Hi Fountains-of-Paris,
In rejecting my repeated reversal of your edits on Plato's Phaedrus, you wrote:
Since I believe that many of Wikipedia's philosophy related articles need improvement, I don't take reversing other editors' contributions lightly. There have to be multiple reasons, but mainly whether the contribution vandalizes the article, makes the article philosophically at odds with accepted professionally published sources, or less readable for casual visitors.
While I am delighted to encounter another person who takes as much pleasure from Plato's works as I do, I'm forced to oppose your edits on all of the above grounds. Of course, if you can find a peer reviewed professional article to support your addition, just as you have stated, then I will back off without further conditions. That cannot be your previous reference to Cooper's Introduction to the Phaedrus which is open in front of me. He says nothing about madness, (Phaedrus 244a ff).
Naturally, these are all based on my personal judgment. However, according to Wikipedia rules for resolving editing conflicts between editors {WP:DR}, you may not insist on changing the article over the other editor's objections, as you are doing. You need to have a consensus of other interested editors first. You don't have that.
Also, please have a look at {WP:NOR} "No original research" for guidelines.
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BlueMist ( talk) 01:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I have expanded three references in Talk:Phaedrus (dialogue).-- Auró ( talk) 11:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello, are you there? Marlindale ( talk) 01:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
There is no mention of his nickname anywhere in the article. There wasn't any before I added it and there is none after your edits. Gdzlg ( talk) 21:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia. You have been disruptively editing Johann Sebastian Bach and Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach against policy, guidelines, and best practices for nearly four months now. Consider this your final warning. Softlavender ( talk) 00:32, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jane Austen you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley ( talk) 20:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
The article Jane Austen you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Jane Austen for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley ( talk) 22:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I note that the close of the contentious RfC for English Democrats is disputed and ask that you unclose the RfC so than an administrator weighing the policy requirements may examine it. Collect ( talk) 22:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. I have not seen the Fischer book but only the online blurb for it that states that "Today only 20 paintings and eight drawings are confidently assigned to Bosch’s oeuvre". Therefore I am not able to assess whether those twenty include any that are disputed by other 21st century scholars. The numbers keep changing, and confidence is relative; maybe "confidently" is the word that's creating difficulty in our article's lede. See here for an example of some recent controversy. The last paragraph describes Matthijs Ilsink, coordinator of the Bosch Research and Conservation Project, as acknowledging "that attributions are always a matter of discussion and debate" and quotes him as saying, "Matters of attribution and the whole picture of what is and what is not by an artist are all relative”. The reason I prefer the less precise "about 25" language is that in this case a little vagueness may be better, and in any case "about 25" is the formulation that shows up again and again in reliable sources. Examples: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], and this one where the number is 24. I have no particular expertise on Bosch; possibly this matter is worth moving to the article's talk page to see what the consensus is. Ewulp ( talk) 03:30, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
The article Jane Austen you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jane Austen for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley ( talk) 14:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi there- the nomination has now been archived, meaning that there's no way for it to continue; you are free to renominate, but you cannot do so for at least two weeks after the archive date unless one of the FA delegates gives you permission (I appreciate that this is frustrating; it's one of the methods used to keep the backlog down). I advise taking the article to peer review before renominating- I'd be willing to take a look through if I can find some time, Tim might be prepared to have another look, other PR/FAC regulars might also drop by. There's also WikiProject Women Writers and associated projects which may well have a number of members prepared to take a look- important topics like this can often motivate people if they are advertised. Josh Milburn ( talk) 15:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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Sorry for replying your request. But I can not tell the description of The Revenant's accolades, because I'm afraid the other editors blocking my Wikipedia's account again. I'm sorry.
IreneTandry ( talk) 18:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for copy-editing! Minor questions (sorry for going backwards):
@ Gerda Arendt: That is a nice article you have placed for Reger which appears to follow some of the popular Encyclopedia articles available for it on the internet. My small edits were indications of places which might help the narrative flow of your article in the second half of the article. You can change back or modify as needed. The two top issues I would identify are (1) Would the article be easier to read in English if the English translations were the primary source used throughout the article from start to finish, and without the German text in the main article. If needed the German original could be moved to the footnotes as part of the critical apparatus, though they possibly should not be used in the primary text of the English language version of Wikipedia (I would say the exact opposite for the German version of Wikipedia). It is your decision if you prefer an article which is more accessible to read in English, or if you would like to retain the critical apparatus in German as your preference. The second point is (2) Should the article give more attetion to including the full translation into English of the original German poem. The poet's writings have been studied in English [7], though I have not seen a full English translation of this poem which you may or may not have seen in the liner notes of the CD or elsewhere. It may be worth including it fully translated and possibly in 2 column format for English readers. Once you decide if points (1) and (2) and useful, then I can answer your list of questions above. It appears that you may have the full score of the composition in your hands so you have quite an advantage over other editors looking at the article. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 14:47, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your helpful comments. I try again, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I removed your FAC nomination of Sonia Sotomayor as out-of-process. Per the FAC instructions, if you are not one of the significant contributors to the article, you should consult and work with the editors who brought it to its current state before nomination. I don't see where you have done that. Please let me know if you have any questions. -- Laser brain (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
For your very positive encouragements and activities regarding edits to Revenant (which, I acknowledge, is outside my scope of expertise). I will look in again there, but trust the editors committed to the quality of that article to make constructive changes in line with WP:VERIFY (and any other issue raised). With regard, Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 01:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Fountains-of-Paris. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Jane Austen at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Good luck with FA and all the best, Mini apolis 20:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC) |
Dear Founatains, thank so much for your kind words and encouragement. I had not really considered doing a major job on Mansfield Park, but now you have mentioned it, I'll will. Please have a wonderful day and cheers! -- A.S. Brown ( talk) 00:34, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
love and friendship
Thank you for quality contributions to topics of ancient Greek philosophy, drama, and mythology, to Bach and the poetry of Reger's Requiem, for Law's Empire, for adding plot and sounds to Love & Friendship, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
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Thank you for copyediting and good questions! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1434 of Precious, a prize of QAI! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Two years now! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
... and three! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure if the categories for the article Law's Empire are fitting. They rather categorize the author Ronald Dworkin, so they are rather categories for persons, not for works/books as they should be. Compare e.g. the categories for another work by Dworkin, Taking Rights Seriously. -- Proofreader ( talk) 09:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Dear Fountations, thank you so much for your kind words, which are much appreciated here. The slavery issue also strikes me as very important. This has nothing to do with Austen, but I just finished off watching a documentary on the slave trade. It didn't tell anything that I did not really know, but it did bring home the full horror of the "Middle Passage", as the fact was graphically illustrated that so people died on the slave ships that vast packs of sharks followed the slave ships all the way across the Atlantic to fest on the bodies that got dumped overboard daily. Patrica Rozma is not a historian and her film version of Mansfield Park is really off-base in that she has slave ships operating in the English Channel ca. 1800, which would not had happened for reasons I mentioned in the article, but I do share her outrage at slavery, which was and is such a repulsive and dehumanizing institution (sadly, slavery still exists in parts of the world even today). Rozma's heart is in the right place, she didn't know her history very well. I follow Windshuttle (who is a not Austen scholar, but is a man who does not approve of Said) in that Austen made Sir Thomas a planation owner as a convenient way to get him out of England for a long period of time, not as some sort of attempt to justify slavery. One wishes that Austen had picked another plot device to get Sir Thomas out of England, but that is the one she chose. I am not completely against Said in the sense that his charge of "Orientalism", namely that Westerners liked to depict Islamic civilisations as strange, exotic and timeless does have merit. The point of timelessness is really a way of dismissing Islamic countries and of asserting Western superiority since it is a way of saying the Western nations change and advance while Islamic nations do not. Having said that much, Said really goes too far with his thesis that pretty much everything in the West is rotten. Yes, there are many things like slavery which people should be ashamed of, but there are things to be proud of as well. I stand midway between people like Windshutle, Victor Davis Hanson and Kenneth Clarke for whom the "West is the Best" and people like Said, Frantz Fanon and Vladimir Putin for whom the "West is the worst". It is a really a matter of perspective. For example, the same Britain that produced slavery and the slave trade also produced Austen, Wilberforce and abolitionism, so there are things at one and same time both to loathe and love. Getting back to Mansfield Park, there are number of philosophical points that needed to be addressed as you noted, and I will make that my project for late summer and early fall. I am not ashamed of my sex, but most of the editors here are male, so means that Wikipedia definitely has a build-in andro-centric bias, in that articles on men and what are perceived as male themes tended to much more detailed than articles on women and what are perceived as female themes. For an example, I mentioned in the article on the Russian-Japanese War of 1904-05 that the Russian soldiers often raped Chinese women in Manchuria, which was something that article totally ignored. I put that in the main section of the article because I feel that is not a peripheral matter. It is my belief that the experience of women in war is just as important as the experience of men in war. What is interesting is that somebody else moved to the section dealing with peripheral matters, which reveals much about what is considered important and unimportant in the war. The center of the article deals with the various battles and campaigns on land and sea, and violence against women is a peripheral matter compared to what is seen as the really important stuff. There is so much of that around here. Because of Austen's sex and her novels feature heroines as the protagonists rather than heroes, she is seen around here as a female theme. Personally, I do not agree with that, but that is how things work around here. Articles dealing with female themes tend to suffer from a certain neglect. Some writing on Austen might be good for the spirit, so I should get back to that article. I would love to read those articles you mentioned and if you could email them to me, I would much appreciate it. Thank you again for your kind words and help. Please have a wonderful day! -- A.S. Brown ( talk) 22:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted your addition as it conflicted with the guidelines for film plot summary word counts established at WP:FILMPLOT. You're welcome to restructure the summary to avoid this conflict, or initiate a discussion at the article's Talk page regarding whether it would be appropriate to waive this guideline. Cheers. DonIago ( talk) 15:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Apparently a 30-day proposal process is required for posts related to Jane Austen on Jane Austen's talk page? I am not sure what all your abbreviations mean. In order to move my work over to the talk page so that the process of review can occur I will need to undo your reversion. I will then copy and paste it to the talk page and then I will try to revert it back. Hopefully that's OK with you. It represents many hours of research and I think it adds value to see four generations rather than just two. Ekvcpa ( talk) 15:35, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comment. Fortunately, I was able to access my work without having to undo your change. I have posted it on the talk page so that the editors do not lose notice of it. I will continue working to obtain alternate sources for the family links/associations listed on the pedigree. Ekvcpa ( talk) 15:58, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
What were you trying to do here? -- John ( talk) 17:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I collected three sources that need to be added to the Bibliography (the monographs and essays section as now organized) in the Jane Austen article. They support the Twain, Scott and See Southam Janeites and Anti-Janeites short cites visible in the reference list that have no long reference in the Bibliography. RexxC added a source to the Bibliography with no furor being raised, but I am not sure I could do that. I did fill in a bare URL reference, author is Linda Robinson Walker added in 2010, in the last hour or two. It is an article in a journal of the Jane Austen Society of North America, so it is likely that will need to be moved to the Bibliography and the short cite altered to match the style of the rest of the article. For now, the filled out reference (long reference) is directly in the article. I should have caught that one earlier. Anyway, the three long references not now in the article in any form are in my Sandbox User:Prairieplant/sandbox for anyone to find. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 07:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey I've lost track of the massive verbiage at Jane Austen. At one point you wrote: " Positive reviews of the current article were made by Bishonen...". This appears directly below something I added that could be summarized as "NPA, please". My comments and yours seem unrelated. Did I stick my comment in the incorrect place, or were you addressing me, or (insert other possibility here)..? Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 04:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
FoP, I've reversed your hatting of the IP's comment. It's inappropriate to hide someone's criticism of you, even more so if you go on to respond to it. The IP has made clear at each point that they're the same person, so their editing logged out is not a problem. SarahSV (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
We never make allegations like the one above directed at Sarah, or this on the talk page. Pinging again Floquenbeam, Johuniq, John. Or anyone else. I must go offline right now for personal reasons. Victoria ( tk) 20:30, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
( ←) I am hoping everyone can work together, eventually, but you don't seem to see that the RfC has not made a cordon sanitaire around any particular disagreement (including specific issue of reference format). I was just (by chance) the first one to start objecting about things. There is a huge set of other objections that must be worked through. The differences between the arguing sides are real and substantial. So for me to talk to Rexx and Prairie would not... I mean, I do not believe it would magically solve anything. I suggest you do three things: 1) Take a deep breath, calm down. 2) Very calmly ask Laser brain if he thinks he can see any way forward, on the two fronts (references, and content) and finally 3) do not argue with his suggestions, or argue with anyone else about anything else. Embrace the wisdom of meta:eventualism. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 17:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
( ←) If you can get Laser to respond to those items here it would be a pleasure to see such comments from an experienced editor such a Laser. It would be very helpful for you to also take a deep and meditative breadth and find that inner strength that will lead you to the always faithful Prairie. I think you would be surprised that he has some very welcoming ideas about completing the cross-citation formatting between Harvard and MLA to your satisfaction which he states is already 95% complete. Just try. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 18:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
In your opinion, it would be ideal to fill in the page with pictures of actors, where there aren't character images available? DARTHBOTTO talk• cont 21:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Please discuss on article talk page. -- Musdan77 ( talk) 02:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Fountains-of-Paris, I'm leaving this note about your reverts at Jane Austen. There are problems with the material you added, and there is consensus on talk that they ought to be fixed. If you revert to your version again, you're likely to be reported to WP:AN/EW for edit-warring (see Wikipedia:Edit warring), or to WP:AN/I for community discussion, where a topic ban might be requested (see Wikipedia:Topic ban). Please note that I'm active on that article as an editor, not as an admin; when I say you might be reported for edit-warring, I mean that you might be reported to an uninvolved admin.
The RfC you started, where you ask for consensus to change the citation style and add templates, has nothing to do with the content issues. It doesn't mean that the content must remain frozen on your version for 30 days.
It's worth noting that you seemed to acknowledge on 1 September (after reverting to your version, then requesting page protection for a second time) that you began the citation-style RfC to halt the removal of the sections you added ("But not section blanking over and over again, especially when an RFC has been opened by me last week to prevent this very issue from re-occurring.") It's also worth noting that you caused a similar problem with multiple RfCs at Johann Sebastian Bach, according to this post from Softlavender (also this AN/I).
I'm sorry to write to you like this, but it's important to make you aware of the steps editors are likely to pursue if the dispute continues. If you disagree with the content changes, please open a section on Talk:Jane Austen and present an argument in support of your version. SarahSV (talk) 23:01, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
You must stop your disruptive editing immediately. I will be requesting admin intervention. -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Agreement with Prairiep on Talk page that editing is out-of-process for the still Open RfC and BRD is invoked. Open RfC is for full CITEVAR for all 300 citations in article from top to bottom. 1RR Caution at RFPP. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 15:04, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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(talk) 15:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Fountains-of-Paris I stopped watching Jane Austen and Reception History and all affiliated articles. Two editors seem to have taken ownership of the articles, understand only each other, revise anything added by another editor or delete it, and have a group of friends to block all reasonable discussion by other editors. They also block the use of reference formats to make the articles easier to read, regardless of their text, and the other advantages of reference formats, especially the Harvard system to link a reference to its full citation in a very long reference list. They are writing for academia in my view, not the usual reader (this article is one good discovery from the whole process WP:RF) and do not know that academia is way ahead of them on software for references, knowing how to use formatted references to meet their own college requirements. I learned a lot from other editors, not those two, which knowledge I will keep using. I still love Jane Austen's books, and will keep reading them, but there is nothing much to love about the articles in Wikipedia about her. I am disappointed to see how that all proceeded, undoing good articles to be *their* good article, if they get so rated again. I have seen debates on Wikipedia before, participated in them, but nothing like that one, in the way high-up editors did not understand the issues and took personal sides. I do hope you edit again, with your positive attitude to encouraging editors to get involved with more topics. Many other editors were rather harsh on you in my view, and I do not see that you merited such treatment. All the best, -- Prairieplant ( talk) 23:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
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I had just asked User:Pacerier to create a discussion page for his proposed merger of Truth and Theory of justification when I noticed you had flagged a similar issue in response to someone else on the talk page. I also noticed people complaining of test edits (ironically on test). Is this editor a low-level vandal? Is there any reason to create the merger talk page, or should I just remove the tags? Thanks — Iadmc ♫ talk 07:39, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Fountains-of-Paris,
In rejecting my repeated reversal of your edits on Plato's Phaedrus, you wrote:
Since I believe that many of Wikipedia's philosophy related articles need improvement, I don't take reversing other editors' contributions lightly. There have to be multiple reasons, but mainly whether the contribution vandalizes the article, makes the article philosophically at odds with accepted professionally published sources, or less readable for casual visitors.
While I am delighted to encounter another person who takes as much pleasure from Plato's works as I do, I'm forced to oppose your edits on all of the above grounds. Of course, if you can find a peer reviewed professional article to support your addition, just as you have stated, then I will back off without further conditions. That cannot be your previous reference to Cooper's Introduction to the Phaedrus which is open in front of me. He says nothing about madness, (Phaedrus 244a ff).
Naturally, these are all based on my personal judgment. However, according to Wikipedia rules for resolving editing conflicts between editors {WP:DR}, you may not insist on changing the article over the other editor's objections, as you are doing. You need to have a consensus of other interested editors first. You don't have that.
Also, please have a look at {WP:NOR} "No original research" for guidelines.
This page in a nutshell: Wikipedia does not publish original thought: all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves. |
BlueMist ( talk) 01:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I have expanded three references in Talk:Phaedrus (dialogue).-- Auró ( talk) 11:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello, are you there? Marlindale ( talk) 01:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
There is no mention of his nickname anywhere in the article. There wasn't any before I added it and there is none after your edits. Gdzlg ( talk) 21:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Johann Sebastian Bach. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Drmies ( talk) 15:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia. You have been disruptively editing Johann Sebastian Bach and Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach against policy, guidelines, and best practices for nearly four months now. Consider this your final warning. Softlavender ( talk) 00:32, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jane Austen you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley ( talk) 20:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
The article Jane Austen you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Jane Austen for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley ( talk) 22:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I note that the close of the contentious RfC for English Democrats is disputed and ask that you unclose the RfC so than an administrator weighing the policy requirements may examine it. Collect ( talk) 22:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. I have not seen the Fischer book but only the online blurb for it that states that "Today only 20 paintings and eight drawings are confidently assigned to Bosch’s oeuvre". Therefore I am not able to assess whether those twenty include any that are disputed by other 21st century scholars. The numbers keep changing, and confidence is relative; maybe "confidently" is the word that's creating difficulty in our article's lede. See here for an example of some recent controversy. The last paragraph describes Matthijs Ilsink, coordinator of the Bosch Research and Conservation Project, as acknowledging "that attributions are always a matter of discussion and debate" and quotes him as saying, "Matters of attribution and the whole picture of what is and what is not by an artist are all relative”. The reason I prefer the less precise "about 25" language is that in this case a little vagueness may be better, and in any case "about 25" is the formulation that shows up again and again in reliable sources. Examples: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], and this one where the number is 24. I have no particular expertise on Bosch; possibly this matter is worth moving to the article's talk page to see what the consensus is. Ewulp ( talk) 03:30, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
The article Jane Austen you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jane Austen for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley ( talk) 14:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi there- the nomination has now been archived, meaning that there's no way for it to continue; you are free to renominate, but you cannot do so for at least two weeks after the archive date unless one of the FA delegates gives you permission (I appreciate that this is frustrating; it's one of the methods used to keep the backlog down). I advise taking the article to peer review before renominating- I'd be willing to take a look through if I can find some time, Tim might be prepared to have another look, other PR/FAC regulars might also drop by. There's also WikiProject Women Writers and associated projects which may well have a number of members prepared to take a look- important topics like this can often motivate people if they are advertised. Josh Milburn ( talk) 15:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Reception history of Jane Austen into Jane Austen. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{ copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. — Diannaa ( talk) 19:30, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for replying your request. But I can not tell the description of The Revenant's accolades, because I'm afraid the other editors blocking my Wikipedia's account again. I'm sorry.
IreneTandry ( talk) 18:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for copy-editing! Minor questions (sorry for going backwards):
@ Gerda Arendt: That is a nice article you have placed for Reger which appears to follow some of the popular Encyclopedia articles available for it on the internet. My small edits were indications of places which might help the narrative flow of your article in the second half of the article. You can change back or modify as needed. The two top issues I would identify are (1) Would the article be easier to read in English if the English translations were the primary source used throughout the article from start to finish, and without the German text in the main article. If needed the German original could be moved to the footnotes as part of the critical apparatus, though they possibly should not be used in the primary text of the English language version of Wikipedia (I would say the exact opposite for the German version of Wikipedia). It is your decision if you prefer an article which is more accessible to read in English, or if you would like to retain the critical apparatus in German as your preference. The second point is (2) Should the article give more attetion to including the full translation into English of the original German poem. The poet's writings have been studied in English [7], though I have not seen a full English translation of this poem which you may or may not have seen in the liner notes of the CD or elsewhere. It may be worth including it fully translated and possibly in 2 column format for English readers. Once you decide if points (1) and (2) and useful, then I can answer your list of questions above. It appears that you may have the full score of the composition in your hands so you have quite an advantage over other editors looking at the article. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 14:47, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your helpful comments. I try again, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I removed your FAC nomination of Sonia Sotomayor as out-of-process. Per the FAC instructions, if you are not one of the significant contributors to the article, you should consult and work with the editors who brought it to its current state before nomination. I don't see where you have done that. Please let me know if you have any questions. -- Laser brain (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
For your very positive encouragements and activities regarding edits to Revenant (which, I acknowledge, is outside my scope of expertise). I will look in again there, but trust the editors committed to the quality of that article to make constructive changes in line with WP:VERIFY (and any other issue raised). With regard, Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 01:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Fountains-of-Paris. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Jane Austen at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Good luck with FA and all the best, Mini apolis 20:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC) |
Dear Founatains, thank so much for your kind words and encouragement. I had not really considered doing a major job on Mansfield Park, but now you have mentioned it, I'll will. Please have a wonderful day and cheers! -- A.S. Brown ( talk) 00:34, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
love and friendship
Thank you for quality contributions to topics of ancient Greek philosophy, drama, and mythology, to Bach and the poetry of Reger's Requiem, for Law's Empire, for adding plot and sounds to Love & Friendship, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:05, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for copyediting and good questions! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1434 of Precious, a prize of QAI! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Two years now! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
... and three! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure if the categories for the article Law's Empire are fitting. They rather categorize the author Ronald Dworkin, so they are rather categories for persons, not for works/books as they should be. Compare e.g. the categories for another work by Dworkin, Taking Rights Seriously. -- Proofreader ( talk) 09:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Dear Fountations, thank you so much for your kind words, which are much appreciated here. The slavery issue also strikes me as very important. This has nothing to do with Austen, but I just finished off watching a documentary on the slave trade. It didn't tell anything that I did not really know, but it did bring home the full horror of the "Middle Passage", as the fact was graphically illustrated that so people died on the slave ships that vast packs of sharks followed the slave ships all the way across the Atlantic to fest on the bodies that got dumped overboard daily. Patrica Rozma is not a historian and her film version of Mansfield Park is really off-base in that she has slave ships operating in the English Channel ca. 1800, which would not had happened for reasons I mentioned in the article, but I do share her outrage at slavery, which was and is such a repulsive and dehumanizing institution (sadly, slavery still exists in parts of the world even today). Rozma's heart is in the right place, she didn't know her history very well. I follow Windshuttle (who is a not Austen scholar, but is a man who does not approve of Said) in that Austen made Sir Thomas a planation owner as a convenient way to get him out of England for a long period of time, not as some sort of attempt to justify slavery. One wishes that Austen had picked another plot device to get Sir Thomas out of England, but that is the one she chose. I am not completely against Said in the sense that his charge of "Orientalism", namely that Westerners liked to depict Islamic civilisations as strange, exotic and timeless does have merit. The point of timelessness is really a way of dismissing Islamic countries and of asserting Western superiority since it is a way of saying the Western nations change and advance while Islamic nations do not. Having said that much, Said really goes too far with his thesis that pretty much everything in the West is rotten. Yes, there are many things like slavery which people should be ashamed of, but there are things to be proud of as well. I stand midway between people like Windshutle, Victor Davis Hanson and Kenneth Clarke for whom the "West is the Best" and people like Said, Frantz Fanon and Vladimir Putin for whom the "West is the worst". It is a really a matter of perspective. For example, the same Britain that produced slavery and the slave trade also produced Austen, Wilberforce and abolitionism, so there are things at one and same time both to loathe and love. Getting back to Mansfield Park, there are number of philosophical points that needed to be addressed as you noted, and I will make that my project for late summer and early fall. I am not ashamed of my sex, but most of the editors here are male, so means that Wikipedia definitely has a build-in andro-centric bias, in that articles on men and what are perceived as male themes tended to much more detailed than articles on women and what are perceived as female themes. For an example, I mentioned in the article on the Russian-Japanese War of 1904-05 that the Russian soldiers often raped Chinese women in Manchuria, which was something that article totally ignored. I put that in the main section of the article because I feel that is not a peripheral matter. It is my belief that the experience of women in war is just as important as the experience of men in war. What is interesting is that somebody else moved to the section dealing with peripheral matters, which reveals much about what is considered important and unimportant in the war. The center of the article deals with the various battles and campaigns on land and sea, and violence against women is a peripheral matter compared to what is seen as the really important stuff. There is so much of that around here. Because of Austen's sex and her novels feature heroines as the protagonists rather than heroes, she is seen around here as a female theme. Personally, I do not agree with that, but that is how things work around here. Articles dealing with female themes tend to suffer from a certain neglect. Some writing on Austen might be good for the spirit, so I should get back to that article. I would love to read those articles you mentioned and if you could email them to me, I would much appreciate it. Thank you again for your kind words and help. Please have a wonderful day! -- A.S. Brown ( talk) 22:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted your addition as it conflicted with the guidelines for film plot summary word counts established at WP:FILMPLOT. You're welcome to restructure the summary to avoid this conflict, or initiate a discussion at the article's Talk page regarding whether it would be appropriate to waive this guideline. Cheers. DonIago ( talk) 15:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Apparently a 30-day proposal process is required for posts related to Jane Austen on Jane Austen's talk page? I am not sure what all your abbreviations mean. In order to move my work over to the talk page so that the process of review can occur I will need to undo your reversion. I will then copy and paste it to the talk page and then I will try to revert it back. Hopefully that's OK with you. It represents many hours of research and I think it adds value to see four generations rather than just two. Ekvcpa ( talk) 15:35, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comment. Fortunately, I was able to access my work without having to undo your change. I have posted it on the talk page so that the editors do not lose notice of it. I will continue working to obtain alternate sources for the family links/associations listed on the pedigree. Ekvcpa ( talk) 15:58, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
What were you trying to do here? -- John ( talk) 17:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I collected three sources that need to be added to the Bibliography (the monographs and essays section as now organized) in the Jane Austen article. They support the Twain, Scott and See Southam Janeites and Anti-Janeites short cites visible in the reference list that have no long reference in the Bibliography. RexxC added a source to the Bibliography with no furor being raised, but I am not sure I could do that. I did fill in a bare URL reference, author is Linda Robinson Walker added in 2010, in the last hour or two. It is an article in a journal of the Jane Austen Society of North America, so it is likely that will need to be moved to the Bibliography and the short cite altered to match the style of the rest of the article. For now, the filled out reference (long reference) is directly in the article. I should have caught that one earlier. Anyway, the three long references not now in the article in any form are in my Sandbox User:Prairieplant/sandbox for anyone to find. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 07:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey I've lost track of the massive verbiage at Jane Austen. At one point you wrote: " Positive reviews of the current article were made by Bishonen...". This appears directly below something I added that could be summarized as "NPA, please". My comments and yours seem unrelated. Did I stick my comment in the incorrect place, or were you addressing me, or (insert other possibility here)..? Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 04:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
FoP, I've reversed your hatting of the IP's comment. It's inappropriate to hide someone's criticism of you, even more so if you go on to respond to it. The IP has made clear at each point that they're the same person, so their editing logged out is not a problem. SarahSV (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
We never make allegations like the one above directed at Sarah, or this on the talk page. Pinging again Floquenbeam, Johuniq, John. Or anyone else. I must go offline right now for personal reasons. Victoria ( tk) 20:30, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
( ←) I am hoping everyone can work together, eventually, but you don't seem to see that the RfC has not made a cordon sanitaire around any particular disagreement (including specific issue of reference format). I was just (by chance) the first one to start objecting about things. There is a huge set of other objections that must be worked through. The differences between the arguing sides are real and substantial. So for me to talk to Rexx and Prairie would not... I mean, I do not believe it would magically solve anything. I suggest you do three things: 1) Take a deep breath, calm down. 2) Very calmly ask Laser brain if he thinks he can see any way forward, on the two fronts (references, and content) and finally 3) do not argue with his suggestions, or argue with anyone else about anything else. Embrace the wisdom of meta:eventualism. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 17:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
( ←) If you can get Laser to respond to those items here it would be a pleasure to see such comments from an experienced editor such a Laser. It would be very helpful for you to also take a deep and meditative breadth and find that inner strength that will lead you to the always faithful Prairie. I think you would be surprised that he has some very welcoming ideas about completing the cross-citation formatting between Harvard and MLA to your satisfaction which he states is already 95% complete. Just try. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 18:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
In your opinion, it would be ideal to fill in the page with pictures of actors, where there aren't character images available? DARTHBOTTO talk• cont 21:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Please discuss on article talk page. -- Musdan77 ( talk) 02:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Fountains-of-Paris, I'm leaving this note about your reverts at Jane Austen. There are problems with the material you added, and there is consensus on talk that they ought to be fixed. If you revert to your version again, you're likely to be reported to WP:AN/EW for edit-warring (see Wikipedia:Edit warring), or to WP:AN/I for community discussion, where a topic ban might be requested (see Wikipedia:Topic ban). Please note that I'm active on that article as an editor, not as an admin; when I say you might be reported for edit-warring, I mean that you might be reported to an uninvolved admin.
The RfC you started, where you ask for consensus to change the citation style and add templates, has nothing to do with the content issues. It doesn't mean that the content must remain frozen on your version for 30 days.
It's worth noting that you seemed to acknowledge on 1 September (after reverting to your version, then requesting page protection for a second time) that you began the citation-style RfC to halt the removal of the sections you added ("But not section blanking over and over again, especially when an RFC has been opened by me last week to prevent this very issue from re-occurring.") It's also worth noting that you caused a similar problem with multiple RfCs at Johann Sebastian Bach, according to this post from Softlavender (also this AN/I).
I'm sorry to write to you like this, but it's important to make you aware of the steps editors are likely to pursue if the dispute continues. If you disagree with the content changes, please open a section on Talk:Jane Austen and present an argument in support of your version. SarahSV (talk) 23:01, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
You must stop your disruptive editing immediately. I will be requesting admin intervention. -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Agreement with Prairiep on Talk page that editing is out-of-process for the still Open RfC and BRD is invoked. Open RfC is for full CITEVAR for all 300 citations in article from top to bottom. 1RR Caution at RFPP. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 15:04, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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(talk) 15:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Fountains-of-Paris I stopped watching Jane Austen and Reception History and all affiliated articles. Two editors seem to have taken ownership of the articles, understand only each other, revise anything added by another editor or delete it, and have a group of friends to block all reasonable discussion by other editors. They also block the use of reference formats to make the articles easier to read, regardless of their text, and the other advantages of reference formats, especially the Harvard system to link a reference to its full citation in a very long reference list. They are writing for academia in my view, not the usual reader (this article is one good discovery from the whole process WP:RF) and do not know that academia is way ahead of them on software for references, knowing how to use formatted references to meet their own college requirements. I learned a lot from other editors, not those two, which knowledge I will keep using. I still love Jane Austen's books, and will keep reading them, but there is nothing much to love about the articles in Wikipedia about her. I am disappointed to see how that all proceeded, undoing good articles to be *their* good article, if they get so rated again. I have seen debates on Wikipedia before, participated in them, but nothing like that one, in the way high-up editors did not understand the issues and took personal sides. I do hope you edit again, with your positive attitude to encouraging editors to get involved with more topics. Many other editors were rather harsh on you in my view, and I do not see that you merited such treatment. All the best, -- Prairieplant ( talk) 23:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
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I had just asked User:Pacerier to create a discussion page for his proposed merger of Truth and Theory of justification when I noticed you had flagged a similar issue in response to someone else on the talk page. I also noticed people complaining of test edits (ironically on test). Is this editor a low-level vandal? Is there any reason to create the merger talk page, or should I just remove the tags? Thanks — Iadmc ♫ talk 07:39, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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