipedia Space) and if we find a government source, scrap the Maplandia/Fallingrain/NGIA lists and only use those sources for coord, elevation etc. I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 18:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
It was decided at the village pump not to create two million seperate stubs. Many of those who opposed were perfectly happy to see a lists of places containing the same information providing we don't have two million perma stubs. Then for the places where we can find adequate sources to generate fuller articles we create seperate articles. At the end of it, we end up with the encyclopedia recognizing every place from NGIA and maplandia, but we only use the bot to create seperate articles where further sources can be obtained beyond these sources as agreed per village pump. Being highly cautious, do you think it should be necessary to propose the lists at the village pump again??? It was clearly agreed that the bot would not create two million stubs on articles but nobody objected to creating structured lists dpeending on how much is avialable. We stick to the agreement 100% in that we only generate new seperate articles if we can obtain further sources than these. 95% of those who strongly opposed before were those who didn't want to see 2 million sub stubs. A comprehensive list by province of each country would surely be excellent groundwork for any encyclopedia. Everybody at the project discussion thinks this would be th best way to start too. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly. Nobody is going to be doing anything contrary to that discussion anyway. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC) We start on Afghanistan. We consult WP:Afghanistan -see if anybody has any sources. We generate full lists by province anyway with coordinates and the basics into lists from the directory into the mainspace. This process should be repeated for each country. I think we should create a full world list anyway for comprehensive purposes and then make the decision which articles can be started independly in their own right through project consultation and research. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Approved, well at least by me. The consensus part is done is my main point. Consensus to use the bot when approved. The lists come before the bot. So, yeah.
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Yes occasionally it has been shown to not e correct. This is where I'd suggest that we check other sites to try to affirm what the current province situation is. Usually there is a main government site which will show what the official provinces are currently. If maplandia doesn't equate then for that particularly vcountry we don't mention province (e.g Azerbaijan, Armenia etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, how about we start with Burkina Faso. We have a government source for the population, departments, provinces, and regions--we just ned to use maplandia for the coordinates. If Maplandia contradicts the government source, then we simply skip that town, at least for the moment. I'm an Editor of the wiki citation needed 21:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Something like this. I'd rather have a small pin map and a column for reference but if we could generate a full gazetteer like this for each country this would be an important first step. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Place name | Official name | District | Description | Altitude | Nearest settlements | Map/coordinates |
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Ab Gach | Āb Gach | Bald District | It is on the left bank of the Ab-i-Wakhan about a mile upstream of the meeting of that river and the Amu Darya. | 450m | About ten miles southwest of Kala Panja | 36°59′N 72°42′E / 36.983°N 72.700°E |
Amurn | Āmūrn | Located on the M41 motoway which connects it with Tajikistan near the border | ||||
Andowj | Andowj | |||||
Anjoman | Anjoman | |||||
Arakht | Arakht | |||||
Arghandakan | Arghandakān | |||||
Artin Jelow | Ārtīn Jelow | |||||
Arun | Ārūn | |||||
Ashkasham | Ashkāsham | |||||
Ashnam | Āshnām | |||||
Baharak | Bahārak |
Hello! I just wanted to say that I appreciate your input in the G1/G3 discussion on the other talk page. Be well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 14:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm glad that you have a GA in your resumé, if that's what you meant by the article going beyond GA. Anyways, for the future, if there's a particular article you'd like for me to review, just hit me up. ;) --
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Hi Fritzpoll. I noticed you had a list of "240+ Cape Verde google map locations" here. Can you give me that list so I can start mapping them to the table I compiled in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cape Verde/FritzpollBot? Thanks, Waldir talk 23:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi I just thought I’d thank you for the removal of the speedy deletion tag request by an unsigned editor 93.107.128.92 for the origins of the European Harp in Europe page. I have researched this article well and have cited academic references throughout and despite 38 references in the Irish section alone, the unsigned editor has placed a dubious tag and has requested the whole page be deleted for pov violation. I feel that this view is unjust and I have merely cited the views of academia and all of my sources are backed up by recent Irish centric and empirical publications.
Most of these sources range from 2000 – 2005 and the lyre prodonminates in Irish carvings rather than a triangular harp within an Irish context is nothing new as cited by one of the great celtic harp historians Roslyn Rensch (1989) and has been even commented Edward Bunting (2000) originally published in 1843. I feel this editor cannot find a valid source to back up his accusations of pov and wishes to remove the page which is backed up by refrences. Also studies from Edward Bunting 1843, JASTOR Grey University of Michigan 1956, Kenneth Mathieson 2001 and Daibhi OCoinin in a New History of Ireland, prehistoric and early history (2005) conclude the triangular harp was not evident in Irekland till the Anglo-Norman invasion.
How can I get the article peer reviewed as far as I have seen the majority of studies cite the lyre and not the harp as the Irish instrument of choice before the anglo-norman invasion? I have even had random acts of vandalism on the page [ [6]] where another unsigned editor 78.19.156.62 changing researched sources to a gaelic pov totally taking the cited sourse out of context. Can you help? Cheers Celtic Harper ( talk) 11:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bearforce 1. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- lifebaka ( Talk - Contribs) 19:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been manually removing US flags from a lot of BLPs because of this. Couldn't a bot be designed to search for use of the flag in BLPs or something? I figure it's a simple task, and it'd save me time. Enigma message 17:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Writing this on a mobile-so forgive the brevity! Will get a net connection once i get a phone line next week, so give of a fortnight to get back. Thanks to keep for the message above, and happy july 4th. Congrats to gwyn. Blofeld, I'll be back doing the bot as soon as i can. I vote to restore the page above at deletion review. Can't edit it due to an ip block. See you all soon. Fritzpoll
As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway! :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 04:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
You might consider following the lead of Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates and use {{ coord}}. -- SEWilco ( talk) 04:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Would you mind dropping a note on WP:GEO about this WP:GEOBOT project? There's a topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Maplinks and FritzpollBot. -- Para ( talk) 15:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. You;re in luck I've just logged in!!! Hope the house moving is going great, I did discuss it with User:MJCDetroit about having the maps in the tables. Personally I'm thinking that if we have a list of several hundred places a pushpin map would bloat it. I'm thinking we just have the global wiki map in the final column ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Place name | Official name | District | Description | Altitude | Map/coordinates |
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Ab Gach | Āb Gach | Bald District | It is on the left bank of the Ab-i-Wakhan about a mile upstream of the meeting of that river and the Amu Darya. | 450m | |
Amurn | Āmūrn | Located on the M41 motoway which connects it with Tajikistan near the border | |||
Andowj | Andowj | ||||
Anjoman | Anjoman | ||||
Arakht | Arakht | ||||
Arghandakan | Arghandakān | ||||
Artin Jelow | Ārtīn Jelow | ||||
Arun | Ārūn | ||||
Ashkasham | Ashkāsham | ||||
Ashnam | Āshnām | ||||
Baharak | Bahārak |
I'm thinking something like this but we'd need to sort out column structure to make editing it easier.
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I'm uncertain about a few of the columns, nearest settlements and altitude are listed on falling rain but that site concerns me. I'd be interested to hear your ideas!! The description column would probably be left empty to start with. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes. I think they should be generated like the seperate articles were before but in the tables. Then they can be researched and once the "decription" becomes full they then qualify for a seperate article. The best thing initially will be to lay down the groundwork e.g the name, native name, possibly altitude, and coordinates or province/district. What I'd propose we do is do a quick googe search initially before creating each country list to see what kind of info is available. With Afghanistan we know there is little out there on the web (yet) so we start them in a list without a description. If however the country has enough details for seperate articles, we create the lists anyway (for comprehensive purposes) but add basic details (such as population if possible) and generate new articles.
I'm thinking it might be good to create a population column, and leave it empty until population figures become avialable. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. We must be connected telepathically as I haven't thought about it for days and now today I've been thinking about it again!!! I've just been adding a few Bangladesh places to add some to the empty categories as I don't want them to be deleted. I would love to start with Afghanistan and continue as before but create lists. Look forward to starting! Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritz. I would be happy to see the format as above as I've just adjusted. The nearest settlements column would look a bit cluttered so I've removed it, anyway apart of that can go in thee description. I know I said before about the maps bloating the tables, but I believe if we are to emulate having seperate articles this would be best. I'll see if I can get the map sizes reduced by 100px or so. Done!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It never ceases to amaze me how many people watch Keeper's page! I appreciate how quickly you dealt with the request, and I won't misuse the tool. Thanks, S. Dean Jameson 15:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
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Fritzpoll, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 ( talk) 04:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC) |
I see no need to second guess you. Thanks. -- Blechnic ( talk) 16:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
....ahem... goat .... I dont even want to say. Clicked on the screen then immediately option-Qd my browser. Gwynand | Talk• Contribs 00:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Please keep in contact with me and let me know when we can start. You can send me messages too!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
For the +Rollbacker. I promise you will not regret granting me this privilege. :-) -- Hfarmer ( talk) 02:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
OK. My request didn't demonstrate knowledge of when to use the tool. I should have also mentioned that while I am looking for advertising, I frequently revert obvious vandalism and the tool would be handy. When can I apply again? -- Carbonrodney ( talk) 12:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
[7] :) Enigma message 22:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I attained perfection yesterday.... Not that big of a deal, especially since Antandrus was big about it. -- Blechnic ( talk) 22:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi - you tagged this article as a recreation of material deleted via a deletion discussion ( WP:CSD#G4. This was actually inappropriate for this page, as the article had only been speedy deleted in the past, and G4 is for cases where an AfD discussion has taken place. I have, however, deleted it under the more appropriate A7 (group) criterion, so this is an educational notice. Feel free to ask me any questions Fritzpoll ( talk) 22:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I've replied on my talkpage (I tend to keep discussions together, that's all). Many thanks! Gazimoff Write Read 15:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So I can't use huggle? ~~Sealim~~ ( talk) Reply at MY talk page —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Ok! Thanks ! ~~Sealim~~ ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, I've cleaned up the article a bit; nice job finding sources. As Xeno mentioned, removal of content without an explanation is vandalism, so don't worry about 3RR. Does the article look okay to you? Glass Cobra 22:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I requested the speedy deletion of a category I created Category:House of Montagu, but you declined because it was not unpopulated as my request suggested. I wanted to have it deleted because a Category:Montagu family category already existed, which made my category totally superfluous. Which deletion template should I have used? Regards, FusionWarrior ( talk) 11:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Please see my response here. Kaldari ( talk) 23:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I've replied on my talk page. Hope you are well ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking forward to the bot. As I said I won't be creating too many en masse in future if we can compile lists instead. Just trying to fill in some gaps on districts which are several thousands km in area but didn't have ANY articles whatsoever. I still think they can be expanded if somebody researched them properly. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes an AFD in which I wasn't evne notified about. SHouldn't it by customary to at least notify the article creator it is up for the nuke? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I added most of the places in Bhutan the other day many with population figures and they are not all stubs. Some of them like Paro, Bhutan, Gedu, Deothang etc are much better than if we didn't have them. I do a lot more than create sub stubs on here. I'm sure you are aware of this. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I know I just find it bugs me when people think all I do is create worthless stubs. This is why the BOT will be such a valuable prospect because it will allow us to work more on quality rather than trying to tackle the almost single handedly. I hope Kaldari is aware that this why I sought for a bot and a new project to undertake this
♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦
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How is the new dwelling anyway? Happy? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I remember my parents telling me they sat on deck chairs for weeks!!! My sister on the other hand had everything immediately. Shes off travelling around SOuth America at present. She visiting the Iguacu Falls today. Yes my hay fever was only bad for a week or two, perhaps it was helped by the not so good weather. I've been sneezing a bit yesterday and today but nothing Baldy can't handle. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
WHats the plan then for Afghanistan?. Do mean create lists or create seperate articles with new info ? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Tomorrow then? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, tomorrow - need to buy a desk for my computer! Fritzpoll ( talk) 12:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC) Go the IKEA. Thats where I got mine. Cheap but it is quality and solid. LOL I've just been reading that in Shintoism many of the cars are blessed as they are manufactured. I thought that was rathing amusing given that the Japanese seem obsessed with automobiles and business ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for granting me rollback permission. I'll use it wisely as advised. - House of Scandal ( talk) 17:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought it was not different to installing Twinkle. The only reason I asked for Rollback again is because Vandal Fighter is crashing my laptop constantly, which actually makes it hard to "gain more experience with reverting vandalism". But, it's cool. I'll try again next month, I guess. Hamako 17:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Haven't forgot about this Fritz, wanted to offer quick thoughts. The problem (or lack thereof) of Beer is that its generally written well (so not much in terms of obvious copy editing) and finding quick internet sources to verify some of the facts has proven tougher. Of course... I'd actually love to start getting into non-internet sourcing, but that isn't as readily available, so I haven't done it yet. To sum up... Beer is a large project that I'd prefer to work into later.
...on the other hand, Jack Daniel's has a lot of potential to become a good article and potentially a featured article, and for some reason I think I'd feel more comfortable starting there. It's more specific so it'd be easier to research, plus I'd imagine there is ample reliable sourcing for it. Of course, I'm just posting here to keep you informed, and advising that I'd likely need help from here to there so hopefully you won't mind watch listing that article. Thanks. Gwynand | Talk• Contribs 19:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
G'Day Fritzpoll,
My previous paragraph has been archived. I am requesting rollback here, to help quickly revert vandalism... this is an example of vandalism where rollback would be acceptable (but as it was a single edit not necessary) and same here
Cheers,
No probs. :) Sorry about that, blame the software. :D At least we said the same thing! Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
for you naerii 20:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi there is an IP address probably from India which is wreaking havoc with some of the Bollywood articles. See his contributions. He persistently keeps adding POV to an article or glorifying an actor or film further than they or it actually is. It is a major nuisance for the editors on here who work on Indian cinema articles to have to keep reverting him day in day out just to maintain some sense of article neutrality. He has been warned many times. Could you please warn him and try to make him aware of wikipedias neutrality and why his edits which are intent on putting POV or glorifying the subject of the article unnecesarily may be construed as agains tpolicy and therfore vandalism. Its doing my nut it keeoing track of him. User:Shshshsh (Shahid) raise my awarenss of it initially and other editors such as totalfilmi99 have to keep reverting him e.g here. Should he be blocked do you think? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is it admin are never here when you need them most!!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As a member of WP:GEOGRAPHY, I would appreciate your views on the discussion I've started at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(Geographic_locations)#Using_an_Atlas_as_a_source_for_notability Thanks AndrewRT( Talk) 13:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I've been thinking carefully over how to approach this, partly because I respect your opinion and trust your judgement, but also because I have to play by the rules. To come to the point, I've been strongly encouraged to request the tools in order to further help and support the project. As a result, I owe it to you out of common courtesy to let you know, as the last thing I wanted was for it to be a surprise to you. I would also ask that whatever happens, if you'll be happy to continue our mentoring agreement in the future. You've done more than you know for me, and I hope to be able to learn more from you whatever the future holds. Respectfully with thanks, Gazi moff( mentor/ review) 11:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
What time do you plan on beginning. Probably this evening when you get home? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought you would have been out enjoying the sun today, thats where I've been. My shoulders are burning a little from the sun. It was quite intense this afternoon. Probably the same in Bristol ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey I made some templates for El Salvador at Wikipedia:WikiProject El Salvador/Department templates. El Salvador has to be one of the poorest covered countries on here. At least we now have the municipalities connected ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Gurch - when you first left, I offered to take over the maintenance of Huggle when the issue was raised at one of the noticeboards. I then promptly lost access to my dev machine for a bit, and now have the access back. But I'm not sure if you're back or not, so can you give me a ping so that I know if I should start work on the bugs or not. Cheers Fritzpoll ( talk) 15:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi yes people seemed to be away!! I asked many people and couldn't get hold of anyone who was online!! Its odd that everybody seems to have returned at once!! Thanks for your note on adminship, at times I really need more tools to do things more efficiently but there will be too many editors who will try to make me look like a bad editor. They'll hound me for my lack of consistency with edit summaries for a start you name it, depsite the fact I am undertaking an enormous task of template/category structuing where edit summaries every time are an extra burden when I'm trying to perform the task as quickly as possible. I try to do things quickly and focus my mind on the task I often forget to leave a summart. Perhaps I should set my preferences to prompt so I get a "100%" edit summary ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
In my time here, I don't believe I've ever been accused of incivility. Can anything be done to stop OR's dragging my name through the mud with these accusations? S. Dean Jameson 21:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Could you watchlist Dan Crow (computer scientist) and Blurb.com? I've been dealing with a banned editor "JP" (who was allowed to vanish and had her WP:CSN banning thread blanked). More eyes may help. Jehochman Talk 08:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello you! long time no speak :-) just thought I would pop along and ask what we should all do to task force together and continue witht the clean up, get articles to "Good" status? hope all is well your end. Many thanks, δ²( Talk) 13:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Why did you nominate my Greg Roberts (musician) for speedy deletion? He was the drummer with Big Audio Dynamite and Dreadzone and a sessionman. ®∂бЯέЩ§τЄґ ♪ ♫ ♪ 18:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Fritz I am beginning to doubt that the bot will ever run. It has been at least two months since we had the village pump discussion. If you are no longer interested or don't ever intend to run it I would rather you were completely honest with me. It is a week since you announced on the project page that you would begin compiling a list with it. Theres no pressure but I'd rather if you make an announcement that within reason I can expect some sort of follow up. I certainly hope it can be done in a relaxed way and in our time but I am also keen that we begin to make some sort of progression with it. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh I didn't see that! You replied to it on a totally different subject where I didn't even mention the bot!!!! Just let me know when you have sorted out that coding!! I'm not concerned about how fast we get things done, but rather that we somehow make a start and make a gradual progression after the long discussion that went into it thats all. Take care ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten about our mini-project. Had a minor family crisis this week, combine that with an increased interest in my actual job (I have no idea on this one) and baby Gwynand taking up more of my waking and sleeping hours, my contributing time is lessening. I admit, in retrospect, that the failed RfA for some reason deflated a lot of my initiative, something I always thought it shouldnt do. Anyways, I'm certainly not going anywhere, although August will be a busy RL month for me, in case I look to be drifting away. Thanks. Gwynand | Talk• Contribs 18:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool. It might be a good idea if you branched out into a seperate article on that because I'm sure a great deal could be written about it and to me I find it an interesting read. However in the main article obviously you don't want a huge section compared to the rest of the article but I just wondered whether in the cutting porcess you left anything of note out. Would you object if I moved the original 30kb section to a seperate article? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Your're quite right. I just checked what was there before. There really was a lot of babble -many of the sections were unnecessarily long and might I say you've done a mighty fine job of condensing and rewriting it and sticking to the main points. If it was to branch out further then it would indeed be best to do it with references and in a planned and coordinated fashion. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes something along the lines of Conspiracy theories of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Such an article would need a lot of referencing and WP:Neutral view though which isn't easy. Potentially it could be written as a full article I'm sure and provide a further insight to the subject that is summarised in the main article on it. It would be interesting to read some of the government reports and newspapers of the time as research ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fritzpoll, I was wondering if you had any recollection what source was used to generate these lists. I've been trying to go through and add sources and info to some of the stubs that Blofeld created using those lists. At first I thought the lists were generated from GeoNames, but your lists have the districts and divisions that each village belongs to, while GeoNames doesn't. For most of these village stubs I haven't been able to find any sources stating what administrative divisions they belong to, so any pointers on where you got the info originally would be helpful. In fact, it would probably be a good idea for you to list information about sources on any such lists that you generate. Thanks! Kaldari ( talk) 20:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I deleted and warned the user (or am in the process of the latter) for the comment about "power trip"ping. -- Blechnic ( talk) 23:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I have mentioned you, in a good way. Jehochman Talk 23:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
You've done fine work these last few days, wading through the whole WW/Blechnic/OR mess. If I gave barnstars (which this mess has convinced me not to--another story for another time) you would have one right now. S. Dean Jameson 00:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow are you really only 23. I'm 25. I thought you were in your thirties ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not resolved until her edit to DYK is reverted or removed. She had plenty of warning about the impending community ban, and she chose to ignore it. An official warning of the ban is in order, but this is not an excuse for allowing her to violate the ban. Please remove or have someone else remove her edit from DYK, whatever the official procedure is for dealing with banned users violating bans. -- Blechnic ( talk) 00:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, nothing happened when Blechnic reverted her nomination. He had the right to do that, as did any editor, as you correctly noted. There is a topic ban in place. However, this did not address the content issue. When I came across that nomination and reversion, I looked at the article. It seemed fine. So I restored the nomination. User:Gatoclass seems to have interpreted this as a challenge to the ban, which it was not, and, without discussion, reverted my restoration. I discussed it with him a bit, but because of the time issue, the soon-expiring deadline for consideration of the article for DYK, and because I think his issue may have been with the manner of my restoration (I originally restored it as it was originally, verbatim, with WW's signature, and then added my own as endorsing it), I renominated without mentioning WW. I also changed the DYK text a little to make it tighter. It's my nomination now, not hers. But it is still her article, she created it, and others, including myself, merely edited it a little. Blechnic may have overlooked that a topic ban on nominations at DYK has no effect on the user's ability to create articles, which is her main goal, one which she seems to be doing rather well, what with 28 successful DYK articles. She doesn't want to go through the wikidrama, it seems, of trying to rescind the ban, and I don't blame her. I appreciate what you have done, and I will do what I can to reconcile her to you, for I see you as far more of a supporter than otherwise. It is my understanding that, if subsequent developments seem to justify it, you can unilaterally determine that the ban has served whatever legitimate purpose it had, and you may lift it. I've suggested that if people want the ban lifted, they could talk with you or discuss it in the most obvious place, Wikipedia talk:Did you know, which is where this whole matter should have been kept in the first place, until there was a need for tools. At least the matter of a topic ban. Blechnic has charged WW with all kinds of offenses that were really irrelevant. (Whether or not WW made an uncivil edit summary has no bearing on whether or not a DYK nomination should be promoted.)-- Abd ( talk) 17:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)