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You reverted some contributions I did in the article of Buenos Aires. Please, before saying that was "vandalism" try be polite to let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Km9 ( talk • contribs) 04:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey Fercho85, how you doing, here Moebiusuibeom-en, in regards to Buenos Aires-Rosario-Córdoba high-speed railway, why did you remove Cañada de Gómez station and link, please note that "stations are speculative", it's most likely this station will be included as preliminarie plans indicate, Cañada de Gómez has always been a very important nucleus towards Carlos Pellegrini and all southern central fertile plains of the province of Santa Fé, if you need further information feel free to contact me, meanwhile, i have reversed said change – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 04:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Fercho85; excelente colaboración que hicistes en Tranvía del Este y Tram | South America, Argentina, y las fotos esta extraordinarias, muy bien – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 03:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Fercho85, agregue una de tus fotos a Puerto Madero sin consultar, espero estes de acuerdo, yo no soy el de saturar articulos con info no apropiada pero para que PM se encaje y sobreponga entre los mejores, creo que no hay problema. Ahora para balancear tenemos que remplazar una de las imagenes de los rascacielos por una de las arterias de PM lleno de gente y bullicio, –, ¡avisame que te parece! Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 03:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Fercho85, no offense, because i want Argentina to be repositioned as a was a good article nominee
I enhanced «image wise» the Layout of Article, witch suffered from
A proposito Fercho85, la excelente imagen del tranvia y tus fotografias te las he halagado anteriormente pero no refleja la Argentina actual ya que es solo 2 km y el sistema tranviriario no esta desparramado por toda la ciudad contrario a lo que refleja la imagen - Saludos – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 18:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
¿Podrías decirme a qué se debe este insulto? -- the Dúnadan 23:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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I would have to ask you to please stop vandalizing the articles related to Argentine demographics. You are deleting paragraphs with reliable and verified sources claiming that to say that there are Amerindians in Argentine's ancestry is "racist". Please read WP:CITE, WP:NPOV and WP:OR. You must provide a reliable source that claims that a research conducted by the University of Buenos Aires and endorsed by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology of the Argentine Government is racist. If you insist in reverting without complying with Wikipedia's policies, I would call the attention of an administrator. -- the Dúnadan 15:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Fercho85, como estas! En referencia al mensaje de arriba que te dirigi el 1 de febrero sobre las alteraciones que hicistes en la página de ARGENTINA, sección: Transportation, sobre tu pregunta: Why did you change all the images? it was ok the way it was, ¿¿como lo arreglamos??, y plise, dame la oportunidad de organizar la misma – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 00:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
¿Que paso con el excelente mapa (TDESTE4.jpg) que colocastes en Tranvía del Este? Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 00:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Fercho85; ¿¿Porque quitastes la imagen del Colectivo que puse en el articulo de Buenos Aires??, me tome el tiempo, escribi sobre el Colectivo que estaba inexistente, coloque la imagen, puse los links al la página de Colectivo pero no, la cambiastes por una foto que esta en todos lados, ya te lo dije anteriormente, variedad es bueno, ahora tenemos el mismo colectivo en el articulo de Baires, y cuando haces el Link hacia Colectivo ahi esta nuevamente, y se repite por otros lados, ya te explique arriva sobre la redundancia. Ademas cada vez que hago algo vas y lo cambias, yo siempre me he comunicado contigo sobre los cambios, trabajemos en conjunto! , y en otras, muy bien por el mapa del Tranvía del Este ~ Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 20:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Estimado amigo, el articulo " Buenos Aires-Rosario-Córdoba high-speed railway" no tiene nada que ver con la linea TAVe Mar del Plata asi que parafrase tu valiosa informacion en una sección aparte dentro del articulo: " The Mar del Plata connection", Saludos ~ Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 23:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Si tenes razon yo no me di cuenta.. y agrege como si fuera toda una sola linea..que bien que te diste cuenta si no yo ya metia que iba de cordoba a mar del plata. Un Abrazo Fercho85 04:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Gracias por poner mas información in el articulo " Italian settlement in Argentina". La información es muy buena. Lehoiberri ( talk) 19:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Fercho85, copy edits by "newcomer" 67.224.161.28 looked fine to me, will adjust them somewhat, cheers ~ Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 00:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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The article was vandalised only by you
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See Diff. Jeepday ( talk) 19:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Response at my talk Jeepday ( talk) 19:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Your copy and paste of the translation of elements of the Racism in Argentina into the White Argentina Policy article strikes me as dishonest and downright deceitful, particularly in the way you changed the occasional word (incorrectly, I might add) to make it appear different. Vrac ( talk) 03:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
While it seems you are mostly interested in the topics of your own homecountry, mostly related to Demography and Ethnography; I noticed two unusual contributions at Demographics of Mexico:
Assuming good faith as you recently, or sporadically delve into other Latin American countries'—or rather, Mexico's—demographic or economic indicators, I reverted both edits based on the following grounds:
Being an admin at ca.wiki most of my edits are related to Spain/Catalonia, but after a stalemate in heated discussions, I decided to delve into Latin American topics, starting with Mexico. Nonetheless—and since Economics and History are my area of interest and expertise—I would be more that happy to participate and coordinate projects with you in articles related to Argentina. Feel free to contact me.
Cheers, -- the Dúnadan 13:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
--Dear Dunadan I agree with you, the only reason I made the recently edits is because I noticied that in Demography of Mexico there was not a poverty index that is why I added this source. I should 've added the standard of life and poverty part into Economy of Mexico.
Yes, it is true that I mostly make edits in argentina's articles might be patriotism or something I don't know, but more recently I am seeking to make edits in other articles besise Argentina's, (eg demographics and history of Uruguay, Mexico etc). Nonetheless (your key word) I still remember the "heated discutions" that we had but well, lets leave the past behind and why not work together as you say on different articles.
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Hey Fercho85, how you doing, nice input you've did on Buenos Aires; Transportation, did some adjustments and also shortened a bit, i hope you agree, you had Tram systems in several places and grouped them together, also changed Underground for Metro, and Tram for Light Rail since its more appealing world wide, greetings, Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 21:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Moebiusuibeom-en since you wrote to me in english I will talk to you in the same language.. Firstly I personally agree with you in changing Metro to Underground, nonetheless the term was not wrong, regarding the term tram I think it is better to change it by light rail since tram is "a railborne vehicle, lighter than a train, designed for the transport of passengers (and/or, very occasionally, freight) within, close to, or between villages, towns and/or cities, primarily on streets" whereas light rail "is a form of urban rail public transportation that generally has a lower capacity and lower speed than heavy rail and metro systems" Finally I will reorder the pictures if you don't agree please let me know.. -- Fercho85 ( talk) 21:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Voseo is used in places like Honduras and Guatemala as much as in Argentina, its the language of the people all over. Not quite sure why you are disputing this. Que le vaya bien. Thanks, SqueakBox 22:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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Hey, I just noticed your RfA. Sorry you weren't accepted- but do not dispair! Your edits are constructive and the material always relevant- all you need is required experience. Best of luck next time, Dionix ( talk) 21:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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Fercho85,
Thank you for responding to me, My main trouble with this situation is that Amerindian facts are left out of Argentine articles. It is not about just the study. The European place in Argentina's popultion is always stated, why not the Amerindian? Many Argentines I know, are not of pure European descent. Many claim their Indian ancestors as well... Yet none of the articles say anything about it, It plainly gives the percentage as 97% European descended. Period. Argentina is a Latin American country. When it was conquered Indians intermarried with Whites.. as in most of our countries (U.S., Mexico, Chile, etc.). Many "Criollos" had Indian ancestry, but it was hidden beneath a vail of whiteness..(Colonial Mentality), much like some are attempting with these on-line articles. I ask only for fair representation of Amerindian descendency and influences. Thank You. Cali567 ( talk) 07:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fercho. Just for your info, I used the symbol "~" to denote "approximately". Perhaps its use is too esoteric for an international audience, but I wanted to convey that the number is really "plus or minus". Anyways, it doesn't really matter as I'm sure some anon will soon again change the numbers :). Have a great weekend, Dionix ( talk) 23:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, I saw the ethnicity section and its fine, especially you included the study to prevent complaints and edit wars.
I haven't quit on Wikipedia. I know some users are annoying and using that study to say Argentines are mestizos. But if you read the study well, it say 56% of Argentines have one indigenous ancestor. Which also means the other ancestors are European. According to the old Caste System, Argentines are not Mestizo nor Castizo. If that study is correct, that make 56% of Argentines are around 10~1% indigenous.
Anyways, Thanks for the message. Lehoiberri ( talk) 21:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
While I appreciate your endeavors in trying to improve the paragraph and reach a consensus in the article of Argentina, I further improved your edits by fixing some sentences whose language was not "encyclopedic" or had weasel words due to using "general" terms instead of detailed terms. I think your improvement, plus my improvement (two parties working on it) are a good consensus. I find it disappointing that you reverted my edits entirely and called it again "improvement".
By the way, I am not citing the entire study; the entire study contains a lot more information that is not even explained in Demographics of Argentina. In fact, due to the fact that the study is not thoroughly explained on either article, users get the wrong conclusions (like the one above by Lehoiberri). The study is measuring admixture, and not the number of ancestors; in fact, the study does not even say that 56% of Argentines have one Amerindian ancestor, but rather that 56% have Amerindian ancestry regardless of the number of ancestors (or the extent of the Amerindian contribution).
I though that was clear enough by now, since I have explained it several times, and with much detail at Talk:Argentina. However, based on Lehoiberri's comment above, it seems the difference is still not fully understood. That is why we need to use language that is precise. (Which doesn't mean extensive, in fact, the paragraph is quite short, and accurate, and precise, a perfect combination). If we are precise, we avoid edit wars; if we are not precise, or if we use general or weasel words, the section is prone to edit warring. I hope you understand this too.
Looking forward to hearing your comments, -- the Dúnadan 21:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
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Fercho85, What will it take for you to see the truth? You are one of the only users to revert these edits. Are you uneasy with the fact that your friends, or even you, may have Amerindian blood? This study was done in Argentina itself. What more do you want? This will be added in this article. It may reverted by you, but it will be added, despite your fake "consensus", as long as I am a Wikipedia User. All Important information should be stated. Argentines know they may have Indian blood, and it will be stated in their articles. Thank you so much. Cali567 ( talk) 06:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Where/When did you take the picture to the right? (Which city in Chiapas?) I am trying to identify, based on the dresses, the indigenous group the girls belong to. Your first tag identified them as Maya (Maya is not a single ethnic group in Mexico, but a family of ethnic groups), but I am even thinking they might be Nahua. Can you shed some light on this? -- the Dúnadan 03:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It looks like the second flag is an Argentine flag except with a dragon instead of a sun. Is that actually so? Marnanel ( talk) 13:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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Hello there,
I was wondering if you had any further information on the Welsh in Argentina?
A subject being considered controversial by some doesn’t make it taboo for all. And as far as the discussion goes I can see two people with opposing view points and a third agreeing to keep this information. Even Ale4117, the contributor who initially argued against this phrase, seems to be willing to allow it. The consensus so far is on the side of keeping the information in place. If you have any other arguments that haven’t been touched and wish to give your opinion on why this concise piece of information should not be included, I suggest you use the article’s talk page.
Likeminas ( talk) 19:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The consensus that you mentioned is so far not clear in the article. Moreover, the references cited by the author do not have enough weight to be at the same level of results achieved through scientific methods. The results of Dr. Corach, which you completely have deleted from the paragraph, are definitely conclusives and opposed to the collective belief (without scientific basis) transmitted from generation to generation, that its population is mostly of European ancestry without "mestizaje" with Amerindians.
Surveys based on self-identification are the result of the subjectivity of the moment. Diferents results may be obtained every single time. In contrast, scientific research of Dr. Corach was done following a scientific method, that is, if somebody wants to repeat the study, he, she, or they will have very similar or the same conclusion.
The true is diferent wich you probably would like to hear: At least 56% of its population has Amerindian ancestry or what is the same: most of the argentinian have amerindian ancestry and are the product of the "mestizaje". The genetic does not lies when is used to prove paternity, or to discover a murderer, or to identify a body. It produces conclusive evidence in any trial into the territory of the Republic, like in this situation. -- echidna2007 ( talk) 10:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
An original photo of a native of Argentina is better than showing an amatuer photo of children at a party. This section is not about just White, Mestizo, Indian or Black Argentines... it is about ALL of them. Using pictures of all the groups would actually be better. Cali567 ( talk) 05:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there some place where there is an actual discussion about User:Cali567's edits? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Do not call content disputes like this vandalism. I have blocked him for a short while on the warring, but right now, if you do not start using the talk page, YOU will be blocked as well. In fact, I don't see a single edit to Talk:Demographics of Argentina as all. Why is that? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Fercho:
Thank you for your warm welcome.
I must admit I've been editing Wikipedia pages for a few months now and that I've noticed some of your contributions, as well. Those of us who, either by birth of by family ties, take an interest in Argentina are lucky to have you around here in wikiland. Your edits are always timely, relevant, well-sourced and, above all, considerate of others.
I don't need to tell you that these are qualities not everyone here shares and, though Wikipedia policies won't allow for its mention, pettiness and malice can lurk behind many of these disruptive edits. It's part of our human nature, after all.
We have this much on our side: said individuals can provide no good reason to do what they do and this makes them vandals.
Again, thanks for your time and trouble, Fercho. I hope to hear from you sometime.
My regards, 76.174.124.198 ( talk) 11:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
PS: If I'm ever down in Buenos Aires and if you'd like, I'll let you know. We should have lunch.
Hello. On December 30, 2008 you added a lot of important and usefull information the the article Córdoba, Argentina. At two places that information contained the reference <ref name="OBSCAP07"/>. This is a reference that was specified somewhere else inside the article you copied the information from. Would you please be so kind to tell me where you copied it from, so that I could fix this reference. Alternatively, you could do this yourself. You may leave your answer here, I'll be waiting. Thank you. Debresser ( talk) 12:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Fercho:
Soy hijo de Argentinos y es, por lo tanto, un placer dirigirme a vos (te tutéo, esta bien?).
Segun consta aquí, el 86% de la población Argentina es de ascendencia Européa, lo que difiere levemente con su ultima contribución. Note que la población Arabe no estaría incluida en este porcentage, dado que serían (estríctamente hablando) "blancos," pero no "Européos."
De más esta decir que las cifras difieren ridículamente poco, pero quisiera evitar problemas, si puedo. No dudo que dejar el "90%," más alla de ser una exageración, resultaría imposiblemente provocante hacia muchos (quienes luego - como ya sabés - se deléitan en retaliar con ese "estudio" tomado en los hospitales públicos, pretendiendo ser representativo del país en su conjunto). Si bien existe una aserción del Anuario Estadístico CIA al efecto de que el "97%" sería clasificable así, lo poco serio de ese guarismo se cáe de su propio peso, creo.
Lamentablemente, el censo Argentino se niega a requerír auto-descripcíon étnica alguna (salvo los cuestionarios especiales dirigidos a la población indígena, claro). Hasta que así sea, nos tendríamos que conformar con los sondeos internacionales más creíbles. Espero que te haya persuadido en ese sentido, que sinceramente creo que sería el más equánime (sí, soy de Libra).
Salvo serias objeciones tuyas, corregiré por ahora la cifra (citando una mera "desavenencia con la fuente"). Te propongo entonces una mira pragmatica al asunto, en pos de evitar peléas con terceros.
Comunícate con migo al respecto, o por cuálquier otro asunto.
Un mate,
Sherlock4000 ( talk) 06:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Hola Fercho, te recomiendo que traduzcas directamente el artículo que está en Español y listo. Avisame cualquier cosa. Saludos. Alakasam ( talk) 19:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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Fercho:
It's good hearing from you, again.
You asked me about recent changes and, well, you might recall I once wrote to you regarding the need to keep Argentine ethnic structure numbers to what was both sourced and credible. Trust me, I value your edits and really would rather not change "86.7" to "86.4" - but I've found that adherence to the source is very important when dealing with that most contentious of statistics (for the sake of preventing second-guessing by third parties). Remember also that Arab folks are "white," though not of "European" descent (though many today live in Europe, certainly).
I've supported the use of "8%" when counting mestizos because, you see, if the source lists "6.5%" of that group and "3.4% Amerindians," the total count of 10% squares with the INDEC quote of 1.6% Amerindians - if the difference can be counted as mestizos (when someone in that group is not a full-blooded Amerindian, he or she is almost certainly mestizo).
Let's not forget, Fercho. A quoted total of 10% between these two groups is, in today's Argentina, conservative. The source is, however, the only one with a realistic ethnic breakdown of the country. INDEC data is also included in the calculation, since, as you pointed out, worldstatesmen.org's "3.4%" is poorly sourced. While we're parsing numbers, of course, contributors to other Latin American pages insert the "whitest" figures they can find, just as soon as they can locate them - I realize that. It would be the equivalent of someone insisting on a "97% white" figure for Argentina; but I think it speaks well of Argentines and Argentine-Americans that we'd rather not resort to the same, generally.
Again, it's good to hear from you. I gathered from your user page that you live in Buenos Aires and, if so, let me commend you for being one of only a very few Argentines (living in Argentina) that can truly edit in English, competently. Don't get me wrong - effort counts, though it's nice when someone can do that without it needing lots of copy-editing.
Let's keep in touch.
Your friend, Sherlock4000 ( talk) 08:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
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Fercho:
How've you been? I need a favor.
Recently, I created an English-language article on the Argentine Industrial Union, and I've been trying to illustrate it with an image of their heaquarters, from Flickr. Unfortunately and for the first time, I've been unable to upload it (a problem with the ever-popular Bryan's upload server,I think).
When you get the chance, could please try to upload this into Commons?
Please contact me if you can't, or if anything turned out.
Thanks, Fercho. Take care.
Sherlock4000 ( talk) 04:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
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Que buenas! Gracias. - steventity ( talk) 02:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
You reverted some contributions I did in the article of Buenos Aires. Please, before saying that was "vandalism" try be polite to let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Km9 ( talk • contribs) 04:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey Fercho85, how you doing, here Moebiusuibeom-en, in regards to Buenos Aires-Rosario-Córdoba high-speed railway, why did you remove Cañada de Gómez station and link, please note that "stations are speculative", it's most likely this station will be included as preliminarie plans indicate, Cañada de Gómez has always been a very important nucleus towards Carlos Pellegrini and all southern central fertile plains of the province of Santa Fé, if you need further information feel free to contact me, meanwhile, i have reversed said change – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 04:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Fercho85; excelente colaboración que hicistes en Tranvía del Este y Tram | South America, Argentina, y las fotos esta extraordinarias, muy bien – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 03:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Fercho85, agregue una de tus fotos a Puerto Madero sin consultar, espero estes de acuerdo, yo no soy el de saturar articulos con info no apropiada pero para que PM se encaje y sobreponga entre los mejores, creo que no hay problema. Ahora para balancear tenemos que remplazar una de las imagenes de los rascacielos por una de las arterias de PM lleno de gente y bullicio, –, ¡avisame que te parece! Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 03:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Fercho85, no offense, because i want Argentina to be repositioned as a was a good article nominee
I enhanced «image wise» the Layout of Article, witch suffered from
A proposito Fercho85, la excelente imagen del tranvia y tus fotografias te las he halagado anteriormente pero no refleja la Argentina actual ya que es solo 2 km y el sistema tranviriario no esta desparramado por toda la ciudad contrario a lo que refleja la imagen - Saludos – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 18:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
¿Podrías decirme a qué se debe este insulto? -- the Dúnadan 23:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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I would have to ask you to please stop vandalizing the articles related to Argentine demographics. You are deleting paragraphs with reliable and verified sources claiming that to say that there are Amerindians in Argentine's ancestry is "racist". Please read WP:CITE, WP:NPOV and WP:OR. You must provide a reliable source that claims that a research conducted by the University of Buenos Aires and endorsed by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology of the Argentine Government is racist. If you insist in reverting without complying with Wikipedia's policies, I would call the attention of an administrator. -- the Dúnadan 15:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Fercho85, como estas! En referencia al mensaje de arriba que te dirigi el 1 de febrero sobre las alteraciones que hicistes en la página de ARGENTINA, sección: Transportation, sobre tu pregunta: Why did you change all the images? it was ok the way it was, ¿¿como lo arreglamos??, y plise, dame la oportunidad de organizar la misma – Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 00:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
¿Que paso con el excelente mapa (TDESTE4.jpg) que colocastes en Tranvía del Este? Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 00:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Fercho85; ¿¿Porque quitastes la imagen del Colectivo que puse en el articulo de Buenos Aires??, me tome el tiempo, escribi sobre el Colectivo que estaba inexistente, coloque la imagen, puse los links al la página de Colectivo pero no, la cambiastes por una foto que esta en todos lados, ya te lo dije anteriormente, variedad es bueno, ahora tenemos el mismo colectivo en el articulo de Baires, y cuando haces el Link hacia Colectivo ahi esta nuevamente, y se repite por otros lados, ya te explique arriva sobre la redundancia. Ademas cada vez que hago algo vas y lo cambias, yo siempre me he comunicado contigo sobre los cambios, trabajemos en conjunto! , y en otras, muy bien por el mapa del Tranvía del Este ~ Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 20:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Estimado amigo, el articulo " Buenos Aires-Rosario-Córdoba high-speed railway" no tiene nada que ver con la linea TAVe Mar del Plata asi que parafrase tu valiosa informacion en una sección aparte dentro del articulo: " The Mar del Plata connection", Saludos ~ Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 23:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Si tenes razon yo no me di cuenta.. y agrege como si fuera toda una sola linea..que bien que te diste cuenta si no yo ya metia que iba de cordoba a mar del plata. Un Abrazo Fercho85 04:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Gracias por poner mas información in el articulo " Italian settlement in Argentina". La información es muy buena. Lehoiberri ( talk) 19:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Fercho85, copy edits by "newcomer" 67.224.161.28 looked fine to me, will adjust them somewhat, cheers ~ Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 00:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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The article was vandalised only by you
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See Diff. Jeepday ( talk) 19:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Response at my talk Jeepday ( talk) 19:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Your copy and paste of the translation of elements of the Racism in Argentina into the White Argentina Policy article strikes me as dishonest and downright deceitful, particularly in the way you changed the occasional word (incorrectly, I might add) to make it appear different. Vrac ( talk) 03:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
While it seems you are mostly interested in the topics of your own homecountry, mostly related to Demography and Ethnography; I noticed two unusual contributions at Demographics of Mexico:
Assuming good faith as you recently, or sporadically delve into other Latin American countries'—or rather, Mexico's—demographic or economic indicators, I reverted both edits based on the following grounds:
Being an admin at ca.wiki most of my edits are related to Spain/Catalonia, but after a stalemate in heated discussions, I decided to delve into Latin American topics, starting with Mexico. Nonetheless—and since Economics and History are my area of interest and expertise—I would be more that happy to participate and coordinate projects with you in articles related to Argentina. Feel free to contact me.
Cheers, -- the Dúnadan 13:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
--Dear Dunadan I agree with you, the only reason I made the recently edits is because I noticied that in Demography of Mexico there was not a poverty index that is why I added this source. I should 've added the standard of life and poverty part into Economy of Mexico.
Yes, it is true that I mostly make edits in argentina's articles might be patriotism or something I don't know, but more recently I am seeking to make edits in other articles besise Argentina's, (eg demographics and history of Uruguay, Mexico etc). Nonetheless (your key word) I still remember the "heated discutions" that we had but well, lets leave the past behind and why not work together as you say on different articles.
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Hey Fercho85, how you doing, nice input you've did on Buenos Aires; Transportation, did some adjustments and also shortened a bit, i hope you agree, you had Tram systems in several places and grouped them together, also changed Underground for Metro, and Tram for Light Rail since its more appealing world wide, greetings, Moebiusuibeom-en ( talk) 21:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Moebiusuibeom-en since you wrote to me in english I will talk to you in the same language.. Firstly I personally agree with you in changing Metro to Underground, nonetheless the term was not wrong, regarding the term tram I think it is better to change it by light rail since tram is "a railborne vehicle, lighter than a train, designed for the transport of passengers (and/or, very occasionally, freight) within, close to, or between villages, towns and/or cities, primarily on streets" whereas light rail "is a form of urban rail public transportation that generally has a lower capacity and lower speed than heavy rail and metro systems" Finally I will reorder the pictures if you don't agree please let me know.. -- Fercho85 ( talk) 21:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Voseo is used in places like Honduras and Guatemala as much as in Argentina, its the language of the people all over. Not quite sure why you are disputing this. Que le vaya bien. Thanks, SqueakBox 22:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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Fercho85,
Thank you for responding to me, My main trouble with this situation is that Amerindian facts are left out of Argentine articles. It is not about just the study. The European place in Argentina's popultion is always stated, why not the Amerindian? Many Argentines I know, are not of pure European descent. Many claim their Indian ancestors as well... Yet none of the articles say anything about it, It plainly gives the percentage as 97% European descended. Period. Argentina is a Latin American country. When it was conquered Indians intermarried with Whites.. as in most of our countries (U.S., Mexico, Chile, etc.). Many "Criollos" had Indian ancestry, but it was hidden beneath a vail of whiteness..(Colonial Mentality), much like some are attempting with these on-line articles. I ask only for fair representation of Amerindian descendency and influences. Thank You. Cali567 ( talk) 07:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Fercho. Just for your info, I used the symbol "~" to denote "approximately". Perhaps its use is too esoteric for an international audience, but I wanted to convey that the number is really "plus or minus". Anyways, it doesn't really matter as I'm sure some anon will soon again change the numbers :). Have a great weekend, Dionix ( talk) 23:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, I saw the ethnicity section and its fine, especially you included the study to prevent complaints and edit wars.
I haven't quit on Wikipedia. I know some users are annoying and using that study to say Argentines are mestizos. But if you read the study well, it say 56% of Argentines have one indigenous ancestor. Which also means the other ancestors are European. According to the old Caste System, Argentines are not Mestizo nor Castizo. If that study is correct, that make 56% of Argentines are around 10~1% indigenous.
Anyways, Thanks for the message. Lehoiberri ( talk) 21:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
While I appreciate your endeavors in trying to improve the paragraph and reach a consensus in the article of Argentina, I further improved your edits by fixing some sentences whose language was not "encyclopedic" or had weasel words due to using "general" terms instead of detailed terms. I think your improvement, plus my improvement (two parties working on it) are a good consensus. I find it disappointing that you reverted my edits entirely and called it again "improvement".
By the way, I am not citing the entire study; the entire study contains a lot more information that is not even explained in Demographics of Argentina. In fact, due to the fact that the study is not thoroughly explained on either article, users get the wrong conclusions (like the one above by Lehoiberri). The study is measuring admixture, and not the number of ancestors; in fact, the study does not even say that 56% of Argentines have one Amerindian ancestor, but rather that 56% have Amerindian ancestry regardless of the number of ancestors (or the extent of the Amerindian contribution).
I though that was clear enough by now, since I have explained it several times, and with much detail at Talk:Argentina. However, based on Lehoiberri's comment above, it seems the difference is still not fully understood. That is why we need to use language that is precise. (Which doesn't mean extensive, in fact, the paragraph is quite short, and accurate, and precise, a perfect combination). If we are precise, we avoid edit wars; if we are not precise, or if we use general or weasel words, the section is prone to edit warring. I hope you understand this too.
Looking forward to hearing your comments, -- the Dúnadan 21:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
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Fercho85, What will it take for you to see the truth? You are one of the only users to revert these edits. Are you uneasy with the fact that your friends, or even you, may have Amerindian blood? This study was done in Argentina itself. What more do you want? This will be added in this article. It may reverted by you, but it will be added, despite your fake "consensus", as long as I am a Wikipedia User. All Important information should be stated. Argentines know they may have Indian blood, and it will be stated in their articles. Thank you so much. Cali567 ( talk) 06:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Where/When did you take the picture to the right? (Which city in Chiapas?) I am trying to identify, based on the dresses, the indigenous group the girls belong to. Your first tag identified them as Maya (Maya is not a single ethnic group in Mexico, but a family of ethnic groups), but I am even thinking they might be Nahua. Can you shed some light on this? -- the Dúnadan 03:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It looks like the second flag is an Argentine flag except with a dragon instead of a sun. Is that actually so? Marnanel ( talk) 13:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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Hello there,
I was wondering if you had any further information on the Welsh in Argentina?
A subject being considered controversial by some doesn’t make it taboo for all. And as far as the discussion goes I can see two people with opposing view points and a third agreeing to keep this information. Even Ale4117, the contributor who initially argued against this phrase, seems to be willing to allow it. The consensus so far is on the side of keeping the information in place. If you have any other arguments that haven’t been touched and wish to give your opinion on why this concise piece of information should not be included, I suggest you use the article’s talk page.
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The consensus that you mentioned is so far not clear in the article. Moreover, the references cited by the author do not have enough weight to be at the same level of results achieved through scientific methods. The results of Dr. Corach, which you completely have deleted from the paragraph, are definitely conclusives and opposed to the collective belief (without scientific basis) transmitted from generation to generation, that its population is mostly of European ancestry without "mestizaje" with Amerindians.
Surveys based on self-identification are the result of the subjectivity of the moment. Diferents results may be obtained every single time. In contrast, scientific research of Dr. Corach was done following a scientific method, that is, if somebody wants to repeat the study, he, she, or they will have very similar or the same conclusion.
The true is diferent wich you probably would like to hear: At least 56% of its population has Amerindian ancestry or what is the same: most of the argentinian have amerindian ancestry and are the product of the "mestizaje". The genetic does not lies when is used to prove paternity, or to discover a murderer, or to identify a body. It produces conclusive evidence in any trial into the territory of the Republic, like in this situation. -- echidna2007 ( talk) 10:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
An original photo of a native of Argentina is better than showing an amatuer photo of children at a party. This section is not about just White, Mestizo, Indian or Black Argentines... it is about ALL of them. Using pictures of all the groups would actually be better. Cali567 ( talk) 05:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there some place where there is an actual discussion about User:Cali567's edits? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Do not call content disputes like this vandalism. I have blocked him for a short while on the warring, but right now, if you do not start using the talk page, YOU will be blocked as well. In fact, I don't see a single edit to Talk:Demographics of Argentina as all. Why is that? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Fercho:
Thank you for your warm welcome.
I must admit I've been editing Wikipedia pages for a few months now and that I've noticed some of your contributions, as well. Those of us who, either by birth of by family ties, take an interest in Argentina are lucky to have you around here in wikiland. Your edits are always timely, relevant, well-sourced and, above all, considerate of others.
I don't need to tell you that these are qualities not everyone here shares and, though Wikipedia policies won't allow for its mention, pettiness and malice can lurk behind many of these disruptive edits. It's part of our human nature, after all.
We have this much on our side: said individuals can provide no good reason to do what they do and this makes them vandals.
Again, thanks for your time and trouble, Fercho. I hope to hear from you sometime.
My regards, 76.174.124.198 ( talk) 11:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
PS: If I'm ever down in Buenos Aires and if you'd like, I'll let you know. We should have lunch.
Hello. On December 30, 2008 you added a lot of important and usefull information the the article Córdoba, Argentina. At two places that information contained the reference <ref name="OBSCAP07"/>. This is a reference that was specified somewhere else inside the article you copied the information from. Would you please be so kind to tell me where you copied it from, so that I could fix this reference. Alternatively, you could do this yourself. You may leave your answer here, I'll be waiting. Thank you. Debresser ( talk) 12:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Fercho:
Soy hijo de Argentinos y es, por lo tanto, un placer dirigirme a vos (te tutéo, esta bien?).
Segun consta aquí, el 86% de la población Argentina es de ascendencia Européa, lo que difiere levemente con su ultima contribución. Note que la población Arabe no estaría incluida en este porcentage, dado que serían (estríctamente hablando) "blancos," pero no "Européos."
De más esta decir que las cifras difieren ridículamente poco, pero quisiera evitar problemas, si puedo. No dudo que dejar el "90%," más alla de ser una exageración, resultaría imposiblemente provocante hacia muchos (quienes luego - como ya sabés - se deléitan en retaliar con ese "estudio" tomado en los hospitales públicos, pretendiendo ser representativo del país en su conjunto). Si bien existe una aserción del Anuario Estadístico CIA al efecto de que el "97%" sería clasificable así, lo poco serio de ese guarismo se cáe de su propio peso, creo.
Lamentablemente, el censo Argentino se niega a requerír auto-descripcíon étnica alguna (salvo los cuestionarios especiales dirigidos a la población indígena, claro). Hasta que así sea, nos tendríamos que conformar con los sondeos internacionales más creíbles. Espero que te haya persuadido en ese sentido, que sinceramente creo que sería el más equánime (sí, soy de Libra).
Salvo serias objeciones tuyas, corregiré por ahora la cifra (citando una mera "desavenencia con la fuente"). Te propongo entonces una mira pragmatica al asunto, en pos de evitar peléas con terceros.
Comunícate con migo al respecto, o por cuálquier otro asunto.
Un mate,
Sherlock4000 ( talk) 06:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Hola Fercho, te recomiendo que traduzcas directamente el artículo que está en Español y listo. Avisame cualquier cosa. Saludos. Alakasam ( talk) 19:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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Fercho:
It's good hearing from you, again.
You asked me about recent changes and, well, you might recall I once wrote to you regarding the need to keep Argentine ethnic structure numbers to what was both sourced and credible. Trust me, I value your edits and really would rather not change "86.7" to "86.4" - but I've found that adherence to the source is very important when dealing with that most contentious of statistics (for the sake of preventing second-guessing by third parties). Remember also that Arab folks are "white," though not of "European" descent (though many today live in Europe, certainly).
I've supported the use of "8%" when counting mestizos because, you see, if the source lists "6.5%" of that group and "3.4% Amerindians," the total count of 10% squares with the INDEC quote of 1.6% Amerindians - if the difference can be counted as mestizos (when someone in that group is not a full-blooded Amerindian, he or she is almost certainly mestizo).
Let's not forget, Fercho. A quoted total of 10% between these two groups is, in today's Argentina, conservative. The source is, however, the only one with a realistic ethnic breakdown of the country. INDEC data is also included in the calculation, since, as you pointed out, worldstatesmen.org's "3.4%" is poorly sourced. While we're parsing numbers, of course, contributors to other Latin American pages insert the "whitest" figures they can find, just as soon as they can locate them - I realize that. It would be the equivalent of someone insisting on a "97% white" figure for Argentina; but I think it speaks well of Argentines and Argentine-Americans that we'd rather not resort to the same, generally.
Again, it's good to hear from you. I gathered from your user page that you live in Buenos Aires and, if so, let me commend you for being one of only a very few Argentines (living in Argentina) that can truly edit in English, competently. Don't get me wrong - effort counts, though it's nice when someone can do that without it needing lots of copy-editing.
Let's keep in touch.
Your friend, Sherlock4000 ( talk) 08:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
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Fercho:
How've you been? I need a favor.
Recently, I created an English-language article on the Argentine Industrial Union, and I've been trying to illustrate it with an image of their heaquarters, from Flickr. Unfortunately and for the first time, I've been unable to upload it (a problem with the ever-popular Bryan's upload server,I think).
When you get the chance, could please try to upload this into Commons?
Please contact me if you can't, or if anything turned out.
Thanks, Fercho. Take care.
Sherlock4000 ( talk) 04:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
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