Sigh. Why can't people agree to disagree reasonably? I wish he didn't try so hard to show how right I am and end up redacted because of it, because that means he's going to really blow up now, most likely.
I mean, I can see where you are coming from, the abundance of sources means we are unlikely to do harm— but I still can't figure out where there is any sort of putative gain to the article parroting the information. And I do see the great harm that can be done by leaving it here; both as a magnet for vendettas (I think we're seeing some of that now) and as a source of libel (people, no matter how wrong, read "suspected of X" as "definitely guilty of X", no matter how wrong— it's not a mystery that "tried in the press" is a common idiom).
If the suspect was independently notable, I'd understand. If he was an adult, I'd be less inclined to be protective. But since, to date, the only response to the question "what does it add to the article" asked (and not only by me) has been along the lines of "It's obvious!" or "Are you kidding"... a great deal of indignation and no substance.
At this point, I'm not going to be swimming upstream for no good reason; defending someone (rightly) unpopular like that kid is painting a needless bullseye on one's forehead, and I'll soon get accusations of defending the suspect's actions flying. I'd rather this didn't degenerate so much. — Coren (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll thank you not to warn me inappropriately, or threaten me with blocks again. It has been several hours since I stated unequivicoally that I wouldn't be referring to the young man [redacted] as a "cold-blooded killer", no matter the facts in evidence, or my personal views. Your after-the-fact warning, and inappropriate threats of block (they're preventative not punitive) will be removed as soon as I finish posting here. Bellwether B C 01:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
On this occasion, your RfB did not succeed. I hope that you will continue your contribution to Wikipedia and may consider standing again in future. Remember, a significant majority of editors commenting did support your nomination. Warofdreams talk 10:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the week long block was the right way to go. LC's being contentious to be sure and maybe even baiting you, but he at least seems to tacitly acknowledge error on his part. See my comments at User_talk:Locke_Cole#Blocked. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 15:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Neil, sorry about your RfB not passing. I thought that, as you've never received one, you might like the admins' T-shirt. Better luck next time, and best wishes. Acalamari 17:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
It is quite difficult to pass RFBs, don't feel disheartened. My advice is to keep contributing and take on-board the comments made, I look forward to hopefully being able to support next time if you run again. Good luck! Camaron | Chris (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, since you closed the move discussion "NVIDIA" -> " Nvidia" about a month ago, could you drop by Talk:Nvidia#Requested move 3 and review if there is any merit in a move request back to "NVIDIA" that soon? – Cyrus XIII ( talk) 18:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I realized today that it's going to take another few weeks for anyone to look at Bertrand Russell for GA review, and further that having a GA under my belt really has very little influence on being an administrator, i.e., none. If you are still willing to nominate me for adminship, I feel I am ready for another RfA. Thanks. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 20:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I started a project I think you might be interested in. Seeing as it's detrimental to the Wikipedia project, I think the involvement of as many users as possible is essential. Equazcion •✗/ C • 14:20, 9 Mar 2008 (UTC)
...as referencey. Will ( talk) 19:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Neil, I know you missed out and that's crap, you'd make a splendid 'crat.. As I'm sure you know, my RfB was a success. I just wanted to say thanks for your support and I wanted to offer you my full support when you next head to the dead zone known as WP:RFB. The Rambling Man ( talk) 21:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hallo Neil, you've recently removed a neutrality template which I had added to an article as well as information from this article with the reason given
For the neutrality template: I believe that I've tried to explain why this article is currently not neutral (if it ever was) on the talk page, for example at Talk:Alfred-Maurice de Zayas#Neutrality template. The concrete reason why I think the template should stay is that a user or group of other users, first under account user:Gancefort, and now under several IPs is trying to remove the mentioning of the birthdates and a critical review which I had (re-)added first here. For the information about a prize: The purpose of wikipedia is to provide facts. I'm not sure how problems can be solved by silencing important facts. Further, if we remove facts which could turn out unpleasent for a certain point of view, then only the "pleasent" prizes would stay, and the article could become even more non-neutral. Greetings, -- Schwalker ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Hi Schwalker. Okay. Firstly, the neutrality template. See Wikipedia:BLP#Privacy_of_birthdays. The birth date will not be re-added to the article, and if that's the reason for the neutrality template, it really should not be there. This edit ( [1]) is telling - you seem to want de Zayas labeled as a revisionist. Any such claim will need multiple very reliable sources. Such a notable figure's being a revisionist would not be confined to one cherry-picked review from an online discussion forum ( [2]), unless the claim was a nonsense. This is also, I believe, why you want the award from the Ingolstadt Research Institute for Contemporary History included, and to describe them as a "far-right revisionist group". I can't find any evidence of this being the case. I find evidence of their being revisionist (eg [3]), but not "far right". You say "I'm not sure how problems can be solved by silencing important facts". The onus is upon you to show how the group is important and hence if their award deserves mention - do they have an article? A useful and typical cut-off point for whether awards should be included on an English Wikipedia biography is whether the awarding group has an article. 08:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC) (copied preceding contribution by User:Neil from my talk-page, -- Schwalker ( talk) 09:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC))
(preceding contribution by User:Neil copied from my talk-page, -- Schwalker ( talk) 12:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC))
Greeting -- Schwalker ( talk) 12:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Neil, can you please have a look on this article again. IPs and Users are deleting the birthday date and place which was published in different sources in Germany. If I would now start to edit and revert that again, this would end in an edit war. Kind regards -- KarlV ( talk) 10:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Dear Neil, KarlV has evidently something against de Zayas. If you look at the German Wiki article and the archived sections, you will see that he has some one hundred entries, all of them pretending to suggest that de Zayas is a right winger (notwithstanding the fact that de Zayas is member of many left-wing and left-leaning organizations, as can be seen in his private website). KarlV has been caught with his pants down citing wrong sources. For instance, with regard to the book "Wehrmacht Untersuchungsstelle", he pretends that it has been disproven by scholars (notwithstanding the fact that the book was brilliantly reviewed by Christopher Greenwood in the Cambridge Law Journal, by Andreas Hillgruber in the Historische Zeitschrift, and that it is currently being used by the International Committee of the Red Cross in its trainings on international humanitarian law). When you look at the source proferred by KarlV, you find out that it is a single footnote in an article about something else (written by Juergen Wieland, a former prosecutor in the German Democratic Republic, and certainly not a "scholar", but a political activist in the "antifa" movement). Now, the footnote by Wieland refers to three sources. If you look at those three sources, you discover that they do not mention "Wehrmacht Untersuchungsstelle" at all, or de Zayas, or his methodology. Only one of the sources mentions a book review that de Zayas wrote in the 1970s in the American Journal of International Law. Still, KarlV and another fellow called Giro have managed to keep that wrong information in the German Wiki article, which is currently "gesperrt". Countless Wiki-Users have corrected KarlV and Giro, and yet they do not give up. Such Wiki-Users should be permanently blocked from meddling with Wiki. Evidently they have a political agenda. It is rather disingenous of KarlV to point out that he is only adding place and date of birth. If you look at his sources, you realize that they are rather obscure and not in the "public domain" in the sense of generally available information. It is not important to divulge the complete date of birth of an individual. Nor for that matter the place of birth. If you look at the "bios" that appear in any of de Zayas' books -- Nemesis at Potsdam (Routledge), the German expellees (Macmillan), A Terrible Revenge (St. Martin's Press), The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau (University of Nebraska Press), Heimatrecht ist Menschenrecht (Universitas), Human Rights in the Administration of Criminal Justice (Transnational Publishers), Rainer Maria Rilke: Larenopfer (Red Hen Press, Los Angeles), etc. etc. you will not find this information. In the Gernman wiki KarlV pretends that de Zayas is the great-grandson of Alfredo de Zayas y Alfonso, Cuba's fourth republican President. Now, who cares who his great-grandfather was or wasn't? The addition of this information is probably only intended to suggest that the books of de Zayas are somehow not neutral because of his family background. This information, if correct, could of course be included in the Wiki. But it is certainly not particularly important, nor is it crucial to put it at the very top of the article. Another Wiki user, Schwalker, keeps taking out the comments of other Wiki users (just look at the history, how often he undoes the work of others). Schwalker seems obsessed with citing "Blick nach Rechts", a left-wing fringe organisation today associated with the Social Democratic Party of Germany and notorious for defaming CDU and CSU politicians. It is a muckraking outfit that tries to suggest that CDU and CSU parlamentarians have a "Nazi past" -- and it monitors any statement that does not conform with extreme left wing perspectives on history or current affairs. Wiki users in Great Britain, Ireland, US have no clue that this Blick nach Rechts was founded and financed with monies from the "Stasi" the secret service of the German Democratic Republic (remenmber the 2007 film "Das Leben der Anderen" on the life of a Stasi agent, which got the Oscar for best foreign film) and that even today BNR gives you links to all sorts of extreme left wing organizations in Germany and Austria. Information that appears in Blick nach Rechts is certainly not for the Wiki, except to illustrate the manipulations of media in public discourse. But Schwalker does not claim that BNR directly attacks de Zayas. He notes that BNR attacks the Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle, a conservative think tank in Germany, which gave an award to de Zayas in 2001. Thus, indirectly, if the Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle is defamed, some of the dirt passes on to de Zayas. Maybe you should consider blocking Schwalker for a while, especially for his repeated erasing of other users' contributions. A reader from Ireland 84.203.178.18 ( talk) 07:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
(thanks template expunged to User talk:Neil/RFA spam)
Ah, us two of the unpopular opinions! Maybe next time around? :) ~ Riana ⁂ 13:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Neil, I read this post of yours on George's talk page about the Mackan block. In it you note an apology, which I have yet to see. Would you please tell me where this apology has been made? Thanks, Jay*Jay ( talk) 12:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Neil. I can't find a reason for the deletion of the Blood Electrification article, performed by you on Dec 21st, 2007. I can't find a reason for deletion, and, strangely enough, it can't find it on the Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 21. What happened ?
If possible, can you reply via e-mail to gusmolina at gmail.com ?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gusmolina ( talk • contribs) 06:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Please can you unlock your move lock on Jordans, Buckinghamshire. If you do I give you my word as a trusted editor that I will not move it to Jordans which was the basis of the dispute. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems that there are a lot of references missing and that those which are there are in various formats. Help! : )-- Beth Wellington ( talk) 18:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your support :-). I'd rather not have any of my map contributions on Wikipedia anymore. I genuinely wish to have them removed. I went into the IRC chat room after being more confused after reading the articles on deletion. A couple of users said placing Db-g7 on there would do the job. Apparently not though since Bibliomaniac15 removed my request for deletion with no reason or explanation given whatsoever. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks. Justin Morris ( talk, contributions) 14:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Neil
I thought that was an elegant closing rationale you used to close this AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Additional reading on Liberalism and also a good way to handle the article. I had it watchlisted as I had intended to !vote in that AfD, but got backlogged. Nice job. If we are going to rant about what we think are poor admin actions, then we should also point out the particularly good ones also. Regards, — Becksguy ( talk) 19:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick note, not sure if it has any bearing on anything. The article lived there once before and got moved back. Also, in the process of the nomination, because the author kept removing the AfD notice he was banned. (Permanently, which I personally thought was very heavy-handed. A one week block would have made more sense.) You might consider removing his ban since otherwise the chances of anyone else working on the article are slim. Scott.wheeler ( talk) 20:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for unblocking the user. I had second thoughts myself. Though in my defence, I had originally given him/her a 15 min block plus an escalating series of warnings. When an IP account threatened to carry on the behaviour using 300 possible IP addresses. I had enough. Thank you for closing the AfD and re-instating the user. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 21:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
You guys are rather forgiving, I think. A threat to misbehave with 300 IP addresses seems worthy of an longish block for that alone. Although not for the bibliography, and the unblocking for that seems fair based on rationale. Regards — Becksguy ( talk) 19:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please could you take a look at my comments on Talk:Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation? special, random, Merkinsmum 23:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
If you've read the discussion, then you'd notice that I was part of the discussion. No concensus had been reached. So unless you can prove your point of view, other than by "it looks right", I will stick to my point of view, which I have written about on the discussion page. To reiterate, the question revolves around "From out of the Rain", where the object is "Rain" vs "From Out of the Rain", where the object is "Out of the Rain". Within the context of the episode, the line that refers to the title is "They came from out of the rain", where the sentence breaks down as "They came [from out of] [the rain]." DonQuixote ( talk) 12:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Happy to let you handle this one, if it sounds to you that any action is needed. EdJohnston ( talk) 13:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
A group of editors have developed a version of an article [6] that meets all Wikipedia policies and standards. However, one editor keeps on reverting it to a version that he wrote months ago and refuses to discuss his changes on the talk page. [7] One group says that the other group are "sockpuppets." The other group says that the first group are "meatpuppets." Why can't someone read both articles a pick one article as a starting point from which to make further improvements? Please help. 207.91.86.2 ( talk) 15:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashion fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Wikipedia a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot ( talk) 13:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
Does PC78's latest edit count as canvassing? It's pretty clear with Harries being transsexual, may find a number of LBGT type peeps suddenly voting to keep... Minkythecat ( talk) 09:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Er, sorry about that. I wasn't aware there was a five day rule at all, actually. Could you point me to the relevant policy? Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 18:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations on having an awesome and perfect edit summary. [10] -- SEWilco ( talk) 20:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Now at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lists#List_of_Systems_Biology_Research_Groups. Neıl ☎ 15:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Hi Neil, I'd like an admin's perspective on this 'cause I'm confused. Also, the AFD page needs to be fixed I think. I nominated this page for deletion on the basis of, well, you can see my criteria. It's based on discussion here and here. I'm asking you 'cause I remember you answered an AFD question for me a while back, but we don't know each other really beyond that, and you seem to be heavy into AFD discussion. Anyway, User:Mdd moved the page here, which is OK I guess, and since its out of mainspace I unlinked it. My basic thought process is here along with Mdd's thoughts on the matter. I think it's a valid resource for the wikiproject, but moving it there really defeats the purpose of the AFD - if stand-alone lists of external links only are valid. Irrespective, the AFD needs to be fixed. Your thoughts? My ultimate goal is a bit more clarity from the Lists pages since I find them unclear. Anyway, thanks for any input. WLU ( talk) 00:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hello. In the deletion log for Image:Perkinsus marinus.png I note that you mentioned "(Replaceable fair use image)". I was wondering if you could specify which image to use as a replacement to illustrate the Perkinsus marinus article, since that article no longer has an image. Which replacement should now be used? Thank you very much. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 03:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for suggesting what looks like a great microbiological electron microscope. I suspect you are right in that it will help to more easily reproduce the image that was deleted from the P. marinus article. Please feel free to post your suggestions over at Talk:Perkinsus marinus and help those people improve that article.
Oh, by the way, the image that you deleted is not covered by Canadian
Crown copyright,
rather, it is licensed separately by Fisheries and Oceans Canada under:
"Fisheries and Oceans Canada - Important Notices". Retrieved 2008-04-11. (et
"Pêches et Océans Canada - Avis importants" (in Français). Retrieved 2008-04-11.{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (
link) ) which mentions the following terms explicitly:
Information on this site, other than government symbols, has been posted with the intent that it be readily available for personal and public non-commercial use and may be reproduced, in part or in whole and by any means, without charge or further permission from Fisheries and Oceans Canada. We ask only that:
- Users exercise due diligence in ensuring the accuracy of the materials reproduced;
- Fisheries and Oceans Canada be identified as the source department; and
- The reproduction is not represented as an official version of the materials reproduced, nor as having been made, in affiliation with or with the endorsement of Fisheries and Oceans Canada.
From which I infer that the Canadian (Department of) Fisheries and Oceans will not attempt to sue Wikipedia off the internet if you choose to restore the image for use in illustrating the Perkinsus marinus article. Among other things the article does not do any of the things prevented by the license and does follow the proscriptions mentioned therein. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 16:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, Neil, I'm game. explain to me why you feel the Ibiza tagging doesn't inspire people to actually add citations more than a general 'uncited' tag slapped at the top of the article. I mean, I am tempted to simply go through and remove uncited info (much of it being such since the article's creation in '05). I am going to revert your removal but will wait until the conclusion of discussion either here or in the article discussion before proceeding beyond that. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Different article, different situation, as I am sure you are well aware of, having had your works taken out of context as well. Btw, since we are being all pally and whatnot, you can keep calling me chief and I'll call you sport. How's that? I've responded to your comments on Ibiza talk. I greatly look forward to your reasoned, experienced reply on how to fix the situation. Please note that anotehr call for me to roll up my own sleves when you apparently cannot be troubled to do so yourself will likely be taken in a poor light. Seeya there, sport. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Neil -- what's up here? Avb 22:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
My RFA that you weighed in on earlier has closed as no consensus to promote, at a final tally of 120/47/13. I thank you for your feedback and comments there, and I'm going to be considering all the various advice and comments presented. I might end up at RFA again some day, or not. If you see me there again in the future, perhaps you might consider a Support !vote. If not, not, and no hard feelings. The pen is still mightier than the mop! See you around, and thanks again. Lawrence § t/ e 18:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Classic :D. At least we're using Wikipedia Review for the purposes it's supposed to be for (theoretically) and not for whining because we were banned. Sceptre ( talk) 14:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand your actions here. There was certainly no clearly expressed consensus -- especially since one of the "delete" editors in effect claimed that Random House, one of the English-language world's major publishers, was a "vanity press" -- which I would think indicates the opinion should have been ignored. I also do not see why you summarily deleted the article on her recent book -- independent third party reviews have appeared recently -- for a book published only two weeks ago -- providing the necessary indicia of notability. Please review and reverse your actions here. Minos P. Dautrieve ( talk) 03:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Neil. I've corrected a misconception of yours here. It's a minor thing, but I'd still quite like to see a response from you. I try to be careful when I post on ANI (or anywhere, for that matter), and it's not really nice to be so cavalierly cast as careless/deceitful/biased, etc. Bishonen | talk 17:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC).
Hello, I see that you live in Chester and that you work for local government. I've tried in the past to email Chester District to ask a question about the civil parishes in the district, but got no answer. Would you know who might be the best person to email to get a response? (I want to know about certain parishes which seem to exist at the moment, from information I have in a number of sources, but which don't appear to have any parish councils or meetings, and do not apparently have any joint council meetings with neighbouring parishes. They don't sometimes appear on government sites that supply various census figures, either.) I want to do this, so that we in the Cheshire WikiProject can complete our coverage of all civil parishes in the county before the local government changes come into force in the next year or so. Now, I know it is a large request, but would you be able to point me in the right direction to a person who could spare some time answering a question along the lines I've mentioned? Many thanks, either way. DDStretch (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey,
How can i setup a background on my userpage like you do? Cheers, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Energizer07 ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
The user User:201.230.126.147 has been going through the Madonna tour pages The Girlie Show Tour, Drowned World Tour and Confessions Tour and adding random Madonna songs to the setlists and against the current accurate ones. JWAD ( talk
Sigh. Why can't people agree to disagree reasonably? I wish he didn't try so hard to show how right I am and end up redacted because of it, because that means he's going to really blow up now, most likely.
I mean, I can see where you are coming from, the abundance of sources means we are unlikely to do harm— but I still can't figure out where there is any sort of putative gain to the article parroting the information. And I do see the great harm that can be done by leaving it here; both as a magnet for vendettas (I think we're seeing some of that now) and as a source of libel (people, no matter how wrong, read "suspected of X" as "definitely guilty of X", no matter how wrong— it's not a mystery that "tried in the press" is a common idiom).
If the suspect was independently notable, I'd understand. If he was an adult, I'd be less inclined to be protective. But since, to date, the only response to the question "what does it add to the article" asked (and not only by me) has been along the lines of "It's obvious!" or "Are you kidding"... a great deal of indignation and no substance.
At this point, I'm not going to be swimming upstream for no good reason; defending someone (rightly) unpopular like that kid is painting a needless bullseye on one's forehead, and I'll soon get accusations of defending the suspect's actions flying. I'd rather this didn't degenerate so much. — Coren (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll thank you not to warn me inappropriately, or threaten me with blocks again. It has been several hours since I stated unequivicoally that I wouldn't be referring to the young man [redacted] as a "cold-blooded killer", no matter the facts in evidence, or my personal views. Your after-the-fact warning, and inappropriate threats of block (they're preventative not punitive) will be removed as soon as I finish posting here. Bellwether B C 01:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
On this occasion, your RfB did not succeed. I hope that you will continue your contribution to Wikipedia and may consider standing again in future. Remember, a significant majority of editors commenting did support your nomination. Warofdreams talk 10:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the week long block was the right way to go. LC's being contentious to be sure and maybe even baiting you, but he at least seems to tacitly acknowledge error on his part. See my comments at User_talk:Locke_Cole#Blocked. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 15:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Neil, sorry about your RfB not passing. I thought that, as you've never received one, you might like the admins' T-shirt. Better luck next time, and best wishes. Acalamari 17:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
It is quite difficult to pass RFBs, don't feel disheartened. My advice is to keep contributing and take on-board the comments made, I look forward to hopefully being able to support next time if you run again. Good luck! Camaron | Chris (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, since you closed the move discussion "NVIDIA" -> " Nvidia" about a month ago, could you drop by Talk:Nvidia#Requested move 3 and review if there is any merit in a move request back to "NVIDIA" that soon? – Cyrus XIII ( talk) 18:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I realized today that it's going to take another few weeks for anyone to look at Bertrand Russell for GA review, and further that having a GA under my belt really has very little influence on being an administrator, i.e., none. If you are still willing to nominate me for adminship, I feel I am ready for another RfA. Thanks. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 20:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I started a project I think you might be interested in. Seeing as it's detrimental to the Wikipedia project, I think the involvement of as many users as possible is essential. Equazcion •✗/ C • 14:20, 9 Mar 2008 (UTC)
...as referencey. Will ( talk) 19:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Neil, I know you missed out and that's crap, you'd make a splendid 'crat.. As I'm sure you know, my RfB was a success. I just wanted to say thanks for your support and I wanted to offer you my full support when you next head to the dead zone known as WP:RFB. The Rambling Man ( talk) 21:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hallo Neil, you've recently removed a neutrality template which I had added to an article as well as information from this article with the reason given
For the neutrality template: I believe that I've tried to explain why this article is currently not neutral (if it ever was) on the talk page, for example at Talk:Alfred-Maurice de Zayas#Neutrality template. The concrete reason why I think the template should stay is that a user or group of other users, first under account user:Gancefort, and now under several IPs is trying to remove the mentioning of the birthdates and a critical review which I had (re-)added first here. For the information about a prize: The purpose of wikipedia is to provide facts. I'm not sure how problems can be solved by silencing important facts. Further, if we remove facts which could turn out unpleasent for a certain point of view, then only the "pleasent" prizes would stay, and the article could become even more non-neutral. Greetings, -- Schwalker ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Hi Schwalker. Okay. Firstly, the neutrality template. See Wikipedia:BLP#Privacy_of_birthdays. The birth date will not be re-added to the article, and if that's the reason for the neutrality template, it really should not be there. This edit ( [1]) is telling - you seem to want de Zayas labeled as a revisionist. Any such claim will need multiple very reliable sources. Such a notable figure's being a revisionist would not be confined to one cherry-picked review from an online discussion forum ( [2]), unless the claim was a nonsense. This is also, I believe, why you want the award from the Ingolstadt Research Institute for Contemporary History included, and to describe them as a "far-right revisionist group". I can't find any evidence of this being the case. I find evidence of their being revisionist (eg [3]), but not "far right". You say "I'm not sure how problems can be solved by silencing important facts". The onus is upon you to show how the group is important and hence if their award deserves mention - do they have an article? A useful and typical cut-off point for whether awards should be included on an English Wikipedia biography is whether the awarding group has an article. 08:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC) (copied preceding contribution by User:Neil from my talk-page, -- Schwalker ( talk) 09:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC))
(preceding contribution by User:Neil copied from my talk-page, -- Schwalker ( talk) 12:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC))
Greeting -- Schwalker ( talk) 12:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Neil, can you please have a look on this article again. IPs and Users are deleting the birthday date and place which was published in different sources in Germany. If I would now start to edit and revert that again, this would end in an edit war. Kind regards -- KarlV ( talk) 10:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Dear Neil, KarlV has evidently something against de Zayas. If you look at the German Wiki article and the archived sections, you will see that he has some one hundred entries, all of them pretending to suggest that de Zayas is a right winger (notwithstanding the fact that de Zayas is member of many left-wing and left-leaning organizations, as can be seen in his private website). KarlV has been caught with his pants down citing wrong sources. For instance, with regard to the book "Wehrmacht Untersuchungsstelle", he pretends that it has been disproven by scholars (notwithstanding the fact that the book was brilliantly reviewed by Christopher Greenwood in the Cambridge Law Journal, by Andreas Hillgruber in the Historische Zeitschrift, and that it is currently being used by the International Committee of the Red Cross in its trainings on international humanitarian law). When you look at the source proferred by KarlV, you find out that it is a single footnote in an article about something else (written by Juergen Wieland, a former prosecutor in the German Democratic Republic, and certainly not a "scholar", but a political activist in the "antifa" movement). Now, the footnote by Wieland refers to three sources. If you look at those three sources, you discover that they do not mention "Wehrmacht Untersuchungsstelle" at all, or de Zayas, or his methodology. Only one of the sources mentions a book review that de Zayas wrote in the 1970s in the American Journal of International Law. Still, KarlV and another fellow called Giro have managed to keep that wrong information in the German Wiki article, which is currently "gesperrt". Countless Wiki-Users have corrected KarlV and Giro, and yet they do not give up. Such Wiki-Users should be permanently blocked from meddling with Wiki. Evidently they have a political agenda. It is rather disingenous of KarlV to point out that he is only adding place and date of birth. If you look at his sources, you realize that they are rather obscure and not in the "public domain" in the sense of generally available information. It is not important to divulge the complete date of birth of an individual. Nor for that matter the place of birth. If you look at the "bios" that appear in any of de Zayas' books -- Nemesis at Potsdam (Routledge), the German expellees (Macmillan), A Terrible Revenge (St. Martin's Press), The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau (University of Nebraska Press), Heimatrecht ist Menschenrecht (Universitas), Human Rights in the Administration of Criminal Justice (Transnational Publishers), Rainer Maria Rilke: Larenopfer (Red Hen Press, Los Angeles), etc. etc. you will not find this information. In the Gernman wiki KarlV pretends that de Zayas is the great-grandson of Alfredo de Zayas y Alfonso, Cuba's fourth republican President. Now, who cares who his great-grandfather was or wasn't? The addition of this information is probably only intended to suggest that the books of de Zayas are somehow not neutral because of his family background. This information, if correct, could of course be included in the Wiki. But it is certainly not particularly important, nor is it crucial to put it at the very top of the article. Another Wiki user, Schwalker, keeps taking out the comments of other Wiki users (just look at the history, how often he undoes the work of others). Schwalker seems obsessed with citing "Blick nach Rechts", a left-wing fringe organisation today associated with the Social Democratic Party of Germany and notorious for defaming CDU and CSU politicians. It is a muckraking outfit that tries to suggest that CDU and CSU parlamentarians have a "Nazi past" -- and it monitors any statement that does not conform with extreme left wing perspectives on history or current affairs. Wiki users in Great Britain, Ireland, US have no clue that this Blick nach Rechts was founded and financed with monies from the "Stasi" the secret service of the German Democratic Republic (remenmber the 2007 film "Das Leben der Anderen" on the life of a Stasi agent, which got the Oscar for best foreign film) and that even today BNR gives you links to all sorts of extreme left wing organizations in Germany and Austria. Information that appears in Blick nach Rechts is certainly not for the Wiki, except to illustrate the manipulations of media in public discourse. But Schwalker does not claim that BNR directly attacks de Zayas. He notes that BNR attacks the Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle, a conservative think tank in Germany, which gave an award to de Zayas in 2001. Thus, indirectly, if the Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle is defamed, some of the dirt passes on to de Zayas. Maybe you should consider blocking Schwalker for a while, especially for his repeated erasing of other users' contributions. A reader from Ireland 84.203.178.18 ( talk) 07:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Ah, us two of the unpopular opinions! Maybe next time around? :) ~ Riana ⁂ 13:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Neil, I read this post of yours on George's talk page about the Mackan block. In it you note an apology, which I have yet to see. Would you please tell me where this apology has been made? Thanks, Jay*Jay ( talk) 12:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Neil. I can't find a reason for the deletion of the Blood Electrification article, performed by you on Dec 21st, 2007. I can't find a reason for deletion, and, strangely enough, it can't find it on the Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 21. What happened ?
If possible, can you reply via e-mail to gusmolina at gmail.com ?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gusmolina ( talk • contribs) 06:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Please can you unlock your move lock on Jordans, Buckinghamshire. If you do I give you my word as a trusted editor that I will not move it to Jordans which was the basis of the dispute. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems that there are a lot of references missing and that those which are there are in various formats. Help! : )-- Beth Wellington ( talk) 18:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your support :-). I'd rather not have any of my map contributions on Wikipedia anymore. I genuinely wish to have them removed. I went into the IRC chat room after being more confused after reading the articles on deletion. A couple of users said placing Db-g7 on there would do the job. Apparently not though since Bibliomaniac15 removed my request for deletion with no reason or explanation given whatsoever. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks. Justin Morris ( talk, contributions) 14:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Neil
I thought that was an elegant closing rationale you used to close this AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Additional reading on Liberalism and also a good way to handle the article. I had it watchlisted as I had intended to !vote in that AfD, but got backlogged. Nice job. If we are going to rant about what we think are poor admin actions, then we should also point out the particularly good ones also. Regards, — Becksguy ( talk) 19:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick note, not sure if it has any bearing on anything. The article lived there once before and got moved back. Also, in the process of the nomination, because the author kept removing the AfD notice he was banned. (Permanently, which I personally thought was very heavy-handed. A one week block would have made more sense.) You might consider removing his ban since otherwise the chances of anyone else working on the article are slim. Scott.wheeler ( talk) 20:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for unblocking the user. I had second thoughts myself. Though in my defence, I had originally given him/her a 15 min block plus an escalating series of warnings. When an IP account threatened to carry on the behaviour using 300 possible IP addresses. I had enough. Thank you for closing the AfD and re-instating the user. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 21:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
You guys are rather forgiving, I think. A threat to misbehave with 300 IP addresses seems worthy of an longish block for that alone. Although not for the bibliography, and the unblocking for that seems fair based on rationale. Regards — Becksguy ( talk) 19:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please could you take a look at my comments on Talk:Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation? special, random, Merkinsmum 23:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
If you've read the discussion, then you'd notice that I was part of the discussion. No concensus had been reached. So unless you can prove your point of view, other than by "it looks right", I will stick to my point of view, which I have written about on the discussion page. To reiterate, the question revolves around "From out of the Rain", where the object is "Rain" vs "From Out of the Rain", where the object is "Out of the Rain". Within the context of the episode, the line that refers to the title is "They came from out of the rain", where the sentence breaks down as "They came [from out of] [the rain]." DonQuixote ( talk) 12:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Happy to let you handle this one, if it sounds to you that any action is needed. EdJohnston ( talk) 13:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
A group of editors have developed a version of an article [6] that meets all Wikipedia policies and standards. However, one editor keeps on reverting it to a version that he wrote months ago and refuses to discuss his changes on the talk page. [7] One group says that the other group are "sockpuppets." The other group says that the first group are "meatpuppets." Why can't someone read both articles a pick one article as a starting point from which to make further improvements? Please help. 207.91.86.2 ( talk) 15:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashion fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Wikipedia a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot ( talk) 13:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
Does PC78's latest edit count as canvassing? It's pretty clear with Harries being transsexual, may find a number of LBGT type peeps suddenly voting to keep... Minkythecat ( talk) 09:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Er, sorry about that. I wasn't aware there was a five day rule at all, actually. Could you point me to the relevant policy? Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 18:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations on having an awesome and perfect edit summary. [10] -- SEWilco ( talk) 20:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Now at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lists#List_of_Systems_Biology_Research_Groups. Neıl ☎ 15:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Hi Neil, I'd like an admin's perspective on this 'cause I'm confused. Also, the AFD page needs to be fixed I think. I nominated this page for deletion on the basis of, well, you can see my criteria. It's based on discussion here and here. I'm asking you 'cause I remember you answered an AFD question for me a while back, but we don't know each other really beyond that, and you seem to be heavy into AFD discussion. Anyway, User:Mdd moved the page here, which is OK I guess, and since its out of mainspace I unlinked it. My basic thought process is here along with Mdd's thoughts on the matter. I think it's a valid resource for the wikiproject, but moving it there really defeats the purpose of the AFD - if stand-alone lists of external links only are valid. Irrespective, the AFD needs to be fixed. Your thoughts? My ultimate goal is a bit more clarity from the Lists pages since I find them unclear. Anyway, thanks for any input. WLU ( talk) 00:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hello. In the deletion log for Image:Perkinsus marinus.png I note that you mentioned "(Replaceable fair use image)". I was wondering if you could specify which image to use as a replacement to illustrate the Perkinsus marinus article, since that article no longer has an image. Which replacement should now be used? Thank you very much. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 03:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for suggesting what looks like a great microbiological electron microscope. I suspect you are right in that it will help to more easily reproduce the image that was deleted from the P. marinus article. Please feel free to post your suggestions over at Talk:Perkinsus marinus and help those people improve that article.
Oh, by the way, the image that you deleted is not covered by Canadian
Crown copyright,
rather, it is licensed separately by Fisheries and Oceans Canada under:
"Fisheries and Oceans Canada - Important Notices". Retrieved 2008-04-11. (et
"Pêches et Océans Canada - Avis importants" (in Français). Retrieved 2008-04-11.{{
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: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (
link) ) which mentions the following terms explicitly:
Information on this site, other than government symbols, has been posted with the intent that it be readily available for personal and public non-commercial use and may be reproduced, in part or in whole and by any means, without charge or further permission from Fisheries and Oceans Canada. We ask only that:
- Users exercise due diligence in ensuring the accuracy of the materials reproduced;
- Fisheries and Oceans Canada be identified as the source department; and
- The reproduction is not represented as an official version of the materials reproduced, nor as having been made, in affiliation with or with the endorsement of Fisheries and Oceans Canada.
From which I infer that the Canadian (Department of) Fisheries and Oceans will not attempt to sue Wikipedia off the internet if you choose to restore the image for use in illustrating the Perkinsus marinus article. Among other things the article does not do any of the things prevented by the license and does follow the proscriptions mentioned therein. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 16:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, Neil, I'm game. explain to me why you feel the Ibiza tagging doesn't inspire people to actually add citations more than a general 'uncited' tag slapped at the top of the article. I mean, I am tempted to simply go through and remove uncited info (much of it being such since the article's creation in '05). I am going to revert your removal but will wait until the conclusion of discussion either here or in the article discussion before proceeding beyond that. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Different article, different situation, as I am sure you are well aware of, having had your works taken out of context as well. Btw, since we are being all pally and whatnot, you can keep calling me chief and I'll call you sport. How's that? I've responded to your comments on Ibiza talk. I greatly look forward to your reasoned, experienced reply on how to fix the situation. Please note that anotehr call for me to roll up my own sleves when you apparently cannot be troubled to do so yourself will likely be taken in a poor light. Seeya there, sport. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Neil -- what's up here? Avb 22:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
My RFA that you weighed in on earlier has closed as no consensus to promote, at a final tally of 120/47/13. I thank you for your feedback and comments there, and I'm going to be considering all the various advice and comments presented. I might end up at RFA again some day, or not. If you see me there again in the future, perhaps you might consider a Support !vote. If not, not, and no hard feelings. The pen is still mightier than the mop! See you around, and thanks again. Lawrence § t/ e 18:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Classic :D. At least we're using Wikipedia Review for the purposes it's supposed to be for (theoretically) and not for whining because we were banned. Sceptre ( talk) 14:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand your actions here. There was certainly no clearly expressed consensus -- especially since one of the "delete" editors in effect claimed that Random House, one of the English-language world's major publishers, was a "vanity press" -- which I would think indicates the opinion should have been ignored. I also do not see why you summarily deleted the article on her recent book -- independent third party reviews have appeared recently -- for a book published only two weeks ago -- providing the necessary indicia of notability. Please review and reverse your actions here. Minos P. Dautrieve ( talk) 03:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Neil. I've corrected a misconception of yours here. It's a minor thing, but I'd still quite like to see a response from you. I try to be careful when I post on ANI (or anywhere, for that matter), and it's not really nice to be so cavalierly cast as careless/deceitful/biased, etc. Bishonen | talk 17:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC).
Hello, I see that you live in Chester and that you work for local government. I've tried in the past to email Chester District to ask a question about the civil parishes in the district, but got no answer. Would you know who might be the best person to email to get a response? (I want to know about certain parishes which seem to exist at the moment, from information I have in a number of sources, but which don't appear to have any parish councils or meetings, and do not apparently have any joint council meetings with neighbouring parishes. They don't sometimes appear on government sites that supply various census figures, either.) I want to do this, so that we in the Cheshire WikiProject can complete our coverage of all civil parishes in the county before the local government changes come into force in the next year or so. Now, I know it is a large request, but would you be able to point me in the right direction to a person who could spare some time answering a question along the lines I've mentioned? Many thanks, either way. DDStretch (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey,
How can i setup a background on my userpage like you do? Cheers, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Energizer07 ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
The user User:201.230.126.147 has been going through the Madonna tour pages The Girlie Show Tour, Drowned World Tour and Confessions Tour and adding random Madonna songs to the setlists and against the current accurate ones. JWAD ( talk