This is the second time you have been involved in enforcing silence in an effort to keep the Undue weight section vague. Just to prove you are out-of-line I am willing to let the matter rest until yet another user requests the section be clarified. Bensaccount 19:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in. I've let temptation to continue a pointless argument get the best of me more than I like lately. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
felonious, you continue to intimidate, insult or ignore those who do not agree with you and don't follow your agenda in the pages you watch. I will not step back from my complaints about this article. The article is extremely POV, and the "response" section is filled with selected quotes and blatant generalizations. I will take this all the way to arbitration, if necessary, and I suggest you compromise. Trilemma 15:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. You protected this about 10 days ago. Since WP:SEMI is for dealing with serious, current vandals, I figure it's been more than long enough to unprotect it now. Can I ask you to check your other recent protections and lift them as necessary, also to remember protections in general? CAT:SEMI is nearly 100 items, most of them seem to have been forgotten by the protecting admin. Thanks. - Splash talk 21:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
You need to stop reverting this entry [1]. We have been discussing this issue on the talk page and your viewpoint is false and does not have the consensus. In fact, your viewpoint has been blown out of the water because you haven't been able to prove that OCCM has ever claimed to be an accreditor. So, stop posting your opinions, start heeding to the facts, and submit to the consensus or else you're going to look more and more like a vandal. -- JohnDoe5 22:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I believe the truly "fair" name by the way you're using the term would be the "Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and Commission for Scientific Medicine and Mental Health test". In any case, the section referring to the test is titled "Discovery Channel Appearance". In the interest of making the reference accessible to the mediators, and in the interest of brevity, I chose "Discovery Channel-aired test". - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 00:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Since you've taken it upon yourself to contribute to the RFM, I'm presuming you want to be involved as a party as well? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 23:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Felonious, I think on reflection that there is a fundamental problem with that article, which Rob and JJay have identified. Whether or not the term is valid, or validly applied to these particular parties, I think on balance the best solution is to go with the category, not the list; editors on the individual articles can debate the category on an individual basis. If there are no reputable sources ascribing the label to individual parties, then we should not either. If there are, the category can be included in the articles. The template is fine by me. Just zis Guy you know? 21:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
You cast aspersions on my motives in your edit summaries. You should assume good faith instead of engaging in personal attacks. BTW, you appear to be engaging in original research, by extending dominionism to any Christain religious organization that takes a position on social issues. If you aren't careful, dominionism will just end up as name calling and become as watered down and meaningless as fascism.-- Silverback 06:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello FM : ) Maybe these organizations belong in this category. Maybe not. Is Chris Hedges regarded as an unbiased author? I think the Harpers article is a pretty weak source for this type of categorization. Is there something more academic? Doing this type of categorization contemporary to the situation is problematic. To overcome this, the views from all sides of the political spectrum need to be considered. Who else has written on this topic? Is this categorization supported by moderate conservative-leaning thinkers? What has George Will written? Do the groups themselves classify this way? Pat Buchanan is open and honest about these issues. What does he say? You may be correct. Could you point me to better sources to back it up. FloNight talk 16:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Felonious, you keep posting a link to a theocracywatch site to support some text about cornell university. I can see anything about cornell university on that page. You also use it to support the claim that certain organizations are "dominionist", but the text on that page doesn't support that either? If just references scorecards by certain organizations. Perhaps those who track domininism find these scorecards serve their purpose in tracking dominionism, but nothing indicates that these organizations are themselves dominionist. Am I missing something on this page? Can you point me to the specifics on the page that support the specifics in your proposed text?-- Silverback 05:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
As a contributor to the page CreationWiki, I feel it fair to warn you that it has been nominated for deletion. Please make your opinion known. PrometheusX303 20:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Arbustoo is deleting comments and questions from his talk page without replying. Please say something to him about this. It isn't very nice. -- Head Like A Hole 09:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Just thought you'd be amused by the quote about how science explains the complexity of life, but "The design hypothesis couldn't even begin to do that, because it raises an even bigger problem than it solves, who made the designer?" from Dawkins in The Root of All Evil?#The God Delusion. ... dave souza, talk 10:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, probably just a misunderstanding, but please don't just revert all my hard copyediting work. If you'd like to re-add the school para below, go ahead:
Note, though, that this was added just a couple of hours ago by an anon user -- it's not article "canon". Also, the first paragraph or two in the controversies section state in no uncertain terms that there is no scientific debate about evolution -- I really don't think there's a need to restate it there.
About the "This is generally considered to be a result of poor scientific education" bit: generally considered by whom? One could equally well argue that it's the result of many Americans being more "religiously fervent" than, say, their more secular European counterparts -- and thus that they have a harder time reconciling evolution with their religious beliefs than other well-educated people (despite similar quality of science instruction).
For the record, I am a biologist, and am not trying to insinuate creationist POV into the article or anything like that. Killdevil 18:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed. Agapetos angel et al. are banned from editing Jonathan Sarfati and associated articles. The opposing editors (Duncharris, Guettarda, Jim62sch, and FeloniousMonk) are warned concerning NPOV and edit warring. Any user banned by this decision who violates the ban may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeat offenses. After 5 blocks the maximum ban shall increase to one year. For further information, please see the arbitration case. On behalf of the arbitration committee, Johnleemk | Talk 18:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hiya, FM. I don't know if you've seen the RFAr on Sam Spade. Fred Bauder has rejected it for lacking a "referral from the Mediation Committee". (He's rejecting other requests for the same reason, too; it seems to be a principle of his, perhaps a new one.) The case is looking pretty likely to get accepted anyway, but if you should feel like putting in a statement outlining the community's long history of trying to reason with SS, it could only help. I gathered from your input at the RfC that you were excruciatingly familiar with it. Best, Bishonen | talk 07:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC).
Hi mate, what was that? [10] Have you read the talk page at all? [11] Dr Zak 16:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
JJay seems to have a new concern over copyright violations at Preying from the Pulpit. These concerns have led to removing clips of a news program. Despite him being informed that these are merely partial audio clips of a television news program he has continued to revert the links without comment on the talk. Arbusto 23:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no source that confirms it but O'Reilly has repeadtly claimed that he misjudged Letterman and has developed a more negative view of him politically then he had before. The reason I put it there is to clarify for the readers that O'Reilly is not a hypocrite on this issue beacause the passage below shows O'Reilly prasing Letterman years earlier which was when he had a different view. I assume if you have seen the Letterman interview, you would change your mind too if someone invited you on their show and then tried to embarass you by attacking your character.But I guess you will insist on removing it if I reverted it back. -- Bairdso66 03:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the disabling the category on my user sub-page. Kind regards, David Bergan 02:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
"...not the absence or elimination of viewpoints." How does this hurt? My goodness it's mind-numbing. Marskell 16:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I have brought a request for arbitration naming you as an interested party. [12] — WCityMike ( talk • contribs • where to reply) 04:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
My apology and withdrawal: [14]. — WCityMike ( talk • contribs • where to reply) 22:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am a student doing research about the Zeleny/Min Zhu controversy, and I found in some of your postings that you mentioned specific documents that could substantiate the allegations (court docs, etc...). I was wondering if you knew where I could find such documents as they would aid immensely in my research. Thank you! (and let me know if you have any questions/want details about my research- mariejomr@gmail.com) - Marie-Jo
Rather than just throwing accusations about. 71.199.196.105 06:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Still waiting. 71.199.196.105 04:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Your comments on AN/I just gave me my new catchphrase: "WP:AGF is not a suicide pact". I love it, thanks! ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 18:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I know and admit that I have reverted the article more than 3 times. However I believe that there is a bit of sockpuppetry involved here that is trying to get me into trouble.
Editors to the page apart from me are:
all I believe are the same person.
The user who reported the 3RR violation has one edit to his name?
Another new user BiII the Bear ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) notice the strange characters in his username. Last night made the same changes to the article, then opened a RFC on me after I reverted him.
Would you mind checking out the discussion at Talk:Dominionism#Christianism and weighing in with your opinion. Cberlet seems to have larger issues with the Dominionism article and has changed (twice) and deleted (once) the section I added on Christianism. I have proposed some new language which I think will solve the concerns you had and, I hope, Cberlet's concerns, but since he/she is raising other issues with the article I'd love to wrap this up before the discussion goes off on another tangent. Thanks,-- Alabamaboy 00:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the voice of reason. - Reaverdrop ( talk/ nl/ wp:space) 00:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Since you have decided to undelete and list for AFD, would you mind closing the DRV entry accordingly? It will be confusing debating whether the article should be undeleted or not if it already is. Thanks! Demi T/ C 18:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for your work on Patrick Henry College. It is much improved. Aplomado talk 06:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to alert you to an adminship application I've filed. Given our disagreement that night, I figured it would be fair to alert you to give you an opportunity to vote on this, even if indeed your vote is an oppose. Thanks. — WCityMike ( talk • contribs) 03:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: Your edits to Patrick Henry College. I'm going to warn you for vandalism if you delete the information again without having a good reason. Aplomado talk 22:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
FM, thank you for your supportive comment. It helped me feel much better about the atmosphere at Wikipedia. We need to find a solution to the harassment coming from Wikipedia Review. I don’t intend to let them win. You must understand that it gets almost unbearable at times. I don't see how SV has lived with it as long as she has. Hopefully after a rest she will be back. Take care, thank you FloNight talk 02:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I stepped on you at talk:Intelligent design where you tried to write this:
Saying RTFM isn't always the best way to respond to a newbie. -- Uncle Ed 18:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi. In conjunction with my RfA (that you voted on), I have created an editor review, to give people a chance to comment as to ways in which I can branch out or alter my contributions to Wikipedia. An RfA seems to solely focus on how one's temperment and contributions relate to how they might handle administrative powers (and the consensus on that seems to be that I'm not quite ready); the editor review opens things up a little more to a larger focus, and I'd love to hear community feedback in the sense of that larger focus, too. If you feel you've already expressed yourself sufficiently when casting your vote, then by all means don't worry about it, but if any thoughts come to mind or if you'd like to expound upon any suggestions or commentary, it would be appreciated. In any case, I appreciated you taking the time to express your opinion on my RfA, and I thank you for that. — WCityMike ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
You may recall this user clogging the NPOV talk about a week ago. I am considering starting an RfC and wondered if people would comment. I realize you probably haven't dealt with him at length on Mainspace pages (he only sticks to about three of them) but I thought you might agree that his behaviour has been troublesome. Marskell 18:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
You might want to think about discussing reverting to a version four days old before you do it. Plus, you might want to read the neutral point of view policy. It applies, even if you have strong feelings on a topic. Thanks, For great justice. 05:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to drop a brief note on your talk page (one admittedly not written to you only, but nevertheless truly meant) to thank you for your vote in my Request for Adminship, which concluded this evening. Even though it was unsuccessful, it did make clear to me some areas in which I can improve my contributions to Wikipedia, both in terms of the areas in which I can participate and the manner in which I can participate. I do plan on, at some point in the future (although, I think, not the near future), attempting the process again, and I hope you will consider participating in that voting process as well. If you wish in the future to offer any constructive criticism to me, or if I may assist you with anything, I hope you will not hesitate to contact me. Thanks again. — WCityMike ( T | C) ⇓ plz reply HERE ( why?) ⇓ 04:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I nomimated that attack page for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Goethean/Examples...the fact that you didn't vote on it is proof I don't spam others for support votes. You're probably right.-- MONGO 19:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Ooops... I thought I'd stripped that out. The problem is that I was trying to view how the final page would look with the "proposed" tag on. Inappropriate things showing up in user space annoy me too! I guess we could do with a {{ Dummy proposed}} template, for a "dummy proposed policy, guideline or process" for such purposes. Or even a {{ First draft proposed}} for "this is a first draft for what may later be proposed as a..." TheGrappler 08:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Nordundsud ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) looks to me to be Gastroturfing. I've issued a warning. Just zis Guy you know? 15:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Please review my talk page LoveMonkey and also the talk page on Plotinus. Goethan is engaging in a campaign to have me banned by admin slimvirgin. Because I stopped him and his buddies from posting original research on Plotinus and his attack on the gnostics. I created the article Neoplatonism and Gnosticism to address the "theory" they proposed and Goethan put the article up for deletion. Disruptive. LoveMonkey 16:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
FeloniousMonk-- You are certainly free to state your dispute with me, but you need to follow the rules that are put in place for an RfC. It says quite clearly that "Users should only edit one summary or view, other than to endorse." If you are going to contribute to the article you need to do so in the section that is meant for people that are involved in the dispute, since you have now certified that you have tried and failed to resolve the dispute. You cannot add a new section under Outside Views and add your comments there. You are a participant in the dispute and you have your own section. Vivaldi ( talk) 19:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
I believe the 3RR block may have been improperly applied in this instance.
The "violation" involved the restoration of an "OR" tag, with no other changes to the text. I'm not certain this constitutes a 3RR violation; if it was, I suspect it was entirely accidental. CJCurrie 21:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I didn't unblock "my friend" -- another admin unblocked him, and my only involvement was to undo a glitch in the system. CJCurrie 02:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Please Assume good faith. I refrained from unblocking the user because I was an active participant in the parent discussion; my only action afterwards was to undo a glitch in the system.
The 3RR page seems to have undergone some significant modifications in recent months, and it's hardly a surprise that not everyone would be aware of (or accept) the current version. I suspect that some of the "3RR offenses" in question would not have been interpreted as such even a few months ago. CJCurrie 02:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Per the page history on the 3RR policy page, that criterion was added on April 18, 2006 by William M. Connolley. I can find no evidence that he ever sought or established any consensus to add this new clause to the policy; it did not exist on April 17, and I absolutely do not accept that being unaware of an unannounced and non-consensual rule change that's a grand total of six weeks old constitutes any sort of failing on my part.
I've been a Wikipedia administrator for well over a year, and acted exactly in accordance with the rules as they've stood as long as I've been an administrator — and I absolutely reject any notion that I had any responsibility to act otherwise.
And furthermore, until I see some indication that there was a consensus to add this to the policy, I am not obliged to accept it as binding.
I will not discuss this any further. Bearcat 02:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your most recent edit to Intelligent Design as citing references from wikisource. I'm unfamiliar with wikisource; I assume it's a wikimedia foundation website? Is it considered acceptable to use wikisource as a source in a wikipedia article, i.e. is it considered reliable? On the one hand, I think: why have a site called "wikisource" except to provide known reliable sourcing for wikipedia? On the other, I think: wikisource allows anyone to edit; doesn't that mean it can't be considered a RS, for the same reason that another wikipedia article is not considered a RS?
Please don't see this as opposition. I'm not an ID supporter nor do I have a problem with your edit. I'm just curious about wikisource. Kasreyn 05:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi FM, I see you did a partial reversion of my self-revert, in effect re-instating and somewhat sanctioning language I endorse and Francis opposes as not having reached consensus. Someone else then ran with the ball and made this edit. Although I much appreciate your support of the sentence ("Returning a critical sentence to the new language") you may want to revert back to my last version, which seems to be the current consensus version at WP:NPOV. FWIW, I have a proposal pending here which you may want to endorse, improve, or shoot down in flames. :-O AvB ÷ talk 16:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Evolution#Add a "google video" link of evolution science provides a handy link to BBC Horizon's The War on Science which provides a nice documentary and lots of quotes on ID up to the Kitzmiller verdict. .. dave souza, talk 21:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
wats an arbcomm?-- The Nation 05:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
arbitration commitee??-- The Nation 16:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Please revert your unilateral removal of the unbalanced template from the Human article. I strongly object to the unbalanced intro to the article. Specifically, the lack of any perspective other than that of the natural sciences in the first paragraph. — goethean ॐ 21:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
You reverted some of my changes to the Kent Hovind article as a "whitewash." I'm confused by this. Please discuss your changes on the talkpage. Thanks. -- JChap 18:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi FM -- I really like and appreciate your work on ID-related articles. In the recent discussion on deletion of a template that I placed on category:Pseudoscience, you wrote: "Also, templates created to further a particular POV is a misuse of templates." My comments from that page: Since I created it, I can tell you that this template was not created to further a particular POV. It was created to help readers be aware of disputes, as I said above, and it parallels an already existing template that hasn't been deleted. Other editors have argued that category:Pseudoscience is inherently a POV category. WP:CF says "Categories appear without annotations, so be careful of NPOV when creating or filling categories. Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category", but in practice this is sometimes ignored. I'm fine with the argument that there are better ways to alert readers and editors to disputes. I'm not fine with having my motivations gratuitously questioned. thanks, Jim Butler( talk) 05:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I too have been involved greatly in the discussion that they have, and I disagree that Zer0 is harassing Nomen Nescio. Nomen has had poor tactics in getting accrossed points, and while he is looking to help, he often has not because of this. When I made Wikipedia:WOT, he edited it several times to misrepresent the issue it was discussing. I, and Zer0 as well, reverted his edits there. Nomen and Zer0 both broke the 3RR rule, and both were blocxked for 6 hours. This incident was 2 days ago (I think) and was noted by you, as an example of harassment. Yesterday Nescio didnt come on, however we reached a consensus, with the help of GTBracchus, on the issue of including the Iraq War in the War on Terrorism (no small task). As stated, he didnt come on yesterday, but today he did, and began to revert all of the edits to the articles related to the consensus. GTBracchus, and zer0 both told him to discuss the issue on a talk page, and I also asked Nomen to do this as well, rather than restart a revert war. He did not do this, though he did eventually stop reverting (he didnt exceed 3RR here). He then went back into the talk page, and brought back an old RFC that had previously been archived. Zer0faults edited the descriptions in this that were misleading of the issue, including a misrepresentations of the polls. Here, I beleive that Nomen exceed 3 reverts, reaching 4. I reverted once, because I too disagreed with his misrepresentations of the polls. I would not call this incident harassment, because we all have been working in similar areas. I think a more effective way of handling this may be to talk to Nomen, and again, try and get him back to the discussion table. If he just reverts stuff and gets into edit wars, or a war of words (calling zer0 and I zealots) it will not help anything as likely it would result in blocking. Rangeley 16:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for helping out but this seriously misrepresents the facts. First no consensus was reached, [19] second archiving an ongoing RFC is rather poor taste. Since the debate is ongoing I fail to see why comments in that debate should be deleted. Last, I only corrected you false statements regarding any previous discussion and I pointed out where people could find that discussion. All that was deleted since apparently the previous debates were off-limits. Nomen Nescio Gnothi seauton 16:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Nomen, the fact someone reverted does not mean there is no consensus. Neither he, nor you has stated any objection to the consensus [20], despite being invited frequently to. Please discuss with us if you have objections. Rangeley 17:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'd already done a CheckUser, because the sockpuppetry and editing pattern was so obvious. Unsurprisingly, the CheckUser evidence was consistent and strongly suggestive (though not 100% conclusive) with them being sockpuppets of HOTR. Jayjg (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This 3 RR report has not been addressed yet. Tnx. [21] Zeq 15:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
And given your questionable behaviour above you would be in a conflict of interest if you acted in response to Zeq's lobbying you, Felonious. Incidentally, the sockpuppet accusation you made above is wrong (Zeq just brought this to my attention)- I would like to see the IP addresses involved. I can assure you that I had no sockpuppet and I would be very surprised if the user you blocked used my IP. My ISP is the largest in Canada so it's possible we have a shared ISP but Jay doesn't even allege that. The likelihood is that the possibility Jay mentions is based on our being in the same country or same city but as there are numerous Wikipedia editors editing Arab and Israeli related articles from Toronto that is hardly a credible reason for a block.
In future you should make Checkuser requests on the Checkuser page rather than ask your friend for a favour, particularly if that friend is involved in a content dispute with the people you are requesting Checkuser for.
I suggest you lift the block on the user in question. Homey 16:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I've just noted the IP address above, 216.249.5.184 - that is not even my ISP - not even close. There is no basis for a block. Homey 16:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
If the answer for #1 is true (which means we have opportunity) and #2 (possibility) we should further at:
Given all that I would say it is Homey. can be 100% sure No. can be 99% yes. A garmatical analsis should shed more light. Zeq 16:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
intersting. check this diff [22] and then take a look at each editor that previously edited this article. Click on the user name. Zeq 16:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi FM. I saw that you removed the template from this page. I and other editors had raised NPOV concerns about the reflected in WP:CG, especially these. That's why it seemed to me that Template:Cleancat applied; I thought such templates were intended to attract discussion. Can you explain where I was mistaken? cheers, Jim Butler( talk) 18:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
You are clearly displaying a double standard. Zeq can harass me and make dubious complaints in order to persue a vendetta and you indulge him. I post a 3RR complaint hours after a warning posted on SV's page is ignored and then withdraw my complaint after I see there's been a technical glitch and you accuse me of bad faith. Homey 21:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Slim you said it must have been an accident. I was dubious of that given "edit conflict" warnings that I expected would have occured and that most people give the accident excuse- it was only after I saw that your interlocuter said he was having the same problems and when he said that he had recieved no edit conflict warnings that I agreed this was a valid excuse. In any case, you ignored my earlier warnings - did not respond or acknowledge them. Homey 18:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
"and at one point you appeared to threaten to block me yourself."
In the unlikely even that you said "Yes, you're right, go ahead and block me" I would have. As you neither said that nor accepted my offer of voluntary recusal I left it for other admins to act on the report until I saw ElC's comment that there had been no edit conflict warnings, at which point I decided to withdraw the complaint. Prior to that I believed you had just ignored edit conflict warnings in the same manner that you ignored the warning I left you earlier. Homey 18:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
SV, I want to make it clear that FM has no authority to respond to future complaints by Zeq since he is in a conflict of interest and since Zeq has shown a pattern of making specious complaints. FM's factional loyalites to Zeq and to you do not override this. I am in a conflict of interest in regards to FM so I have not blocked him for his 3RR violation but the same applies to FM so if Zeq makes any more complaints FM should leave it to other admins to respond to them. He does not have the moral authority to act as Zeq's hitman (or yours). Homey 19:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I've only just realised (from your comment on 3RR) that HotR is an admin. Weird or what. In fact I was rather doubtful that he was... till I see he has just deleted his own page. Mind you I still can't find Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HOTR William M. Connolley 22:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC) Because he used to be AndyL? can;t find that either... William M. Connolley 22:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Your most recent revet on the Fox News Channel controversies and allegations of bias is your 4th in 24 hours. Please self-revert it, or you will be reported for violating 3rr. Isarig 03:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
MusicalLinguist and PinchasC, thank you for restoring the posts I inadvertently deleted. I'm having problems at the moment with an out-of-control mouse. It keeps highlighting text either in front of or after where I set my cursor, then when I start to type, it deletes everything that's highlighted, and sometimes I don't notice. I'll try to find a way to get it fixed. It's something in my preferences probably but I can't figure it out. Sorry for vandalizing your talk page, FM. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 13:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for the length of this comment. Since our recent exchanges have been rather terse, I felt a need to explain in detail why your recent repeated reverts at intelligent design have been unreasonable.
You have reverted a number of my recent changes with the edit summary "rv all recent edits by Silence. There was only mild consensus for one single change, lack of response to proposed changes is not consent". The problem here is that by this logic, 99% of all edits on Wikipedia would need to be reverted, because even "mild consensus" is a rare thing for editors to take time to build up, especially for minor stylistic and grammatical edits like the ones I have been making.
You see, the fact that there is a lack of an elaborate consensus-determining straw poll, or something of the sort, approving my copyedits is insufficient, on its own, to justify repeatedly reverting edits which several users have endorsed and supported, and which a grand total of 0 users have thus far objected to any aspect of. In fact, even you have yet to cite a single specific problem anywhere in my recent edits to the page, and I strongly suspect, based on your correspondence thus far, that you have not taken the time to actually read most (if any) of what I actually changed to the page.
For continually reverting a large number of edits (almost to the point of edit warring at this point) to be justified, you need more justification than simply "lack of response to proposed changes is not consent"—by that logic, almost all edits that have ever been made to Wikipedia ought to be reverted, since most edits have never been explicitly responded to. The key distinction is that there needs to be some sort of problem, some flaw or error or fault, in the actual edits, or at least the assertion that there is a specific problem. Thus far, there is none whatsoever. Your reverts are based on your own silence, and your silence is based on your reverts. I have requested on numerous occasions to simply discuss the matter in a civil and productive way with you, wherever you prefer, and you have ignored or evaded all of my attempts to open up a dialogue over the copyedits I've been making (or trying to make!). I find this counterproductive. If you have an issue with the edits, then simply say why and we can talk it over. Refusing to communicate except through your repeated reverts' edit summaries is not helpful.
Incidentally, your claim that I am basing my edits on nothing but "lack of response to proposed changes" is patently false. Certainly I have gotten no objections to anything specific about my copyedits in the last 48 hours since you first reverted my edit. But I have gotten several endorsements: User:Jim62sch, despite our recent arguments, was kind enough to say on my Talk page that "Some of today's edits look pretty good. Others I need to think about." User:Kenosis has also been understanding and supportive, after we worked out the misunderstanding which led to the reverts of my copyedits earlier. User:Kasreyn specifically said "For what it's worth, I looked over your copyedits and found nothing objectionable." So I've gotten a number of neutral and positive responses, and 0 specific complaints or criticisms regarding any aspect of the recent copyedits to the text of intelligent design. You have no leg to stand upon in claiming that I have received no positive responses, I'm afraid.
If you want to discuss my changes, I recommend that you actually take the time to look at them and specifically criticize various aspects of them which you object to, rather than continuing to blindly revert them on the mistaken assumption that anything new must necessarily be worse than what's already in place. I'm fully willing to compromise on and discuss any aspect of them which you find objectionable, but I'm not going to jump through hoops for weeks to get uncontroversial, simple, everyday copyedits that noone has objected to individually approved, one comma splice and broken wikilink at a time.
WP:OWN ("You agreed to allow others to modify your work here. So let them.") is official Wikipedia policy, and I would expect as experienced, dedicated, and talented an editor as you to be more familiar with it than you've recently demonstrated. :/ - Silence 15:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This case has closed and the final decision is published at the link above.
For the arbitration committee. -- Tony Sidaway 00:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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Hello : - ) Look for an email from me. FloNight talk 17:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you didn't say that Coulter insists that intelligent design is a science, in a discussion of a chapter where she specifically doesn't do that, and where that fact is pointed out in the article.
You changed the plain meaning of a sentence that, IMHO, provides useful elaboration of the fact that, in this chapter at least, Coulter argues that evolution has aspects of a religion, without claiming that intelligent design is a science. When I wrote that sentence, I was hoping that no judgment or POV would be conveyed about either. That's why the quotes around the two words. The sentence formerly read:
Though the chapter is about evolution theory as a "religion," not about intelligent design as a "science," it ends by comparing the two:
It now reads:
While portraying evolution theory as a "religion," Coulter insists intelligent design is legitimate science:
This is a different meaning than what I intended, and it puts words in Coulter's mouth.
Unlike Coulter, I am agnostic as to evolution vs. intelligent design. I know POV when I see it, and I work hard to keep my edits POV-free. If you think that there is a POV in the sentence as originally written, I would very much like to hear why, so I can avoid such things in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lou Sander ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops! Sorry I didn't sign my comment. I returned because I noticed something more... I inserted [sic] into her quoted words because 1) it kind of disputes these guys as "scientists," and 2) though she is not claiming they are scientists in this chapter, she did use the word in this sentence. I'm pretty sure that she uses the term "creation scientists" as a generic name for these dudes, as do many other people, even those who disagree with them.
I also noticed that you've deleted the word "evolutionist" from the description of the arguments. While I can appreciate your opinion that it is a POV word, it DOES link to an article on evolution which defines the word in a NPOV way. There are disagreements between creationists and the other side about the matters enumerated in the quotation. IMHO, it's POV only to refer to them as creationist arguments. All of the enumerated matters were advanced by evolution scientists (or whatever is an acceptable word for them) long before the c.s. guys were even born. Could you accept evolutionist (with the link) as a term for those to whom Coulter was referring? Lou Sander 18:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Made changes. [25] Look for email for more discussion. FloNight talk 01:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey Felonious - it looks like something ugly happened with your last edit to Fox News Channel controversies and allegations of bias. The last part of the article was truncated. Given the heated debate I was worried it might be misinterpreted. Ucanlookitup 02:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I hadn't heard this before - I'm still laughing. [26] Banno 22:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Look, I realise that a lot of his behaviour in the past has been unacceptable, and I agree that he deserved the initial block he got. There was nothing that another week block was going to achieve, however, apart from removing any chance he might turn out to be a good editor given time. I thus told him to cool it, and gave him a chance to correct his behaviour. I really do see no benefit in continuing this current block, so I'm going to unblock once again, but I promise you that if he continues his past conduct, I will not object to a reblock. Rebecca 23:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey Felonious. Do you have any comment on why you think the newer version is a disimprovement? I'm actually quite surprised "we can write with the attitude that such-and-such is a good idea" is being defended by people given how it contradicts neutrality. I was actually anticipating an initial revert but was hoping people would offer a comment at the same time. Cheers, Marskell 15:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I've pulled your block of Giovanni33 agreed to stay away from chrisitiaity articles which appear to be the cause of the problem. Geni 15:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not about to get too involved, except to object to this "secret evidence" business. I understand your reasoning, but I think G33 has a right to question or refute the accusations being made against him, especially if this goes to arbcom. ^^James^^ 17:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to try unblocking Jerry Jones. I have been in email correspondence with him and think he might work out. Mostly we just discussed the edit warring over political labels. He maintains this edit [27] was just a error and did not intend to remove it permanently. Fred Bauder 13:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Your name came up in conversation with another admin. I like to cite sources and research articles for accuracy. I'd like your opinion, please, on the article Dissident Voice , if you have the time. Thanks. Oh by the way, please respond here. Ste4k 14:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi FeloniousMonk. I replied to your statement with another question here. Hope you don't mind replying. Thanks! Vorpal Blade snicker-snack 16:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
"Marskell's point is the same point raised time and again by pseudoscience proponents here and at the relevant articles...is exactly what we've seen in all of the proposals from that faction so far"? [28] I didn't know I was a member of a faction and if I am it's certainly has nothing to do with pseudoscience. If you recall the one time I dealt with you (an RfC) it was in an attempt to defend the place against such nonsense. You should avoid off-hand accusations. Marskell 20:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Samsara ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've made a recommendation regarding User:Giovanni33; I'd appreciate it if you would comment here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Giovanni33 again. Regards, Jayjg (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I am unblocking Jerry Jones so he can participate in the dialog at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Jerry_Jones_and_CongressRecords. Please join this conversation. Fred Bauder 11:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I have lifted the block on User:Sonofzion as the allegation of sockpuppetry against him/her is false. If you were alleging that s/he was my sockpuppet you should have contacted me (indeed, that you accused the alleged sockpuppet but not the alleged sockpuppeteer is unusual). You also should have used the checkuser request page rather than ask Jayjg who is in a conflict of interest. As it happens, the user's ip address of User:216.249.5.164 which I assume is supposed to be Sonofzion as you also blocked that user with the same accusation, is not my IP address. If you wish to reimpose the block I will not get into a wheel war over it but I advise you to follow proper procedure in the future. Homey 15:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
You did not use the user check page. Nor did you inform me that you were accusing me of sockpuppetry or were blocking an alleged sockpuppet of mine. As for my "paticipation" at User talk:Sonofzion that is several weeks after the fact and only after it was drawn to my attention by User:Zeq. Homey 16:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
"What evidence do you have that establishes that Sonofzion wasn't you? I'd like to see it"
The fact that I have never used that IP or anything close to it. The only thing you found "compelling" was Jayjg's say so so it's not legitimate to say your block had nothing to do with him, particularly since you only implemented it after he made his claim to you. Homey 16:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's my IP address. 72.60.226.29 16:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Homey 16:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Please explain how Jayjg wasn't in a conflict of interest by "interpreting" data for you on a user who had opened an RFC against him and another user he was in a content dispute with? I'm just curious what definition of conflict of interest you could possibly be using? Homey 16:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Felonious, suspicion is not fact, particularly when we're dealing with a highly contentious article drawing in lots of editors. If you were dealing with an article only a handful of people were editing that would be one thing but not with this article. Anyway, the point is probably moot since odds are the user you banned is either editing anonymously, has opened a new account or has left the project. Homey 16:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
" I never discussed the Sonofzion account with Jayjg, so you're more than a little bit off base here."
Sonofzion claimed on his/her talk page that you were acting on Jayjg's claims. Homey 16:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I just find it bizarre that if you were so sure you would ban a sockpuppet without telling the person you alleged was the sockpuppeteer. Homey 16:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
It's rather dangerous for you (or rather for Wikipedia) that you confuse having your actions questioned with "disruption". Homey 16:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
FM, I appreciate your recent work in further cleaning up the article on Intelligent design movement. ... Kenosis 05:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Copied from Arb case workshop:
I appreciate and agree with your reason for proposing this remedy. It should have been worded "Certain administrators" rather than "All involved administrators" I think. Evidence is already on the evidence page makes it clear that neither SlimVirgin or Jayjg used their admin tools in this conflict. If the logs presented by KimVanDerLinde and Zeq are to be believed, then applying this remedy to all involved administrators would be neither accurate nor appropriate is my only point. FeloniousMonk 22:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for piping to Scientific consensus, which is what mainstream scientific views are. [29] I should have looked a little harder to find that myself. I've learned about the diff tool, but searching is still hard. :-) -- Wing Nut 19:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
--Sonofzion
I agree with this: Trolls are not the same Wikipedians who give us food for thought [30]
I see with thanks that the Category:Wikipedians who give us food for thought has been speedily deleted. :-)-- Uncle Ed 18:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
This is the second time you have been involved in enforcing silence in an effort to keep the Undue weight section vague. Just to prove you are out-of-line I am willing to let the matter rest until yet another user requests the section be clarified. Bensaccount 19:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in. I've let temptation to continue a pointless argument get the best of me more than I like lately. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
felonious, you continue to intimidate, insult or ignore those who do not agree with you and don't follow your agenda in the pages you watch. I will not step back from my complaints about this article. The article is extremely POV, and the "response" section is filled with selected quotes and blatant generalizations. I will take this all the way to arbitration, if necessary, and I suggest you compromise. Trilemma 15:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. You protected this about 10 days ago. Since WP:SEMI is for dealing with serious, current vandals, I figure it's been more than long enough to unprotect it now. Can I ask you to check your other recent protections and lift them as necessary, also to remember protections in general? CAT:SEMI is nearly 100 items, most of them seem to have been forgotten by the protecting admin. Thanks. - Splash talk 21:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
You need to stop reverting this entry [1]. We have been discussing this issue on the talk page and your viewpoint is false and does not have the consensus. In fact, your viewpoint has been blown out of the water because you haven't been able to prove that OCCM has ever claimed to be an accreditor. So, stop posting your opinions, start heeding to the facts, and submit to the consensus or else you're going to look more and more like a vandal. -- JohnDoe5 22:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I believe the truly "fair" name by the way you're using the term would be the "Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and Commission for Scientific Medicine and Mental Health test". In any case, the section referring to the test is titled "Discovery Channel Appearance". In the interest of making the reference accessible to the mediators, and in the interest of brevity, I chose "Discovery Channel-aired test". - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 00:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Since you've taken it upon yourself to contribute to the RFM, I'm presuming you want to be involved as a party as well? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 23:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Felonious, I think on reflection that there is a fundamental problem with that article, which Rob and JJay have identified. Whether or not the term is valid, or validly applied to these particular parties, I think on balance the best solution is to go with the category, not the list; editors on the individual articles can debate the category on an individual basis. If there are no reputable sources ascribing the label to individual parties, then we should not either. If there are, the category can be included in the articles. The template is fine by me. Just zis Guy you know? 21:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
You cast aspersions on my motives in your edit summaries. You should assume good faith instead of engaging in personal attacks. BTW, you appear to be engaging in original research, by extending dominionism to any Christain religious organization that takes a position on social issues. If you aren't careful, dominionism will just end up as name calling and become as watered down and meaningless as fascism.-- Silverback 06:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello FM : ) Maybe these organizations belong in this category. Maybe not. Is Chris Hedges regarded as an unbiased author? I think the Harpers article is a pretty weak source for this type of categorization. Is there something more academic? Doing this type of categorization contemporary to the situation is problematic. To overcome this, the views from all sides of the political spectrum need to be considered. Who else has written on this topic? Is this categorization supported by moderate conservative-leaning thinkers? What has George Will written? Do the groups themselves classify this way? Pat Buchanan is open and honest about these issues. What does he say? You may be correct. Could you point me to better sources to back it up. FloNight talk 16:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Felonious, you keep posting a link to a theocracywatch site to support some text about cornell university. I can see anything about cornell university on that page. You also use it to support the claim that certain organizations are "dominionist", but the text on that page doesn't support that either? If just references scorecards by certain organizations. Perhaps those who track domininism find these scorecards serve their purpose in tracking dominionism, but nothing indicates that these organizations are themselves dominionist. Am I missing something on this page? Can you point me to the specifics on the page that support the specifics in your proposed text?-- Silverback 05:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
As a contributor to the page CreationWiki, I feel it fair to warn you that it has been nominated for deletion. Please make your opinion known. PrometheusX303 20:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Arbustoo is deleting comments and questions from his talk page without replying. Please say something to him about this. It isn't very nice. -- Head Like A Hole 09:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Just thought you'd be amused by the quote about how science explains the complexity of life, but "The design hypothesis couldn't even begin to do that, because it raises an even bigger problem than it solves, who made the designer?" from Dawkins in The Root of All Evil?#The God Delusion. ... dave souza, talk 10:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, probably just a misunderstanding, but please don't just revert all my hard copyediting work. If you'd like to re-add the school para below, go ahead:
Note, though, that this was added just a couple of hours ago by an anon user -- it's not article "canon". Also, the first paragraph or two in the controversies section state in no uncertain terms that there is no scientific debate about evolution -- I really don't think there's a need to restate it there.
About the "This is generally considered to be a result of poor scientific education" bit: generally considered by whom? One could equally well argue that it's the result of many Americans being more "religiously fervent" than, say, their more secular European counterparts -- and thus that they have a harder time reconciling evolution with their religious beliefs than other well-educated people (despite similar quality of science instruction).
For the record, I am a biologist, and am not trying to insinuate creationist POV into the article or anything like that. Killdevil 18:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed. Agapetos angel et al. are banned from editing Jonathan Sarfati and associated articles. The opposing editors (Duncharris, Guettarda, Jim62sch, and FeloniousMonk) are warned concerning NPOV and edit warring. Any user banned by this decision who violates the ban may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeat offenses. After 5 blocks the maximum ban shall increase to one year. For further information, please see the arbitration case. On behalf of the arbitration committee, Johnleemk | Talk 18:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hiya, FM. I don't know if you've seen the RFAr on Sam Spade. Fred Bauder has rejected it for lacking a "referral from the Mediation Committee". (He's rejecting other requests for the same reason, too; it seems to be a principle of his, perhaps a new one.) The case is looking pretty likely to get accepted anyway, but if you should feel like putting in a statement outlining the community's long history of trying to reason with SS, it could only help. I gathered from your input at the RfC that you were excruciatingly familiar with it. Best, Bishonen | talk 07:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC).
Hi mate, what was that? [10] Have you read the talk page at all? [11] Dr Zak 16:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
JJay seems to have a new concern over copyright violations at Preying from the Pulpit. These concerns have led to removing clips of a news program. Despite him being informed that these are merely partial audio clips of a television news program he has continued to revert the links without comment on the talk. Arbusto 23:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no source that confirms it but O'Reilly has repeadtly claimed that he misjudged Letterman and has developed a more negative view of him politically then he had before. The reason I put it there is to clarify for the readers that O'Reilly is not a hypocrite on this issue beacause the passage below shows O'Reilly prasing Letterman years earlier which was when he had a different view. I assume if you have seen the Letterman interview, you would change your mind too if someone invited you on their show and then tried to embarass you by attacking your character.But I guess you will insist on removing it if I reverted it back. -- Bairdso66 03:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the disabling the category on my user sub-page. Kind regards, David Bergan 02:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
"...not the absence or elimination of viewpoints." How does this hurt? My goodness it's mind-numbing. Marskell 16:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I have brought a request for arbitration naming you as an interested party. [12] — WCityMike ( talk • contribs • where to reply) 04:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
My apology and withdrawal: [14]. — WCityMike ( talk • contribs • where to reply) 22:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am a student doing research about the Zeleny/Min Zhu controversy, and I found in some of your postings that you mentioned specific documents that could substantiate the allegations (court docs, etc...). I was wondering if you knew where I could find such documents as they would aid immensely in my research. Thank you! (and let me know if you have any questions/want details about my research- mariejomr@gmail.com) - Marie-Jo
Rather than just throwing accusations about. 71.199.196.105 06:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Still waiting. 71.199.196.105 04:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Your comments on AN/I just gave me my new catchphrase: "WP:AGF is not a suicide pact". I love it, thanks! ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 18:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I know and admit that I have reverted the article more than 3 times. However I believe that there is a bit of sockpuppetry involved here that is trying to get me into trouble.
Editors to the page apart from me are:
all I believe are the same person.
The user who reported the 3RR violation has one edit to his name?
Another new user BiII the Bear ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) notice the strange characters in his username. Last night made the same changes to the article, then opened a RFC on me after I reverted him.
Would you mind checking out the discussion at Talk:Dominionism#Christianism and weighing in with your opinion. Cberlet seems to have larger issues with the Dominionism article and has changed (twice) and deleted (once) the section I added on Christianism. I have proposed some new language which I think will solve the concerns you had and, I hope, Cberlet's concerns, but since he/she is raising other issues with the article I'd love to wrap this up before the discussion goes off on another tangent. Thanks,-- Alabamaboy 00:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the voice of reason. - Reaverdrop ( talk/ nl/ wp:space) 00:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Since you have decided to undelete and list for AFD, would you mind closing the DRV entry accordingly? It will be confusing debating whether the article should be undeleted or not if it already is. Thanks! Demi T/ C 18:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for your work on Patrick Henry College. It is much improved. Aplomado talk 06:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to alert you to an adminship application I've filed. Given our disagreement that night, I figured it would be fair to alert you to give you an opportunity to vote on this, even if indeed your vote is an oppose. Thanks. — WCityMike ( talk • contribs) 03:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: Your edits to Patrick Henry College. I'm going to warn you for vandalism if you delete the information again without having a good reason. Aplomado talk 22:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
FM, thank you for your supportive comment. It helped me feel much better about the atmosphere at Wikipedia. We need to find a solution to the harassment coming from Wikipedia Review. I don’t intend to let them win. You must understand that it gets almost unbearable at times. I don't see how SV has lived with it as long as she has. Hopefully after a rest she will be back. Take care, thank you FloNight talk 02:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I stepped on you at talk:Intelligent design where you tried to write this:
Saying RTFM isn't always the best way to respond to a newbie. -- Uncle Ed 18:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi. In conjunction with my RfA (that you voted on), I have created an editor review, to give people a chance to comment as to ways in which I can branch out or alter my contributions to Wikipedia. An RfA seems to solely focus on how one's temperment and contributions relate to how they might handle administrative powers (and the consensus on that seems to be that I'm not quite ready); the editor review opens things up a little more to a larger focus, and I'd love to hear community feedback in the sense of that larger focus, too. If you feel you've already expressed yourself sufficiently when casting your vote, then by all means don't worry about it, but if any thoughts come to mind or if you'd like to expound upon any suggestions or commentary, it would be appreciated. In any case, I appreciated you taking the time to express your opinion on my RfA, and I thank you for that. — WCityMike ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
You may recall this user clogging the NPOV talk about a week ago. I am considering starting an RfC and wondered if people would comment. I realize you probably haven't dealt with him at length on Mainspace pages (he only sticks to about three of them) but I thought you might agree that his behaviour has been troublesome. Marskell 18:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
You might want to think about discussing reverting to a version four days old before you do it. Plus, you might want to read the neutral point of view policy. It applies, even if you have strong feelings on a topic. Thanks, For great justice. 05:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to drop a brief note on your talk page (one admittedly not written to you only, but nevertheless truly meant) to thank you for your vote in my Request for Adminship, which concluded this evening. Even though it was unsuccessful, it did make clear to me some areas in which I can improve my contributions to Wikipedia, both in terms of the areas in which I can participate and the manner in which I can participate. I do plan on, at some point in the future (although, I think, not the near future), attempting the process again, and I hope you will consider participating in that voting process as well. If you wish in the future to offer any constructive criticism to me, or if I may assist you with anything, I hope you will not hesitate to contact me. Thanks again. — WCityMike ( T | C) ⇓ plz reply HERE ( why?) ⇓ 04:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I nomimated that attack page for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Goethean/Examples...the fact that you didn't vote on it is proof I don't spam others for support votes. You're probably right.-- MONGO 19:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Ooops... I thought I'd stripped that out. The problem is that I was trying to view how the final page would look with the "proposed" tag on. Inappropriate things showing up in user space annoy me too! I guess we could do with a {{ Dummy proposed}} template, for a "dummy proposed policy, guideline or process" for such purposes. Or even a {{ First draft proposed}} for "this is a first draft for what may later be proposed as a..." TheGrappler 08:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Nordundsud ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) looks to me to be Gastroturfing. I've issued a warning. Just zis Guy you know? 15:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Please review my talk page LoveMonkey and also the talk page on Plotinus. Goethan is engaging in a campaign to have me banned by admin slimvirgin. Because I stopped him and his buddies from posting original research on Plotinus and his attack on the gnostics. I created the article Neoplatonism and Gnosticism to address the "theory" they proposed and Goethan put the article up for deletion. Disruptive. LoveMonkey 16:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
FeloniousMonk-- You are certainly free to state your dispute with me, but you need to follow the rules that are put in place for an RfC. It says quite clearly that "Users should only edit one summary or view, other than to endorse." If you are going to contribute to the article you need to do so in the section that is meant for people that are involved in the dispute, since you have now certified that you have tried and failed to resolve the dispute. You cannot add a new section under Outside Views and add your comments there. You are a participant in the dispute and you have your own section. Vivaldi ( talk) 19:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
I believe the 3RR block may have been improperly applied in this instance.
The "violation" involved the restoration of an "OR" tag, with no other changes to the text. I'm not certain this constitutes a 3RR violation; if it was, I suspect it was entirely accidental. CJCurrie 21:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I didn't unblock "my friend" -- another admin unblocked him, and my only involvement was to undo a glitch in the system. CJCurrie 02:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Please Assume good faith. I refrained from unblocking the user because I was an active participant in the parent discussion; my only action afterwards was to undo a glitch in the system.
The 3RR page seems to have undergone some significant modifications in recent months, and it's hardly a surprise that not everyone would be aware of (or accept) the current version. I suspect that some of the "3RR offenses" in question would not have been interpreted as such even a few months ago. CJCurrie 02:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Per the page history on the 3RR policy page, that criterion was added on April 18, 2006 by William M. Connolley. I can find no evidence that he ever sought or established any consensus to add this new clause to the policy; it did not exist on April 17, and I absolutely do not accept that being unaware of an unannounced and non-consensual rule change that's a grand total of six weeks old constitutes any sort of failing on my part.
I've been a Wikipedia administrator for well over a year, and acted exactly in accordance with the rules as they've stood as long as I've been an administrator — and I absolutely reject any notion that I had any responsibility to act otherwise.
And furthermore, until I see some indication that there was a consensus to add this to the policy, I am not obliged to accept it as binding.
I will not discuss this any further. Bearcat 02:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your most recent edit to Intelligent Design as citing references from wikisource. I'm unfamiliar with wikisource; I assume it's a wikimedia foundation website? Is it considered acceptable to use wikisource as a source in a wikipedia article, i.e. is it considered reliable? On the one hand, I think: why have a site called "wikisource" except to provide known reliable sourcing for wikipedia? On the other, I think: wikisource allows anyone to edit; doesn't that mean it can't be considered a RS, for the same reason that another wikipedia article is not considered a RS?
Please don't see this as opposition. I'm not an ID supporter nor do I have a problem with your edit. I'm just curious about wikisource. Kasreyn 05:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi FM, I see you did a partial reversion of my self-revert, in effect re-instating and somewhat sanctioning language I endorse and Francis opposes as not having reached consensus. Someone else then ran with the ball and made this edit. Although I much appreciate your support of the sentence ("Returning a critical sentence to the new language") you may want to revert back to my last version, which seems to be the current consensus version at WP:NPOV. FWIW, I have a proposal pending here which you may want to endorse, improve, or shoot down in flames. :-O AvB ÷ talk 16:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Evolution#Add a "google video" link of evolution science provides a handy link to BBC Horizon's The War on Science which provides a nice documentary and lots of quotes on ID up to the Kitzmiller verdict. .. dave souza, talk 21:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
wats an arbcomm?-- The Nation 05:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
arbitration commitee??-- The Nation 16:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Please revert your unilateral removal of the unbalanced template from the Human article. I strongly object to the unbalanced intro to the article. Specifically, the lack of any perspective other than that of the natural sciences in the first paragraph. — goethean ॐ 21:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
You reverted some of my changes to the Kent Hovind article as a "whitewash." I'm confused by this. Please discuss your changes on the talkpage. Thanks. -- JChap 18:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi FM -- I really like and appreciate your work on ID-related articles. In the recent discussion on deletion of a template that I placed on category:Pseudoscience, you wrote: "Also, templates created to further a particular POV is a misuse of templates." My comments from that page: Since I created it, I can tell you that this template was not created to further a particular POV. It was created to help readers be aware of disputes, as I said above, and it parallels an already existing template that hasn't been deleted. Other editors have argued that category:Pseudoscience is inherently a POV category. WP:CF says "Categories appear without annotations, so be careful of NPOV when creating or filling categories. Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category", but in practice this is sometimes ignored. I'm fine with the argument that there are better ways to alert readers and editors to disputes. I'm not fine with having my motivations gratuitously questioned. thanks, Jim Butler( talk) 05:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I too have been involved greatly in the discussion that they have, and I disagree that Zer0 is harassing Nomen Nescio. Nomen has had poor tactics in getting accrossed points, and while he is looking to help, he often has not because of this. When I made Wikipedia:WOT, he edited it several times to misrepresent the issue it was discussing. I, and Zer0 as well, reverted his edits there. Nomen and Zer0 both broke the 3RR rule, and both were blocxked for 6 hours. This incident was 2 days ago (I think) and was noted by you, as an example of harassment. Yesterday Nescio didnt come on, however we reached a consensus, with the help of GTBracchus, on the issue of including the Iraq War in the War on Terrorism (no small task). As stated, he didnt come on yesterday, but today he did, and began to revert all of the edits to the articles related to the consensus. GTBracchus, and zer0 both told him to discuss the issue on a talk page, and I also asked Nomen to do this as well, rather than restart a revert war. He did not do this, though he did eventually stop reverting (he didnt exceed 3RR here). He then went back into the talk page, and brought back an old RFC that had previously been archived. Zer0faults edited the descriptions in this that were misleading of the issue, including a misrepresentations of the polls. Here, I beleive that Nomen exceed 3 reverts, reaching 4. I reverted once, because I too disagreed with his misrepresentations of the polls. I would not call this incident harassment, because we all have been working in similar areas. I think a more effective way of handling this may be to talk to Nomen, and again, try and get him back to the discussion table. If he just reverts stuff and gets into edit wars, or a war of words (calling zer0 and I zealots) it will not help anything as likely it would result in blocking. Rangeley 16:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for helping out but this seriously misrepresents the facts. First no consensus was reached, [19] second archiving an ongoing RFC is rather poor taste. Since the debate is ongoing I fail to see why comments in that debate should be deleted. Last, I only corrected you false statements regarding any previous discussion and I pointed out where people could find that discussion. All that was deleted since apparently the previous debates were off-limits. Nomen Nescio Gnothi seauton 16:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Nomen, the fact someone reverted does not mean there is no consensus. Neither he, nor you has stated any objection to the consensus [20], despite being invited frequently to. Please discuss with us if you have objections. Rangeley 17:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'd already done a CheckUser, because the sockpuppetry and editing pattern was so obvious. Unsurprisingly, the CheckUser evidence was consistent and strongly suggestive (though not 100% conclusive) with them being sockpuppets of HOTR. Jayjg (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This 3 RR report has not been addressed yet. Tnx. [21] Zeq 15:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
And given your questionable behaviour above you would be in a conflict of interest if you acted in response to Zeq's lobbying you, Felonious. Incidentally, the sockpuppet accusation you made above is wrong (Zeq just brought this to my attention)- I would like to see the IP addresses involved. I can assure you that I had no sockpuppet and I would be very surprised if the user you blocked used my IP. My ISP is the largest in Canada so it's possible we have a shared ISP but Jay doesn't even allege that. The likelihood is that the possibility Jay mentions is based on our being in the same country or same city but as there are numerous Wikipedia editors editing Arab and Israeli related articles from Toronto that is hardly a credible reason for a block.
In future you should make Checkuser requests on the Checkuser page rather than ask your friend for a favour, particularly if that friend is involved in a content dispute with the people you are requesting Checkuser for.
I suggest you lift the block on the user in question. Homey 16:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I've just noted the IP address above, 216.249.5.184 - that is not even my ISP - not even close. There is no basis for a block. Homey 16:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
If the answer for #1 is true (which means we have opportunity) and #2 (possibility) we should further at:
Given all that I would say it is Homey. can be 100% sure No. can be 99% yes. A garmatical analsis should shed more light. Zeq 16:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
intersting. check this diff [22] and then take a look at each editor that previously edited this article. Click on the user name. Zeq 16:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi FM. I saw that you removed the template from this page. I and other editors had raised NPOV concerns about the reflected in WP:CG, especially these. That's why it seemed to me that Template:Cleancat applied; I thought such templates were intended to attract discussion. Can you explain where I was mistaken? cheers, Jim Butler( talk) 18:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
You are clearly displaying a double standard. Zeq can harass me and make dubious complaints in order to persue a vendetta and you indulge him. I post a 3RR complaint hours after a warning posted on SV's page is ignored and then withdraw my complaint after I see there's been a technical glitch and you accuse me of bad faith. Homey 21:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Slim you said it must have been an accident. I was dubious of that given "edit conflict" warnings that I expected would have occured and that most people give the accident excuse- it was only after I saw that your interlocuter said he was having the same problems and when he said that he had recieved no edit conflict warnings that I agreed this was a valid excuse. In any case, you ignored my earlier warnings - did not respond or acknowledge them. Homey 18:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
"and at one point you appeared to threaten to block me yourself."
In the unlikely even that you said "Yes, you're right, go ahead and block me" I would have. As you neither said that nor accepted my offer of voluntary recusal I left it for other admins to act on the report until I saw ElC's comment that there had been no edit conflict warnings, at which point I decided to withdraw the complaint. Prior to that I believed you had just ignored edit conflict warnings in the same manner that you ignored the warning I left you earlier. Homey 18:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
SV, I want to make it clear that FM has no authority to respond to future complaints by Zeq since he is in a conflict of interest and since Zeq has shown a pattern of making specious complaints. FM's factional loyalites to Zeq and to you do not override this. I am in a conflict of interest in regards to FM so I have not blocked him for his 3RR violation but the same applies to FM so if Zeq makes any more complaints FM should leave it to other admins to respond to them. He does not have the moral authority to act as Zeq's hitman (or yours). Homey 19:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I've only just realised (from your comment on 3RR) that HotR is an admin. Weird or what. In fact I was rather doubtful that he was... till I see he has just deleted his own page. Mind you I still can't find Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HOTR William M. Connolley 22:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC) Because he used to be AndyL? can;t find that either... William M. Connolley 22:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Your most recent revet on the Fox News Channel controversies and allegations of bias is your 4th in 24 hours. Please self-revert it, or you will be reported for violating 3rr. Isarig 03:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
MusicalLinguist and PinchasC, thank you for restoring the posts I inadvertently deleted. I'm having problems at the moment with an out-of-control mouse. It keeps highlighting text either in front of or after where I set my cursor, then when I start to type, it deletes everything that's highlighted, and sometimes I don't notice. I'll try to find a way to get it fixed. It's something in my preferences probably but I can't figure it out. Sorry for vandalizing your talk page, FM. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 13:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for the length of this comment. Since our recent exchanges have been rather terse, I felt a need to explain in detail why your recent repeated reverts at intelligent design have been unreasonable.
You have reverted a number of my recent changes with the edit summary "rv all recent edits by Silence. There was only mild consensus for one single change, lack of response to proposed changes is not consent". The problem here is that by this logic, 99% of all edits on Wikipedia would need to be reverted, because even "mild consensus" is a rare thing for editors to take time to build up, especially for minor stylistic and grammatical edits like the ones I have been making.
You see, the fact that there is a lack of an elaborate consensus-determining straw poll, or something of the sort, approving my copyedits is insufficient, on its own, to justify repeatedly reverting edits which several users have endorsed and supported, and which a grand total of 0 users have thus far objected to any aspect of. In fact, even you have yet to cite a single specific problem anywhere in my recent edits to the page, and I strongly suspect, based on your correspondence thus far, that you have not taken the time to actually read most (if any) of what I actually changed to the page.
For continually reverting a large number of edits (almost to the point of edit warring at this point) to be justified, you need more justification than simply "lack of response to proposed changes is not consent"—by that logic, almost all edits that have ever been made to Wikipedia ought to be reverted, since most edits have never been explicitly responded to. The key distinction is that there needs to be some sort of problem, some flaw or error or fault, in the actual edits, or at least the assertion that there is a specific problem. Thus far, there is none whatsoever. Your reverts are based on your own silence, and your silence is based on your reverts. I have requested on numerous occasions to simply discuss the matter in a civil and productive way with you, wherever you prefer, and you have ignored or evaded all of my attempts to open up a dialogue over the copyedits I've been making (or trying to make!). I find this counterproductive. If you have an issue with the edits, then simply say why and we can talk it over. Refusing to communicate except through your repeated reverts' edit summaries is not helpful.
Incidentally, your claim that I am basing my edits on nothing but "lack of response to proposed changes" is patently false. Certainly I have gotten no objections to anything specific about my copyedits in the last 48 hours since you first reverted my edit. But I have gotten several endorsements: User:Jim62sch, despite our recent arguments, was kind enough to say on my Talk page that "Some of today's edits look pretty good. Others I need to think about." User:Kenosis has also been understanding and supportive, after we worked out the misunderstanding which led to the reverts of my copyedits earlier. User:Kasreyn specifically said "For what it's worth, I looked over your copyedits and found nothing objectionable." So I've gotten a number of neutral and positive responses, and 0 specific complaints or criticisms regarding any aspect of the recent copyedits to the text of intelligent design. You have no leg to stand upon in claiming that I have received no positive responses, I'm afraid.
If you want to discuss my changes, I recommend that you actually take the time to look at them and specifically criticize various aspects of them which you object to, rather than continuing to blindly revert them on the mistaken assumption that anything new must necessarily be worse than what's already in place. I'm fully willing to compromise on and discuss any aspect of them which you find objectionable, but I'm not going to jump through hoops for weeks to get uncontroversial, simple, everyday copyedits that noone has objected to individually approved, one comma splice and broken wikilink at a time.
WP:OWN ("You agreed to allow others to modify your work here. So let them.") is official Wikipedia policy, and I would expect as experienced, dedicated, and talented an editor as you to be more familiar with it than you've recently demonstrated. :/ - Silence 15:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This case has closed and the final decision is published at the link above.
For the arbitration committee. -- Tony Sidaway 00:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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Hello : - ) Look for an email from me. FloNight talk 17:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you didn't say that Coulter insists that intelligent design is a science, in a discussion of a chapter where she specifically doesn't do that, and where that fact is pointed out in the article.
You changed the plain meaning of a sentence that, IMHO, provides useful elaboration of the fact that, in this chapter at least, Coulter argues that evolution has aspects of a religion, without claiming that intelligent design is a science. When I wrote that sentence, I was hoping that no judgment or POV would be conveyed about either. That's why the quotes around the two words. The sentence formerly read:
Though the chapter is about evolution theory as a "religion," not about intelligent design as a "science," it ends by comparing the two:
It now reads:
While portraying evolution theory as a "religion," Coulter insists intelligent design is legitimate science:
This is a different meaning than what I intended, and it puts words in Coulter's mouth.
Unlike Coulter, I am agnostic as to evolution vs. intelligent design. I know POV when I see it, and I work hard to keep my edits POV-free. If you think that there is a POV in the sentence as originally written, I would very much like to hear why, so I can avoid such things in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lou Sander ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops! Sorry I didn't sign my comment. I returned because I noticed something more... I inserted [sic] into her quoted words because 1) it kind of disputes these guys as "scientists," and 2) though she is not claiming they are scientists in this chapter, she did use the word in this sentence. I'm pretty sure that she uses the term "creation scientists" as a generic name for these dudes, as do many other people, even those who disagree with them.
I also noticed that you've deleted the word "evolutionist" from the description of the arguments. While I can appreciate your opinion that it is a POV word, it DOES link to an article on evolution which defines the word in a NPOV way. There are disagreements between creationists and the other side about the matters enumerated in the quotation. IMHO, it's POV only to refer to them as creationist arguments. All of the enumerated matters were advanced by evolution scientists (or whatever is an acceptable word for them) long before the c.s. guys were even born. Could you accept evolutionist (with the link) as a term for those to whom Coulter was referring? Lou Sander 18:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Made changes. [25] Look for email for more discussion. FloNight talk 01:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey Felonious - it looks like something ugly happened with your last edit to Fox News Channel controversies and allegations of bias. The last part of the article was truncated. Given the heated debate I was worried it might be misinterpreted. Ucanlookitup 02:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I hadn't heard this before - I'm still laughing. [26] Banno 22:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Look, I realise that a lot of his behaviour in the past has been unacceptable, and I agree that he deserved the initial block he got. There was nothing that another week block was going to achieve, however, apart from removing any chance he might turn out to be a good editor given time. I thus told him to cool it, and gave him a chance to correct his behaviour. I really do see no benefit in continuing this current block, so I'm going to unblock once again, but I promise you that if he continues his past conduct, I will not object to a reblock. Rebecca 23:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey Felonious. Do you have any comment on why you think the newer version is a disimprovement? I'm actually quite surprised "we can write with the attitude that such-and-such is a good idea" is being defended by people given how it contradicts neutrality. I was actually anticipating an initial revert but was hoping people would offer a comment at the same time. Cheers, Marskell 15:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I've pulled your block of Giovanni33 agreed to stay away from chrisitiaity articles which appear to be the cause of the problem. Geni 15:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not about to get too involved, except to object to this "secret evidence" business. I understand your reasoning, but I think G33 has a right to question or refute the accusations being made against him, especially if this goes to arbcom. ^^James^^ 17:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to try unblocking Jerry Jones. I have been in email correspondence with him and think he might work out. Mostly we just discussed the edit warring over political labels. He maintains this edit [27] was just a error and did not intend to remove it permanently. Fred Bauder 13:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Your name came up in conversation with another admin. I like to cite sources and research articles for accuracy. I'd like your opinion, please, on the article Dissident Voice , if you have the time. Thanks. Oh by the way, please respond here. Ste4k 14:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi FeloniousMonk. I replied to your statement with another question here. Hope you don't mind replying. Thanks! Vorpal Blade snicker-snack 16:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
"Marskell's point is the same point raised time and again by pseudoscience proponents here and at the relevant articles...is exactly what we've seen in all of the proposals from that faction so far"? [28] I didn't know I was a member of a faction and if I am it's certainly has nothing to do with pseudoscience. If you recall the one time I dealt with you (an RfC) it was in an attempt to defend the place against such nonsense. You should avoid off-hand accusations. Marskell 20:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Samsara ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've made a recommendation regarding User:Giovanni33; I'd appreciate it if you would comment here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Giovanni33 again. Regards, Jayjg (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I am unblocking Jerry Jones so he can participate in the dialog at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Jerry_Jones_and_CongressRecords. Please join this conversation. Fred Bauder 11:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I have lifted the block on User:Sonofzion as the allegation of sockpuppetry against him/her is false. If you were alleging that s/he was my sockpuppet you should have contacted me (indeed, that you accused the alleged sockpuppet but not the alleged sockpuppeteer is unusual). You also should have used the checkuser request page rather than ask Jayjg who is in a conflict of interest. As it happens, the user's ip address of User:216.249.5.164 which I assume is supposed to be Sonofzion as you also blocked that user with the same accusation, is not my IP address. If you wish to reimpose the block I will not get into a wheel war over it but I advise you to follow proper procedure in the future. Homey 15:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
You did not use the user check page. Nor did you inform me that you were accusing me of sockpuppetry or were blocking an alleged sockpuppet of mine. As for my "paticipation" at User talk:Sonofzion that is several weeks after the fact and only after it was drawn to my attention by User:Zeq. Homey 16:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
"What evidence do you have that establishes that Sonofzion wasn't you? I'd like to see it"
The fact that I have never used that IP or anything close to it. The only thing you found "compelling" was Jayjg's say so so it's not legitimate to say your block had nothing to do with him, particularly since you only implemented it after he made his claim to you. Homey 16:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's my IP address. 72.60.226.29 16:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Homey 16:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Please explain how Jayjg wasn't in a conflict of interest by "interpreting" data for you on a user who had opened an RFC against him and another user he was in a content dispute with? I'm just curious what definition of conflict of interest you could possibly be using? Homey 16:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Felonious, suspicion is not fact, particularly when we're dealing with a highly contentious article drawing in lots of editors. If you were dealing with an article only a handful of people were editing that would be one thing but not with this article. Anyway, the point is probably moot since odds are the user you banned is either editing anonymously, has opened a new account or has left the project. Homey 16:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
" I never discussed the Sonofzion account with Jayjg, so you're more than a little bit off base here."
Sonofzion claimed on his/her talk page that you were acting on Jayjg's claims. Homey 16:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I just find it bizarre that if you were so sure you would ban a sockpuppet without telling the person you alleged was the sockpuppeteer. Homey 16:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
It's rather dangerous for you (or rather for Wikipedia) that you confuse having your actions questioned with "disruption". Homey 16:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
FM, I appreciate your recent work in further cleaning up the article on Intelligent design movement. ... Kenosis 05:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Copied from Arb case workshop:
I appreciate and agree with your reason for proposing this remedy. It should have been worded "Certain administrators" rather than "All involved administrators" I think. Evidence is already on the evidence page makes it clear that neither SlimVirgin or Jayjg used their admin tools in this conflict. If the logs presented by KimVanDerLinde and Zeq are to be believed, then applying this remedy to all involved administrators would be neither accurate nor appropriate is my only point. FeloniousMonk 22:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for piping to Scientific consensus, which is what mainstream scientific views are. [29] I should have looked a little harder to find that myself. I've learned about the diff tool, but searching is still hard. :-) -- Wing Nut 19:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
--Sonofzion
I agree with this: Trolls are not the same Wikipedians who give us food for thought [30]
I see with thanks that the Category:Wikipedians who give us food for thought has been speedily deleted. :-)-- Uncle Ed 18:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)